Boc the Seamster

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Location Limgrave
Role Garments Adjuster and
Quest NPC
Voiced by Calvin A. Dean

Boc the Seamster is an NPC in Elden RingBoc is a Demi-Human who is capable of advanced communication. Boc is initially met by the player in the form of a small tree.

Once you have completed Boc's questline, he appears at Graces in the Altus Plateau, and allows you to Alter equipment without paying the standard 500 rune fee. Boc does not provide any new or different alterations. 

 

Boc the Seamster, at your service.
Ready to make adjustments to your garments.

 

Boc the Seamster Location in Elden Ring

Boc the Seamster can be found in multiple locations:

  1. Boc the Seamster is first encountered east of the telescope that is south of Agheel Lake North Site of Grace in Limgrave. He is disguised as a small tree and will call out to you upon approaching. [Map Link]
  2. After meeting him the first time, Boc will move to the Coastal Cave in western Limgrave. You will find him on the ground right next to the Site of Grace. [Map Link]
    • After giving Boc the Seamster the Sewing Needle at this second location, he will be able to appear at the following remaining four locations, depending on furthest Site of Grace that the player has rested at. Resting at any of the Site of Graces listed below, will make him appear there, in ascending order. 
      • At all the following locations, he will now offer his service of altering garments.
      • At all the following locations, Boc can be given the Gold Sewing Needle, if you're carrying alterable boss armor (e.g. Radahn's Lion Armor).
  3. He can be found kneeling by the Lake-Facing Cliffs Site of Grace, north of Stormveil Castle in Liurnia of the Lakes.  You have to rest at the Lake-Facing Cliffs Site of Grace for him to appear. [Map Link]
  4. He can be found kneeling by the East Raya Lucaria Gate Site of Grace (southwest most point of the Bellum Road). You have to rest at the East Raya Lucaria Gate Site of Grace for him to appear. Map Link
  5. He can be found kneeling by the Altus Highway Junction Site of Grace in Altus Plateau. You have to rest at the Altus Highway Junction Site of Grace for him to appear. [Map Link]
  6. He can be found kneeling by the East Capital Rampart Site of Grace in Leyndell Royal Capital. You have to rest at the East Capital Rampart Site of Grace for him to appear. Map Link
  7. The questline now branches in one of three ways. You can either:
  8. After choosing the "You're Beautiful" branch, telling him he's beautiful when he asks and making progress in Leyndell, Boc relocates to the East Capital Rampart Site of Grace.

 

Boc the Seamster Questline: How to complete Boc the Seamster's Quest

First Encounter

Upon first encounter,  northwest of the Murkwater Bridge, Boc is disguised as a tree and calling for help. If you perform an attack on the tree, the spell breaks and Boc returns to its original form. He will then narrate how he was expelled from his cave and had everything he owned taken, humbly rewarding you with x10 Mushrooms, which is everything he currently has. However, he states that if you wait, he could sneak back into the cave and retrieve some of his belongings, which could make him useful to you.

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Second Encounter

The second encounter with Boc is at Coastal Cave, within a few steps into the entrance tunnel, right besides the Coastal Cave Site of Grace. He is lying on the floor as he's been beaten up when trying to recover his belongings. In order to help him you must venture inside the cave. But beware, however, as there are many Demi-Humans ahead, and these creatures tend to attack in groups.
At one point in Coastal Cave you'll reach the Demi-Humans' settlement, where you will encounter even more enemies and two Demi-Human Chief bosses. Upon defeat, these Bosses will drop Boc's belongings:

Go back to Boc The Seamster at Coastal Cave's entrance and deliver the tools to him. He will thank you and after you move, he'll no longer be at that location.

NOTE: It is also fine to defeat the Demi-Human Chiefs first and then encounter Boc by the Murkwater Bridge afterwards. Exhaust his dialogue and then return to the cave to give him the sewing materials.

 

Third Encounter

You can later find Boc The Seamster at the Lake-Facing Cliffs Site of Grace in Liurnia of the Lakes. He is glad to see you and offers to make adjustments to your garments. 

  • From now on, he will be able to alter the garments of the player.
  • Some armor pieces can be changed to an alternative design. This service is free of charge. This will lower the stats of the affected armor piece, but for the most part is cosmetic as the stat drop is generally very minor. (This function basically removes the cape from armor pieces.)

His quest can be continued if these three conditions are met:

  1. Retrieve the Gold Sewing Needle from the Church of Vows on the east side of Liurnia of the Lakes.
  2. Buy at least one piece of legendary boss armor that can be altered from Finger Reader Enia at the Roundtable Hold. Note that only demigod armor counts as "legendary", so armor such as Briar Armor won't work despite being alterable and sold by Enia. 
  3. You have spoken to Melina about Boc at the East Raya Lucaria Gate Site of Grace.

This enables the option to give him the Gold Sewing Needle, which makes it possible to alter legendary armor as well. If you do not have the option to give him the gold sewing needle then, either:

  1. You do not have the Gold Sewing Needle in your inventory
  2. You do not have legendary armor that can be altered in your inventory. Remember, like all the other (non-boss) armor found in the game, not all of it can be altered. Same rule applies to Boc and the gold needle. In addition, only armor worn by demigods is considered legendary.

NOTE: You can skip seeing him here and still find him at later at different locations, depending on progress.

 

Fourth Encounter

Boc will leave the Lake-Facing Site of Grace after Accessing Raya Lucaria Academy and move to the East Raya Lucaria Gate Site of Grace. After speaking with him here and resting at the Site of Grace, you will then have the option to speak with Melina, who will remark on Boc.

NOTE: You can skip seeing him here and still find him at later at different locations, depending on progress.

 

Fifth Encounter

He can be found at Altus Plateau at the Altus Highway Junction Site of Grace.

NOTE: You can skip seeing him here and still find him at later at different locations, depending on progress.

 

Sixth Encounter

He can be found at Altus Plateau next to the East Capital Ramparts Site of Grace.

If not done at this point, this is the last location Boc the Seamster will appear and stay at, until giving him the Gold Sewing Needle.

If he now (or at any other possible location before) received the Gold Sewing Needle, his quest will continue and he will remark about his ugly appeareance and asks your opinion on it. He will imply his desire to be rebirthed by Rennala.

You have different choices how to proceed:

  • You can give him a Larval Tear, and upon resting, he will move next to Rennala. He will be reborn into a human form, and he will not respond when talked to. If you rest again, he will die.
  • Alternatively, you can perform the "You're Beautiful" Prattling Pate in front of him (found in Hermit Village at Mt.Gelmir), then discuss it.
  • Using the Prattling Pate in front of him removes the option to give him a Larval Tear. Choose either to give him a Larval Tear OR use the Prattling Pate.

Dialogue in Elden Ring: Boc The Seamster

Introduction

  • "Oi! You there! Could you help us out, cully?
    You, yeah, you there! Stop pretending you can't see me".
  • "Why won't anyone look me in the eye?
    I'm not that ugly".

If attacking the tree in which Boc was turned into

  • "Ow! What'd you go and do that for!
    Hm? Oh, yes, I remember. Some clod turned me into a tree.
    You were just breaking the spell, weren't you.
    Thank you. The name's Boc.
    I was pushed out of the cave. Told not to come back, not ever.
    Then I ended up as a tree.
    Lucky you came along, really.
    Boc the seamster, at your service, Master".
  • "Oh, what a shame.
    When they threw me out of the cave, they took everything I owned, and so this is all I have to express my thanks.
    I hope you can forgive me".
    [Hands over x10 Mushroom]
  • "Or, if you can afford to wait for a while, I could sneak back into the cave, and bring back something of actual value.
    Then I'd be of some real use to you, I reckon".
  • "Right, but I'll need a moment.
    I-I'm frightened of them... So I have to gather myself.
    My knees start knockin'...just thinking bout that god-awful cave on the shore".

At Coastal Cave

  • "Oh... It...hurts..."
  • "Oh, what are you doing here?
    You must leave this place at once. They'll rush in and beat you to a pulp.
    You'll end up just like me".

Visit

  • "Boc the Seamster, at your service.
    Ready to make adjustments to your garments".

Giving the Sewing Needle

  • "Wait, is that what I think it is? You got it back for me? My sewing needle!
    What made you go and do a thing like that....
    My mum was a seamstress...and that sewing kit was all I had to remember her by.
    I always wanted to be just like sweet old Mum.  Then, I suppose I-I can't just curl up and die, can I?"

After receiving the Sewing Needle

  • "Thank you. You're very kind".

At Lake-Facing Cliffs Site of Grace

  • "Good to see you! Master. Do you remember me? Boc, the demi-human. You helped me before, and retrieved my sewing needle.
    Please, master. Allow me to serve you, as your seamster. I can't make nothing from scratch, but...
    I'm happy to make adjustments to your garments".
    • [Don't tell me...]
      • "Master, I was wondering... Do you ever...make adjustments to your garb yourself? I would, well, rather you let me do the job when possible, please. I don't ask anything in return, you know, and, well... I am your personal seamster, after all!".

Did you see it? At East Capital Rampart

  • "Master, did  you see it? Th-the Erdtree? I, oh, I don't really have the words for this...But I was so dazzled, I felt something stir, in my breast. The Erdtree is waiting for you, Master. I know it, I do. I feel it in my bones". 

Leaving

  • "Oh, going so soon? Please, do be safe on your journey".

I'm sorry...

  • "Your wardrobe includes the garb of old demigods, and I'm afraid I can't make adjustments to them.
    My mum told me once. That a royal seamster would do them up in a jiffy.
    Just wait, master. Before long, I'll be that good, too!"

After receiving the Gold Sewing Needle

  • "Thank you kindly. But what on earth could it... Oh!
    Amazing! I've never seen a golden needle, not in all my life! With a spectacular royal crest, to boot...

    Are you certain that this is for me? Oh, I can hardly believe it.
    Have faith in me, Master! I'll polish my craft enough that I deserve this golden gift!
    I'll be the golden seamster, Boc! Now I'll be able to sew anything, even the threads of the demigods!"

I have a favor to ask

  • "Would you mind if I called you lord? I heard that you and the other Tarnished seek the throne of the Elden Lord.
    Well, I know that you will be the one, and you'd make just the manner of kind hearted lord that I'd wish for.
    So, please, if you would. Allow me to call you lord."
  • (If you say yes): "M'lord, m'lord, m'lord! Please become Elden Lord.
    And please, let I, Boc the seamster, remain at your side."
    [You receive the "My Lord" Gesture]

Surely she'd be happy for you?

  • "That I'm as good as any royal seamster, now. Oh, it's still not enough.
    I need to learn how to sew from scratch, like her."

Have you ever thought so?

  • "Well, they say that Rennala of Raya Lucaria has the power to help people be reborn.
    Oh? Me? Reborn? Oh, look at me. When you're this ugly... well being reborn? It would hardly make a difference, I'm afraid."

What do you really think?

  • "In all honesty, what do you think of me? Am I fit to serve a lord such as you, in all my ugliness?
    Must I be reborn, no matter what ill fate awaits me?
    Oh, I'm such a fool. I don't even have answers to the simplest of questions"

After receiving a Larval Tear

  • "Oh! Oh! It can't be... For my rebirth? But these are precious, are you certain that it's for me?
    Oh... M'lord how did you know? It was my only wish, that I might honour you with a decent appearance."

Please wait

  • "I'm off to see Rennala of Raya Lucaria. I'll be reborn, fresh and new."

After hearing the Prattling Pate "You're Beautiful"

  • "Thank you very much. Mum was always the only one who said I was beautiful.
    And now, my dear lord let me hear her voice. Please, if I may dream, just once...
    Do you feel the same way my mum did m'lord? Do you think I'm beautiful, despite these looks?"
  • (If you say yes): "M'lord, my dear lord...
    I, Boc the seamster, am forever in your service. May the throne of Elden Lord be yours."

When attacked

  • (Before starting his quest) "Mum... I've... I've let you down"
  • (Warning) "Ow! M-m'lord? Is something wrong? It's me! Boc, the seamster!"
  • (Combat) "Oh, my... M'lord, is that the truth, your heart of hearts? My, oh my... Ah... aaah!"
  • (On player kill) "M'lord... What have I done?"

Upon defeat

  • "M'lord... I've failed you... please, forgive me."

 

Elden Ring Notes & Trivia for Boc

  • Voiced by Actor Calvin A. Dean
  • Boc was featured in the Elden Ring Network Test at the same location.
  • Boc can be killed with one hit. Once killed, Boc will not respawn, even after using Celestial Dew.
  • Despite Boc's questline involving you turning over the Sewing Needle and Tailoring Tools, you are still able to perform alterations at any Site of Grace, as the Tailoring Tools will stay in your inventory. Boc will offer the same services, simply as an alternative.
    • The advantage of alterations done by Boc over a Site of Grace is that Boc will not charge you for altering clothing. Using the Tailoring Tools at a site of grace will cost Runes each time an alteration is made.
  • Once you obtain a demi-god armor set, you can ask Boc why he does not offer altering demi-god's garments with the "I'm sorry..." option. He will then provide input as to why he doesn't alter those garments due to what his mother used to tell him, and that maybe he may become good enough to do so someday.
  • Thanks to the latest Patch, he is easier to find in Limgrave, now that his voice triggers from a farther distance from before. An Arteria Leaf was also placed near him to lure players to hear him.

 

 

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    • Anonymous

      I found the "you are beautiful" thingy and when he appeared in the Altus Highway Junction site of grace and rested there, I have the option to "talk to Melina". There she told me that Boc misses his mother and wishing for someone to tell him he is beautiful. After that I played it for him and i had the dialogue where he asks me if i think he is beautiful, choose yes, and he swore loyalty to me right there. I dont know how this will affect when he appears in Lyndell but i think this will skip to that ending right away.

      • Players usually grow fond of NPCs they can relate to. Here you have Boc the Beta with a testosterone count of 3 on a good day and he's Reddit's favorite NPC. Not a coincidence.

        • Literally the only NPC who never does anything even questionable morally. The only pure soul in the lands between. Protect him at all costs.

          • Anonymous

            Anyone else think it's weird how Blaidd and Boc have the most normal sounding voices ever. Like they could've have put more gnarls or werewolfy sounds in there. I just can't see either of their voices coming out of their faces, especially when Demihumans screech, don't speak and act like animals in combat. I think they're good voice actors and all, and maybe it's nit picky, but it just weirds me out a bit.

            • Anonymous

              Boc doesn't seem to disappear anymore after telling him he's beautiful on the newest patch, just beat Elden Beast and he's still by the East Rampart grace.

              • Anonymous

                So, this NPC is basically useless given the minor cost of altering your own equipment (And the lack of need to alter equipment frequently, especially given how limited alterations are being nearly exclusively "Remove the cloak from a chest piece")

                His quest also offers just a gesture.

                However, as an NPC, he presents some interesting thoughts.

                Firstly, he gives creedence to Kenneth Haight. Kenneth's ideology of befriending the Demi-Humans seems less dumb when there are Demi-Humans like Boc whom seemingly possess greater intelligence than "Unga bunga". It's possible that more intelligent Demi-Humans exist that live in seclusion from the more savage ones we oft encounter throughout the Lands Between (Either because they get ostracized or because they simply want to do things other than unga bunga)

                Secondly, his reference to his mom as a seamstress suggests that perhaps there are more female Demi-Humans than just the Queens. Which would of course be a significant change to their societal structure than would otherwise be indicated. This also seems to suggest that intelligence is hereditary if his mother possessed the intelligence to utilize (And potentially even make) sewing needles and design clothing (Boc's hat was probably made by her for example)

                Thirdly, his demeanor of calling the player "Master" and "M' Lord" as well as his reference to "Royal Seamsters" suggests that intelligent Demi-Humans used to be employed by Lords to make clothing. Suggesting they were at one point accepted by society (At some level, they could have still been slaves... Though that they were allowed to talk meant they weren't treated as harshly as they could have).

                Fourthly, it would seem that Raya Lucaria is indifferent about Demi-Humans. Seeing as Boc is able to get an audience with Rennala. Of course her acceptance of him can be attributed to how far gone her mind is, however Boc did have to make it to the Grand Library in the first place. Which would mean that either all the Cuckoo soldiers and Scholars didn't care about a Demi-Human or Boc is extremely proficient at stealth (Which is also a possibility as he likely would try to hide from his savage bretheren lest he get beaten up/killed like in Coastal Cave)

                • Anonymous

                  the quest guide MISSING A STEP: it is not enough to buy a legendary armour, YOU NEED TO EQUIP THAT TOO !! Someone with a permission please edit the wiki

                  • Anonymous

                    Last few steps can be done a little out of order. I just did the following:
                    1. Played "You're Beautiful" prattling pate
                    2. Went through dialogue telling him he's beautiful
                    3. Bought demigod armor from Enia to unlock Gold Sewing Needle progression
                    4. Gave him the Gold Sewing Needle
                    5. Went through the last couple bits of dialogue to get the "My Lord" gesture

                    • Anonymous

                      What happens when you respond with "Not at all" when he asks you if he's beautiful after using the prattling pate

                      • Anonymous

                        Boc sucks. Weak little NPC groveling for praise, and yet does absolutely nothing useful (Alter Garments being the dumbest subsystem in the game). I hate this dude and prefer him as a tree.

                        • Anonymous

                          i wish this little monkey guy would end up in roundtable hold at the end. or at the church of vows with muriel

                          • Anonymous

                            So I've made a mark on his location before lyndell turns into ashen capital to make sure I didn't forget.
                            He was still there in the ashen capital castle, and the site of grace would be reloaded (you can touch the grace again). But after defeating Godfrey, he was nowhere to be found. I kinda wished he went to the roundtable hold.

                            • Anonymous

                              If you attack him after receiving his mushrooms but before proceeding with his quest in any other way, he says "you too, is it? The story of my rotten life." If he defeats you, he says "No... I never wanted this..."

                              • Anonymous

                                Tried completing his quest without killing Renalla to see if he could be properly rebirthed. (She would still have the geat rune.)

                                He does not move from the East Raya Lucaria Gate grace point. Figured I would share.

                                • Anonymous

                                  You need to have the chest armor to proceed here, not clear. I also did not receive the gesture despite doing all steps at each location. Great game.

                                  • Anonymous

                                    i wish that you could eventually guide boc to the haligtree, and find him there, maybe interacting with misbegotten or something. something to fully finish and tie the quest over.

                                    • This game is so very dumb sometimes. I never gave Boc a larval tear and hadn't get found the "You're Beautiful" Prattling Pate, but was wrapping up Sellen's questline. While doing this, I found him dead at the doors of the Raya Lucaria Grand Library. It doesn't make sense that he'd be dead because he didn't have a larval tear. Screw you, devs.

                                      • Anonymous

                                        whoops kind of wish i checked here first, that was dumb of me. If i had remembered the whole needing the great rune to be reborn thing i wouldn't have sent him

                                        • Anonymous

                                          I didn't do his quest at the beginning and now that I am post-game, I cannot find him in Limgrave. Let this be a warning :(.

                                          • Anonymous

                                            I didn't do his quest at the beginning and now that I am post-game, I cannot find him in Limgrave. Let this be a warning :(.

                                            • Anonymous

                                              I didn't do his quest at the beginning and now that I am post-game, I cannot find him in Limgrave. Let this be a warning :(.

                                              • Anonymous

                                                Alter Garments is the most useless "subsystem" in the game. Half of the time the armor can't be altered, and if it is, it typically loses functionality purely for aesthetics. Well, what's the point of that?

                                                • Anonymous

                                                  It was only after I gave him the Larval Tear that I remembered rebirth is imperfect without Rennala's rune. I never picked up the Prattling Pate, so I didn't know there was another option. I'm so sorry Boc...

                                                  • Anonymous

                                                    I can't find him, I've checked every site of grace, all I can think of is that he won't appear at the east capital ramparts because I've defeated Maliketh, and that he doesn't show up at the Ashen Leyndell Capital and is stuck at the old Leyndell Capital. If someone could confirm or deny this then that'd be great, even better if you could provide a solution

                                                    • Anonymous

                                                      I gave him the Larval Tear and jokingly thought he was now going to get killed in some way, because all the NPC's are dropping like flies. I'm an idiot, I never learn.

                                                      • Anonymous

                                                        I had him sitting at the east capital rampant used the your beautiful prattling prate and he said he will serve me for ever he was there after I killed the elden beast then I went to the 3 fingers and took the frenzy flame thing and he disappeared so it seems inheriting the frenzy flame at all makes him disappear I still have not chosen as ending yet

                                                        • Anonymous

                                                          anyone know how to trigger the move from the East Raya Lucaria gates to Altus Plateau? He hasn't moved yet and I've already explored like half of Altus and Mt. Gelmir. Also the Melina dialogue never came up for me.

                                                          • Anonymous

                                                            I gave him the gold needle at east capital ramparts without having the prattling prat item, so based on this page I thought he was doomed. But after noticing he was still at the same spot after a few rests, I ran to Mt. Gelmir to pick up the item and finished his questline with the good ending (before killing Morgott). Now me and him just Bing Chilling next to the burned Erdtree.

                                                            • Anonymous

                                                              What's his hat? I saw some enemies wear it and now I want it. But what's it called? And wear can I grind it?

                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                "At all the following locations, Boc can be given the Gold Sewing Needle, if you're carrying alterable boss armor (e.g. Radahn's Lion Armor)."

                                                                You can only give him the golden needle to him after meeting with him for the second time at any of the graces, but not the first time/immediately

                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                  Don't give him the needle just use it yourself at the grace site. it's not free this way but it saves you the hassle of trying to chase him down across the map.

                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                    Gave him the tear, and instead of resting I went to rennella and rested there (which he was already there I just didn't know.) I said he was beautiful, nothing happened. rested, he killed himself. So yeah, NG+ rest after you give him the tear. THEN go to renalla, do not rest, and try it that way. I haven't tested it yet/

                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                      After getting the dialogue option "What do you really think?" and not giving him a Larval Tear or showing him the "You're Beautiful" Prattling Pate, Boc has disappeared from the East Capital Rampart Site of Grace (checked both morning and night just in case he got sleepy) and isn't at any of his previous locations :(

                                                                      NG+, Redahn/Rennala/Rykard defeated, fed Hyetta grapes until she decided to hide in a cellar, Nepheli questline done, Warrior Jar Alexander sitting in a volcano, Ranni's questline up to Baleful Shadow, Dung Eater waiting to invade me, Millicent waiting at Grand Lift of Rold (not sure if any of it is relevant).

                                                                      Was hoping to boost his confidence, and I haven't gone past the Forbidden Lands Site of Grace yet, so hopefully he turns up later...

                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                        "Children Reborn by Renalla are all frail and short-lived. imperfect beings, each and all."
                                                                        From the description on the Great Rune of the Unborn you get from Renalla, and it explains why Boc dies after being reborn.

                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                          Suddenly dead outside the library, no larval tear, makes no sense. Just supposed to make me feel guilty? Don't really get his whole character or questline, feels like he's just there as an excuse to give a tragic ending to a helpless character. Smells like GRRM writing.

                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                            I used the Prattling Pate and seemingly finished his questline so that he would stay, but after completing Farum Azula and talking to him in the Ashen Capital, he disappeared from the East Capital Rampart. I didn't give him the tear, and I'm pretty certain nothing killed him when I last saw him, so I have no idea what happened to him.

                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                              So I never did this quest and only ever interacted with Boc once after Googling what to do about the talking shrub. The wiki makes it seem as though acquiring these items and doing Boc's quest is a prerequisite for item alteration when that is simply not true. Upon obtaining the golden sewing needle from the Church of Vows you can alter ANY (not just demigod sets) items that can be altered at any Site of Grace. I don't know if this wasn't the case in the Beta or what but the entire thing is very misleading and ought to be fixed.

                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                I had no idea about using the prattling plate, reload the map and found him dead on the ground. Wtf bro dont die on me like that :(

                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                  Just wanna point out you can definitely say "You're beautiful" before he gets to Rennala! I said it to him at Leyndell and he said the same dialogue.

                                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                                    You can use the prattling pate at any point after spawning him at Lake Facing Cliffs and he'll respond with the dialogue about his mother, no need to wait for him to open up about his insecurities.

                                                                                    And for the people complaining he dies after rebirth; you have the rune needed to perfect rebirth, of course Boc dies when Renalla remakes him without it! Kinda obvious what will happen there...

                                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                                      I don’t think the Prattling Pate thing is the end of his questline. It would be too weird for it to end with no payoff whatsoever. Even his tailoring is completely useless.
                                                                                      I think the next stage just hasn’t been figured out yet.

                                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                                        I was standing around the East Capitol Rampart point is Grace drop the controller Asher horse kill hit him didn’t even know he was there to begin with TV was on mute and I look at to see what appeared to be a gremlin on…steramethamphetaroids swoopin around like a spider monkey…yea..he dead now. Thankfully he’s not a important npc

                                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                                          LATE GAME PROBLEMS (and solutions).
                                                                                          I had some problems during this questline because I came back to it almost late game, so here some advices:

                                                                                          1) After the encounter at the Coastal Cave you may have trouble making him appear at his future locations. After you teleport to the Site of Grace where you want him to appear you have to REST at the Site. Don't bother search for him because he is in close proximity of the Site, kneeling.
                                                                                          NOTE: after you rest at a Site of Grace he won't appear at all his previous locations, it works like a checkpoint (Ex. resting at Altus Junction will prevent him from appearing at Lake Facing Cliffs and East Academy Gate)

                                                                                          Basically after the encounter at the Coastal Cave you can jump directly to the East Capital Rampart Site of Grace and finish there his questline.

                                                                                          2) In order to give him the Golden Needle you have to have an UNALTERED DEMIGOD ARMOR in your inventory. I had an the altered chest piece of Radahn and it didn't work until I unaltered it at a Site of Grace.

                                                                                          NOTE #1: I was wearing the armor, I don't know if it's necessary, I think having it in the inventory is sufficient.
                                                                                          NOTE #2: Before unaltering Radahn's armor I bought Rennala's Robe and the chest piece of the boss in Leyndell (I don't want to spoiler). Neither of them triggered the possibility of giving him the Golden Needle, I think because they might not be alterable, so Radahn's Chest piece is the best option.

                                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                                            so he doesn't give anything at the end of his quest and you end up wasting a larval tear? yeah think imma kill this little ****

                                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                                              If he could perform the alterations without losing armor attributes then he wouldn't be such a waste of code.

                                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                                For people wondering why the larval tear route ends the questline, my thought is that WE, the PC, have the rune to perfect rebirth after defeating Rennala. By the time he goes there, she doesn't have that anymore.

                                                                                                Not that she was great at it before us anyway, she was making those weird half-people that surround her during her boss fight LOL

                                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                                  I used the "You're Beautiful" Prattling Pate a nd everything went "according to plan". However, after the little fire incident in the captial, I found some more Prattling Pates and tried to demonstrate them (Especially "my beloved" :-) ). No reaction, but after I visited Godfrey, Boc is gone and I can't find him any longer. Tried the former points where I found him, and the academy. But no luck so for. Anybody found him again?

                                                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                                                    Why don't we have a dialogue when he's at Raya Lucaria after we gave him a Larval Tear ? Why is he suddenly dead now ?
                                                                                                    This game has so much unanswered question it's so frustrating.

                                                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                                                      I gave Boc the Larval Tear, then used the "You're Beautiful" prattling Prate before resting at the SoG. It seems this nullified giving him the Larval Tear, as after resting, fast traveling to Rennala and back, he didn't move to get reborn.

                                                                                                      Boc remains my devoted follower

                                                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                                                        Why did he die exactly? Suicide? Did he make himself too beautiful and couldn't bear it? I don't get it man, he just fell over for no apparent reason. I'd maybe feel guilty if I knew what even happened, this way it just seems stupid.

                                                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                                                          The ending of the quest seemed broken to me. I did all the things I needed, got him to easy capital rampart, got the prattling pate, gave him a larval tear, and he did move to Renalla, but he didn’t react when I used the prattling pate, nor did his dialogue change from “…”. Then, when I rested, he was fallen over and I can’t interact with him anymore. Did I do something wrong? Is is because Sellen in her transformed form is here?

                                                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                                                            If you used the "You're Beautiful" thing, never gave him the larval tear, and killed Maliketh, he just disappeared from his spot even after i re-activated the East Rampart grace. Not sure if it's a bug or it's intended and he is now dead : (

                                                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                                                              Boc, you weak and pathetic loser, all you do is plead and beg and cry like the stupid monkey that you are. Not only that but you disguise yourself as a bush and make annoying demands and all I get is a bunch of mushrooms. Not worth the larval tear, you can go meet your mother in the afterlife. Later loser.

                                                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                                                Boc, you weak and pathetic loser, all you do is plead and beg and cry like the stupid monkey that you are. Not only that but you disguise yourself as a bush and make annoying demands and all I get is a bunch of mushrooms. Not worth the larval tear, you can go meet your mother in the afterlife. Later loser.

                                                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                                                  Boc seems to oddly go missing if you burn the Capital; Trigger seems to be some amount of progression AFTER Leyndell's redecoration... He can still be found at the Site of Grace where you can originally find him in Leyndell but it seems there's some kind of trigger that causes him to disappear, forever and with no drop or body.

                                                                                                                  I miss my Boc. I want him back.

                                                                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                                                                    Where does he go after you beat the last boss?

                                                                                                                    He doesn't appear for me at the East Capital Rampart anymore.

                                                                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                                                                      I couldn't in my right mind let this masterwork of a creature die or change, Box you are the lord of seamstresses and all shall bow to you once I'm lord

                                                                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                                                                        if you talk to Melina at atlus plateu (before or after telling boc he is beautiful) she will you about seeinc boc crying and calling for his mother asking to be called beautiful. She says a few more things but that's the main "hint" she gives you about boc and using "your beautiful" item on him.

                                                                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                                                                          Didn't meet him during my first playthrough. Got the needle though. Seems he's not in any of the locations listed.

                                                                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                                                                            I just wish alterations were more extensive than just “remove cape and lose armor stats”. Or if you got more alteration options w/ Boc. Even just being able to change the color or print design of a “cape” would make Boc seem more special

                                                                                                                            • I was able to trigger the Prattling Pate "You're Beautiful" as early as lake-facing cliffs grace. That is only if you have the Pate by then which is most likely only possible with NG+ otherwise by the time you"ve found it, he may have moved.

                                                                                                                              He didnt react early to it earlier than this.

                                                                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                                                                So I told boc he's beautiful and completed his quest but after completing the game he's gone I think it may have something to do with either the frenzy flame or the endings chosen because it seems different for everyone and there's 6 endings so maybe the endings that cause death kills boc as a result? So far fia's ending and frenzy flame ending killed him(or made him disappear) after telling him he's beautiful at the end of the game

                                                                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                                                                  You don't need to have acess to the capital to get him at the prawling pate route, just use it in front of him in his Altus Plateau location is enough

                                                                                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                                                                                    I didn't meet him at every location, but he was at the East Capital Rampart right up until Gideon was killed, now he's disappeared. YMMV

                                                                                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                                                                                      Very strange. After Maliketh, he was still at the East Capital Rampart for me, but after the Elden Beast he's nowhere to be found.

                                                                                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                                                                                        Note that it's not enough to have a legendary armor that can be altered. It has to be a legendary armor that *has not* been altered, regardless that it's still alterable and Boc could alter it back. You have to alter it back to its default state yourself. Then the option will appear to give him the gold needle.

                                                                                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                                                                                          I was surprised to find him alive after burning the tree, thought he disappeared after that. Turns out he's still here to call me lord and change garments permanently.

                                                                                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                                                                                            So uh, do you actually get anything out of this quest? Like, an ancient smithing stone or something? Armor, a weapon, an item maybe?

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