Boc the Seamster

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Location Limgrave
Role Garments Adjuster and
Quest NPC
Voiced by Calvin A. Dean

Boc the Seamster is an NPC in Elden RingBoc is a Demi-Human who is capable of advanced communication. Boc is initially met by the player in the form of a small tree.

Once you have completed Boc's questline, he appears at Graces in the Altus Plateau, and allows you to Alter equipment without paying the standard 500 rune fee. Boc does not provide any new or different alterations. 


Boc the Seamster, at your service.
Ready to make adjustments to your garments.


Boc the Seamster Location in Elden Ring

Boc the Seamster can be found in multiple locations:

  1. Boc the Seamster is first encountered east of the telescope that is south of Agheel Lake North Site of Grace in Limgrave. He is disguised as a small tree and will call out to you upon approaching. [Map Link]
  2. After meeting him the first time, Boc will move to the Coastal Cave in western Limgrave. You will find him on the ground right next to the Site of Grace. [Map Link]
    • After giving Boc the Seamster the Sewing Needle at this second location, he will be able to appear at the following remaining four locations, depending on furthest Site of Grace that the player has rested at. Resting at any of the Site of Graces listed below, will make him appear there, in ascending order. 
      • At all the following locations, he will now offer his service of altering garments.
      • At all the following locations except Lake-Facing Cliffs, Boc can be given the Gold Sewing Needle, if you're carrying alterable boss armor (e.g. Radahn's Lion Armor).
  3. He can be found kneeling by the Lake-Facing Cliffs Site of Grace, north of Stormveil Castle in Liurnia of the Lakes.  You have to rest at the Lake-Facing Cliffs Site of Grace for him to appear. [Map Link]
  4. He can be found kneeling by the East Raya Lucaria Gate Site of Grace (southwest most point of the Bellum Road). You have to rest at the East Raya Lucaria Gate Site of Grace for him to appear. Map Link
  5. He can be found kneeling by the Altus Highway Junction Site of Grace in Altus Plateau. You have to rest at the Altus Highway Junction Site of Grace for him to appear. [Map Link]
  6. He can be found kneeling by the East Capital Rampart Site of Grace in Leyndell Royal Capital. You have to rest at the East Capital Rampart Site of Grace for him to appear. Map Link
  7. The questline now branches in one of three ways. You can either:
  8. After choosing the "You're Beautiful" branch, telling him he's beautiful when he asks and making progress in Leyndell, Boc relocates to the East Capital Rampart Site of Grace.


Boc the Seamster Questline: How to complete Boc the Seamster's Quest

First Encounter

Upon first encounter,  northwest of the Murkwater Bridge, Boc is disguised as a tree and calling for help. If you perform an attack on the tree, the spell breaks and Boc returns to its original form. He will then narrate how he was expelled from his cave and had everything he owned taken, humbly rewarding you with x10 Mushrooms, which is everything he currently has. However, he states that if you wait, he could sneak back into the cave and retrieve some of his belongings, which could make him useful to you.

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Second Encounter

The second encounter with Boc is at Coastal Cave, within a few steps into the entrance tunnel, right besides the Coastal Cave Site of Grace. [Map Link] He is lying on the floor as he's been beaten up when trying to recover his belongings. In order to help him you must venture inside the cave. But beware, however, as there are many Demi-Humans ahead, and these creatures tend to attack in groups.
At one point in Coastal Cave you'll reach the Demi-Humans' settlement, where you will encounter even more enemies and two Demi-Human Chief bosses. Upon defeat, these Bosses will drop Boc's belongings:

Go back to Boc The Seamster at Coastal Cave's entrance and deliver the tools to him. He will thank you and after you move, he'll no longer be at that location.

NOTE: It is also fine to defeat the Demi-Human Chiefs first and then encounter Boc by the Murkwater Bridge afterwards. Exhaust his dialogue and then return to the cave to give him the sewing materials.


Third Encounter

You can later find Boc The Seamster at the Lake-Facing Cliffs Site of Grace in Liurnia of the Lakes. He is glad to see you and offers to make adjustments to your garments. 

  • From now on, he will be able to alter the garments of the player.
  • Some armor pieces can be changed to an alternative design. This service is free of charge. This will lower the stats of the affected armor piece, but for the most part is cosmetic as the stat drop is generally very minor. (This function basically removes the cape from armor pieces.)

His quest can be continued if these three conditions are met:

  1. Retrieve the Gold Sewing Needle from the Church of Vows on the east side of Liurnia of the Lakes.
  2. Buy at least one piece of legendary boss armor that can be altered from Finger Reader Enia at the Roundtable Hold. Note that only demigod armor counts as "legendary", so armor such as Briar Armor won't work despite being alterable and sold by Enia. 
  3. You have spoken to Melina about Boc at the East Raya Lucaria Gate Site of Grace.

This enables the option to give him the Gold Sewing Needle, which makes it possible to alter legendary armor as well. If you do not have the option to give him the gold sewing needle then, either:

  1. You do not have the Gold Sewing Needle in your inventory
  2. You do not have legendary armor that can be altered in your inventory. Remember, like all the other (non-boss) armor found in the game, not all of it can be altered. Same rule applies to Boc and the gold needle. In addition, only armor worn by demigods is considered legendary.

NOTE: You can skip seeing him here and still find him at later at different locations, depending on progress.


Fourth Encounter

Boc will leave the Lake-Facing Site of Grace after Accessing Raya Lucaria Academy and move to the East Raya Lucaria Gate Site of Grace. After speaking with him here and resting at the Site of Grace, you will then have the option to speak with Melina, who will remark on Boc.

NOTE: You can skip seeing him here and still find him at later at different locations, depending on progress.


Fifth Encounter

He can be found at Altus Plateau at the Altus Highway Junction Site of Grace.

NOTE: You can skip seeing him here and still find him at later at different locations, depending on progress.


Sixth Encounter

He can be found at Altus Plateau next to the East Capital Ramparts Site of Grace.

If not done at this point, this is the last location Boc the Seamster will appear and stay at, until giving him the Gold Sewing Needle.

If he now (or at any other possible location before) received the Gold Sewing Needle, his quest will continue and he will remark about his ugly appeareance and asks your opinion on it. He will imply his desire to be rebirthed by Rennala.

You have different choices how to proceed:

  • You can give him a Larval Tear, and upon resting, he will move next to Rennala. He will be reborn into a human form, and he will not respond when talked to. If you rest again, he will die.
  • Alternatively, you can perform the "You're Beautiful" Prattling Pate in front of him (found in Hermit Village at Mt.Gelmir), then discuss it.
  • Using the Prattling Pate in front of him removes the option to give him a Larval Tear. Choose either to give him a Larval Tear OR use the Prattling Pate.

Dialogue in Elden Ring: Boc The Seamster


  • "Oi! You there! Could you help us out, cully?
    You, yeah, you there! Stop pretending you can't see me".
  • "Why won't anyone look me in the eye?
    I'm not that ugly".

If attacking the tree in which Boc was turned into

  • "Ow! What'd you go and do that for!
    Hm? Oh, yes, I remember. Some clod turned me into a tree.
    You were just breaking the spell, weren't you.
    Thank you. The name's Boc.
    I was pushed out of the cave. Told not to come back, not ever.
    Then I ended up as a tree.
    Lucky you came along, really.
    Boc the seamster, at your service, Master".
  • "Oh, what a shame.
    When they threw me out of the cave, they took everything I owned, and so this is all I have to express my thanks.
    I hope you can forgive me".
    [Hands over x10 Mushroom]
  • "Or, if you can afford to wait for a while, I could sneak back into the cave, and bring back something of actual value.
    Then I'd be of some real use to you, I reckon".
  • "Right, but I'll need a moment.
    I-I'm frightened of them... So I have to gather myself.
    My knees start knockin'...just thinking bout that god-awful cave on the shore".

At Coastal Cave

  • "Oh... It...hurts..."
  • "Oh, what are you doing here?
    You must leave this place at once. They'll rush in and beat you to a pulp.
    You'll end up just like me".


  • "Boc the Seamster, at your service.
    Ready to make adjustments to your garments".

Giving the Sewing Needle

  • "Wait, is that what I think it is? You got it back for me? My sewing needle!
    What made you go and do a thing like that....
    My mum was a seamstress...and that sewing kit was all I had to remember her by.
    I always wanted to be just like sweet old Mum.  Then, I suppose I-I can't just curl up and die, can I?"

After receiving the Sewing Needle

  • "Thank you. You're very kind".

At Lake-Facing Cliffs Site of Grace

  • "Good to see you! Master. Do you remember me? Boc, the demi-human. You helped me before, and retrieved my sewing needle.
    Please, master. Allow me to serve you, as your seamster. I can't make nothing from scratch, but...
    I'm happy to make adjustments to your garments".
    • [Don't tell me...]
      • "Master, I was wondering... Do you ever...make adjustments to your garb yourself? I would, well, rather you let me do the job when possible, please. I don't ask anything in return, you know, and, well... I am your personal seamster, after all!".

Did you see it? At East Capital Rampart

  • "Master, did  you see it? Th-the Erdtree? I, oh, I don't really have the words for this...But I was so dazzled, I felt something stir, in my breast. The Erdtree is waiting for you, Master. I know it, I do. I feel it in my bones". 


  • "Oh, going so soon? Please, do be safe on your journey".

I'm sorry...

  • "Your wardrobe includes the garb of old demigods, and I'm afraid I can't make adjustments to them.
    My mum told me once. That a royal seamster would do them up in a jiffy.
    Just wait, master. Before long, I'll be that good, too!"

After receiving the Gold Sewing Needle

  • "Thank you kindly. But what on earth could it... Oh!
    Amazing! I've never seen a golden needle, not in all my life! With a spectacular royal crest, to boot...

    Are you certain that this is for me? Oh, I can hardly believe it.
    Have faith in me, Master! I'll polish my craft enough that I deserve this golden gift!
    I'll be the golden seamster, Boc! Now I'll be able to sew anything, even the threads of the demigods!"

I have a favor to ask

  • "Would you mind if I called you lord? I heard that you and the other Tarnished seek the throne of the Elden Lord.
    Well, I know that you will be the one, and you'd make just the manner of kind hearted lord that I'd wish for.
    So, please, if you would. Allow me to call you lord."
  • (If you say yes): "M'lord, m'lord, m'lord! Please become Elden Lord.
    And please, let I, Boc the seamster, remain at your side."
    [You receive the "My Lord" Gesture]

Surely she'd be happy for you?

  • "That I'm as good as any royal seamster, now. Oh, it's still not enough.
    I need to learn how to sew from scratch, like her."

Have you ever thought so?

  • "Well, they say that Rennala of Raya Lucaria has the power to help people be reborn.
    Oh? Me? Reborn? Oh, look at me. When you're this ugly... well being reborn? It would hardly make a difference, I'm afraid."

What do you really think?

  • "In all honesty, what do you think of me? Am I fit to serve a lord such as you, in all my ugliness?
    Must I be reborn, no matter what ill fate awaits me?
    Oh, I'm such a fool. I don't even have answers to the simplest of questions"

After receiving a Larval Tear

  • "Oh! Oh! It can't be... For my rebirth? But these are precious, are you certain that it's for me?
    Oh... M'lord how did you know? It was my only wish, that I might honour you with a decent appearance."

Please wait

  • "I'm off to see Rennala of Raya Lucaria. I'll be reborn, fresh and new."

After hearing the Prattling Pate "You're Beautiful"

  • "Thank you very much. Mum was always the only one who said I was beautiful.
    And now, my dear lord let me hear her voice. Please, if I may dream, just once...
    Do you feel the same way my mum did m'lord? Do you think I'm beautiful, despite these looks?"
  • (If you say yes): "M'lord, my dear lord...
    I, Boc the seamster, am forever in your service. May the throne of Elden Lord be yours."
  • (If you say no): "No, why on earth would you? It was silly of me to ask. Please, forget that I did. But I beg, don't renounce me for my appearance. One day, I'll look every bit the servant."
    • [The voice was mine.]
      • "Master... kind Master... I, Boc the Seamster, am forever in your service."

When attacked

  • (Before starting his quest) "Mum... I've... I've let you down"
  • (Warning) "Ow! M-m'lord? Is something wrong? It's me! Boc, the seamster!"
  • (Combat) "Oh, my... M'lord, is that the truth, your heart of hearts? My, oh my... Ah... aaah!"
  • (On player kill) "M'lord... What have I done?"

Upon defeat

  • "M'lord... I've failed you... please, forgive me."


Elden Ring Notes & Trivia for Boc

  • Voiced by Actor Calvin A. Dean
  • Boc was featured in the Elden Ring Network Test at the same location.
  • Boc can be killed with one hit. Once killed, Boc will not respawn, even after using Celestial Dew.
  • Despite Boc's questline involving you turning over the Sewing Needle and Tailoring Tools, you are still able to perform alterations at any Site of Grace, as the Tailoring Tools will stay in your inventory. Boc will offer the same services, simply as an alternative.
    • The advantage of alterations done by Boc over a Site of Grace is that Boc will not charge you for altering clothing. Using the Tailoring Tools at a site of grace will cost Runes each time an alteration is made.
  • Once you obtain a demi-god armor set, you can ask Boc why he does not offer altering demi-god's garments with the "I'm sorry..." option. He will then provide input as to why he doesn't alter those garments due to what his mother used to tell him, and that maybe he may become good enough to do so someday.
  • Thanks to the latest Patch, he is easier to find in Limgrave, now that his voice triggers from a farther distance from before. An Arteria Leaf was also placed near him to lure players to hear him.



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    • No valuable reward for doing his quest. Still it's imo the best npc quest in the whole game. So wholesome and beautiful. I always feel the urge to hug this little chad. 10/10

      • Anonymous

        Larval Tears are pretty useless (and you have like 10 anyway), but him dying, not even getting some final words and no option to even confront Rennala is just infuriating.
        RIP Boc, you were a nice guy.

        • Anonymous

          If, by mistake, you have given him a larval tear, use the "you're beautiful" pate and dialogue soon after, before you die or rest. This will change his mind and he won't pursue rebirth anymore.

          • Anonymous

            In a game were I'm supposed to challenge the very will of the gods, I never would have thought one of the most compelling quest would be turning into a psychological counsellor for a monkey with body dysmorphia.

            • Anonymous

              I must question whether the people calling this quest pointless are even interested in these games. the quest is beautiful for many reasons

              • Anonymous

                Thanks for making me lose a valuable Larval Tear on this completely pointless quest FromSoft! Worst part is he dies after rebirth, so my reward is feeling bad after trying to help him...

                • Anonymous

                  What they should of did with Boc is let him custom your armor. Like change color and to change the color you have to trade certain items. Like for green trade 5 Cave Moss for gloves, 20 for body, 15 for legs, and 10 for helmet. That way he's useful and put a little more use to having so many crafting items.

                  • Anonymous

                    I know his uselessness gets him a lot of hate but to me, he is so pathetic, it makes him lovable. Plus he is tied to Daedicar's Lore (Loving Nympho who banged everything under the sun and had a ton of kids Big Mom Style (from One Piece). The turtle lore in the game basically alludes to people not having much sex anymore cuz of the Erdtree's death/life cycle. But this Champs mom was having none of that nonsense. She was doing EVERYONE and EVERYTHING. Plus, she was still a good mom it seems.

                    • Anonymous

                      If you went past leyndell to mountain top and talked to melina there, u will not get the prompt to talk to her in east capital rampart but the quest can still be completed though

                      • Anonymous

                        Wait so there is zero reward for this quest, regardless if you use the emote or give him a tear? Seriously wtf is the point of this dude? Most pointless and useless NPC in any souls game, maybe even any game I’ve ever player. Should’ve just killed his ugly ass from the beginning.

                        Such a massive missed opportunity to implement transmog, you know since you gave quite a few (ugly as ****) pieces of armor some rather good perks/benefits.

                        Really hope Boc gets some usefulness come DLC, and transmog is implemented.

                        • Anonymous

                          I don’t know if it’s changed in a recent patch but Boc is alive and well after I turned the capital to ash and I was able to complete his quest line.
                          I arrived at the Capital of Ash SoG and walked back to the East Capital Rampart SoG and reactivated it. Boc was there. I had yet to give him the gold needle so I continued his quest line successfully from there.

                          • Anonymous

                            The way I see it, holding the rune of the unborn perfects rebirth for the one -being- reborn, not the one doing the rebirth ritual. This makes it work from an in-game lore perspective: Rennala never tried to rebirth herself, only the pile of creepy children surrounding her, and they need rebirthing every 5 minutes at the point of you showing up to battle her for the rune. She had it the whole time beforehand, and look at what's left of what were presumably fully-functioning adult sorcerers to begin with. You're the only one who comes out of being reborn not saddled with all manner of problems and a shortened lifespan, and you're the only one to have ever been holding the unborn's rune at the point of being reborn via that egg thing.

                            So, Boc dying from the larval tear option isn't specifically down to you stealing the rune of the unborn IMO; that would've happened anyway even if he'd have been allowed to be reborn without you ever going to the Raya Lucaria academy and taking the rune. It's just a deeply flawed process, as several item descriptions point out throughout the game.

                            • Anonymous

                              I wish we could send him to scavenger stuff (ingredients) for us.

                              this would make him more useful than just altering armor you can make yourself for 500 runes

                              • Anonymous

                                please give us an option to let Boc go get scavenger loot for you, for example when you first meet him he gives you 10 mushrooms and honestly this is incredibly useful as you use mushrooms to make ALL bombs

                                i know its kinda cute he wants to be only your Seamster but let's be real, its kinda useless since you can do that by yourself and only costs like 500 runes and to get for free you need to travel ALL the way to find boc to talk to him just to save measly 500 runes

                                come on, give the poor guy a better use

                                • Anonymous

                                  So I looted the golden needle first and then did the Coastal Cave step... I gave him the basic one and now he is nowhere to be found ..

                                  • Anonymous

                                    Well, gave this little **** a highly valued larval tear just for him to go off and DIE

                                    No more Boc. You're a terrible fashion designer and you need to learn the value of self love. Changing what you are is never going to change WHO you are.

                                    From now on, in successive playthroughs when ever I meet this little pish stain it's nothing but fully charged R2s.

                                    • Anonymous

                                      I used the "Your beautiful" Praye but I couldn't discuss it with him. I've gone all around him doing this for an hour but he says is "..." I sat at the site of Grace and suddenly he's dead. Wtf I tried so damn hard and he does wtf game development

                                      • Anonymous

                                        Does anyone know the exact trigger that causes him to be dead outside of the library? I’m pretty confident it’s after beating Morgott but I don’t know if it’s just beating him or entering the forbidden lands/mountaintops of the giants

                                        • Anonymous

                                          When he asks you permission to call you "lord", what if we refuse? I mean i never regard Boc as a servant or underling, he's my friend, deserves more than mere servant.

                                          • Anonymous

                                            How the **** is anybody supposed to know to use those shrunken heads in front of him? And giving him a larval tear - which does turn him human - makes him also die? How comes up with this ****?

                                            • Anonymous

                                              What the hell triggers him to leave East Capital Rampart to go die? He was there for sooo long, just to die the day after I finally find the prattling pate

                                              • Anonymous

                                                I had the prattling pate but gave Boc a larval tear because I thought he’d live happy…only to read that he dies afterwards. I genuinely feel terrible.

                                                • Anonymous

                                                  I can confirm that Boc doesn't leave in 1.05 and 1.06, even if you go the Frenzied Flame route. Did exactly the same on new playthru as the first one, yet he's missing in 1st playthru, and I believe he got broken because of an older patch.

                                                  • Just used Prattling Pate "You're Beautiful" WITHOUT having him alter ANY garments or getting those questions about him being ugly. He was sitting at the East Capital Rampart Grace in Leyndell; i just got the Pate and was quicksloting it and "accidently" used it infront of him before speaking with him - i cant recall the exact words, but there was an Talk Option along the line "Did i just hear my mum?" implying the Prattling Pate "You're Beautiful" is his mums voice

                                                    • Anonymous

                                                      Theres a concerning amount of heartless neckbeards shitting on this innocent little dude, like what the **** has he ever done to you to warrant you wanting to murder this sad boy even when he's done nothing to offend anyone? This site really attracts complete scum apparently.

                                                      • Anonymous

                                                        Absolutely can not find this dude late game. Dev apparently made it easier to find him yet hes nowhere to be found. Thanks, fromsoftware.

                                                        • Anonymous

                                                          "He will be reborn into a human form, and he will not respond when talked to. If you rest again, he will die"

                                                          Spoken in true Souls game fashion, because no one is allowed to be happy huh

                                                          • Anonymous

                                                            He is so lovely. I swore to him, when I become Elden Lord he will the Lord's hand and royal counselor, and everyone across the Lands Between will know his name as Lord Boc of Limgrave.

                                                            • Anonymous

                                                              Boc will disappear from his final location if the option "You're beautiful" is chosen and the game is ended.

                                                              Also, the first explanation on this wiki states 3 possible final options, while the "walkthru" section implies one must choose either the Prattling Pate OR Larval Tear...

                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                This guy should be a candidate for forcefeeding Seluvis' potion to. Isn't working for me for eternity what he wants to do? He'd be a funny spirit ash summon.

                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                  Altering armor to remove the cape doesn't just slightly lower the stats. It also lowers the weight by a pound or so. If your max load is close to wearing the armor you want without encumbrance ("Heavy Load" or "Overweight") penalties, removing the cape might remove just enough weight to put it in reach. Or allow you to equip a heavier weapon set without having to change to lighter armor.

                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                    Guys, I haven't seen this ending of the questline in any website, but DON'T speak to Boc after killing Morgott if you don't have the "You're beautiful" prattling pate yet. This will trigger a very sad dialogue on which he finally accepts he is ugly and goes to Rennala to try and be reborn, but he apparently dies, perhaps of trying to persuade Rennala without a larval tear. Very sad for our boy :(

                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                      It's worth noting that if you tell Boc he's beautiful before giving him the Gold Sewing Needle, you will be locked out of giving it to him and getting the "My Lord" gesture for the rest of the playthrough.

                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                        I'm gonna do it because no one else will. Boc is a one-note character that lacks any meaningful development. I can't even call him a creepy stalker because even that epithet is way too interesting for him. No idea why people like him.

                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                          Sorry, Blog or whatever your name is. No uglies allowed under my Erdtree. Little freak fawns way too much.

                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                            I changed face and stats a billion times so when I saw the larvaewhatever option I was like "sure why not bud? Make yourself as you wish!" -_-

                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                              I’ve read on many forums that sometimes he does not appear at “Lake-Facing Cliffs” grace. He did not appear for me either at first. I did not progressed to Liurina because I forgot to do Sorcerer Rogier’s questline, so I talked to him in the Roundtable Hold (I already defeated the Ulcerater Tree Speret under Stormweil), I talked to Fia after Rogier, she gave me the map. After all these when I went back to the “Lake-Facing Cliffs” geace to start Liurina questline, Boc was there. Please confirm if there’s any connection. I’ve read on many places that sometimes he skipps the Lake-Facing grace and appears immediately at Raya Lucaria East Gate Side. Npc quests are sometimes (always) weird in Souls games and I wonder if really Rogiers questline triggers Boc to appear there despite that I gave him his needle long before I entered Stormweil.

                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                I was doing Sellen and Boc's quest lines at the same, and upon going to Raya academy found Boc there in human mode. Thought nothing of it.
                                                                                Then then next time I came back, Sellen had moved in and Boc was dead.
                                                                                I was pretty pissed at her, asi assumed she killed him like the weird children scholars.
                                                                                But I guess she didn't... I guess I did :(

                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                  i did the 'your beautiful' prattling plate infront of him like 10 times in the grand library, all he said was "..." and then when i rested to see if something was wrong he died??

                                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                                    I found the "you are beautiful" thingy and when he appeared in the Altus Highway Junction site of grace and rested there, I have the option to "talk to Melina". There she told me that Boc misses his mother and wishing for someone to tell him he is beautiful. After that I played it for him and i had the dialogue where he asks me if i think he is beautiful, choose yes, and he swore loyalty to me right there. I dont know how this will affect when he appears in Lyndell but i think this will skip to that ending right away.

                                                                                    • Players usually grow fond of NPCs they can relate to. Here you have Boc the Beta with a testosterone count of 3 on a good day and he's Reddit's favorite NPC. Not a coincidence.

                                                                                      • Literally the only NPC who never does anything even questionable morally. The only pure soul in the lands between. Protect him at all costs.

                                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                                          Anyone else think it's weird how Blaidd and Boc have the most normal sounding voices ever. Like they could've have put more gnarls or werewolfy sounds in there. I just can't see either of their voices coming out of their faces, especially when Demihumans screech, don't speak and act like animals in combat. I think they're good voice actors and all, and maybe it's nit picky, but it just weirds me out a bit.

                                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                                            Boc doesn't seem to disappear anymore after telling him he's beautiful on the newest patch, just beat Elden Beast and he's still by the East Rampart grace.

                                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                                              So, this NPC is basically useless given the minor cost of altering your own equipment (And the lack of need to alter equipment frequently, especially given how limited alterations are being nearly exclusively "Remove the cloak from a chest piece")

                                                                                              His quest also offers just a gesture.

                                                                                              However, as an NPC, he presents some interesting thoughts.

                                                                                              Firstly, he gives creedence to Kenneth Haight. Kenneth's ideology of befriending the Demi-Humans seems less dumb when there are Demi-Humans like Boc whom seemingly possess greater intelligence than "Unga bunga". It's possible that more intelligent Demi-Humans exist that live in seclusion from the more savage ones we oft encounter throughout the Lands Between (Either because they get ostracized or because they simply want to do things other than unga bunga)

                                                                                              Secondly, his reference to his mom as a seamstress suggests that perhaps there are more female Demi-Humans than just the Queens. Which would of course be a significant change to their societal structure than would otherwise be indicated. This also seems to suggest that intelligence is hereditary if his mother possessed the intelligence to utilize (And potentially even make) sewing needles and design clothing (Boc's hat was probably made by her for example)

                                                                                              Thirdly, his demeanor of calling the player "Master" and "M' Lord" as well as his reference to "Royal Seamsters" suggests that intelligent Demi-Humans used to be employed by Lords to make clothing. Suggesting they were at one point accepted by society (At some level, they could have still been slaves... Though that they were allowed to talk meant they weren't treated as harshly as they could have).

                                                                                              Fourthly, it would seem that Raya Lucaria is indifferent about Demi-Humans. Seeing as Boc is able to get an audience with Rennala. Of course her acceptance of him can be attributed to how far gone her mind is, however Boc did have to make it to the Grand Library in the first place. Which would mean that either all the Cuckoo soldiers and Scholars didn't care about a Demi-Human or Boc is extremely proficient at stealth (Which is also a possibility as he likely would try to hide from his savage bretheren lest he get beaten up/killed like in Coastal Cave)

                                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                                the quest guide MISSING A STEP: it is not enough to buy a legendary armour, YOU NEED TO EQUIP THAT TOO !! Someone with a permission please edit the wiki

                                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                                  Last few steps can be done a little out of order. I just did the following:
                                                                                                  1. Played "You're Beautiful" prattling pate
                                                                                                  2. Went through dialogue telling him he's beautiful
                                                                                                  3. Bought demigod armor from Enia to unlock Gold Sewing Needle progression
                                                                                                  4. Gave him the Gold Sewing Needle
                                                                                                  5. Went through the last couple bits of dialogue to get the "My Lord" gesture

                                                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                                                    What happens when you respond with "Not at all" when he asks you if he's beautiful after using the prattling pate

                                                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                                                      Boc sucks. Weak little NPC groveling for praise, and yet does absolutely nothing useful (Alter Garments being the dumbest subsystem in the game). I hate this dude and prefer him as a tree.

                                                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                                                        i wish this little monkey guy would end up in roundtable hold at the end. or at the church of vows with muriel

                                                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                                                          So I've made a mark on his location before lyndell turns into ashen capital to make sure I didn't forget.
                                                                                                          He was still there in the ashen capital castle, and the site of grace would be reloaded (you can touch the grace again). But after defeating Godfrey, he was nowhere to be found. I kinda wished he went to the roundtable hold.

                                                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                                                            If you attack him after receiving his mushrooms but before proceeding with his quest in any other way, he says "you too, is it? The story of my rotten life." If he defeats you, he says "No... I never wanted this..."

                                                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                                                              Tried completing his quest without killing Renalla to see if he could be properly rebirthed. (She would still have the geat rune.)

                                                                                                              He does not move from the East Raya Lucaria Gate grace point. Figured I would share.

                                                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                                                You need to have the chest armor to proceed here, not clear. I also did not receive the gesture despite doing all steps at each location. Great game.

                                                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                                                  i wish that you could eventually guide boc to the haligtree, and find him there, maybe interacting with misbegotten or something. something to fully finish and tie the quest over.

                                                                                                                  • This game is so very dumb sometimes. I never gave Boc a larval tear and hadn't get found the "You're Beautiful" Prattling Pate, but was wrapping up Sellen's questline. While doing this, I found him dead at the doors of the Raya Lucaria Grand Library. It doesn't make sense that he'd be dead because he didn't have a larval tear. Screw you, devs.

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