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Mine isn't on the map and I don't already have it? Am confused

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This thing has some odd interactions when invading. Can’t describe them properly, but you can see how it goes up and down depending on the landscape and can pursue foes. But still wouldn’t recommend it id you are alone.

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I hope Aberrant sorceries would cost hp instead of focus. It would give them special niche while making them unique, considering there are only 2 of these spells in game.

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Damage equivalent to Great Glintstone Shard. Moves slower. Casts slower. Longer range. Costs 3 fp less. Costs 50 hp per cast.

I like this spell because I dislike the spamability of the glintstone spells. I would prefer that this would cost less to cast. 6 fp seems right. hp cost of 50 is a lot and really adds up. The significance of this hp cost alone can justify cheap fp cost to cast.

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Red Marker

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Is it feasible a build with red-feathered branchsword to give this sorcery a boost?

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Thorn spells' damage seems significantly buffed in the latest 1.10 patch. With 80 faith, dual wielding guilt staff, and full alberich set, both spells can deal 1200~1600 damage to enemies and 700~1000 to players and bosses.

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So by how much exactly is the bleed buildup influenced by arcane? How much more with like 80 arcane compared to minimum requirement arcane? And how much is it buffed by the albinauric staff? Is it really worth it pumping arcane and using the albinauric staff or is it better to use a staff with higher sorc scaling like Lusat's staff(the low FP cost makes this spell perfect for this staff)? Wish this site would have all these crucial infos!

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Neither the Carians or Golden Order seem kind to Aberrant Sorcerers.

I feel like the cruelty of Carians is understated. They lack the power of the Golden Order/Marika, but there is clear reference to the abuse of ‘undesirable elements.’

There really isn’t any information on the Carians preventing the ill treatment of Omens or Merchants either.

Just about all hierarchy in Elden Ring is ****.

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Feel like it should scale with the amount of health used to cast it, like a percentage of your max health is used to cast, and is added as physical damage

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The recovery frames allow for a follow-up spell, namely Glintstone Icecrag.

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This would be interesting in an Ash of War, likely one with a followup attack that's too slow to actually be useful

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This spell has some really strange properties that could maybe be useful, I've not tested much. It can travel insane distances when cast from an elevated platform or cliff - like much further than anything else in the game except prob arrows. It can also climb walls and hit elevated enemies you otherwise couldn't, and it can travel through/under breakable decor (like fences) without breaking them or stopping, and can hit enemies behind small trees, etc. It behaves very strangely around flying enemies near ruins/short walls, traveling in circles and changing direction. It's finicky for sure and Idk if it has any pvp applications, but it can do some neat stuff. Someone should do more testing; I'm lazy.

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The main use I have found for this, is to use it when you need to deal magic damage as a FTH caster, but find the other options to expensive, or if your a FTH/INT character and wanna meme.

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Would have made sense for this to deal physical damage as its basically thorns

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Come on From, buff this...

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Note: In Patch 1.07, FP cost was reduced to 9 from 13, and the spell is also faster to cast while also now inflicting more bleed buildup: from 60 to 72.

Reduced from 9 to 13
fck my ass im glad they made some new calcultions about this spell

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Theirs are the sorceries most reviled by the academy.

Damn. The academy hates bleed.
Never knew they were based.

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O balancing team would please bring back the chain cast between briar spells?

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I've tried a build, lvl 340. 99 arc, 30 int and faith albunauric staff. talismans for hp return and lord of blood talisman and the graven masses + knot and i have to say: while its fun and different the spells are very weak. max 1500 dmg The blood buildup is very low and most things die on 3+ before it procs bloodloss from casting. mainly usefull for triggering bloodloss from a range after it has been build up by ur weapon. like the eleonoras blade or the katana or rose mace.

But when i went to hailigtree i just switched back to 99 int and night sorc + dual staff + knot and talismans for dmg and max charge. Then you do like 3086 dmg per cast. which is come out like 9 cast in same time you would cast 3 of the blood sorc.,
plus the night sorc dont draw agro so ur pet can tank the boss and you just nuke :D

all in all, very cool spells that look awsome but not very good dmg wise.

ps. with the proper talisman u can cast this without dying from ur own spell

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Anon 26 Jan 2023 00:16, well obviously your doing higher damage than Anon 20 Jan 2023 20:58, BECAUSE__No 1 : he or she was using aberrant sorceries in pvp while your using the W E A K, W E A K, W E A K, W E A K thorn Sorceries in pve, and you were most likely using in against a weak foe (try using this against Melenia, honestly respect to you if you can get one hit on her using thorn sorceries hahaha lol)__ No 2 : you were definitely using stuff to make it do 100million % more damage lol, at that point I can defeat her with a lvl 1 dagger. Like SERIOUSLY WHY DOES FROMSOFT DISLIKE pvp INTELLIGENCE SO MUCH. There are too many counter to int…. Plus it’s depressing that you need F A I T H to make a blood and necromancer build :(

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Anon 24 Oct 2022 23:32 __ “ HP cost is 50 regardless of the staff used“ wow that’s madness ! ! ! I though it was a hefty cost, but that’s way to much for the pitiful dps it has. For example, after casting 6 times, I’m inflicted 300 damage onto myself, plus I’m inflicting bleed (i.e. hemorrhage) on me. hahaha LoL who ruined INTILLIGENCE (why are stars / death / blood related to Faith???)…

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Using a 42 Faith Vagabond, no investment in Int or Arc, double Staves of the Guilty+Alberich Set & Buffs+Talismans, my Brairs of Punishment can hit up to 1200-1500 damage per cast not even counting the built in Bleed build up! For a spell that only costs 9 FP and some HP that is easily regenerated by Blessing of the Erdtree, Holy Ground, or even Warming/Frenzyflame Stones, it feels respectable though admittedly needy in regards to what gear you can wear.

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FROM made death and blood for Faith? at this point they should make a new Elden Ring where Faith isn’t connected to Death (deathblight, destined death, death, lightning death) or Blood, or to stars in any shape or form…. P.S. just to test it’s damage with the Albinauric Catalyst at 80 arc in pvp, all I was able to do was an UNEXPECTED and ATROCIOUS 380 damage ! ? yup, yet again, it’s absolutely impossible INT to ever come close to Faith, personally there’s no point in future dlc. Literally in DS3 sorceries weren’t even animated : (

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Don't waste your time with the Albinauric Staff. The supposed Bleed scaling with Arcane is abysmal, unless you have like 80 Arcane, in which case you surely have better ways to inflict Bleed. The real purpose for this spell is to give pure Faith builds a way to deal Magic damage.

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ok but why do they do magic damage? sure the benefit from terra magicka is nice but it also makes no sense whatsoever

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People complain about these spells too much in my opinion. You need pretty much minimal intelligence to pull this build off, starting int for the prophet is sufficient without having to put a single level into. Also just drop arcane, the bleed on it ain't that great anyway and go full faith. If you keep str/dex at around 20 for some lighter melee weapons and go full in for 65-70 faith, these give some nice burst damages. Staff of the Guilty stacks, so having an unapgraded one in offhand also helps. Alberich's set is also a must have. All in all, pretty needy but fun build that can also serve as a pyro/lightning warrior if you get tired in these thorns without any respec

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Wait so I can still chain cast the holy boomerang spells between each other but I can't with my bloody sin spells? That is so disappointing man both thorn spells only work well when combined for good close mid range mix ups if you can switch between them without it being obvious.

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Haven't seen this commented on yet. This spell can be cast while being on a much higher elevation than the target. Doesn't even matter if the terrain isn't connected. If standing on one of those stone platforms sticking out of cliffsides, the spell will still travel the full distance on the ground below it.

I need to do more testing as it seems like it goes up/down inclines with no issue but will trigger on even the smallest vertical piece of terrain.

I play PVP mostly and I'm having success getting the drop on people with good positioning and a little patience. This spell also knocks people out of the air while they're doing those floating cast animations. Seems like it may interrupt ALL support/attack animations.

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HP cost is 50 regardless of the staff used

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A spell for people who like investing in Faith and Arcane, but also want to invest in Intelligence and use staves.

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guilty staff in left hand, albinauric staff in the other, 40 arc, completely wasted fire giant.

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Giga chads poke

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This spell punish the caster.

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FS doesn't want us to use thorn sorceries but I won't give up!

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Why ever use these when you can insta bleed people with long pointy spears

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For masochists

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This spell is shockingly bad.

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Astrologers, if you don't want to invest into Faith past the starting 7 points to hit 24:
- Two Fingers Heirloom +5
- Imp Head (Corpse) +2 (there are other helms too)
- Faith-knot Crystal Tear +10
I had actual points invested for a while not just for this but other sorceries. This feels better.

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I whoop general niall at castle sol with this its a beast on the albinuric staff i made it viable i cant believe it

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this sucks

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When people finally discovered how to make briars spells useful by chaincasting, Froms just removed chaincasting.

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Needs a huge damage boost to make it viable. Otherwise just use the bloodflame incantations.

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Costs 80 hp to cast regardless of how much health you have. Is not affected by resistances or reductions, but I don't know about staff stat scaling. Azur's and Lusat's staves don't boost the cost, either.

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So sad they nerfed this(via the 2 items) to the ground, I wanna play a blood mage godammit :(

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Can be chain cast from glintstone pebble

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When does a sorcery not use int yet use faith! I didn’t know a thing could exist

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The damage is comparably mediocre even wield two staff of guilty and wear full damage boost set. Disappointed.

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How does it scale with something like "the prince of death staff" ?

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Does the blood loss buildup always scale with Arcane or with the normal staff sorcery scaling? The Wiki page here just says "This buildup is affected by the Arcane stat, if the staff has Arcane scaling", but what happens if it doesn't?

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How would it scale on something like the Prince of Death's Staff?

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I'm pretty damn positive this spell being faith is a fromsoft typo. It only makes sense it should be arc. Just like how the arc weapons were all busted on release.

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Albinauric staff and dragon communion seal status buildup nerf killed blood magic.

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Honestly unless they un-nerf the bloodthorn spells in some way, they’re useless. Most shard or icecrag spells will out damage this without having to wear garbage armor and wield a pointless staff in your offhand. This thing doesn’t build bloodloss anymore (not literally, it’s just so little it may as well not do it at all) even with the Albinauric staff. The spell damage will probably kill whatever you’re attacking before it procs, and you’ll do a ton of damage to yourself for no reason. If you want magic damage + blood loss use the Clayman’s Spear. If you want blood loss at range with magic damage… well it’s not really possible anymore. Maybe one of the bows? Horn bow with blood loss arrows may work. Otherwise, use flies.

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I thought this was an incantation considering how it fits the theme of the other blood incantations.

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Don't use this with albunauric staff. It's slow as balls and you do more blood damage to yourself with the arcane scaling. If you want long-range bleed, just use swarm of flies or a crossbow, and if you just want to use this, use staff of the guilty on a faith build so you can dip your toe into other sorceries like pebble or slicer too

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After 1.04 this spell is useless. Even with the Albinauric staff and 80 arcane this pretty much will not proc blood loss before the target dies unless it’s a boss with a ton of health. Flies are way better.

Sucks cuz I finally figured out how to do a bloodloss/magic build and the change basically removed this as being a possible ranged magic damage blood loss.

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I am sure this does n't inflict bleed status effect . I tested on godskin apostle after nearly a dozen tries no bleed effect

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So after the patch what’s the way to go faith or arcane?

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Of all the things they could buff about this, the recovery? Really? Not the 3 years it takes to cast? Not the damage that struggles to pass Cometshard even after equipping an entire set, using the Albinauric Staff with 80/50 Arc/Int and Staff of the Guilty in off-hand? Bleh. There's always next patch for us would-be bloodmagi.

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There is literally zero information to suggest that the heretical/aberrant sorceries inflict blood loss and the wiki seems to reflect this. I don't play in PVP and between the literal game not saying it inflicts hemorrhage and the wiki not saying it inflicts hemorrhage, I'm left to have no ****ing idea. One would assume that a sorcery that's ENTIRE aesthetic is blood would be able to inflict it but in using this in pve rather often, I haven't seen it inflict bloodloss once.
(Build references: Int 70 Faith 50 Arc 18 ... If the bloodloss effect scales with arcane then I dunno, maybe that should be MENTIONED somewhere)

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Definitely needs a buff as its damage and bloodloss are too low compared to spells of the same cost while this one also drains your hp.

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So, interesting tech. Normally, your repeat casts would give you a slight reduced cast time on successive casts by just repeatedly slamming the staff down, but if you switch to Briars of Sin, Sin will combo and come out REALLY fast.

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Blood star... possibly another outer god?

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Or I could just use my arcane and faith to use the significantly better swarm of flies. Hmmm.

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"yo let's make the one of the coolest sorcery sets use the most stupid and useless spells, wait also let's also just make those spells dimestore incantations to really make the whole thing pointless! "
-miyazaki probably

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I have some situations when was hit during a cast, but got new thorns from right side with smaller damage. Pretty cool, if it isnt a bug.

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Here was a very rough test of a blood mage. It’s not a full caster build, and my stats are wrong. (I didn’t use Full Moon sorcery because I couldn’t at the time). I also forgot to open with Seppuku. It’s NG+ and I’m level 202, but it gives a good idea of how this can work. It’s just for fun, I know I’m not pro. :)
You can see the blood loss procs on the boss when the thorns hit.

https://youtu.be/KMwZi7rzVfE

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So, this is considered a sorcery but requires faith to cast and to proc blood you need to use the arcane staff. How high were the devs when they thought of this

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So, this is considered a sorcery but requires faith to cast and to proc blood you need to use the arcane staff. How high were the devs when they thought of this

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Question: is it viable to meet the minimum faith requirements for spells like this and Rykards Rancor and just use the spell power scaling from a normal Int staff? Like how in DS3 a mainly Int build could use dark sorceries with only a minor drop in damage?

I'm really enticed by some of the sorceries with Faith requirements but I'm concerned about the stat spread

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Question: is it viable to meet the minimum faith requirements for spells like this and Rykards Rancor and just use the spell power scaling from a normal Int staff? Like how in DS3 a mainly Int build could use dark sorceries with only a minor drop in damage?

I'm really enticed by some of the sorceries with Faith requirements but I'm concerned about the stat spread

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This can be chained with Glintstone Pebble for instant casts if you don't feel like relying too much on Briars of Sin. Haven't tested with other sorcery specific spells tho, so maybe there are better combinations.

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This can be chained with Glintstone Pebble for instant casts if you don't feel like relying too much on Briars of Sin. Haven't tested with other sorcery specific spells tho, so maybe there are better combinations.

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Someone needs to update the text on the interactive map. It says its an Incantation over there not a Sorcery

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Test with Albinaruic Staff +13, Arcane 35, Intellegence 24
474 base damage
502 with just chest (5.90% increase in damage)
502 with just gloves (5.90% increase in damage)
502 with just helmet (5.90% increase in damage)
529 with chest and gloves (11.60% increase in damage)
529 with chest and helmet (11.60% increase in damage)
529 with gloves and helmet (11.60% increase in damage)
560 with full set (18.14% increase in damage)

Other Tips:
After the first ritual/cast, you may chain cast it for faster speed, and you may switch to Briars of Sin during the chain cast to instantly cast it for when enemies get too close to you. You may get hit during the Briars of Sin cast, but you shouldn't be interrupted unless by a massive attack because of the hyper armor. Lastly, if you hold the Staff of the Guilty in your opposite hand, you will gain the additional 30% damage bonus on these two spells even when casting with the Albinaruic Staff.

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Update with the Arcane fix. The Albinauric staff INCREASES BLOOD LOSS BUILD UP when you use it to cast the spell. I suspect this is because it scales off arcane. Hold the Staff of Guilty in one hand and cast it with the Albinauric staff in the other hand. With Albrecht’s hat and gloves, the staff of guilty, and Albinauric staff, I was decimating everything in my path with zero problem and no sorcery damage talismans. Don’t forget the combo the spells. Since Albinauric scales sorcery off arcane AND Int, you can use this combination with just about any spells and they are still effective, while the thorn spells are excellent.

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Pretty sure this version dosn't build bleed for some odd reson.

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Also you can cast this an incredible amount of times with the Primal Glintstone Blade if you’ve got the hp. Rocking about 35 Vigor at the moment and even when I don’t use HP talismans it feels like my mana pool is huge (30 Mind) compared to using some of the harder hitting slower spells.

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Little update. 60INT and 65ARC. +25 Albinauric’s Staff for casting, Albrecht’s hat/gloves, staff of guilty in off hand. Can get blood loss proc on tougher larger mobs in about 3 to 4 casts. 2 to 3 casts on players. Hits for over 1000 without the Full Moon debuff and no sorcery or magic damage buffs or talismans. And about 600-700 to larger enemies (like clean rot knights) while they block. You can also Seppuku yourself while using the blood loss talisman to further increase the damage of your spells. It’s really nice for hitting stuff as it comes to you and switching to a weapon with blood loss. I’ve been using Eleonara’s (so I have not been utilizing Seppuku to boost my damage while casting at the moment.) Having a great time and destroying all kinds of stuff and I’m not really equipped talisman-wise for damage.

Also spamming this spell and then combo-ing to Briars of Sin for the instant PBAE when enemies get to me has been fantastic in pvp.

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Can someone test if this gets the status of the main hand weapon?

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if your trying to use the death spells and realizing now that they ****ing suck but are determined to keep using them add the two blood spells for mix up. Sadly the fp costs for both death and blood magic dont really justify their damage even with a decent 46/46 spread with death staff the death spells are pratically uselss outside of pvp and even then they are medicore in pvp.

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This thing is pretty weak for FP cost + the small HP cost. Hits for around 500-600 with 300 sorcery scaling staff.

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Should have been an incantation like Mohg's spells instead of a sorcery.

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needs a staff to be cast for you faith boys

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It's looted off of a body on a cliff above the big fire guy that drops the thorn whip. There are two enemies next to it.

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It's looted off of a body on a cliff above the big fire guy that drops the thorn whip. There are two enemies next to it.

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Does not seem to cause bleed effect to enemies.

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I found this I believe in the starting area of giants mountain top

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Incantation?

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Its looted off a body in the mountaintop of giants, somewhere north shortly after Zamor ruins

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It requires 21faith, not 12 like in description.

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Located in Mountaintops of the Giants, NE of Zamor Ruins, on a corpse among the cultists before the obnoxiously long, blocky bridge.

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dont be confused with briars of sin this is a different spell

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please someone lmk where to get this

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requires 21 faith, and it's in giant territory near the bridge with blood prayers

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From Giants’ Mountaintop Catacombs site of grace, walk outside too the left passed the pyromancers and it’ll be on a body next to a tree

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It is a Item pickup Near the Giant's Mountaintop Catacombs by the fire ladies and whip man. Left side before going over the bridge.

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just updated the location, I had it for a long time and had a friend go somewhere to test it for me. He found it where I thought it was. :)

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