Bull-Goat's Talisman | Elden Ring Wiki

The fashion talisman. Light armour generally looks more fashionable than heavy armour. Now I get to look like I'm ready to walk on the runway while simultaneously have enough poise to survive a gentle breeze.

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Do not use this if you are using the new items that turn you into a dragon. This boosts your poise by percent but 33 percent of zero is still zero. So don’t use this because the items give you no extra poise

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After the pvp patch most power stance weapons break 100 poise in addition to most two hand weapons.

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So since the poise damage was buffed, this is now a hyper armor talisman, basically.

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So we get 50% reduced poise damage on certain weapons during hyper armor, will this boost it to 75% reduced poise damage? assuming it impacts incoming poise damage? if it increases your poise health it will stack less effectively with hyper armour poise buff.

your poise health 100 incoming poise damage 300.

incoming poise damage reduce by 75% during hyper armour, 300 becomes 75 and you don't get stagger.

incoming poise damage reduced 50% during hyper armour and assuming this talisman increases your poise health by 33% you are now at 133 poise. incoming poise damage 150 so you will get staggered.

my head

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So there are 3 kinda staggers, none, low and high stagger (one where you get him by colossal weapons), this one will make some of those high staggers into low once making escapes easy in invasions against ganks.

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I have been wearing heavy armor, trading hits for 200 hours and not using it. I was stupid. This talisman is easily top tier if you reach with it poise for one stronger attack or two weaker and also eventually some additional projectile. I just didn't know how poise mechanic works and used heavier armor for bigger damage reduction. In pvp it also can be useful, but looking at the table not as much as in pve.

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Big difference between increasing ur poise by 33% (which makes your armour matter) and reducing incoming poise damage by 25% (which makes ur personal poise stat irrelevant) so which one is it? Maybe invest some points in maths?

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Since it reduces incoming damage by 25% your armour is irrelevant, a weapon doing 100 poise damage will now do 75 regardless of what you wear. This is a huge deal during hyper armour which multiplies your poise during attack animation with big weapons, if opponent has a heavy weapon that does 200 poise damage now it does around 150 making you tank through heavy weapons, but smaller weapon will not matter much since they do low poise damage to begin with, 25% penalty will be in single digits but you will now be able to take more hits due to longer poise threshold.

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This could’ve been a flat poise buff but then people would complain in the opposite direction.

There could’ve also been a flat +poise talisman but then people would complain either that Bull-Goat’s Talisman didn’t stack with the flat poise talisman properly or about PvP players using both to become immovable objects.

There’s really no winning.

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I hate that you're basically held at gunpoint to use this talisman in pvp, leaving you with 3 slots.

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Get yourself 40 endurance point, pick godslayer greatsword and seal, get a a 76 poise medium load set (bull greaves, scaled armor, chain gaunlets and banished knight helm altered for exemple) equip that talisman to rock 101 poise and then just vibe threw the lands between.

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"Muh flat poise!!!" - dress wearing bleed build weeb

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i have a question; is the poise value on the status screen my total amount of poise after the application of this talisman, or do i need to add 33% to the value of the number on the status screen to figure out my true poise value?
so say the status screen says i have 100 poise, does that mean i have 100 poise after the talisman's effect is taken into account, or does it mean i ACTUALLY have 133 poise? (as in 100 + 33%) - my guess is the status screen value is the actual value, but i'd like to know if i've been overinvesting this whole time lol.

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a lot of the comments on here are pretty oblivious to how the game works... guys, this talisman rewards investment into endurance, and by extension heavy armor builds.. you're not supposed to use this talisman to supplement a lack of heavy armor aka a light armor build - that's not the point of it... you can, sure, but its a minimal benefit compared to using it properly, aka with a build focused around heavy armor... if you have 100 poise, you gain 33 poise out of this talisman... if you have 30 poise, you get 9.9 (10) poise from this talisman... the lower your total poise, the lower the benefit, so don't look to supplement your light build with this talisman. you're better off using pretty much any other talisman if you refuse to run heavy armor and thus use this talisman properly.

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If I am wearing armor with 38 poise and put this on, that come out to 50.54 poise. Is that effectively the same as 51 poise?

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It's weird how they made this multiplicative (incoming poise damage x0.75) instead of just a flat numeric increase. The Wolf Ring in DS1 just increased your poise by 40, so it was useful for ultra-light builds who needed that extra bit of stability, but the Bull-Goat's Talisman is only useful if you're already a giga-poise build and want to be even stronger

Granted, most non-heavy armors in DS1 had literally 0 poise, but Elden Ring's light armors *may as well* have 0 poise — anything below 31 poise will make you flinch from literally every pvp attack, iirc

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So is there no point in wearing this talisman if it’s not enough to get you across the 51 poise threshold? I’ve seen a few comments say it helps with hyperarmor even at 0 poise but I’m not quite sure what that means or if it’s worth it.

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This Talisman EFFECTIVELY increases your Poise health by 33%, but it ACTUALLY reduces Poise damage taken by 25% and the in-game description and the UI are not accurate depictions of how this talisman actually works. This distinction matters because of how Hyper Armor is calculated, which reduces incoming Poise damage by 50% while performing an action that has Hyper Armor frames.

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The rune bear in this cave is the real Elden Lord

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Fight the Runebear

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i'm sure it's good just wish it didn't look so ugly compared to the wolf ring/ring of giants

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The ganker spanker gadget

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hyperarmor enhancer

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The f**king runebear hits harder than general Rad the chad.

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This + Gia- Tree sentinel armor + Any glintstone crown for roflz, slap endure while invading, do the "welcome" gesture... R U PRO YET?

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MERASMUS THE WIZARD HAS COME FOR YOUR SOULS!

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Combined with the dragon greatshield talisman they are the bling brothers. Using these for anything but to enable fashion with decent poise and defense is a falsehood

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Moooo

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Does this increase hyperarmor poise when you attack?

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This talisman still can be useful if you and your opponent use the same/similar weapon type, you will come out on top from exchanges. Also i believe you would even be able to do this with "lighter" weapons, need to investigate this one

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This talisman went from a must have in PvP to almost useless in PvP as of the 1.10 patch. And that’s just fantastic. Poise absolutely ruined this game’s PvP. Now I think this might be the best PvP in a Fromsoft game after the 1.10 patch. And we have 4 talisman slots to play with since one is no longer wasted on this boring talisman that made number bigger. I can’t express how happy I am with this patch. Advice for new players. Just get your poise above 50. That’s all you need now. You can easily do that without this talisman. Every time I see this talisman now, it will be as if looking at the grave of the old, far less fun ER PvP experience. Assuming they don’t walk it back in the future… pls dont fromdaddy…

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best i can say about this is at least it's not the ds3 wolf ring, i'll manage with exactly 50 poise tyvm

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After patch 1.10 this talisman does nothing, and I mean that literally it does nothing. The poise boost was always irrelevant in PvE and only mattered in PVP, now PvP poise doesn't even exist. Do not use this talisman it is a waste of space.

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GIVE ME MORE POISE AAAAAH MORE. HAVEL IS NO MORE BULL GOAT IS ETERNAL.

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if you dont got this you better be light equipment rolling. pvp borderline unplayable without one or the other

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i would have liked if this strictly applied for active poise rather than passive poise, giving weapons that normally lack it pseudo-hyperarmor

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With talisman on, you can poise through a 2h katana R1 with 0 poise while swinging a halberd. With less than 15 poise and swinging a great hammer, you can poise through every non great weapon 2h r1 and certain weapon arts. This is pretty much useless knowledge unless you really like fashion souls and use a weapon with hyper armor frames. Excluded r2s and jump attacks for obvious reasons.

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I hate how mandatory this is for invasions, theres no anti-blender mechanic like ds3 so you're forced to just deal with getting slapped in the face by 3 people simultaneously half the time

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This should definitely work like the DS1 Wolf Ring. As it stands, all the in-game tooltip tells you is "raises poise", and if you have no poise-granting armor equipped, you will see that's not true. So....the item just lies to you.

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huge mistake making this percentage based. just makes big poise armor even better while keeping lower poise armor irrelevant.

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Due to the nature of Poise (51 poise allows tanking a single hit without being staggered, <51 poise does nothing, <102 poise but above 51 poise also does nothing extra) and the fact that most armor sets in the game do not grant 51 poise, this Talisman is a good solution if you care about both fashion and tanking a hit without being interrupted.

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Best talisman in the game gives an insanely good poise boost while allowing for fashion definitely worth the slot on almost every build other then glass cannons.

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Decreases poise damage by 25%, which basically works out the same as increasing poise by 33% due to fun math.

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poize boyz

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Now all we Poise Bois really need is a weapon/shield that gets a scaling bonus off max poise

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I think it is a great Talisman. Use it don’t. End of story.

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So many comments of people wanting to have their cake and eat it too. Light armor doesn't need higher poise because the whole reason for it is so that lower endurance/lighter weight builds can tank a hit and not instantly die, but the goal overall is to not get hit in the first place and place your attacks proper. Meanwhile heavy armor is more focused around trading while having higher resists. I don't get why you would want to trade in light armor at all when it's clearly not to your benefit.

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I believe this talisman was recently reworked, now it gives you a 33.33 percent increase to your base poise. For example, when I first got the talisman my poise was 41 and after it was 55.

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It should just give flat poise, I think its a bad game design that heavy armors which already have a lot of poise and defences get the most out of this talisman, while for light armors this talisman is useless. As of right now 80% of armor is basically unusable in pvp, which limits build and fashion diversity drastically.

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this should get the greatshield talisman treatment

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There just needs to be a separate talisman, similar to the Blue Dancer one for increased damage with lighter loads, that grants more poise the lower your current poise rating. Basically, the exact opposite of this talisman. That way, light builds have a poise talisman that helps, and so do high poise builds. Problem solved, everyone's happy.

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bool got

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Poise boys friend

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should absolutely give flat poise and not %. percentage based means you get more effectiveness from it the more poise you have, which is obviously counterintuitive. if you have a lot, you don't need more.
its niche should actually be giving poise to low armour setups so people don't have to use this games ugly as **** heavy armour sets to not be useless in pvp.

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i wish this had a flat poise increase too, light armor really needs it.

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If you have problems with the Bear, just use a sleep pot. One is enough to put him to sleep.
Use one again on your way back and you are free.

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Just putting your poise up high enough to tank a two hander swing isn't all you are trying to do. Being able to get staggered less from trash mobs doing one handed lights here and there is a HUGE quality of life consideration. This talisman works in any build with any armor IMO. Not just to stack poise on your bully tank. But hey, having no single hit in the game stagger you must be cool... too bad I may never find out cause you know... Fashion Ring drip > Function.

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Is it just me or does the fact they put that this trinket after that rune bear feel like a joke? Cheers to anyone who through themselves at that runebear repeatedly.

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Bullgoat+Rivers of Blood is the new Havel's+Gold Tracer.

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Wrong description, the Bull-Goat Talisman "Raises Poise". It does not reduce poise damage.

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This is less of a Wolf Ring and more of a reverse Stone Ring from DS2

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This is an interesting change for FromSoft. Before the wolf ring would have diminishing returns, the higher your poise, the less poise the ring gave you, but this ring does better if you have more poise.

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Wow my version of Elden Ring doesn't have Bull Goat Talisman and so many others items, I don't know why that is.

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At least poise in elden ring is better than ds3

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fromsoft game poise discussions

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love being forced to wear ugly **** like veteran's and bullgoats set just because from decided that it'd be a good idea not to make this a flat poise boost like wolf ring

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Sad that having a viable tank build completely relies on a talisman, unless you plan on being over leveled.

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is this talisman useful at all in PVE?

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Reduces incoming poise damage by 25%. This means a 33% poise increase. If you have 30 poise and get attacked for 40 poise damage, the poise damage is reduced by 10, which would be 33% of your poise.

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Pretty amazing talishman, the true benefit does not lie in the fact it stops staggers with smaller caps as we saw with new discoveries but rather that it turns "heavy" staggers into "weak" stagger.

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Bloodhounds step > Poise

I can feel your anger, it gives you conniptions.. makes you saallltyyyy

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Interestingly, the +33.3% poise is basically the same thing as reducing incoming poise damage. 70 poise x 1.333 = 93.31. A Reaper does 93 poise damage one handed, 93 x 0.75 = 69.75. 70 poise to not stagger, although the game would probably show us 93 poise but 93.31 would leave you with 0.31 poise left after getting hit. It would have been better to leave the decimals like in DS3 so we could at least know exactly what we have. They probably didn't want to overcomplicate it and have us reducing poise damage by 25% and ending up with decimals on everything but damn it if that's how it really works then just reflect that.. From hates us figuring out their math

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This talisman is the GOAT.

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It's been discovered that the Bull-Goat's Talisman reduces incoming poise damage by 25%. This is big. This means that you can rest easy at lower poise thresholds with the Bull-Goat's Talisman. Take this 0 poise super armor example. With 0 poise, super armor gives you (0/2) + 30 = 30 poise during your super armor. See, without the Bull-Goat's Talisman, you wouldn't be able to super armor through a dagger 1H R1 (that's 30 poise damage). But with the talisman equipped? The dagger 1H R1 now does 22.5 poise damage (which probably gets rounded down). What's more, with the talisman on, you can even super armor through a dagger 2H R1 (normally 33 poise damage, now 24.75 poise damage).

Now onto a higher poise example. A paired katana L1 does 20 + 40 poise damage. 60. Without the Bull-Goat's Talisman, you can poise through that at 61 or super armor through it at 62 poise. But with the talisman on, the poise damage becomes 15 + 30. 45. You can now spend less weight on armor and poise through that at 46 or super armor through it at 34 poise.

The Bull-Goat's Talisman is now a crutch talisman. And yeah, they kind of had to display the effects in that way (wrongly increasing poise) because how else would they display less incoming poise damage?

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Decreases incoming poise damage by all attacks by 25%. Doesn't actually increase your poise even though the stat listed changes when equipped. Can tank higher poise damaging attacks with very low poise using this, especially considering that collosal weapons and the like will give a minimum amount of poise during attack animations. Way better than it has the right to be, and just as misleading as expected from Zaki the man

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New discovery, it shows that it increases poise but effectively reduces poise damage taken by 25%.

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This ring is a communist, it enriches the people who already have enough (poise) while starving the people who actually need it.

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So unless I use one of those ugly heavy armour sets this wont be as beneficial? What does From have against fashion souls who want some decent poise? Why must I get punished for having drip while those copy pasted veteran and bullgoat people get to enjoy this on top of their already high poise?

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If I already have high poise, why the hell would I need to boost it with this talisman? What is the logic here?

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Its actually better that it is percentage base rather than a flat rate. If your poise is low then you probably shouldn't be investing in this talisman. The reason it isnt flat rate is because it will not benefit the builds that do have high poise. Sure a flat rate would be better for really low poise but you'd get stunned, staggered, and get rekted anyway due to low poise. 33.33% is a very high value; if you want to get the most out of this talisman then invest in some endurance so you can equip armor that give you more poise.

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What do you mean I could just use Great-Arsenal Jar and heavier armor for poise? Do you know nothing about Fashion souls?

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Poise is not good in this game useless item

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Y’all are probably new to souls games. Miyazaki hardly does any weapon balancing in subsequent patches. The game goes the if it’s not broken dont fix it principle. You can do min-max, but it’s not the game is designed for. The only exception is Ringed Knight Twinned GS, that **** has become too absurd that Miyazaki himself has to step in

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"This doesn't fit with my build so it S*CKS !!!"
This entire comment section. A guy even said "i'm 1 poise off the limit i wanted" ... why don't you put ONE point in endurance bro ? It's faster than waiting for the talisman to be patched (patched of -not a bug-).
You liked how it was in DS1 or 2 ? Too bad, this is Elden Ring.

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Please don't turn this flat.

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Oh wow, so this is in that once cave I "noped" out of because of that giant bear. I found this place really early on, but the bear took next to no damage. Does it have an insane health pool to teach us stealth or something?

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Should have flat and percentage increase. I win

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Everybody complaining about how this talisman works better when you already have poise, that's the point.
The trade off for poise is having to level endurance to use it, losing a talisman slot doesn't compare to 40 endurance levels.

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missed opportunity to call this the ramulet

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People crying in the comments cause they can't do their favorite anime cosplay. DEX nerds keep loosing.

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Really should be a flat boost, the trade off really should be chonk armour vs losing out on a talisman slot
Or just beef up the poise on lighter armour a little, I can understand mages getting splattered but I do still want my fashion souls (Blaidd really doesn't look like he should be staggered by a couple knicks hmm?)

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I understand the argument for percentage bonus for high poise builds, but I'd rather It gave flat bonus, so I could have more fashion souls options without being staggered by everything

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should be a flat bonus

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I don't have any stats to confirm it's related to this talisman... but I noticed that with a poise of 133 and using the fingerprint shield, I got hit so hard by the golem dude in the capital that it made me do a somersault backwards and I just landed on my feet without missing a beat. My other characters it would have been like an ant holding up an acorn while getting stepped on by a fat kid.

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This moves poise breakpoints from 51, 56, 63, 111 to 38, 42, 47, 83. If you have 42 poise without it, it's worth using to be able to roll out of a single heavy attack or animal bites. But jump attacks, great weapons, charged attacks, getting hit more than once, most boss attacks will still stagger you.
Great Epee charged attack does ~100*2.5=250 poise damage for instance, often guaranteeing a follow up. Two daggers hits should be around 63.
In most situations, using the great-jar talisman and heavier armor should be better.
Fia's Blessing, Poise Physick, and Ironjar Aromatic last 15/10/40s.

I'm only using it to wear a cool looking hat and armor + heavy greaves and gauntlets and still have 56 poise.

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my vote is make this give a flat 30-40 poise but make it unreasonably heavy. like 5 or more miyazaki's or something.

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If you're looking for Poise to stop getting interrupted during spells or swings: I recommend the Ironjar Aromatic (perfume item, craftable) or the Leaden Hardtear on your Mix Flask. The 10~ 20~ Poise you'll get from this won't change anything.

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Would be great if poise did anything in this game. They totally destroyed heavy weapons in this game because there is no hyper armour worth mentioning to begin with, and every boss staggers you no matter what.

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Why the ****ing hell is it percentage based?
That means that the more poise you have the more you get out of this talisman.
So the people that have low poise and want a boost with this talisman wil get less out of this talisman then players that have the tankiest armor in the game making themselves even tankier.

Thanks Fromsoft big brain

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