Bull-Goat's Talisman | Elden Ring Wiki

if you dont got this you better be light equipment rolling. pvp borderline unplayable without one or the other

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i would have liked if this strictly applied for active poise rather than passive poise, giving weapons that normally lack it pseudo-hyperarmor

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With talisman on, you can poise through a 2h katana R1 with 0 poise while swinging a halberd. With less than 15 poise and swinging a great hammer, you can poise through every non great weapon 2h r1 and certain weapon arts. This is pretty much useless knowledge unless you really like fashion souls and use a weapon with hyper armor frames. Excluded r2s and jump attacks for obvious reasons.

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I hate how mandatory this is for invasions, theres no anti-blender mechanic like ds3 so you're forced to just deal with getting slapped in the face by 3 people simultaneously half the time

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This should definitely work like the DS1 Wolf Ring. As it stands, all the in-game tooltip tells you is "raises poise", and if you have no poise-granting armor equipped, you will see that's not true. So....the item just lies to you.

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huge mistake making this percentage based. just makes big poise armor even better while keeping lower poise armor irrelevant.

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Due to the nature of Poise (51 poise allows tanking a single hit without being staggered, <51 poise does nothing, <102 poise but above 51 poise also does nothing extra) and the fact that most armor sets in the game do not grant 51 poise, this Talisman is a good solution if you care about both fashion and tanking a hit without being interrupted.

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Best talisman in the game gives an insanely good poise boost while allowing for fashion definitely worth the slot on almost every build other then glass cannons.

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Decreases poise damage by 25%, which basically works out the same as increasing poise by 33% due to fun math.

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poize boyz

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Now all we Poise Bois really need is a weapon/shield that gets a scaling bonus off max poise

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I think it is a great Talisman. Use it don’t. End of story.

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So many comments of people wanting to have their cake and eat it too. Light armor doesn't need higher poise because the whole reason for it is so that lower endurance/lighter weight builds can tank a hit and not instantly die, but the goal overall is to not get hit in the first place and place your attacks proper. Meanwhile heavy armor is more focused around trading while having higher resists. I don't get why you would want to trade in light armor at all when it's clearly not to your benefit.

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I believe this talisman was recently reworked, now it gives you a 33.33 percent increase to your base poise. For example, when I first got the talisman my poise was 41 and after it was 55.

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It should just give flat poise, I think its a bad game design that heavy armors which already have a lot of poise and defences get the most out of this talisman, while for light armors this talisman is useless. As of right now 80% of armor is basically unusable in pvp, which limits build and fashion diversity drastically.

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this should get the greatshield talisman treatment

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There just needs to be a separate talisman, similar to the Blue Dancer one for increased damage with lighter loads, that grants more poise the lower your current poise rating. Basically, the exact opposite of this talisman. That way, light builds have a poise talisman that helps, and so do high poise builds. Problem solved, everyone's happy.

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bool got

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Poise boys friend

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should absolutely give flat poise and not %. percentage based means you get more effectiveness from it the more poise you have, which is obviously counterintuitive. if you have a lot, you don't need more.
its niche should actually be giving poise to low armour setups so people don't have to use this games ugly as **** heavy armour sets to not be useless in pvp.

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i wish this had a flat poise increase too, light armor really needs it.

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If you have problems with the Bear, just use a sleep pot. One is enough to put him to sleep.
Use one again on your way back and you are free.

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Just putting your poise up high enough to tank a two hander swing isn't all you are trying to do. Being able to get staggered less from trash mobs doing one handed lights here and there is a HUGE quality of life consideration. This talisman works in any build with any armor IMO. Not just to stack poise on your bully tank. But hey, having no single hit in the game stagger you must be cool... too bad I may never find out cause you know... Fashion Ring drip > Function.

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Is it just me or does the fact they put that this trinket after that rune bear feel like a joke? Cheers to anyone who through themselves at that runebear repeatedly.

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Bullgoat+Rivers of Blood is the new Havel's+Gold Tracer.

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Wrong description, the Bull-Goat Talisman "Raises Poise". It does not reduce poise damage.

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This is less of a Wolf Ring and more of a reverse Stone Ring from DS2

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This is an interesting change for FromSoft. Before the wolf ring would have diminishing returns, the higher your poise, the less poise the ring gave you, but this ring does better if you have more poise.

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Wow my version of Elden Ring doesn't have Bull Goat Talisman and so many others items, I don't know why that is.

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At least poise in elden ring is better than ds3

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fromsoft game poise discussions

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love being forced to wear ugly **** like veteran's and bullgoats set just because from decided that it'd be a good idea not to make this a flat poise boost like wolf ring

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Sad that having a viable tank build completely relies on a talisman, unless you plan on being over leveled.

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is this talisman useful at all in PVE?

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Reduces incoming poise damage by 25%. This means a 33% poise increase. If you have 30 poise and get attacked for 40 poise damage, the poise damage is reduced by 10, which would be 33% of your poise.

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Pretty amazing talishman, the true benefit does not lie in the fact it stops staggers with smaller caps as we saw with new discoveries but rather that it turns "heavy" staggers into "weak" stagger.

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Bloodhounds step > Poise

I can feel your anger, it gives you conniptions.. makes you saallltyyyy

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Interestingly, the +33.3% poise is basically the same thing as reducing incoming poise damage. 70 poise x 1.333 = 93.31. A Reaper does 93 poise damage one handed, 93 x 0.75 = 69.75. 70 poise to not stagger, although the game would probably show us 93 poise but 93.31 would leave you with 0.31 poise left after getting hit. It would have been better to leave the decimals like in DS3 so we could at least know exactly what we have. They probably didn't want to overcomplicate it and have us reducing poise damage by 25% and ending up with decimals on everything but damn it if that's how it really works then just reflect that.. From hates us figuring out their math

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This talisman is the GOAT.

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It's been discovered that the Bull-Goat's Talisman reduces incoming poise damage by 25%. This is big. This means that you can rest easy at lower poise thresholds with the Bull-Goat's Talisman. Take this 0 poise super armor example. With 0 poise, super armor gives you (0/2) + 30 = 30 poise during your super armor. See, without the Bull-Goat's Talisman, you wouldn't be able to super armor through a dagger 1H R1 (that's 30 poise damage). But with the talisman equipped? The dagger 1H R1 now does 22.5 poise damage (which probably gets rounded down). What's more, with the talisman on, you can even super armor through a dagger 2H R1 (normally 33 poise damage, now 24.75 poise damage).

Now onto a higher poise example. A paired katana L1 does 20 + 40 poise damage. 60. Without the Bull-Goat's Talisman, you can poise through that at 61 or super armor through it at 62 poise. But with the talisman on, the poise damage becomes 15 + 30. 45. You can now spend less weight on armor and poise through that at 46 or super armor through it at 34 poise.

The Bull-Goat's Talisman is now a crutch talisman. And yeah, they kind of had to display the effects in that way (wrongly increasing poise) because how else would they display less incoming poise damage?

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Decreases incoming poise damage by all attacks by 25%. Doesn't actually increase your poise even though the stat listed changes when equipped. Can tank higher poise damaging attacks with very low poise using this, especially considering that collosal weapons and the like will give a minimum amount of poise during attack animations. Way better than it has the right to be, and just as misleading as expected from Zaki the man

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New discovery, it shows that it increases poise but effectively reduces poise damage taken by 25%.

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This ring is a communist, it enriches the people who already have enough (poise) while starving the people who actually need it.

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So unless I use one of those ugly heavy armour sets this wont be as beneficial? What does From have against fashion souls who want some decent poise? Why must I get punished for having drip while those copy pasted veteran and bullgoat people get to enjoy this on top of their already high poise?

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If I already have high poise, why the hell would I need to boost it with this talisman? What is the logic here?

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Its actually better that it is percentage base rather than a flat rate. If your poise is low then you probably shouldn't be investing in this talisman. The reason it isnt flat rate is because it will not benefit the builds that do have high poise. Sure a flat rate would be better for really low poise but you'd get stunned, staggered, and get rekted anyway due to low poise. 33.33% is a very high value; if you want to get the most out of this talisman then invest in some endurance so you can equip armor that give you more poise.

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What do you mean I could just use Great-Arsenal Jar and heavier armor for poise? Do you know nothing about Fashion souls?

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Poise is not good in this game useless item

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Y’all are probably new to souls games. Miyazaki hardly does any weapon balancing in subsequent patches. The game goes the if it’s not broken dont fix it principle. You can do min-max, but it’s not the game is designed for. The only exception is Ringed Knight Twinned GS, that **** has become too absurd that Miyazaki himself has to step in

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"This doesn't fit with my build so it S*CKS !!!"
This entire comment section. A guy even said "i'm 1 poise off the limit i wanted" ... why don't you put ONE point in endurance bro ? It's faster than waiting for the talisman to be patched (patched of -not a bug-).
You liked how it was in DS1 or 2 ? Too bad, this is Elden Ring.

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Please don't turn this flat.

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Oh wow, so this is in that once cave I "noped" out of because of that giant bear. I found this place really early on, but the bear took next to no damage. Does it have an insane health pool to teach us stealth or something?

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Should have flat and percentage increase. I win

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Everybody complaining about how this talisman works better when you already have poise, that's the point.
The trade off for poise is having to level endurance to use it, losing a talisman slot doesn't compare to 40 endurance levels.

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missed opportunity to call this the ramulet

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People crying in the comments cause they can't do their favorite anime cosplay. DEX nerds keep loosing.

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Really should be a flat boost, the trade off really should be chonk armour vs losing out on a talisman slot
Or just beef up the poise on lighter armour a little, I can understand mages getting splattered but I do still want my fashion souls (Blaidd really doesn't look like he should be staggered by a couple knicks hmm?)

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I understand the argument for percentage bonus for high poise builds, but I'd rather It gave flat bonus, so I could have more fashion souls options without being staggered by everything

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should be a flat bonus

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I don't have any stats to confirm it's related to this talisman... but I noticed that with a poise of 133 and using the fingerprint shield, I got hit so hard by the golem dude in the capital that it made me do a somersault backwards and I just landed on my feet without missing a beat. My other characters it would have been like an ant holding up an acorn while getting stepped on by a fat kid.

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This moves poise breakpoints from 51, 56, 63, 111 to 38, 42, 47, 83. If you have 42 poise without it, it's worth using to be able to roll out of a single heavy attack or animal bites. But jump attacks, great weapons, charged attacks, getting hit more than once, most boss attacks will still stagger you.
Great Epee charged attack does ~100*2.5=250 poise damage for instance, often guaranteeing a follow up. Two daggers hits should be around 63.
In most situations, using the great-jar talisman and heavier armor should be better.
Fia's Blessing, Poise Physick, and Ironjar Aromatic last 15/10/40s.

I'm only using it to wear a cool looking hat and armor + heavy greaves and gauntlets and still have 56 poise.

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my vote is make this give a flat 30-40 poise but make it unreasonably heavy. like 5 or more miyazaki's or something.

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If you're looking for Poise to stop getting interrupted during spells or swings: I recommend the Ironjar Aromatic (perfume item, craftable) or the Leaden Hardtear on your Mix Flask. The 10~ 20~ Poise you'll get from this won't change anything.

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Would be great if poise did anything in this game. They totally destroyed heavy weapons in this game because there is no hyper armour worth mentioning to begin with, and every boss staggers you no matter what.

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Why the ****ing hell is it percentage based?
That means that the more poise you have the more you get out of this talisman.
So the people that have low poise and want a boost with this talisman wil get less out of this talisman then players that have the tankiest armor in the game making themselves even tankier.

Thanks Fromsoft big brain

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I have 3 poise and this raises it to 4. That will show these dragonflys not to stagger me by just looking at me!

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ngl, i was hopin this would be flat. even though i have 25 end i dont got any poise cause my 14 poise fasion took priority lmao

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I have 100 Poise(full Bull Goiat Armor) and equipping it gave me 133 so it's exactly a 33% raise in poise.

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Is there a +2 version??

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Is there a +2 version??

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Haha. Bull-goat talisman + Night cavalry chest/arms/legs + a commoner's headband so I can actually see my character's head = 49 poise. Literally 1 short of the required point to power through lighter hits.

Back to the drawing board.

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Add this to some heavy armor and any infusion with a Halberd (I use heavy). You're R1s will hyperarmor through almost every player's stagger and most NPCs

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The simple formula for this ring is as follows:

(Original Poise / 3) + Original Poise = New Poise

Poise breakpoints are still being worked out, but as of right now it seems like you want to be at 51 or higher in order to notice poise actually doing anything for you.
In which case, you'd want at least 39 poise in order for this talisman to give you any noticeable benefit. Otherwise... Maybe use something else.

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Unfortunately poise feels pretty bad in ER. You either get staggered by everything or are an invincible god that cannot be stopped due to the sheer power of your chest hair.

SL 150 dex builds can casually hit 100 poise and turns the meta into a giant dad ninja bleedoffs, complete with the poise flask and complimentary talismans.

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My +5 Leyndell soldier summons kept the great sword guy plenty busy while I piled on the throwing dagger one.

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Passive poise was a mistake. I thought it would be a good idea, but now everyone is stacking poise with status infused heavy thrusting swords. This is getting out of hand.

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Silly that people are complaining that this gives less benefit to those with lower poise. That's exactly the point, it's actually well designed because they made it so it will benefit those who are already engaged in a high poise build. This is fair because having high poise requires stat investment, this talisman rewards the players who have invested in high endurance builds. It wouldn't be well balanced if someone with 20 END could have similar poise as someone with 30 or 40 END. Not to mention strength investment which goes hand in hand with high endurance builds since larger weapons have higher hyperarmor thresholds. Dex and caster builds have their own sets of benefits that strength builds don't, it's reasonable that such builds shouldn't have similar poise to strength builds.

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I like how it's a percentage increase this time. Fire prelate armor wearers will have a good time with this thing.

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To those complaining it isn't a flat bonus like the wolf ring in DS1, PCs in light armor stabbing with knives and casting pew pew spells getting 2/3 the poise they needed to be stun resistant from one item was always silly. PCs who will benefit most now are the ones who already invested in the endurance and probably another talisman to wear the armor with high poise, and even for them that bonus will never be as high as 40. It is fair.

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oh joy, another DS3 wolf ring : i.e. absolutely worthless because once again, poise dosent actually do anything. GG mikiziki.

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Use it for the lols.

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I think a flat 20 poise would have been best. Alternatively, they could make it 40 poise like the wolf ring but also make it really heavy like some of the rings from DS2.

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Why’d they have to make it percentage based? The people who need it the most get almost nothing the ones who need it the least benefit the most.

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Why’d they have to make it percentage based? The people who need it the most get almost nothing the ones who need it the least benefit the most.

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It's on a body not in a chest you ninny

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memories of wolf ring. Sad how they changed it to a goat.

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https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Interactive+Map?id=2962&lat=-166.15625&lng=157.538651&zoom=8&code=mapA

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Seems to raise poise by a percentage of your current poise. At 50 poise, I got an extra 17. At 30 poise, I got 10 more. Looks like 33% bonus.

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33% increase. 56 poise becomes 75, 3 becomes 4, 11 becomes 15.

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where is the cave? I cant find it even in the online map

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where is the cave? I cant find it even in the online map

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I guess that ill need this for my build

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I guess that ill need this for my build

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