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who cares about the nerf, I honestly think it was a bit necessary. I still use it and it's still very viable in a sorcery build, just not broken like it was before

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They should have increased recovery in-between attacks or increased FP cost by a few points. If I'm spending FP on essentially a standard longsword attack, it should hit harder then an actual longsword

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why do pve-only players complain about pvp-only nerfs? i stg none of yall can read

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offhand rapier spam but magic

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offhand rapier spam but magic

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why do pve-only players complain about pvp-only nerfs? i stg none of yall can read

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10 Aug 2023
I think what people are trying to say is that this spell is easily overtaken by Catch Flame, since Catch Flame does way more damage and poise damage than Carian Slicer at the same speed.
Carian Slicer already got a 20% damage nerf in 1.08 which is way too much, I agree it was OP, but it didn't have to be nerfed that much while Catch Flame remains the same, now the only way to make this spell viable is to use Lusat/Regal staff with Carian Glinstone staff off-hand since it boosts melee sorceries damage, but otherwise the damage of that spell isn't that good. And losing direct trades against fast thrusting weapons isn't what I would call a fair change, especially for battle mages.

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Well, they indirectly nerfed this spell. Not that anything changed besides a slight poise damage increase, but now that all other weapons do significantly more poise damage, you'll often find you're losing direct trades. This is probably a fair change, and besides, you could always follow up your slice with a Gavel. It's become a pretty good mix-up. Slicer then either Piercer to roll-catch or Gavel to hyperamor through if they commit.

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Trash spell since the nerf

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Did they buffed the poise damage of this spell?

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Silver Mirrorshield is a decent counter for this.

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I don't care about the nerf. I am the storm that is approaching

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"Has the highest magic damage per FP ratio out of all spells."

That would be discus of light, unless we're talking about sorceries only.

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Wanted to do a melee mage build using the carian glintstone staff and all the sword spells. Currently lvl 90, int 37, cgs level 22, graven school talisman, scorpion charm and a level 9 carian knight sword is stronger. Disappointing build.

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True mages don't need no stinky moonveil! We got a slicer to teach those melee users a lesson!

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First the whining brutes complain that mages refuse to stand still and fight fair, then they complain when mages stand still and fight fair.

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insanely fp efficient, slap on the fp recovery talisman and slice your way through all the trash mobs

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insanely fp efficient, slap on the fp recovery talisman and slice your way through all the trash mobs

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Im always curios why there is no staff damage detection part spamming this spell, the staff always seems to be hitting the enemy.

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Im blown away by the number of complaints about low damage.
...are you just not upgrading your staffs or something?

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I love people complaining about Slicer being nerfed in PvP but not Catch Flame

Sorry mages, but faith is and will always be better than magic, even From acknowledges it that's why they didn't nerf us, go cry more while I cast Barrier of Gold and roll catch you with Catch Flame :)

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swing swing swing
why does thing go so FAST and deal so much damage??? My "mage" so far has just been the same as my dex build, but with int instead of dex, and A LOT more damage.

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Look how they massacred my boy

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How much poise to poise 1 slicer and/or 1 swift pebble? I want to prophet cosplay but swift pebble and slicer are worse than thrust sword.

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Better than moonveil

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Can't believe this got nerfed and meanwhile Catch Flame is still able to do over 700 damage despite doing way more poise damage than Carian Slicer lol

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Never really used this, still won’t. Although, it’s kinda upsetting that “Carina Slicer” is the best INT dps move

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if only this was an Ash of War… so to speak, praise this message !

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Virgins use Moonveil
Chads use Carian slicer

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Even it was nerfed, are people discovering that they can run up roll-catch with this spell in PVP?

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A lot of people complain about the nerf in PvP (I agree it was a bit too much) but I still think it's a very powerful spell!

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The damage on this should be buffed

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Kinda useless in PvP unless you are using lusat glinstone staff and carian glinstone staff off-hand to boost melee sorceries damage by 15%, and even then, it just feels okay.
You are better grabbing a moonveil, does more damage, doesn't cost FP, has a great ash of war, and does actually stun people.

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The range on this should be nerfed

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I didn't even know it was possible to have a stat spread bad bad enough to make carian slicer bad, but the comments on this page have showed me that it must be possible

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Needs to be made into an AoW that you can put on staffs. The worst thing about this spell is FromSoftware's continuing obsession with their item rings, which really hampers the use of this on mage builds - you're firing away, something gets up close to you, you then have to whirl the ring around to Carian Slicer to switch to melee mode, and then back again once the thing in question either backs off or dies. If you have a lot of spells equipped (which, if you're a mage, you usually will), that ring HUD is more of a pain than it's worth in the heat of battle.

AoW on the staff = R1 is caster mode, L2 is melee mode. Add to that the one staff AoW we have (Spinning Weapon) is supposed to be for exactly this but it barely works at all (too slow to activate, weak damage, not the easiest thing to properly aim, leaves you wide open for several frames between the spin finishing and the animation-lock ending), and IMO there's a good case for this being added as an AoW for staffs.

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Good spell, but could be better if it was slightly buffed, just like another person said, Catch Flame is better, more damage and more poise damage.

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Farron Flashsword but worse
Terrible damage and terrible poise damage too
Tried this in duel and invasions and it was so bad

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Lmao this spell is bad in pvp, deal little to no poise damage and easily dodgable, just use a magic infused sword, it is more viable and does more damage

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Need a buff, damage is a bit low, catch flame is better.

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Why am I forced to use both lusat and carian glinstone staff to make this weapon viable?
It needs a damage buff because it's quite trash, only 300 damage per hit

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still better than any melee weapon, why bother lmao

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Does anyone know if millicent prostesics and Rotten winged Insignia boost the damage?

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For anybody that is playing caster for 1st time and is not a souls vet ,from my experience this is still one of the best spells in game.
1.you get in the starting area can be literally on level 1
2.Very low FP / STA consumption
3.has insane base damage - early game magic resistance is not a big issue (For Renala i used a sword as higher upgraded as i got )
4.goes out very quick - great against slow early game boses

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Thank God it was nerfed

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lightsaber vwoom vwoom hehe

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I'm good at PvP. I'm totally not carried by this spell, with minor help from Piercer, Regression, Swift Pebble, Adoula's, and Comet.

Joking aside, this spell is insanely good. With the Glintstone staff in the offhand I can out-trade anyone except fist users. Fist users are the hard counter to this.

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the "i want a sword but i dont want to invest stat points to wield one" spell.

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Do people really think Carian Slicer is bad now? Even with a 20% damage nerf is still find it pretty good for pvp, you just need one hit more to kill but that's it, slicer is as fast as a dagger and does more damage than all straight swords, even with the nerf
I'm myself a mage btw

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From just hate mages... it didnt need a nerf

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This can true combo with a Colossal Sword's crouch poke, but so can Catch Flame, which has much higher MV (225 vs the 180 of this spell) while also not having its damage reduced in PvP by 20%. While it's true that at its most optimal, this spell was too strong, as it is now it's useless to someone who isn't trying to maximize their spell damage and want to use spells as utility with <80 Int and an Azur's Glintstone Staff. Despite not having a cast-speed increasing catalyst and lower spell buff on the account of needing to put points into Dex for maximum cast speed, Catch Flame will deal more damage than this spell in 99% of situations, even in situations where your opponent isn't using Barrier of Gold, and despite that fact that it deals Fire Damage, and everyone has higher innate Fire Defense than Magic Defense. Maybe for dedicated mages it's still usable, but for hybrid casters you'd be better off respecting to use Incantations if you want to combo with a Colossal Sword.

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it does 0.005% less damage now, clearly bad and unusable

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Why do ppl complain this spell has a shorter range than a dagger and is slower...

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Over 1200 hosts vanquished and game beaten all below level 20. Thanks carian slicer I hate them too

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I feel like this should bounce off of large shields, I mean you're probably already so close to the enemy you're hitting them with the staff part so it's not that outrageous to think you can't one hand it against a big hulking shield.

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People whining about the nerf on this have no idea how much damage it does on an optimal setup. Worst case scenario is takes one more swing to kill now, but most of the time it is still going to kill in the same number of hits as it had that high of damage prior. It requiring you to stack passive poise is also a good tradeoff for using it as it can be that devastating.

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Lmao mages crying in comments, it was nerfed ONLY for pvp not pve. Get rekt.

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It swings too fast, needs to be nerfed.

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Damage nerf, sure because it was strong in high level pvp, but the lack of any poise damage in pvp makes this spell unusable now.

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Bas now

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Why they nerfed it? The weapon is bad now!

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The nerf was stupid.

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was nerfed still pretty good but a little more balanced now

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okay so after some testing in pvp this spell is still good. I was hiiting 600 before nerf now Inhit about 505 so not a big nerf. However if you fight someone who buffed themselves with anti magic miracle then the nerf is siganificant, went from hitting around 300 down to 210 or seomthing.

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Was apparently nerfed (pvp only) in 1.08 but still feels good to use with solid damage

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NERFED

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it just got nerfed everybody

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it got nerfed today, back to moonveil boys

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It was nerfed in patch 1.08

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It's telling of how from approached magic in this game that the best spell in the game is the fast melee one.

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Needs a nerf. Damage and speed are way too big.

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Speed of a dagger, damage of a colossal. Fair and balanced.

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They should probably reduce damage but increase poise damage instead to compensate. This way it will fulfill the role of offensive melee weapon while reducing it's stupid high AR. For magesstaggering opponent will be better use than outdamaging him, since mages usually sport low vigor and suck at trading blows.

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a spell so strong it can be an entire build by itself

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the scaling on this is wack. it legit twoshots everything and everyone at level 150

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The damage is a bit high for its speed.

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lusat staff on the right gand and carian staff on the left at 80 int=hitting 600-800 with carian slicer.

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to the anon who posted 3rd NOV saying "mages have it easy" i did not believe the exaggeration until i tried it myself. I was pure melee only built (str/dex), yknow all that cool katanas and straight swords. I've used everything, halberds, axes, great curved swords to great spears to colossal weapons. Now come to the carian slicer, oh my god almost instant attack, and with Carian Regal Sceptor now i have spinning weapon, which acts like a "heavy attack" (ALSO A VERY STRONG ONE TOO, I MUST ADD) and carian slicer and thats all i need... and if i meet any annoying mages i too have far range spells now!

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Why does this hit faster and for more damage than my 900 AR UGS, and for almost no cost? Crutch spell that needs nerfed asap.

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it definetively needs a nerf
too much damage for the low cost
mages actually have it easy wtf

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This, Gavel of Haima and Carian Phalanx is about as close to you can get to cosplaying Margit. I know, different element but reasonably similar animations and weapons.

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"yeah, im a battle mage" *exclusively uses this spell and then gets oneshot by boss*

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Probably the strongest spell in a mage's arsenal - this spell allows you to invest literally nothing into DEX/STR and use this as your melee weapon

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'Carry' ian slicer

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Slap on some robes a magic stick and a sliver frog head and you’ll be the bane of every fight

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Never really understood why people try to use this against me in pvp. I mean im sure it does great damage but im not gonna just stand there and let you cast it.

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This is always in my 1st slot. Efficient in pve, stunlocks many enemies. Excellent in low lvl PvP against anyone that can't poise through it. Great at chasing down with running attack. Low stamina cost, high dmg, fast as hell. No real downside but can be parried.

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This is far and above the most overpowered magic in this game, second being bestial sling. Why bother with Comet Azur when you can do half the setup for the same dps, lots of mobility, and sustainability? The hitbox is also way bigger than it looks like, having by far the most phantom range out of everything in the game. Even more powerful in PvP, taking advantage of latency for even more phantom range, having a very fast moveset, lots of burst damage, very fast rolling attacks, and next to no recovery. Not the most broken thing in the game to be certain, but definitely the most powerful magic.

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no note on it being one of literally 3 sorceries in the game able to be cast while sprinting on torrent?

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whats with this game and making early game gear incredibly good

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Wait how can you use it for critcal strikes whenever I tried to use for backstabs or when I parry it just does a reguler attack

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sure it does absurd damage by itself, but the real magic comes from comboing it with other spells and R1s

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With poor enough connection, it can be true combo

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Went from STR/FTH build in DS3 thinking to be a magical ranged fighter this time around. Ended up turning bosses into a mush with this thing here. 10/10 would recommend

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no point using straight swords when you can just use this. Honestly sword enjoyers should just respec to int

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Really useful spell, low fp cost and decent damage. In the right hands it is deadly. I wish you could dual staves and power stance this spell lol

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This or adulas moonblade? Not sure which slicer is stronger.

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It needs nerf, to much dmg and cast speed with no fp cost, it can be countered, but considering latency and conection problems in souls games it can be realy braindead shredering cancer.

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Ah, yes, the pure caster's panacea.

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