Dragon Communion Seal

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attack power elden ring wiki guide 18Attack
Phy 25
Mag 0
Fire 0
Ligt 0
Holy 0
Crit 100
Inc 60
guarded damage negation elden ring wiki guide 18Guard
Phy 25
Mag 15
Fire 15
Ligt 15
Holy 15
Boost 15

attribute scaling elden ring wiki guide 18Scaling
Fai D
Arc C
attributes required elden ring wiki guide 18Requires
Fai 10
Arc 10
Sacred Seal Strike
No Skill FP -
Wgt. 0 passive effects elden ring wiki guide 18Passive 
Boosts Dragon
Communion Incantations

Dragon Communion Seal is a Sacred Seal in Elden Ring. The Dragon Communion Seal scales primarily with Faith and Arcane, and is a good Weapon for casters that focus on Dragon Communion Incantations

 

Formless drakeblood seal with a dragon communion crest.
Enhances Dragon Communion incantations.

The sacrificial devouring of the heart gives power.
Indeed, Dragon Communion is too primal in nature for the term
"incantation" to be appropriate.
This seal scales incantations with one's arcane attribute.

 

Where to Find Dragon Communion Seal in Elden Ring

The Dragon Communion Seal weapon can be found at the following location:

 

Elden Ring Dragon Communion Seal Notes & Tips

 

Moveset & Videos in Elden Ring for Dragon Communion Seal

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Builds with Dragon Communion Seal

 

 

 

 

Dragon Communion Seal Upgrades in Elden Ring

Please see the Upgrades page to understand the weapon bolstering process.

Requires regular reinforcement with Somber Smithing Stones

This upgrade can't be enchanted with Magic or boosted with Consumables. The Incantation Scaling displayed on this table shows Minimum Requirement and Faith / Arcane 80 as xx-yy.

  Attack Power Stat Scaling Passive Effects Damage Reduction (%)
Dragon Communion Seal Phy Inc Scaling* Mag Fir Lit Hol Sta Str Dex Int Fai Arc Any Phy Mag Fir Lit Hol Bst Rst
Standard 25 106 - 191 - - - - 20 - - - D C Boosts Dragon Communion Inc. 25 15 15 15 15 15 10
Standard +1 28 108 - 209 - - - - 22 - - - D B Boosts Dragon Communion Inc. 25 15 15 15 15 15 10
Standard +2 32 109 - 228 - - - - 24 - - - D B Boosts Dragon Communion Inc. 25 15 15 15 15 15 10
Standard +3 35 110 - 246 - - - - 26 - - - D B Boosts Dragon Communion Inc. 25 15 15 15 15 15 10
Standard +4 39 112 - 264 - - - - 28 - - - D B Boosts Dragon Communion Inc. 25 15 15 15 15 15 10
Standard +5 43 113 - 283 - - - - 30 - - - C A Boosts Dragon Communion Inc. 25 15 15 15 15 15 10
Standard +6 46 114 - 301 - - - - 32 - - - C A Boosts Dragon Communion Inc. 25 15 15 15 15 15 10
Standard +7 50 116 - 319 - - - - 34 - - - C S Boosts Dragon Communion Inc. 25 15 15 15 15 15 10
Standard +8 54 117 - 338 - - - - 36 - - - C S Boosts Dragon Communion Inc. 25 15 15 15 15 15 10
Standard +9 57 118 - 356 - - - - 38 - - - C S Boosts Dragon Communion Inc. 25 15 15 15 15 15 10
Standard +10 61 120 - 374 - - - - 40 - - - B S Boosts Dragon Communion Inc. 25 15 15 15 15 15 10

 

 




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    • Anonymous

      Does anyone else think that this seal looks an awful lot like a cursemark?

      Similarly, the description references “formless drakeblood.” Was the Formless Mother a dragon?

      • Anonymous

        It kinda makes sense that this seal doesnt count Placidusax Ruin as a Dragon Communion incant, from a lore point perspective Dragonlord Placidusax never went out from the Heart of the Storm when the war broke out in Leyndell and judging from the way how Dragon Communion works, they seem to copy and imitate how lesser dragons, and even well known dragons attack so it is likely they no one ever saw him besides you and maybe a select few powerful beings.

        • Anonymous

          damn ppl really complaining about nerfs bc they can't crutch broken gear anymore. guess y'all gotta actually play the game dang so sad.

          • Anonymous

            Buffs Dragon Communion Incantations by 15%.
            Thing I noticed with this is that you don't even have to be using this to get the benefit, just holding it. You can use a different catalyst for scaling reasons and still get the bonus. Makes me wonder if this applies to other catalysts and such

            • Anonymous

              This seal softcaps at 45/45, not 30/45. From 30 to 45 Fth the seal gains one spell buff each point, after that the spell buff drops significantly to less than 1 per point, just like Arcane.

              • Anonymous

                For a STR build with minimal FAI and ARC, using dragon incants.

                Would it be better to use this seal, or the clawmark seal for the STR scaling?

                I’ll test to find the answer.

                • Anonymous

                  At 45 arcane and 30 faith, urgent heal restores 171 hp. At the listed hp per incant scale of 1.15 on urgent heal's page, this means the incant scaling this seal grants from 30 faith is 171/1.15 = about 149.

                  • Anonymous

                    Can confirm status buildup for frenzied burst. Golden order seal requires 2 frenzied burst hit to trigger madness. Dragon seal only one. Tested on okina tarnished summon by spirit calling snail in spiritcallers cave. U guys can test other tarnished only status buildup weapons/spells/incant/ashofwar there

                    • Anonymous

                      For anyone wondering about this on a pure arcane build: at +10, with 80 arcane and 15 faith (15 being the minimum for basic dragon breath attacks) you get an incant of 314, and 319 if you go for 17 faith to use Dragonclaw as well.

                      I'm currently running 80 arcane and 31 faith, which gives me an incant scaling of 355.

                      • Anonymous

                        Nerf to status buildup has actually made the blood incantations worthless. Oh Fromsoft and your scorched earth nerf policies, will you ever learn?

                        • Anonymous

                          What does the arcane scale affect? I’m sure it affects status effects. But does it also affect the damage of incantations?

                          • Anonymous

                            At 60/50 Arc/Fth, I have 353 scaling. I also have 60 int, and Golden Order gets the same. Can't tell which is overall better yet, lol.

                            • Anonymous

                              At 60/50 Arc/Fth, I have 353 scaling. I also have 60 int, and Golden Order gets the same. Can't tell which is overall better yet, lol.

                              • Anonymous

                                With its insane spell buff of 384, it beats any seal and they don't even come close. It's so high in fact that you're better off using this if you want the most damage out of ANY type of incantation, even beastial or fundamentalist, the seals of which scale with 2 stats. Stone of Gurranq with this does REALLY good damage.

                                • Anonymous

                                  Still strong damage wise but i can no longer find a difference between the status build up on this seal compared with any other. Shame.

                                  • Anonymous

                                    anyone got experience with the status effect buildup nerf from patch 1.04 on this guy? I love my seal and im sad cuz it sounds like rotten breath wont proc so easily now

                                    • Anonymous

                                      It honestly feels like madness increasing was an entirely unintended result given the fact that the madness seal scales with everything EXCEPT arcane. Either that or the balancing is seriously even worse than I thought

                                      • Anonymous

                                        I'm offended that you have to associate yourself with stupid-ass dragons if you want your incantations to scale with arc. I'm here for the Tres, Duo, Unus, not for flying away and spewing magma like a little coward.

                                        • Anonymous

                                          30FTH/45ARC is definitely the sweet spot for this seal.

                                          - 15FTH/45ARC = 278 scaling
                                          - 20FTH/45ARC = 291 scaling (+13 scaling)
                                          - 25FTH/45ARC = 305 scaling (+14 scaling)
                                          - 30FTH/45ARC = 318 scaling (+13 scaling)
                                          - 35FTH/45ARC = 324 scaling (only +6 scaling per 5 points of faith)

                                          On the other side of the spectrum, adding 5 ARC (for a total of 50) only receives 323.5 (rounded up to 324) scaling in a 30FTH/50ARC setup, which shows the same diminishing returns as faith in the 35FTH/45ARC example. TLDR: 30FTH/45ARC and go clap some cheeks.

                                          • Anonymous

                                            IDK how accurately spell buff determines damage, but this is the way to go for the highest spell buff: 384 at 80 ARC. Godslayer seal reaches 304 at 70 FTH so i assume it won't even get close.

                                            • Anonymous

                                              So I’ve seen that this increases the build up of madness, but does it also increases the build up of blood loss and poison with spells like swarm of flies and poison mist? I did a little testing on different enemies but I couldn’t really see a difference.

                                              • Anonymous

                                                I think I have a bug regarding skill use?
                                                So I have an ash of war on a dagger (bloodhound's step) on left hand and on right hand I have dragon communion's seal and I get the "No skill" for my trigger. Swapping to other weapons displays the correct skill. If I swap right/left around, the step skill shows up just fine. Or am I doing something very wrong here? lol

                                                • Anonymous

                                                  Keep in mind because of the dual scaling the soft cap for arcane is 60 so going past that isn’t worth it. After 60 arcane leveling faith will increase your damage more despite having only B scaling.

                                                  • Anonymous

                                                    Does this seal buff the dragon cult incantations, or just the ones gained through spending dragon hearts at the churches?

                                                    • Anonymous

                                                      If I’m mostly using dragon incantations but I’m Str/Faith instead of Faith/Arcane, is it better to use this or the Clawmark Seal?

                                                      • Anonymous

                                                        I'm genuinely confused at some of these comments. If you are going for Arcane/Faith builds then going down the route of bleeding is basically a must, so why are people wasting precious FP on terrible and pointless weapon buffs like Bloodflame blade when they could just level arcane up to 60 and Faith at 25 to cover the bases of the better Faith buffs and have a good stepping stone for applying bleed to weapons via black whetstone while also having the Arcane increase bleed on weapons like Rivers of blood and Elenora's Poleblade? Like....thats the main point of Arcane and the Faith damage equivalents are just absolutely pitiful and useless compared to the Arcane/Faith hybrid blood spells so I'm just genuinely confused why someone would level Faith so much when it provides so little past 25.....yall in these comments are just really bad at building builds lol. The spells are basically just a bonus to your melee build and some of you seem to think the Faith part of the Arcane/Faith builds is for some reason doing more damage and its just genuinely confusing as hell when that's not the main point of Faith spells just by looking at the fact a majority of Faith spells are buffs and removal of debuffs. Some of these comments really just go to show some of the people who comment have a blatant misunderstanding of the game at a fundamental level and it's just sad.

                                                        • Anonymous

                                                          Not bugged. If weapon buffs and heals scaled with the arcane what would be the point in making a faith build over arcane?

                                                          • Anonymous

                                                            i dont know why they didnt make faith and arcane separate things. it's almost impossible to build a viable arcane/faith build without overleveling like mf...

                                                            • Anonymous

                                                              30 faith 45 arcane gives a fully upgraded seal 318 scaling, and going to 45 faith gives only 18 scaling. For a purely dragon communion build, I would stop there and invest into 60 vigor and mind before going back to faith.

                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                3 videos covering builds utilizing this seal.
                                                                Zero videos covering how to obtain said seal without tearing your hair out >_>

                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                  332 incant scaling + 10 with 32 FTH (enough for wog) and 56 arcane (occult infusion softcap). Top tier for offensive incants, whilst only faith is considered for healing and weapon buffs.

                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                    Is it not just 1 stonesword key needed to get access into the area? I just went here again a few days ago on second playthrough and pretty sure it was only one needed. The imp statue is to the left of the fog. I don't remember using two on my first playthrough either- or any fog doors needed two.

                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                      Its weight of 0 makes this seal great for non-casters with baseline faith/arcane, since with the stat boost from Godrick's Great Rune you have access to Heal, Bestial Vitality and Flame Cleanse Me without spending a single level.

                                                                      • at +10, 99 arcane and 99 faith, the incant scaling is 415. This does not increase with Faithful Canvas Talisman.
                                                                        at +10, 50 arcane and 50 faith, the incant scaling is about 340.

                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                          Here are my tests, using BLACK FLAME on the giant.
                                                                          Dragon Communion Seal+5 about 650 damage
                                                                          Godslayer's Seal+12 approx. 550 damage
                                                                          Fai 28
                                                                          Arc 50
                                                                          It seems that the gain of this seal is better for blood samurai.
                                                                          Even though different seals and glinstone staves have buffs for Incantations and Sorceries, I think it's best to match your own numerical curve gain to the seals and glinstone staves, right?

                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                            Can confirm that as of 1.03.2 Arcane scaling still does not work for Weapon buffs (e.g. Bloodflame Blade, Electrify Armament). Arcane scaling DOES however work for direct damage spells (e.g. Fireball, Lightning Bolt).

                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                              Did a bit of testing on my own because I wanted to figure out how to do as much damage with frenzy spells as possible (for those wondering, this seal won by a mile v.s. the frenzied flame seal). Seems like the soft caps for stats on this (and possibly all hybrid catalysts, I didn't test that far) are 30 and 45. Even after 45 though, putting points into Arcane gave back about a 1 to 1 increase in Incant scaling, roughly equivalent to how much Incant scaling Faith gives between 30 and 45. Absurdly good if you intend to do a lot of damage via incantations, obviously not important if you are just looking for a seal to cast buffs.

                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                I've seen a few comments throwing around slightly incorrect stuff. Dragon Communion Seal's weapon buffs scales from your + AR from it.

                                                                                At 61 + 123, my Ripple Blade received 57 fire damage from Bloodflame Blade, despite my Incantation Scaling of 318. 57/123 = roughly 0.45, which is the multiplier for Bloodflame Blade's modifier.

                                                                                I'm uncertain to whether this is purely for Bloodflame Blade, but I've been getting other confusing results. For instance, when my Arcane decreases by 8, my Incantation Scaling goes up but the Seal's scaling goes down. I think this is just horribly bugged.

                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                  You can stop at 45 arcane. Like split casting tools in the past, it's best to split the stats between fth and arc. As higher faith will let you hit the spell casting requirements. 47/45 you can stop and it wont feel like your wasting stats.

                                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                                    Man now It makes sense that I found myself not having a way to do good melee damage with my dragon knight (full faith/arc). I was wondering why weapon buffs were so bad at 50fth/50arc. Hope this will be patched soon.

                                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                                      As of 1.03.1 the Weapon Buff Incants cast with this Seal are still bugged, and only scale off of the Faith scaling, not the Arcane. Hopefully this is fixed soon, would like to see how well Bloodflame Blade scales with this on an Arcane build.

                                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                                        I have 80 Arcane, 45 Faith, after testing my incantation enchants like electrify, volk's dragonbolt, bloodflame, it seems that no matter how much you incantation scaling on your dragon communion seal is, the spells scale off only faith, not arcane.

                                                                                        At 46 faith, I have 237 scaling on my gravel stone, 230 on Erdtree, and 373 on my dragon communion. Both Erdtree and Gravel stone give me a bigger buff then dragon communion because they have S faith scaling.

                                                                                        TLDR - Incantations scale off faith, not seals

                                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                                          "Will increase the build up of status effect that spells cause, like madness for Frenzied Burst"

                                                                                          Does anyone have evidence of this or know why this would be the case? Seems kind of random for this seal specifically.

                                                                                          • 29 FAI, 55 ARC, +10 (Somber) Dragon Seal, 325 Incant Power: Bloodflame Blade Buff = +58 damage. Lightning Armament Buff = 110 damage.
                                                                                            Now, same stats but +12 (Regular) Finger Seal, 155 Incant Power: Bloodflame Blade Buff = +62 damage. Lightning Armament Buff = 116 damage.

                                                                                            I cannot see how this can be intended. Buffs should scale from raw incantation power given by a chosen seal, not just one stat. As it stands right now I literally have to carry a 2nd seal around just for buffing, which isn't a super big deal but it doesn't feel good. If this is intended, at least Bloodflame Blade buff should scale with Arcane.

                                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                                              Not sure why they went arc with this instead of fai. Any weapons good str and arc besides blasphemous blade? Was planning a dragon knight type build but under the impression it was gonna be more fai than arc.

                                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                                Another curiosity about the use of "tools" - according to the files, the seal does not strengthen the dragon communion, but the frenzied flame.

                                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                                  I wish there was a FTH/ARC weapon tho, I like this seal but with Occult weapons being non-buffable & no Arcane weapon having Faith scaling, there's no way to have a weapon that scales with both Faith & Arcane :(

                                                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                                                    As long as you are not interested in spells with higher-end FTH requirements, this seal is an excellent choice due to how well it scales with ARC, allowing it to synergize with all sorts of fun and/or broken ARC weapons, as well being an extremely effective casting tool if you ever decide to switch to 99ARC for some rare drop farming.
                                                                                                    Speaking from experience, I've been running 27FTH/45ARC on my DEX+ARC+Incantations (recently re-speced into STR+ARC+Incantations) character for the longest time (27 specifically being there for Crucible incantations). A +10 DCS with 27FTH/45 ARC gives a respectable 310 Incant Scaling.
                                                                                                    Re-specing all points from ARC into FTH and STR with a +25 Clawmark Seal produced about 90 less Incant Scaling compared to DCS before the re-spec, so my estimation is that for a mixed melee+incant build, DCS is a much better choice, because Clawmark requires you to invest much more heavily into STR and FTH to reach the same numbers, probably to the detriment of something like Mind, at which point using incantations stops being practical, and you are better off just hitting things with your weapon.

                                                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                                                      저렙구간에선 그냥 부패용도 그뿐.. 2스텟을 마춰야하는데 거의 160렙이후가되는데 회차용으론 쓸만할듯..
                                                                                                      근데 기적으로 회차도는니 만능마법이 있고 출혈빌드까지 너무좋은게 많다는게 함정. 미친불인가도 써봤는데 너무느림... 기량까지 가춰야함 미친스텟ㅋㅋ

                                                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                                                        Can anyone confirm a soft cap? I'm running out of respecs ATM and it don't show your inc scaling in the stat window while doing it.. please and thanks

                                                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                                                          This seems pretty weird imo, actually im using this sacred seal and i have 277 inc, the fire + hemorrage incant gives me +51 fire dmg then i removed my +8 arcane helmet and equiping the +3 arcane helmet, swapped weapons and recasting the fire + hemorrage incant still giving me +51, again i removed my helmet (now no helmet) and equip the +5 faith talisman, with this i had 273 inc and the fire+hemorrage incant gives me +56 fire damage:

                                                                                                          Stats i have:

                                                                                                          24 FAI 40 (+8) arcane with this seal at +8 a total of 277 incantation power -> +51 fire damage
                                                                                                          24 FAI 40 (+3) arcane with this seal at +8 a total of 269 incantation power -> +51 fire damage
                                                                                                          24(+5) FAI 40 arcane with this seal at +8 a total of 273 incantation power -> +56 fire damage

                                                                                                          I dont get it why having more incantion power i have less fire damage i think BLOODFLAME BLADE incantation only gets boosted by FAI scaling or maybe is this sacred seal bugged? Can someone explain this please?

                                                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                                                            I see that this wiki states that it helps with spell status buildup because it has arcane scaling. This means its the same as melee weapons that have arcane and status? For example, if I pump up my arcane with this, will the amount of bleed my blood spells apply increase? If so, this sounds amazing

                                                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                                                              Question: does Placidusax's Ruin count as Dragon Communion incantation? And if no: why the hell not?? It's a dragon flame like the others right? Logically it fits perfectly in with the rest. And it's right after Borealis's Mist in the spell list, followed by Dragonclaw so seems like the game agrees in a way...

                                                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                                                How many skill points do you have to put into the Arcane stat for this to be your general all purpose seal with negligible incant differences compared to the other talismans but you're boosting some of the best faith spells with it's passive?

                                                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                                                  I got an INCAT scale at 368 with faith at 50 ARC at 60 and seal +10. Best seal for frenzy flame can confirm. Deal 1700 damage and instant madness build up using this seal. Great seal. Best one for frenzy imo. The frenzy seal scales by dex, strength etc. making it hard to scale. Whereas arcane and faith alone is great. Try using frenzy flame with the dragon communion seal.

                                                                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                                                                    is there any reason why i cannot use the dragon communion seal ? I'm a astrologer but I would like to dabble with some incarnations but for some reason it wont let me equip it?

                                                                                                                    • Dual Seal boost to dragon incantations confirmed.

                                                                                                                      Tested with Dragonclaw, Dragonfire, and Dragonmaw on the Jelly that is next to the Grace in the Church of Dragon Communion.
                                                                                                                      Dragonmaw and Dragonfire were done at point-blank range to lower damage at a distance variation.
                                                                                                                      Dragonclaw works best when landing the claw on your target, so I tried to aim at that range.
                                                                                                                      Holding the Seals but not actively equipped has no effect (in case anyone asks).
                                                                                                                      Casts were also not charged.

                                                                                                                      Stats:
                                                                                                                      I - 15
                                                                                                                      F - 32
                                                                                                                      A - 50
                                                                                                                      Both seals were +4 (not duped, if that's even possible in this game as of yet)
                                                                                                                      Armament power showing as 102 for both.
                                                                                                                      Incant Scaling is 235 for both
                                                                                                                      No equipment other than the seals and Godrick's Great Rune were active.

                                                                                                                      Damage
                                                                                                                      Dragonclaw: 1326 (2 seals) / 1155 (1 seal)
                                                                                                                      Dragonmaw: 2108 (2 seals) / 1836 (1 seal)
                                                                                                                      Dragonfire: 341 (2 seals) / 297 (1 seal)

                                                                                                                      Using both seals seems to give roughly 15% boost to damage due to the perk. Unfortunately, since my seals are already +4 I dont have the ability to give a valid comparison between using this vs a non dragon communion seal. I'd still expect about a 15% boost to your dragon incantations when used in comparison with another non-dragon seal, just based on having the two vs the one equipped.

                                                                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                                                                        This seal softcaps at 30 FTH and 45 ARC, for 318 Spell Incant at +10. Adding either FTH or ARC after this cap only adds ~1 (can be 0-2 depending on floating decimals) Incant Scaling per level.

                                                                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                                                                          Is there any sort of bonus to the blood incantations (bloodflame blade/talons, bloodboon, swarm of flies) when casted using this? I've heard, in order for build up to scale from arcane, the weapon used must have some arcane scaling; even if it inherently has the bleed like the morning star, or uchi.

                                                                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                                                                            It seems like its not just the communion spells it boosts; maybe it is a scaling difference, but it has a few less scaling then my currently leveled seal, yet its throwing the Dragon Lighting incantations for more damage

                                                                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                                                                              At 36 Faith and 45 Arcane, this has a scaling of 325 at +10. That arguably makes it the best seal in the game.

                                                                                                                              (36 Faith is needed to cast all of the best Faith incantations, and 45 Arcane is the softcap on this seal)

                                                                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                                                                Incantation scaling for 'hybrid' seals like the Dragon Communion Seal appears to soft cap at 30 / 45 for both stats.

                                                                                                                                Credit to 'Drake Ravenwolf' and '12cha Nessa!' for their testing and contributions to the Steam Community forums.

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