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This could've been the faith version of the Fallingstar Jaw, but no... we got Endure, the thing absolutely no one uses after passing RL30

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They really did dirty to this poor weapon... the AOW is terrible, why can't we charge it up with Lighting like the Draconic Tree sentinel does!?

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I never used this weapon in vanilla and I'm glad I never did, having a generic aow without the ability to change it is so dissapointing. Dragon Smasher goes hard in reforged.

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Consumes the least stamina of any colossal. Useful when stat points are tight

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Ugly ahh weapon and it sucks. Why should I use it? I shouldn't.

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I really struggle to see where this wespon even fits. Underwhelming performance in general for a colossal weapon and it's niche of being effective against dragons turns out to be worse than simply using dragonwound grease or vike's dragonbolt on a regular weapon. Heck, even the axe of godrick has better results.

If they plan to buff it in the future, let it be the red lightning base damage and make it 20% more effective against dragons, because right now even the troll hammer outshines it by a wide margin.

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Why does it have such shitty AoW? Draconic Tree Sentianl summens fkn red lightning with it, why are we stuck with generic fkn endure? Whats the point of somber weapons if they are not unique?

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It could've been the Dragon Tooth of Elden Ring, yet it's pretty much a glorified giant wet noodle

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On my quality build (50/50) this thing has the highest possible AR so far at 956 with a lightning clutch ring. Between that, being the lightest colossal and having an excellent damage type I'm not sure why this gets so much hate

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Now has c scaling in dex

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Two things that would make this weapon better:
1.) A unique AoW that would basically be a Red Lightning variant of Regal Beastclaw

2.) Strength scaling bumped up to at least B

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This thing needs a real buff,after several patches this thing is still under powered, every time I’ve beaten the draconic tree sentinel I just put the weapon in storage.

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Really wish this had a unique version of endure. It'd be dope as hell if the endure also gave a red lightning buff.

Dragonscale blade/dragon halberd get frost lightning versions of standard aow. A red lightning version of endure would fit thematically and make up for not having a truly unique aow.

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From software logic: tooth > claw

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Why does this not do pierce damage?

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Dude…this thing is underpowered??? I’ve been running train on literally everything in this game with the dragon great claw.

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Dragon Tooth after 11 years of opioids

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Give the shield Thunderbolt (but red) and give the weapon lightning slash (but red)

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They should allow this one to be able to use ash of wars and then when DLC comes out put a scarab or something where you can get a Draconic Tree Sentinel ash of wars. Same thing for the shield by giving us a Thunderbolt ash of war only usable on geatshields.

Because as of right I'd rather use a Brick Hammer with lightning on than this garbage.

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really sad that this doesn't get a cool lightning themed AoW.

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should've had a red ancient dragon version of the thunderbolt ash of war

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Even if underpowered, this weapon still has good use as ancient dragon killer for a strength build.

14 dexterity isn’t a huge asking price.

Ancient Dragons’ Lightning Strike incantation is absolutely bonkers at killing ancient dragons, but costs 26 Faith. Clawmark Seal makes the damage scale with strength.

Otherwise, there is no other easy way for a strength build to deal a ton of red lightning damage.

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Everyone’s talking about the ash but the base damage/scaling is the real issue. It should have been a lightning golden halberd with strike instead of thrust... but it doesn’t even do strike damage, it does physical despite clearly being a bludgeon. I compare it to golden halberd because it’s the same stats, comes from a tree sentinel and golden halberd has extremely high base damage... so this should have been even better base damage with the trade off of slower move set.

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A quick fix for this weapon could be add a unique interaction with Vyke's dragonbolt, buffing the weapon and adding AoE attacks to the Endure AoW.

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A quality colossal that you cant infuse.

Hmm, yes, but why tho

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Hope they give this weapon a proper ash of war call it sentinels lightning slam where it works exactly as it does with the draconic tree sentinel. Also perhaps a draconic lightning call ash of war on the dragonclaw greatshield and fix the scaling on both. Then a draconic tree sentinel cosplay would be possible

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This weapon's endure should give a lightning buff to the weapon, to compensate for the trash damage and the user a Dragonbolt blessing. All in red lightning, how good. A unique variant of endure would be nice, similar to dragon halberd spinning slash or river of blood corpse piler (double slash)

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Bad dragon

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It could've been the faith version of the fallingstar beast jaw, but an underwhelming and close to useless ash of war made it mostly overlooked and one of the worse colossals.

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should be red lightning slash with bigger lightning aoe.

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This could have just had the thunderbolt skill colored red and a lot more people would probably use it

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Actually this weapon is a decent choice for second colossal in offhand, has lower weight and need sombers to upgrade.

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Stank

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What is the point of this trash weapon?

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I guess 'Endure but you can also press R2 for a big attack + lightning buff' was too much work lol. I hope with the fantastic patches they've been doing they'll update some of these disappointing, never-used weapons. It'd be a simple way of breathing some more life into the game.

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The sad reason why it is neither buffable nor infusable is because this weapon "basically" always has Dragonwound Grease on it. It is slightly less effective than the actual grease effect only against Ancient Dragons, since the Grease deals 20% more damage, whereas any weapon which deals extra damage against dragons, will have its effect reduced by half, hence this Greathammer only deals 15% more.

Still though. It is a nice little thing to remind.

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pure trash

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So hear me out for a second. This is the lightest weight colossal weapon, tied with the troll hammer—meaning it uses less stamina to swing, works well powerstanced, and is longer than half the weapons in it's class. Now for the real kicker: because of how softcaps work on unique weapons this is actually a dexterity colossal baby... at least as much as a colossal can be. Because both the physical and lightning scale with dexterity, it greatly outpaces strength investment until you have about 70 levels to throw away; at which point it finally becomes a quality weapon. So here's my advice if you want to build around this bad boy, level your strength until you meet the base requirements then just ignore it. Then keep pumping dexterity until you reach 47. Dump the rest into endurance to powerstance and become a beefcake. There, between endure and your armor you should be nigh unkillable. Have fun kids.

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It's not a BAD weapon, it just doesn't feel like a UNIQUE weapon. It needed just a little more. A unique Endure, like the Dragon Halberd's spin slash, would have been a perfect, low-budget addition. Keep the Endure animation, but add an instant, "SHAZAM!"-style lightning strike that deals damage in a small AOE around you and leaves you with the red lightning body buff.

Make it a Roar, too, if you take yours with extra nuts.

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They seriously couldn't have at least slapped lightning slash onto it?

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Dude, lvl 176, Str 50, Dex 50. Axe Talisman and Claw Talisman. This weapon Deals Damage 1H 869, 2H 912. Definitely Recommend for Quality builds.

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It's a good weapon. I put 80 points in strength and 80 in dexterity. With that, I duel wield Giant Crushers and duel wield the Dragon Greatclaws. The Dragon Greatclaws do more damage (even with Thunderbolt ash on Crushers) than the Crushers and use less stamina. The only reason when I switch between the two is when I deal with dragons (30% more dmg against dragon type enemies) or I'll want the crushers to smash enemies shields and break their stance (bosses and knights). It does have a crappy AoW but the red lightning does its own damage without needing anything. They are a good colossal weapon...you just need to keep up with Dexterity for it to benefit you.

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imagine
A. at least B strength scaling
B. if it had a unique ash of war where you run forward a short distance, dragging it on the ground behind you. then transition into a upwards swing with a red lightning effect. maybe the lightning even sticks around on the weapon as a buff for like 45 seconds or something, idk. this weapon could have been something, instead you are literally better off using a giant tree branch

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What the ****. It's literally another firelink coiled sword issue. The weapon art or ash **** is even worse. What the actual **** are you smoking fromsoftware. This game sucks

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Only gave it endure because of it thematically being similar to Havel's Dragon Tooth from DS1-DS3. There are a million other better attacks that the Tree Sentinels uses that they could have pasted onto this instead. Such a waste.

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For anyone wondering why the AR is so low compared to other colossals, that's because this is actually a quality/DEX weapon despite what the scaling tells you. Just get to 30 STR and pump the rest into DEX to maximize damage. The reason for this phenomenon is that lightning damage in this game scales with DEX.

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The bruh weapon of elden ring

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Draconic Tree Sentinels get crazy lightning attacks and we get endure as a weapon skill? WTF, FromSoft?

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Dragon Tooth, but if it was just a complete disappointment.

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Pros: Light for a Colossal weapon, relatively low stat requirements, +30% dmg bonus on normal Dragon-type enemies and +15% on Ancient Dragons, hits with Lightning as well as Physical damage.

Cons: Literally. Everything. Else.

If you never upgrade any weapons AND never up your stats beyond the minimum to wield this thing, the damage boost against dragons might be nice. But other than that, it's hopelessly nerfed; the base damage and scaling are so piss-poor that upgrading weapons or yourself will cause it to get quickly outclassed by almost anything else, even against dragons.

Unless FromSoftware un-nerfs it in a future patch, don't waste your time, runes, or Somber Stones.

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no unique weapon art and bad scaling
now this is a bruh moment

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For the life of me i cannot understand why this weapon is the way it is. The gate to the middle of the game is draconic tree sentinel, and when he uses this, it is a red lightning spewing, spine smashing machine. Yet for some reason when it drops to it becomes a wet noodle with endure locked in. Bad scaling, bad ability. Save your stones tarnished.

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Couldn't they just give this thing a red lightning buff with endure that would make this so much better

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It looked so much cooler when the malformed sentinel one-shotted me with it at the top of the steps. Best save your stones fellow tarnished, and put those foolish ambitions to rest.

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I have no clue how this one slipped through the cracks. One of the worst weapons for PVP or PVE. It's light for a colossal weapon, but that's where the list of pros ends. Cons include needing a full on quality build to even get respectable damage, abysmal split damage, the poor colossal weapon moveset, and possibly the worst ash of war on any unalterable weapon. I'm hoping there's a patch that puts a more suitable unique ash of war on this thing that mimics the lift and slam of the draconic tree sentinel who uses it and also buffs it with lightning for a respectable period of time like 60 seconds. The long buff wouldn't be too much to ask considering the base damage is so low.

Only reason I can think to use this is if you're cosplaying the son of a draconic tree sentinel in the capital who wants to fight alongside his dad.

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I love the fact that you cannot even enchant this thing with red lightning or something. And it's supposed to be an endgame weapon. Looks like a big f*ck you to me.

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They gave this thing endure? Really? They didn’t give it an Ancient Lightning Slam? Wtf From…

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This needs a unique Ash of War, one that should imbue the weapon with red lightning & slam the weapon repeatedly similar to how the Sentinels themselves attack, while then leaving the red lightning effect for 45 seconds which adds say, 75-100 bonus lightning damage ontop of the base damage.

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This could have been such a cool quality weapon concept, with phys being influenced mostly by strength and lightning influenced with dex like the veteran's prosthesis, unfortunately it has very little going for it, even at 60/60 it's fairly weak compared to the other large quality weapons like the wheel and bloodhound fang. Doesn't even shine against dragons since they're innately pretty tough against lightning and its horseback moveset is sluggish as with all colossals

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No lightning boo

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It was so cool when the Tree Sentinel used it, hurling thunderstorms everwhere...

Now when it's mine, the ash of war is 'Endure'. What the hell. The Sentinel doesn't even use that. This makes no sense of gameplay wise and lore wise.

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The ash is ok but the damage is what makes this unusable. It will literally lose trades to straight swords all while getting cut down for being slow. PVE is even worse since bosses don’t flinch and bonus dmg to dragons is still less dmg than other options. Also, it does standard damage not strike like I assumed. The most efficient way to use this is raw because I can tell you 54 str was wasted stats when I tried it. Most efficient way to use this is on spell caster, primarily for fashion, but the ash can be used to poise cast spells while also intimidating people and using r1s to roll catch/hyper armor. Dragon cult spells obviously, since they hit really hard and consistently even with only 40 fth. Honed bolt still chains casts with thunder strike in 1.05

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Most disappointing AOW ever. Even a red lightning version of the Lightning Slash would be better than that unchangeable vanilla ass AOW

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Was going to use it because I thought it was like the Dragonslayer Greataxe from DS3 biggest disappointment ever man :(

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It’s not viable as a main weapon in pvp. 14 dex 54 str two handed, maxed out and doing 310 damage on an r1 bad. You will literally lose trades even with Endure on. It’s moveset is pretty bad too so even if it got the literal double damage buff it needed, it would be viable but still bad. Against tanky players it did 300-400 dmg on r1s and 500-600 dmg to mages or if it was raining. Rain noticeably increased damage. R2s were in the 450-800 dmg range, prolly due to over coming resistances. Literally needs to do double damage to be viable in pvp.

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Absolutely needs a buff. Even if the damage and scaling aren’t improved, have the decency to slap a cool unique ash of war on it. Maybe like a version of Determination/RKR that adds 60-80% of your AR as lightning damage to your next attack and a shockwave. You know, like the goddamn boss that uses it has.

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Possibly the most dissapointing Elden Ring weapon. Would be cooler if you could switch out the Ash of War or buff w/ red lightning

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If they gave it the same weapon art as dragon slayer greataxe from dark souls 3 it would be so much better.

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AoW should have been Ancient Dragon Thunder Bolt.

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What an absolute let down.

Boss has cool attacks. We get his stuff. Aaaaand it's just boring old generic WA's.

The WA for this weapon should have been a red lightning slam that buffed the weapon with red lightning with a follow up attack that's the bosses beeg slam that throws out a wave of red lightning.

With the shield getting either the red lightning bolt or red lightning storm attack the boss uses.

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Imagine if fromsoft could just copy/paste the weapon art that the dragonslayer's greataxe had and then made the lightning red. Would literally be perfect, even the draconic sentinels themselves have the same red lightning slam attack.

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Looks super cool, boss what drops it has a lot of interesting attacks, but weapon art is ass and cannot be changed. Such a shame

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So it’s the Dragon Tooth from Ds3, with the same skill as well.

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At least let me use Vyke's Lighting on it or SOMETHING, FromSoft. Garbage scaling, garbage AoW, garbage split damage numbers and you can't even give us the saving grace of the ability to buff it? Who pissed in the dev's cornflakes the morning this weapon was made?

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man i could even accept a generic skill on this as long as it wasn’t endure? such a bad skill thst takes like 2 seconds to use and only lasts for 1, meaning you’re better off just blocking at that point.

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man i could even accept a generic skill on this as long as it wasn’t endure? such a bad skill thst takes like 2 seconds to use and only lasts for 1, meaning you’re better off just blocking at that point.

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Ah, Dragon's Tooth. It seems Havel has transcended universes.

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Remember: Lighting is a Dex thingy now (with the exception of Lighting Incantions), don't be afraid to try this on a Quality Build.

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Guys, a pattern I've noticed is most dragon type weapons are strong against other dragons. Is this considered one of those where it does an extra 20% against dragons? I notice the wiki doesn't details this even though other Dragon Themed weapons do so. Maybe its this weapons special perk for colossal types?

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wish it did a better weapon art/ash of war, like maybe what the dragon slayer greataxe did.

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So, is this a club?

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Havel the gravel

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Feels like a such a missed opportunity:( with some cool red lightning ash and better stats would have been my main weapon.

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Likely bug: guard stability goes down when upgraded to +10. Can confirm the table above is accurate to in-game.

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The shield is actually good. The weapon is not really helpful and even for lightning damage I would rather use dragon halberd with it's weapon skill.

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Imagine being engaged so bad at souls games that you don't understand what dual weilding the bad boys does

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Imagine being engaged so bad at souls games that you don't understand what dual weilding the bad boys does

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despite it saying it does standard damage in game it does strike damage on the r1s atleast, it does 7 times the damage that a lightning infused duelist greataxe does against crystallians despite having 100 less ar. it has both less physical and lightning damage.

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people seriously underestimate Endure, because most people haven't even tried it in PVP. If you are in a duel with someone, use endure when the opponent is about to hit you, you gaine hyperarmor and +50% damage absorbtion, you win every single trade with endure in a 1v1 scenario.

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This is my favorite weapon in the game. So underrated. Endure is perfect for this you just have to learn use it. People have to understand that dmg is not most important

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the fact that both draconic tree sentinel weapons have no unique ashes of war is pathetic, at least normal tree sentinel shield is unique but this guys **** is just plain in need of reworks

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Desperately needs some buffs, at the very least a non-garbage weapon skill. Why can't we get the same lightning buff as the Draconic Tree Sentinel?

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Has anyone had any good experiences with this on a quality build?

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No faith scaling yet has lightning split damage as well as being locked into a really basic and boring weapon art despite the boss having a wide variety of cool looking ancient dragon lighting attacks. Big contender for most disappointing weapon in the game

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such a sad weapon

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bro they could have at least given this thing the dragonslayer greataxe weapon art instead of just endure

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My beloved.

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C Scaling in Strength at +10. No custom Skill even though we see a million different attacks that boss it drops from does that they could have pasted onto this. This weapon needs a rework.

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Ooof, one the weirdest weapons: despite of its scaling its a pure quality weapon that does 913 while two handed split damage on 60/60 quality build, mind you there is no stat in the game that raises lighting defense and that thing will take advantage of that, but the skill it has is mainly defensive while it is as short as a great club...
I have a mixed feeling on this....

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