Erdtree Greatshield | Elden Ring Wiki

A holy shield designed to counter mages? Havel smiles upon us

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you don't know what you've missed when you could set yourself ablaze and magic machine gun everything

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It makes sense that it can't parry the night spells, but why the hell can't it parry the Ice Spear AoW?

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You can use the skill freely by parrying your own Discus of Light spell.
Discus of Light = 3 FP
Golden Retaliation = 4 FP
Surely, it's not much effective in real combat, but you can spend 7 FP for depleting a half of enemies' hp bar in one hit which is insane.

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its a shame that the game's best spell spam defense is restricted to str builds. the black hole spell doesn't really cut it.

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Can't block night spells because they weren't op enough already i guess

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I have a question
If cast a spell and the opponent parry it with this the upcoming spell back from this shield may I could parry it again with carian retaliation for example or not ?

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I love this shield because it can't counter night comet so it is an easy one-shot for me everytime I see someone using that shield.

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its fast enough to compete with moonveils insane speed, one of the few ways to deal with it in a gank scenario

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How does this interact with the carian meele spells? Can it "parry" slicer and piercer?

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Using this against Radagon/EB, I'm pretty sure i still take full damage from all of his holy attacks despite the "blocked" animation. Feature of the boss, or is that holy negation a lie?

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Damage should be scaling with player stats.

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The most reliable way for pure physical builds to defend themselves against magic. The fth requirement is practically not even there, just put on some faith boosting gear and you're all set. Only need a minimum of 20 str (if two handing) which is a little inconvenient but still manageable for dex builds.

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You could retaliate your own spell. Something like that mini disc spell that will return after being cast. Very cool

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The bane of a glint stone pebble spammers existence

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arrows reach talisman seems to negate all damage falloff on the projectile.

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They were kinda overzealous on shield nerfs and spell shield damage. I keep getting guard broken while reflecting spells and criticaled in invasions or coliseum by mages allies. And I have 40 endurance.

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Dont see it mentioned here but did you know you can Golden Retaliation your summons? Just did it to a guy that was trying to loretta bow an invader.

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TLDR of Golden Retaliation:
Scales with Weapon Level.
Does 100% Holy Damage.
(Scales with Faith)
Has a steep damage falloff range (Mostly negated by Arrow’s Reach Talisman)
Boosted by all applicable Global and Holy damage buffs.
Currently Affected by RKR.

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This thing is great even just as a deterrent to moonveil spam. Once you pull it out the WA spam stops after the first counter.

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Whats the guard boost on this +10 with the greatshield talisman and the magic shield sorcery?

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They definitely had to have nerfed this recently. It used to kill mages who weren’t full health but now landing it barely breaks 700 damage at 30 str 45 fth. Maybe they finally started leveling vigor?

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Does it work against Moonlight Greatsword?

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This item turns some encounters into a high-stakes tennis match, I highly recommend it

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Cannot parry ice spear, beast roar or beast sling or other beast incantations. Can parry pest threads, spectral lance, scouring black flame, whirl o flame. Needs testing against flame of red manes and flame strike. Extremely difficult to reflect glintstone pebble spell and frenzy machine gun type spells due to latency/start up delay and stagger. Count to 3 to parry carian phalanx. Use L2 to block melee attacks so you can roll catch with r2 instead of guard counter. You can backstep with shield up to escape dragon breaths, beast sling or frenzy machine gun with no penalties.

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Interestingly, even though the WA doesn't scale well with your stats it seems to scale with the strength/potency of reflected spells, at least in pve. I've noticed that different spells of Loretta boss fight in Caria Manor dealt different damage when reflected, for example with greatshield at+5 glintstone phalanx dealt her around 300 dmg while her other spells including magic bow dealt 400-500 dmg.

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Sorcerer's? In MY Elden Ring? It's more likely than you think!

I was helping a friend through Liurnia of the Lakes when we were invaded by a double Burger King Crown sorcerer spamming Glintstone Pebble. Reflected one at him and found out he put every last point he had into intelligence and not a single one into vigor. 10/10 would use again

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How is mOoNvEil WA draw still faster than this?
This also needs a damage buff since it’s one of the only realistic counters for moonveil.

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you say moonveil, i say BEGONE

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How to shoot the erected greatshield

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Is it just me or does this have really underwhelming stamina reduction? Barely better than a medium shield

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I will tell my grandkids how this used to be a magic machine gun

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No U: Golden Order Edition

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is retaliating your own destructo discs strat or exploit?

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AKA the wizard spam destroyer

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I need to cut back on my sodium intake, jesus.

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NUH UH.

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The damage of the reflect is buffed by leveling up the weapon. Scales with faith but not with strength. (Scaling with faith is minimal, I was doing 1342 at 40 faith and 1377 at 45. +9 weapon.)
It also is buffed by Shard of Alexander and anything that boosts holy damage. Arrows reach talisman is essential as using it at anything outside melee range causes it to suffer from heavy fall off, this will guarantee full damage assuming it hits.

At +9 and 45 faith I was hitting for 1377; with Golden Vow, Shard of Alexander, Holy Shrouding Cracked Tear, and Sacred Scorpion Charm I dealt 2447. (patch 1.05 I'm not sure what else you could stack with it, but that buff set up is easy to maintain for a whole boss fight. Using ring of light for deflections)

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Does anyone know exactly how the damage for this WA works?
I believe it scales with faith, but what about strength? Also does upgrading the shield boost reflect damage?

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The Damage of Golden Retaliation does in fact scale with faith.
However the difference in damage between 25 and 80 FTH is around 325 damage; this is negligible due to a low faith setup with the correct buffs and RKR already deals over 3500 damage.
Also Arrows Reach Talisman does affect the damage falloff, however it does not seem to take effect at the projectiles max range - Most hits below max range however will be boosted to mitigate damage falloff.

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Why do mages keep spamming spells after they got deflected 6 times by this shield

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pursuers greatshield

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Is this the perfect stars of ruin counter?

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Okay, I love this thing, but the fact it only blocks 66 on magic is criminal.

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Taste vengeance!

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man!! this shield is SOOO weak!!! it should DEFINETELY not be nerfed!!!! NOBODY uses it to obliterate mages!!!! do NOT nerf this fromsoft, this is NOT an OP shield!!! you can trust me on this one!!!!

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Can this parry pyro spells? I have no problem parrying sorceries or Moonlight Greatsword R2 etc, but every fireball thrown at me I can't seem to parry. It may be I am just skill impaired.

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I run this as one of two shields I use for the Greatshield only build. The other is the One Eyed shield which shoots a big ass fireball. Its great for screwing with mages in duels lol

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hehe no more moonveil

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so called “moonveil users” when I press the funny L2 button with the golden dinner plate

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I see moonveil. I bring this boy.

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Heres a little tip from a friendly mage main to anyone that uses this shield: night comet (the dark projectile spell) completely goes thru without triggering the skill and fully charged can hit for 1000+ thru the shield with the right setup. You didn't mistime or miss it, night comet completely ignores the retaliation skill, so stop trying to spam the skill when you see this spell, you need to either side strafe or roll it. This shield is a double edged knowledge check in this regard and Ive killed people using this shield by just standing still and full charging night comet to bait the skill out and they just keep trying to get the skill off and nothing else while taking 1k damage per hit, I could feel their confusion thru the screen. This shield will destroy the smooth brain SoR spammers very easily (good riddance), but if you're fighting a mage that has a functional brain, please understand that this isn't a hard counter or invincibility mode, its a knowledge check for both players, and if you get too cocky with the retaliation skill you can get hard punished. If they are SoR spamming, then you can absolutely just spam the skill for a free kill lol(again, good riddance), but don't just assume you are completely immune to everything a mage can do while sitting still like a target dummy. Good luck and happy PvPing gamers

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This shield CANNOT parry Night Shard or Night Comet.

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This + Wraith Calling Bell + discus of light slaps in PvE and is a totally different way to play. Lots of fun with minimal gear requirements. You technically only need 13 int/fth just to use discus, so there is a lot of build flexibility, like focusing on STR or FTH alone, instead of using the other Golden Order incantations. Add sacred scorpion charm and shard of Alexander and now you mean serious business. I hope they keep this in game, because it's easy to read and very fun.

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This thing is amazing. Great as advertised and also you can turn a cheap incantation like Discus of Light into a glorious extra blast.

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Moonveil spammers in shambles

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Everyone’s talking about mediocre exploits for my favorite shield. You people should just happily reflect moonveil and flint stone pebble ash of war cheese back at the faithless casuls instead. Repent wicked ones

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Vigor checking wizards since 2022

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if only the str requirement was lower

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This AoW works with the Wraith Calling Bell

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Discuss of light and this = 5 head build

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seems that the Discus of Light spells can trigger the reflect projectile, it isn't Fire's Deadly Sin levels of busted, and might be an interesting combo it is as intended.

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Mage bane

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You know... In case you forgot carian retaliation exists.

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Eternal darkness counters the beam from this shield as well as carian retaliation.

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Tried 99999 times to parry a black flame monk using his spells and the Golden "Retaliation" didn't do a damn thing.

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hardswap to this for stars of ruin and elden stars spam, not against quick single-shot spells. carian retaliation is for that

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Wish the frames on this were more forgiving. Quite a few meta spells as for example 'Honed Bolt' don't get deflected. With the typical net coding souls games have it can be difficult to pull this off in pvp.

But when you do, god does it feel great.

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Can you counter the golden retaliation with the golden retaliation? Just curious, could be like a game of catch lol

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The description says that it dispels magicks but you still take both status effect buildup and partial damage. Why is this? Carian Retaliation also says that it dispels magicks but you don't take damage from dispelling with that. Why would that happen with the Erdtree Greatshield?

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Holy crap the salt, ignorance and misinformation on this item's page is a cut above everything else on this website. For anyone who doesn't get it; Shield was bugged when used in conjunction with Fire's Deadly Sin, as were multiple other "proc-when-damage-taken" effects. Bug was very funny haha for griefing in PvP, then it got fixed and now the guys who abused it are actually upset that an obvious glitch got fixed. In current year, the shield works as intended and is actually a fantastic shield for its weight, although the fixed ash will interfere with quite a few playstyles making it actually not super-well suited to continuous play (just bust it out when there's something casting spells). Just like the damage of other offensive shield ashes (shield crash etc) the damage of the WA is increased by weapon level, and if you want to get true value from this item (ie; actually deal damage with the projectile) then you will want to +25 it. The projectile damage scales with FAI and nothing else, tho weapon level is more important. The damage appears to not be pure sacred damage as I was able to damage Godfrey with it (first fight, golden boy, in non-ash capital) however this test was done using FDS pre-nerf (Godfrey doesn't cast spells so there's no way to proc it now). All-in-all this is a really neat little item that still has immense value, and is a suitable reward for a not-so-simple mid-game field battle that most people will skip the first time they get there.

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The poison glitch is crazy with this

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Big tip for PVP, hardswap into this instead of using it the whole time. Eternal Darkness absorbs its projectiles so sorcerers can counter your counter if you telegraph it or they can just use the carian spells. Stars of Ruin and especially Elden Stars is basically an auto-win for you if you do this unless they have bloodhound’s step.

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Just a note for anybody wondering, upgrading the shield does in fact have a noticeable difference on the damage of the WA. At 15 FTH damage went from 190 to ~260 after just one upgrade, although damage fluctuated a little bit. Seems range has a pretty big effect on damage, the drop off is kinda steep over longer distances.

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Love watching people get salty about the fact that a glitch was patched. Y'all realize that there are already a thousand other ways to shred through the game? You can bully PVE completely legit, y'know.

Ah yes, and there's also the inevitable flow of dislikes that are gonna likely be dumped on this message. Let's not forget that.

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I'm doing my first playthrough on my first Fromsoft game as a melee samurai with a couple of cheap incantations. This shield is a big help to me.

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every build should invest in the least amount of strength and faith possible to wield this. absolutely shuts down spell spammers and forces them to properly fight.

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this shield is suprisingly light for the versatility it offers, it hard counters mages both in pve and pvp along with having excellent guard and block reduction would highly recommend it if you can carry it

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All I need to do counter this with Moonveil is to just get closer before I do the beam, at a range of 2-3 meters it usually comes out too fast for this shield's WA to catch it in time unless they have god reflexes and at best they partially parry it and eat lots of stamina damage which opens them up for a punish with another beam as they usually panic roll away and get rollcaught. Very simple adjustment that has seen me not get my beams parried back at me since.

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Well its actually not that bad, I can get the effect reliably in PvP , it costs less mana than Carian Retaliation and has a small AoE allowing you to hit multiple targets sometimes. Also you can cancel the WA directly into guarding.

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Well its actually not that bad, I can get the effect reliably in PvP , it costs less mana than Carian Retaliation and has a small AoE allowing you to hit multiple targets sometimes. Also you can cancel the WA directly into guarding.

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This weapon art completely sucks and and is another showcase of just how bad FromSoftware is in balancing. Carian Retaliation is just superior in everyway. It is way more lenient with its timing, deals more damage, can parry normal attacks and can be used on alot of shields therefore having way lower requirements. I dont even know why this crap exists.

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I don't even use shileds in my build...

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Has anyone tried it with other effects like Scarlett rot or poisen?

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This shields weapon art damage increases by upgrading it. Tested on mages at the academy. +0 204dmg, +8 804dmg.

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patch 1.03

This shields weapon art damage does increase with upgrading it. Tested on the mages at academy.

+0 did 202 damage
+8 did 908 damage

This is the ultimate **** you weapon against mages and moonveil katanas

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Kind of really lame that they "fixed a bug" with this shield, while int casters get a massive death star beam for no mana cost that melts bosses in ~15 seconds. Glad to see every play style except int.casters still get the short end of every stick from good ol fromsoft.

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yes another blow to shield cowards. ROFL!!! LONG LIVE Sorcery!!!!

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Best counter to annoying spammy magic builds

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rip invader/host destroyer. it was good while it lasted

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rip invader/host destroyer. it was good while it lasted

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Rest in peace

Well done From "No Fun Allowed" division.

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Does the counter scale with str/faith or is it just by shield level?

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Does upgrading do more damage on the counter?

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Still the best shield in the game regardless of the bug being fixed, with the low faith requirement strength builds have a massive counter to magic spammers.

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though the PVP abuse was annoying, this thing was beautiful to use in PVE. Instead of outright taking it out, i think they should have reworked it. maybe add mana cost into it. Was fun, goodbye my holy ak47

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I'm sad I never got to try it out in PVE. Oh well

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Based on the patch notes for 1.3 the deadly sin combo no longer works?

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1.03
"Fixed a bug that allows player to activate Erdtree Greatshield’s weapon skill without absorbing an attack using a special combination of item and incantation"

Hi pvp abusers. Bye pvp abusers. :D

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I'm gunna miss using this to speedrun the tedious dragon bosses in like 10 seconds, but I'm glad this thing can no longer be used as a mana-free gun in PvP. Considering all the crazy weapon arts and spells you can counter with this thing it still absolutely slaps there anyway

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