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I used this for my ng+ malenia build. For as fun as it was, I do agree with some of the criticisms. I'd trade the bleed build-up for 1hp per hit in a heartbeat, and its a little silly that the boss's unparryable move is suddenly parryable in pvp, though I do understand that From may have wanted to avoid having players spam it maybe? but at the same time I don't know how much forethought goes into stuff like that given the other things left in the game pvp wise. That also being said I am curious as to what the timing is like because I have been in a situation where another play attempted to parry me fowling and just got blended, so if nothing else its a punishing aow to miss a parry on. Though it does suck that anything that hits harder than a light breeze can knock you down. Otherwise though, while I know people grumble about the dex scaling, I will say malenia's sword does have an chunky edge over both a keen infused uchi or nagakiba (~40 more AR at 99 dex). B scaling isn't bad esp in a game when it doesn't crop up very often (esp if you were to have the astounding 48 dex to use it). Overall, fun to use for the 5 mins you have it in ng, maybe better suited to a ng+ run (or just be very dedicated to fighting malenia 1/2 through the game and underleveled, god speed.)

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its good simply because its the length of two uchigatanas taped together

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I'd trade out that random blood loss for the 1% hp back from the cleaver/great stars

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gotta love the logic in this game:
doesn't have bleed in the fight, has bleed when we use it.
and vice versa for the mantis blade

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Turns out that rotten sword insignia, godskin swaddling cloth, and Melania's great rune make you very dangerous.

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Underrated weapon in PvP. Catch some poor ****er spamming dragon communion spells and use the AoW to give them a free ticket to the Greater Will

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A lot of these unique weapons aren't that fitting for a lot of players. I've been playing specialized builds from the start and always got bored. Since I've gone Quality a whole store of weapons have opened up for me and the only thing I have to do is make sure I upgrade them till (near) max and carry them with me. Now what I love about Quality (absurd that I haven't figured this out with 500 hours of gameplay), is that you switch weapons based on the situation. No more being stuck with your specialized set that this one player can counter. No more immune bosses, you just prepare differently. And this weapon has one of the most unique weapon arts in the game, just like a dragons breath, you gotta find a moment to use it. So a very proper off-hand for both PvP and PvE, but very situational.

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Seppuku with this weapon should cure scarlet rot

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Who would win:

The literal end game katana of the most powerful demigod of the Shattering

or

The Katana you can literally start with

(hint, the winner's name starts with U and ends with chigatana)

I have never understood Fromsoftware's logic when it comes to this, though it has been consistent since Dark Souls 1. Why make the weapon you start with more powerful in every single conceivable way than the weapon you have to play 150 hours for?

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its so weird to me that you can parry this skill but not spinning slash, some consistency please fromsoft

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You literally have to kill the hardest boss in the game to get this and it's only B scaling in dex? A weapon of the most powerful anime swordwoman of the shattering is only B scaling in dex? That should have been A scaling +0 and S at +10, it's just common logic

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Mid weapon, you'll never get the chance to use the full weapon art seriously and often you'll get knocked out of it. Doesn't even have any unique animations either. Frayed blade clears.

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The reason this thing doesn't build up bleed is because the sword doesn't hit as much as you think. If you use it without proper requirements, you can see that it only hits a few times, the AOE slashes don't build up status effects.

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i liek fun wepon

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Disappointing. Don't believe the hype.

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The FP cost written here is wrong. 9-7 is what’s written but that’s only if you have the Carian Filigreed Crest on. The normal FP cost is 12-9.

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Shame you cant enhance or infuse it.

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Am I the only one who wanted it to have the prosthetic built into the arm instead of holding it?

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I like it :) the boss fight may or may not be a fun one but I like it. Was testing it out on that big dude that drops down on the occasion at the haligtree town and it was just doing a bunch of staggering and damn good dps yes ik there’s better but this is still a really fun weapon

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Il più grande vantaggio pvp di sta arma è quello di suscitare i più grandi trami che hai avuto di sto gioco

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this weapon shouldnt have any bleed buildup but instead have better dex scaling, that would honestly make it way better

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they didn't build a handle for this thing even it isn't a prosthetic for us like malenia, holy **** it's so annoying to look at

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If this can be boosted by bloodflame then it would have been broken

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Dual wielding these is moderately fun. The range is great but the blood loss is very underwhelming and the AoW has basically no poise to it. Definitely no worth suffering through the most unfun, unfair boss in From history for it.

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there is nothing in the game that cannot be killed with his ability, just dodge and oppress the ability XD

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Needs a little buff to be on par with best Katanas

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Devs were merciful not to have Malenia inflict bleed, when her weapon is perfectly capable of doing that.

Would have made her even more insane boss fight than she is.

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You can actually fight Malenia before completing Mountaintops of the Giants by collecting and using the secret passage Medallion when you arrive at the Mountaintops. I found out by accident.

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Mostly disappointing, but at least you feel kind of cool using it. As a PvE player there are definitely better options. And while I understand the lore reason why this doesn't deal Scarlet Rot build up, it is a bit of a shame that it doesn't.

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I sure hope from will buff this a bit more for pvp. Maybe faster windup and longer jumprange. Sadly its too easy to counter or to just roll out from. But when you manage to jump in 3 dudes and catch all of them.. man best feeling you can have in an invasion :D

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I can’t get down to the invader cheese spot anymore it’s bouncing off the walls now during the weapon art

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It's a shame they didn't add Malenia's prosthetic glove instead of this usual shank as a handle, it would look much cooler :(

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I dont get it. Why doesn't do her blade a scarlet rod but a bleed.

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Deals about 6% more damage than keen Nagakiba at 80 dex. Not worth the range loss and useless AoW. Naga can also be buffed. Deals equal damage to blood Nagakiba at 80 dex/arc. Nagakiba is just better.

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Most swaggerless katana ever. They wanted us to like this so bad

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Too great, huh. I think we define great differently.

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you think malenia scratches her back with this.

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Yet another weapon that is so much better than everything in the game it ruins everything.
I’ve tried multiple pvp builds attempting to be creative, b there’s no point when weapons like this exist. And most host are moonveil, scarlet rot spamming, 2 over leveled phantoms mouth breathers.
This time accurately will kill the host, and most of the time the phantoms also. Stacked with damage talismans I’m obliterating all their health and killing all 3 with one L2 combo. It’s stupid and uncreative as can be, but it one of the few options to deal with 3v1 eggheads.

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The strongest physical katana, about 40ap over uchi/nag/serpent at 80dex.

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For some reason when using the AoW, your pierce damage negation is lowered by maybe -30%.

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for some reason in my game, buffing myself with flame grant me strength and commander standard is making this do less damage. i have no clue what's happening. first attack sequence going from doing around 1800 to doing 600 ._.

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this is a weird looking hand

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Reminds me of Shinobu's katana from monogatari

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If you’ve never tried one of these, it’s like the Greatsword version of a Thrusting Sword, and sort of fills a similar niche to a Katana in that it’s a medium sized, still fast but ‘heavier’ dexterity weapon. Like Katanas, they’re fast enough to deal good bleed while still strong enough to reliably stagger enemies.

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So it's not getting buffed, huh? Sad. Could at least give the weaponart increased bleed buildup, like the Frayed Blade in DS3. Risky long windup for a good bleed reward. But no, let's give curved and twinblades quadruple hits and instant procs on single attacks instead. FROM make excellent games, but their balancing SUCKS!

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the only thing i would change about this weapon is giving it serpentbone blade R2s, since malenia kinda has a flurry attack like that

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I am Hand of Malenia, Blade of Malenia, Blade of Miquella, Hand of Miquella.

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The part about duplicating it, giving one to Enia now and the second as soon as you get access to her, I think after killing Godrick at Stormveil in NG+ I only had three Mausoleums after duplicating what I wanted for my first playthrough and I didn't think of getting two of these. If I go to the first mausoleum in weeping peninsula in my NG+ will I get the option to duplicate remembrances I've already cashed in with Enia or will they be wiped clean until I beat those bosses again? I really can't see myself beating Malenia in NG+ her nightmare second phase was hard enough the first time.

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*jumps out of well and presses L2 on Malenia*

NOW I'VE GOT YOUE POWERS

Malenia then proceeded to punch me in the face.

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Still wishing this weapon had a unique standing R2. I’d imagine it could be that dashing overhead slash Malenia does when you first fight her, something that can be charged to increase the distance. Maybe have it switch to her retreating slash if you backstep during the charge, sort of like how curved swords work.

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weapon art is currently bugged. if you mash L2 after being parried you can just instantly start the weapon art again.

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Sleeper weapon for invasions since a lot of players just don't respect it and get destroyed trading, also rather often bad ganks just bunch up and explode simultaneously.

More decent players will just keep their distance, dodge out of it in time or parry you so it's not that great for duels.

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Why does a Katana - that I need to defeat Malenia and have 48 Dex for - only has a B scaling in Dex when +10ed?

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malenia screwed me one last time by giving me a katana that requires a mask, talisman, and a knot tear, only for it to consistently miss anything that isn't a mosh pit of enemies.

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I wish this weapon was shorter. I mean, sure, longer weapon = longer reach, but oversized weapons tend to look pretty ridiculous, and Fashion Ring (Elden Fashion?) is more important to me than an extra foot of reach.

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Wish it had a cosmetic interaction with Malenia's Gauntlet where it would have the lever attachment that connects the blade to the hand when used together.

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I'm annoyed by the people who keep complaining about scaling when AR is all that matters. Hard numbers:

70 Dex
Hand of Malenia - B - 611AR
Keen Uchigatana - A - 571AR
Keen Slender Sword - A - 501AR
Keen Flamberge - A - 651AR
Keen Naginata - A - 596AR

If you've noticed so far, all of these weapons have "better" scaling than this katana., but all fall short of even breaking the 600AR barrier. The only weapon that makes it is the flamberge, which in fact, is a ****ing greatsword and doesn't attack nearly as fast as any of these smaller weapons. I've also chosen 70DEX cus its high, meaning base damage should play a minimal role in this, and what do you know it still comes out on top.

But no this weapon is useless right? so shite cus it doesnt get AR comparable to a colossal weapon right? Elden ring needs more damage in its weapons right? everything deserves S scaling at this point, why even bother

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I'm so sick of Fromsoft trashing on katanas. This needs to have a S dex scaling, a C strength scaling, and AT LEAST a B faith scaling when at max. Scarlet rot buildup 80. bleed buildup 65, deathblight buildup 45. And hyperarmor on the ash alongside significantly reduced damage taken when hit winding up or during the move itself. Stamina cost should be halved. First heavy attack shoud be that lightning quick lunge she does out of the cutscene, and the followup shoud be the the triple wrist slash. should restore player health when you hit something. Needs a much higher base attack rating when upgraded, and the ash of wars range NEEDS to be buffed. I really like the way it looks and would like to use it in PVP but Fromsoft doesnt understand weapon balance and Player Reward. I fought the goddess of rot for this it should be good, not pathetic. Also the fact that you can parry the skill is completely #$%@&*^(!), its a jumping attack. Help me speak out, this needs to be fixed in the next patch.

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As with everything in this game, it's cooler when the boss uses it.

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48 Dex requirement for B scaling? Why is Elden Ring so stingy with giving out S scalings?

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The weapon art will NEVER hit a skilled player. Just use dual bleed spears.

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before starting NG+, I’ve been hunting down bosses I missed using waterfowl dance and fire giant incantations. It’s been like… therapy

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I’ve seen no comment on how the ability is cracked in PvP I know it has a long start up but if your far enough away it dashes to them quickly and melts people especially if they have no shield and try to roll away from it but then get caught by it and also induces panic and fear

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I am Katana, Hand of Malenia, Blade of Miquella

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I'd honestly have taken S dex scaling over bleed buildup

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They should've made it so that if you used malenia's gauntlet you'll gain a special R2 where you do the swoosh swoosh swoosh thing malenia does when her prostethic flashes

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This should have been ER's Chaos Blade.
We hold it at the blade, like the Hiltless. It should damage us. But it should also deal tremendous damage, as it's made from very exquisite material. As it is now, properly infused katanas deal just as much damage while being fully buffable.

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People aruging whether blood loss should be replaced by Rot or not. Actually why not both? The weapon is not that powerful to begin with, I think with the addition of rot on top of bleed, it will be a more attractive weapon

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More like Blade of Miquella amirite?

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Should have had innate Scarlet Rot build up instead of Bleed.

"But the description!"

The description states "Through consecration it is resistant to rot."

It is resistant to rot. As in, it won't be eaten away by being near the Goddess of Rot. Nothing stops you slathering the thing in Rot, if anything, it being resistant means you CAN do that and still have a sword left at the end.

It doesn't produce an aura that dispells rot (If the material did, then her arm and legs wouldn't still be getting eaten away by rot despite having the prosthesis attached now would they? And the Cleanrot Knights whom are clad in the material wouldn't have rotted away either) nor is it actually inside a person which is what stymies rot in a person who constantly produces it like Malenia and Millicent (Though, it's noted that Miquella's needle didn't work for Malenia, the needle has only been shown effective for Millicent)

On top of that, it would have been nice to make it a bit more unique among Katanas, which typically have bleed anyway. As well as being a nice contrast to the weapon art by being a long term damage over time effect alongside Waterfowl Dance's immediate burst damage, which would also encapture Malenia's character to boot (The excellent swordsman and the curse of her Scarlet Rot).

Instead of being a meme-y burst damage machine that randomly applies a status completely unconnected to Malenia (She doesn't bleed during her fight and nothing in her lore connects her to blood)

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Cool weapon. It just really bothers me that the sword has no handle - you just... hold it by the blade. Just a bit of pickiness on my part I suppose

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This + malenia helm, greaves, and gauntlets + Lionel's armor = McDonald's Malenia

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Well I guess I'm respecing to dex now

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I maxed out my dex because I wanted a full Malenia build, and with rotten wing, millicent's prosthesis, and shard of alexander, I'm doing around 7000 damage per full waterfowl rotation. My build isn't realistic outside of ng+, but it's very fun to use.

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From should've made this weapon inflict rot and not bleed. Malenia uses rot so why can't this weapon inflict rot?

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This has the highest pure physical DPS in the game with some good bleed.

At lvl 260 I’m waltzing through NG5 and NG6.

Max dex and put 60 str/dex/end. Now you can wear full bull goat and Powerstance two of these.

The ash of war with this is insane with this setup because you can get like 15 hits in lol

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Wanna know why this is absolutely the BEST katana? No stupid big sheath hanging off ya.

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What fashion would you all pair with this weapon, aside from Malenia's? I need ideas

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What fashion would you all pair with this weapon, aside from Malenia's? I need ideas

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What fashion would you all pair with this weapon, aside from Malenia's? I need ideas

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How she hold her weapon look like sundowner from metal gear rising

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You guys don't read lore

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Fun fact equipping Malenia's great rune changes the colour of waterfowl dance from her phase 1 to her phase 2.

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Why does she not bleed us when she uses it but it has bleed on it? What happened there?

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This should heal you for 10% of damage dealt

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Why... is it bleed? Isn't this the Goddess of Rot's weapon? You know? Rot? The status effect? Her name isn't Malenia, Goddess of Bleed! It's rot! A status effect that you can inflict with the Scarlet Aeonia incantation! That you get from the Goddess of Rot's remembrance! That you also can use to get this weapon! WHAT IS GOING ON!!!

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FYI, the Golden Vow AoW (not the spell) appears to have a negative affect on this weapon's ash of war. Through my admittedly minimal testing it doesn't seem to affect other stuff. (All I did was test the spell and use a couple different multi-hit AoWs, such as the 6-hit inaptly named double slash)

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Afk slayer's weapon

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Fixing this thing is easy, give it some poise while Waterfowl Dancing, remove Bleed and allow it to be applied with buffs.

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is this viable in a level 80 invasion build? together with winged sword insignia + millicent talisman? I figured I can still wear the bull goat talisman to add poise so even if i have 40 vig 25 end, I feel it can work. just need to time the waterfowl and be good at baiting it, I'd guess

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Waterfowl when you fight it as a boss: Chad pic
Waterfowl when it joins your party: Derp face

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Hand of Malenia Vs Rivers of Blood, Thoughts?

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I can’t be the only one that thinks this should’ve gotten a unique moveset when equipped with Malenia’s Gauntlet, right?

I mean, the whole point is that the blade is part of a prosthetic arm.

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A hot take but this thing could've been this game's equivalent for the Chaos Blade or Hitlless, seeing that it's literally a sharp piece of metal that's part of Malenia's prosthesis. It will function like your usual Chaos Blade would, but it will stop draining your health if you equip Malenia's gauntlets because that's the intended use of the weapon.

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I am very disappointed that this weapon does not stack scarlet rot. And somehow a fully dex oriented weapon only has B scale on it

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This requires 48 Dex and 16 Str while the Frayed Blade in DS3 needs 40 Dex and 11 Str to wield. Both of these weapons are similar in that they are essentially endgame weapons that you gain from killing an endgame boss. If this doesn't prove that Elden Ring expects you to level up more than DS3 did, I have plenty of other examples. Elden Ring pvp should have a higher meta level than DS3, change my mind.

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For a "legendary weapon", I find it sad that the sword's AR is way lower than a Guardian Swordspear. My +10 HOM has about 650 compared to a +25 Guardian Swordspear which has a 792 AR. You'd think that the Swordspear is slow as hell, but not really - it has comparable swing speed with Katanas.

The HOM Ash of War does good damage but is easily interruptible, while the Guardian Swordspear can have different ashes of war and deals even better damage.

Hand of Malenia really needs a bit of tweaking.

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That’s a pretty cool ash of war you got there. Mind if I giant hunt real quick?

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I was hoping for just a little bit of healing upon hitting something, even if it was from the weapon art only. Bit disappointed but still awesome weapon.

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I have a +10 one of these, if anyone wants to trade me a Sacred relic sword (whatever level).

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