Heavy Thrusting Swords | Elden Ring Wiki

Light rollers getting on your nerves? Not to worry. We installed rocket boosters into the hilt of every heavy thrusting sword that will jet you forward at mach 3 when using the running heavy attack.

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I know people miss being able to use offhand weapon movesets but lets be real.

If they brought them back everyone would just put these in the offhand to use the running heavy attack on command.

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Gonna need a full body thimble for these.

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sometimes you have to fight cancer with cancer. If I see a light-rolling mage build I'm instantly bringing my cragblade out and playing chasedown

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probably the worst powerstanced moveset in the game

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I really dont get the complaints that people have in pvp for this class. The running r2 is a great tool for closing distance or chasing someone but as long as your not panic rolling its really easy to dodge. The rest of the moveset isn't even that good either which is why the playstyle for these centers around just the jumpin r1

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slower than most greatswords, the r2 carries the entire weapon class

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king of the chasedown

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Great hammers and collosals got buffed :) HTS still wins trades >:( It’s very simple: slightly nerf damage and strongly nerf their recoveries. These are supposed to be really good at pvp but they’re just too strong right now. I also think the stat requirements are too low for such awkwardly long weapons. Currently you can just stand in place, jump for invulnerability and trade on any whiff punishes. Oh yeah, the jumping attacks need a massive recovery penalty.

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Honestly, these weapons are good but not broken. Whats op is the pierce damage and the spear talisman doing absurd amount of damage. They nerfed jump attacks, buffs and most damage stacking but pierce damage stacking. If you use this weapon without the spear talisman, you will need around 2-3 more hits to kill someone. Pierce damage stacking also promotes more poking and passive play rather than trading or an aggressive play (which isn't that fun when both players tend to be passive 80% of the time). From shouldn't nerf these weapons (Its AR or frame data) because its provides a different playstyle and is great to chase people/roll catch but just nerf piercing damage overall. Its gotten to the point where people just use Great spears, spears, thrusting sword and heavy thrusting sword exclusively in PvP if they want to win.

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Ah yes, let’s get the damage of a greatsword but the frame data of a rapier. This can’t possibly go wrong!

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Friendship ended with Estoc

Now Great Epee is my best friend

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Ah yes, the running r1 weapon class

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Why are there two number sets for phy?

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Question for those that know more about these then i do since i haven't used this weapon class yet, are heavy thrusting swords more str or dex focused?

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*The weapon class meant to be good at poking and whiff punishing is good at poking and whiff punishing*

"FromSoftware better fix this."

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Need a nerf , damage way too high for how fast it is

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Used to hate them in early days, cause #1. I s u c k e d, #2: counter dmg was so insane it was oneshoting me no matter what.
Now they're fine to me. They're still top tier, or a tier below a total cancer, which are quickstep thrusting swords, but they definitely dont deserve the hate they receive right now (probably from players that struggle with running attacks)

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I was testing out weapons for a jump attack pvp build the other day, and I was surprised that this medium weapon class has one of the fastest jumping R1s with the lowest recovery, faster than the small thrusting sword jumping R1, its closer to dagger speed.
Just slap on Raptor black feathers and claw talisman, and enjoy having the damage of an ultra, the speed of a dagger, the range of a spear, all while being invincible to most grounded attacks, and being immune to parries.

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This weapon type may be the perfect pvp balance currently as long as you have enough poise against basic R1. It's very annoying if you can't poise because they can spam after running attack with only counterplay being parry or don't engage melee at all. Of course there is exceptions depending on setup but mostly not enough poise is bad time.

The damage is good. Running R2 can do a lot but it's easy to dodge and the jump attacks are good mixups. They also fixed the true combo with jump attack a while ago so that's not too insane either but still careful when you get hit because the follow up hits fast after jump attack. Regular thrusting swords are the real problematic ones since they pretty much do like 50 less damage on standard R1s but are so safe.

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The powerstance moveset is fun, but suffers from crappy tracking

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Let me make this simple and logical. HTS win trades against collosals which is a huge problem and, HTS is very difficult to punish misses from without getting impaled. Then, the length on even shortest HTS is simply too long: collosal damage, katana speed with more range than the actual spears. They need much longer recoveries between attacks and should suffer from a heavy sweet spot penalty. A 10-20% damage nerf may be appropriate considering my epee impaling thrust has one shot on trades for 3 tali slots and possibly a headshot multiplier in there. These should be really good in pvp, but they’re way too good right now.

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Seems like most people agree that the running R2 is the problem with these weapons. Not normal attacks, not R1 running attack. So I'd say they need to tune down how this attack work because clearly many people dislike how they are used against them or by them.

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running r2 combos into goodbye cowardly host.

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As a terrible pvp player this is my worst nightmare

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I'm a PvE player only, I'll say first:
I find it interesting that the running R2 has me gliding across the screen like that librarian ghost from Ghostbusters, but the running L1 while powerstancing looks like I'm doing it in ****ing molasses

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Nerf these into the ground in pvp. Ridiculous. Nothing but poke poke poke running poke

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need more heavy thrusting swords

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Look at all those skill issues in the comments.

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I hate this class. Longer than most spears and massively more damage. It’s so over kill and doesn’t serve a purpose except to win trades against collosals and make two handed spears irrelevant. As if estoc wasn’t long enough? And this class doesn’t deserve the feint attack, twin blades are significantly more deserving. Epee would look so nice if it wasn’t taller than the player.

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the light roll counter

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1.08 hit these too hard and left dual spear and dual greatspear unchanged

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rip true combos, at least its still a really good estus punish and chasedown weapon

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thrust counter shouldnt exist in this game. All thrusting weapons are already longer, quicker, have better moveset and do more dps than anything else but hey, lets make them randomly boost their attacks from 400 dmg to 1,5k dmg

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Gold parry is decent at countering the running R2 spam, if your opponent doesn't live on the moon that is

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Its a shame that these are so disproportionately OP in pvp because they feel awesome to use

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I find it funny how despite these being heavier and cumbersome than regular thrusting swords, their moveset looks far more elegant and skilled than the latter. I'm glad though, because we finally have a thrusting weapon class that doesn't feel boring as f*ck to use.

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Could someone add to the wiki that these weapons have Feints, similar to regular thrusting swords and curved swords, this seems like pretty important information and I'm surprised it's not here already.

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Some of the best weapons in the game after 1.07

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running r2

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People complained about Rapiers in DS3 being oppressive, so they gave us super rapiers in Elden Ring.

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I hate these things and poke weapons in general, atleast in PVP. There's no downsides to using them.

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Went from sword of night and flame, to rivers of blood, then greatsword main, but i think I'm going to give these underrated gems a try

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I genuinely feel disgusting using this on pvp, I'm gonna continue doing ng with his since I love the moveset but I'll use something else on pvp. Sorry for those i've slaughtered.

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these things are STILL the MOST OPRESSIVE weapons in the game! thank you 1.07 for making these even harder to tank!!!

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PvP on EZ mode

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The most miserable weapon class to fight against

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poise damage probs needs a little nerf. in pvp you can basically win any trade just by spamming heavy attacks

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If you like thrust-pierce from these swords and collossal weapons but cant decide? Try the pickaxe! Its a greathammer but can be power stanced with greataxes. Wtf?!

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Im literally only summoning guys using these just to get good at fighting against these weapons. BIGGEST PAIN IN THE ASS TO FIGHT! on the same level as crouch pokers. running attacks and crouch pokes should take more stamina change my mind.

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dual straight swords gets band while heavy thrusting swords stay on with status effects

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how to win every pvp encounter: apply royal knights resolve, running r2, running r2, running r2, running r2, running r2...

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I love how people come to the comment section to dislike comments talking about how heavy thrusting swords being silly.

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thank god theres no talisman that improve running attacks

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I want more slashing attacks from these, thats why I only use great epee. Cragblade looks like a great spear, Helice is a bl**d weapon and Stitchers Heavy attacks are thrusts. Hopefully we will get more weapons from this class with better heavy attacks.

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Literally worse than DS3 straight swords. Excellent balance as always, From

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spears but more annoying to fight in every way

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This weapon class is the best thing ever happened in eldenring pvp not against even if its 2v1 just put flaming strike ngl its not easy to play with but its halla fun

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They gave phantom range a weapon class

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I honestly don't like to fight against these weapons. they're just a tad less annoying than crutchpoke.

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slap glintblade phalanx on these with a cold infusion + powerstance with cold stitcher, add a potato, and baby youve got a stew going

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PvP on ez mode. I love using this when i just want to play casually

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tragically low number of weapons in this category, still fun though

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Pumped I finally have confirmation that I'm not crazy and the stitcher is slightly short than the helice

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No skill ahead, therefore don't do it!

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My favorite weapon class for PvP so far. The running R2 feels unfair and hard to outspace under poor netcode, but it's actually very telepgraphed so could easily be reaction-rolled. In fact, if you spam the running poke too much, the relatively long R2 recovery means that you can easily be punished by equally good setups (e.g. halberd running R1, flaming strike, offstoc). The true strength of this weapon class lies on its (2h) jumping R1 which true combos into another R1. Unparryable, Good poise damage, fast jumping R1 recovery, great damage when it combos, covers great distance, can jump over poke attack, and can be slightly timed for roll-catching. This is why you should do a lot of hopping with these weapons instead.

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are these good for PvE?

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This is the weapon for phantom range wins. The tracking on these is superb to every other weapon in this game with those run in stabs. Players can be way outside the visual cue and still get hit with these weapons and especially the bloody helice dodge attack. The tracking will be no where near the player and still hit.
Phantom range King.

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This really need to be toned down. It’s just a spear that’s as fast as a rapier but as long as a spear. Plus it can double attack with no weapon art.

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Am I the only one who thinks that the running r2s are easy to dodge?

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This weapon class should do same amount of poise damage as smaller weapons such as swords, katanas and maces. Literally same swing speed if not faster, greater reach and damage. And yeah, have you guys seen the 2h combo speed? You cannot even roll attack punish, the time between attacks in combo is too little to do that. And you cannot outspace it with anything short of some longer spear or great spear. Just another example of great Fromsoft balancing.

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I've mastered parrying this class because people just spam the same move.
If it had more recovery, then itd be more balanced. Till then, if you wanna use thrust, this is pretty much the only class you need.

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fun new tech, running heavy attack can be performed while running backwards. just spin unlocked camera in a 360 and in the middle of it hit the running attack. precise to hit but potential is to be had

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The entire weapon class needs nerfs across the board. There is ABSOLUTELY no reason for the flail weapon class to be so inexcusably bad when you have weapons like heavy thrusting swords with absolutely NO downsides to using. Fantastic range, great damage, ridiculous phantom range, good stam consumption, good rollcatches, etc. There is currently no downside to using these crutch weapons right now.

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How do you parry the goddamn running R2? I legitimately cannot fathom this ****. Maybe I need to do some testing

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Please address the stupid ass running heavy hitboxes that are nearly three times longer than the actual weapon model

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I hate how op these weapons are, I feel bad whenever I use them or fight them

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Spear 2.0 with that running R2 range

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the hitbox on the running r2 phantom hits more often than any other weapon move in the whole game

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Best weapon type in the game if you like jump attack. The recovery and stagger are just way too good.

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Recently noticed heavy thrusting swords (or at least the helice) have a neat heavy attack cancel by pressing backstep 2ce, haven't found much use for it though

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I've never seen anybody use a thrusting or heavy thrusting sword as of 200 hours in

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is there such a thing as a heavy thrusting sword in real life

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Running R2 on these should definitely be nerfed just make it travel less far and then it would be fine.

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The first heavy thrusting sword was the dragon kings cragblade I did it know the others existed

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Spacing? What's that?

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The running R2 needs nerfed, its pretty stupid as is but if you throw in lag you get people hitting you like a solid 3 meters past the weapons tip.

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All of these are bugged or the servers are trash (which they are): If you jump over them in pvp when they do a stab animation, they still hit you in mid-air, clearly over the weapon, and give you enough debuff in value of 3 normal hits. BS, if you use these, stop it.

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the true form of the ds2 rapier

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I'm worried they're going to nerf these, due to them being so good at poking those late game enemies which are always lunging half a room away after every attack ._.

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I'm not sure what they had in mind when they were balancing the heavy thrusting swords but they are absolutely cracked. They all have good reach, good damage, really good running attacks, and have posture damage that easily outpaces almost every weapon in the game. Powerstance these and I guarantee you that you will quickly posture break almost anything.

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Godskin Stitcher + Cold Bloodhound's Step + MAX: Dex, Strength, and Int = INSANITY

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These have crazy running heavy attacks. You warp forward like a meter or two. It's pretty good in PvP.

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Running R2, shield pokes, insane tracking on circle strafing opponents. Godlike.

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On all tables except "base" the Great Epee has 124 CRI dmg. I have not tested myself but I believe it's not the case or that would be insane...

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As a low dex mage, I never really thought this class of weapons was for me but after trying the bloody helice I'm a fan.

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is it just me or is the 1 handed moveset better than powerstancing them or 2 handed even? atleast for pvp

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The longest heavy thrusting sword has less reach than an estoc due to the lack of movement when attacking, not to mention repeating r1 is pretty slow. The only advantage is the running attacks and maybe poise damage(?), but these are still outclassed by most things on base moveset alone.

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they absolutely trash any lance/spear. What were they thinking with this goofy stuff, there's literally 0 reason to use the lances now

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heavy thrusting "swords" > any spear, change my mind.

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