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This lets you spam taker's flame. Best stat in the game.

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I don't know if I love or hate Mind. The invader in me loves it because (at the risk of sounding like a jerk) it's a complete and utter noob trap at lower and even mid levels, hence lots of hosts running around with no HP and bottomless spells. But the co-oper in me hates it for the exact same reason. I hate when my host gets one shot by a boss or invader because they thought an extra cast of Glintstone Cometshard is more important than not dying in one hit. This is a PSA for online players, as both an invader and co-oper: level vigor! Mind is the last thing I get around to leveling. PvE players, I couldn't care less what your builds are. If you wanna roleplay Megamind, go ahead. But please don't get one shot if you summon me.

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You want to level this stat if you play PVE, which is most people I'd assume.

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Currently doing a DS2 Sorcery Run.

Mind is massively worse than Attunement.

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Honestly I think 28 mind is more then enough both my cast builds end there it's enough to cast four fortisax lightning spears any more than that is excessive imo.

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I love Mind and Vigor.

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The graph is wrong

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Blue vigor

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not a damage stat, so its worthless

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It is difficult to decide how much mind you should have in a build, but I will give some recommendations. For pure str/dex, keep mind as low as possible because AOWs aren't the most fp hungry if used in moderation. For high faith, 23 mind as it allows you to cast all the most expensive stackable buffs (except for a weapon buff, in which case use 28 or 29 mind) with a single flask. For dragon communion builds, use either 14 mind, as it allows you to use the expensive dragon breaths without waste, or 22 if you want to combo greyoll's roar into other incantations. For pure int it is a bit more tricky; it really depends on your playstyle and what spells you use. From anecdotal experience, anywhere from 18-28, with 18 as close range, 20 as mid-ranged, 22 or higher reserved for spell exclusive builds. For hybrid builds (any combination of str, dex, int, and fth) I think 14-20 mind, and typically 18, though 20 is nice to have. I haven't played an int/fth build myself yet, but I'd imagine that it would be determined by the weaker variants of buffs as I think many of the spells of an int/fth build are quite efficient. I hope this helps, even if it is somewhat subjective, and there are gaps in my experience (I haven't played str/int, int/fth, or str/dex).

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world peace achievable by making mind increase cast speed instead of dexterity

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I think they designed most spells assuming people would level mind. How wrong they were.

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FP/MP linked stat is out dated. They should just do a set amount that can only be raised by rings/charms(Kinda like quick silver bullets from BB). Would make balancing spells, and weapon arts easier too. They could also bring something like adaptability back as just a defense bump stat.

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needs a rework. some things chug so much fp they just aren't worth using, while other things are so insanely efficient they outclass everything else

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Correct amount to have is 9 MND (10 if you're bi and started as Vagabond twink), so you can carry an optimal number of 0 Ashen Estus. Hope this helps.

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imagine how much more balanced the pvp would be if mind and arcane status scaling got downscaled

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I know melee players don't get as much from Mind investment as casters do, but I personally just can't stand having a tiny arse FP bar. I get it to 15-20 on average, so that I can spam AoW and weapon buffs/body buffs more often without having to rely much on FP flasks or having to switch to Blue Dagger talisman often.

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Though I'm glad I'm not dumping points into attunement for literally no return until I get a spell slot like in DS1, they really missed the mark here with usefulness. Making Dex the casting speed stat makes sense logically, but it's f-ing stupid gameplay wise. For as much stuff they repurposed from DS2 they coulda taken a bigger page from the stat increase section to give mind more use than raising focus. Maybe it could also raise discovery every couple of levels, as if it were the attunement of luck.

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I get that fromsoft had to come up with loot to place in the open world, but wow, memory stones really make Mind a dump stat.

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This is useless for melee builds don't bother leveling it. Hell it's even useless to str faith hybrids. Only useful for pure mage or prophet build.

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The mind buff was a mistake. You can be an effective caster without putting a single point in mind.

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Mind really needs to give less fp on the lower end of the chart. Lower base mind means more incentive to level mind. Want to spam stars of ruin and weapon arts? Better dump 20 points into mind. It would curb a lot of the L2den ring behavior you see pretty much all over the game and make spammy behavior something you need to spec for rather than the default option.

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Mind really needs to give less fp on the lower end of the chart. Lower base mind means more incentive to level mind. Want to spam stars of ruin and weapon arts? Better dump 20 points into mind. It would curb a lot of the L2den ring behavior you see pretty much all over the game and make spammy behavior something you need to spec for rather than the default option.

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Thank you for the Mind/Focus chart. Really helps a lot

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You want to have more FP than you recover by flask because if they are exactly equal, you waste FP every time you flask without completely draining your FP. Exceeding flask FP replenishment also gives you more freedom in flasking. For example, if you only had 221 FP, you wouldn't want to flask unless your bar is exactly empty. With 300 FP however you can flask without waste if you have 80 FP or less. This means you'll never be in a situation where you have to choose between not having the FP to cast a spell (for the most part) and getting the most out of a flask use.

Beyond flask optimization, Getting 250-300 FP also makes other FP regen items like Starslight Shards or Ancestral Spirit's Horn more versatile. You also get more value from great runes that increase FP, both Godrick's and Radahn's since FP scales best at high levels.

In short don't aim for 38 if you intend to rely on Mind a lot. Aim for something like 40-50.

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38 mind seems to be the ideal cap since it equals to the value of 1 blue flask chug, another value that can be considered is 45 if you equip cerulean seed talisman which imo is not that good of an option. In the end mind doesnt really matter except if you want to summon tiche without using hidden tear since killing group of enemies can restore your flask charges

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At what level should I stop investing in MND for one cerulean flask to fill my FP from empty?

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even as a caster i've put like 5 points into this and can still spam glintblades like crazy. spells and ashes as a whole need to cost more to make this stat relevant

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I understand the need to keep casting builds in check but this attribute sucks lol leveling up for +3 fp?? I'm not even a caster I'm literally just trying to have enough fp for some of the better summons

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Have as much FP as your flask restores, plus extra.
Let's say your flask restores 200 and you have 200 max.
You're down to 20 FP.
If you use your flask, you're only getting 180 FP restored. You lost 20.
Also, you may cast spells on your way to the boss, you want to go into the fight with at least 200 FP
Of course, adjust this to whatever amount your flask restores, 200 was just an example.

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The chart photo is false i dont find any +8 or +9 increasements.

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The graph is in complete disagreement with the chart of stat increases on this same page...

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At level 8 to level 9 it goes from 62 to 75. It's listed as a +3.

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Why is everyone complaining about mind being a separate stat? That's like complaining that strength doesn't add to vigor or dexterity doesn't contribute to endurance.

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Mind sucks. They should either remove it entirely and just tie FP gain to INT/FTH/ARC, or give it casting speed like DEX.

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What are the good Mind builds?

0w0~

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Mind is such an over valued attribute. I’ve never felt the need to go beyond 30 mind on a pure caster. People treat having to drink a cerulean flask like they could take a bathroom break and make it back to the monitor before the animation is finished. It’s not that bad. Save yourself the points. Use a phalanx to give yourself a grace window. Maybe then, you could do something about that 45 vigor that is probably a big part of why you’re so leery about drinking flasks in the heat of a fight in the first place.

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...Most games I've played with a mana system have any casting-relevant stat increase the size of the pool you use to cast stuff. Having a separate stat dedicated to it is just obnoxious, particularly for me because I'm currently only level 47 but working towards all of the incantation casting stats.

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I think mind contributes to keeping spells/ashes in check, but I'd prefer it increase casting speed rather than dex. Every caster build needing a bunch of points in dex has gotten pretty old lol

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This is the one stat that stops me from making an effective paladin build. I have to sacrifice health, stamina, or attack power for spellcasts and that's on top of all the health and attack power I'm sacrificing in order to get faith to a high enough level to be able to cast the stronger buffs/heals that would make a paladin type character viable.

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The lamest stat since vitality, and that at least had a few rings to pick up the slack. This is a pure dump stat for a resource that starts unreasonably low, with virtually no other way to address it. Why though

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Placing the soft caps for post 1.0.4 Mind is awkward. The curve is smoothed out significantly. After getting 6 or 7 FP per point from 35, 50 is the last time 7 FP is granted. And after that point until 57 there are 5 or 6 per. Then 58-60 provide 4 FP each. Then it clearly has a strong soft cap at 60 with only 2-3 FP per point after that.

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38 mind just triggers my ocd, 221 mind like why not give exactly the number we need AUGHH

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38 is the new practical cap, puts you at 221 which allows you to get full effect out of Cerulean flask. 44/45 if you are using Cerulean Seed Talisman which puts you at 262/268, where the buffed flask gives 264.

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Great time to be alive for spellcasters

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Patch 1.04 -- I have 14 Mind on my new Prophet and only 81 FP. It was 80 FP yesterday. Is the chart wrong for anyone else? It shows 91 FP for 14 Mind.

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Thanks for updating page so quickly, you guys rock.

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FP scaling changed as of Patch 1.04

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I wish I could level this irl

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I'm really torn on the scaling of mind.
I totally get that for lower levels (1-20) the payoff is not good, so as to defer melee builds from investing into it, which prevents additional skill spam (basically a good thing). On the other hand, because such a serious investment is needed for casters or spell blades, it leaves little room for other stats. It just feels bad that a whopping 40 mind is needed to be able to fully utilize one flask. And the way PvP meta is shaping up, 40 mind is very hard to justify for any mid level setting (RL80-125). I personally think mind should be rebalanced according to a triangular distribution that peaks at 30 (1 full +12 flask) and also increase cast speed the same way dex currently does.

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20-25 Mind seems sufficient for a build not focused around casting. Enough to use a few weapon arts or buffs, or to use an Elite summon without relying on physick.

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Focus resistance seems to kick off after 30 mind, gaining 3 points per stat until 40 mind. after that, it only gains 0~1 resist per mind.

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A new Ash of War, is needed for low FP users. Maybe one that functions like "Endure" where the user assumes a stance and restores say, 10 FP. Cannot be cancelled when initiated and used while moving. The user can hold the stance to further gain 3 FP/SEC for as long as the ability remains uninterrupted. Call it "meditation."

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25 points on it should be good for a melee user that wants to use weapon art and also for faith paladins. If you want more point you can have them from talisman and major rune.

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40 Mind seems to be needed to get the most of a +12 Cerulean Flask

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So its either you put 0 points or 57 if you want to get the best value... (until 20 its actually a waste of points)
and as you put more points in it you get more value- super counterintuitive imo...
No wonder people are hesitant on the "meta level" discussion threads...
I can't really agree with this balance, but I ain't nobody so...

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Underrated stat, weapon arts are so absurdly good now that a decent amount of Mind will let you obliterate enemies with ease.

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What would be a good stopping-point for this stat? I'm thinking 40, since it is equal to a +12 Cerulean Flask and still allows for ample investment in other stats.
Any other ideas?

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Spell casting breakpoints and low fp cost of spells you are gonna use against players, thos stat is balanced and you dont even know it. Maybe stop spamming hoarfrost stomp lol.

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Spell casting breakpoints and low fp cost of spells you are gonna use against players, thos stat is balanced and you dont even know it. Maybe stop spamming hoarfrost stomp lol.

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On one hand you need to invest pretty heavily just to have a decent amount of FP, so it should be buffed. On the other hand this meta is a little spamy so maybe its a good thing that people have smaller amounts of FP.

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It's a bummer this doesn't make much of an impact until 20+. I want some more FP, but it's hard to justify spending so much to get a couple more casts with not much else that is benefited from it.

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They really should have mind raise casting speed instead of dex this just makes strength/magic innately build worse than dex/magic builds. As mind is even as a pure caster I don't raise it over 20 it's just not worth it I have other stats that give more benefits by being raised instead

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Hmm, the stat could be a bit more
powerful but how? Yea, endurance raises stamina and equip load and so mind doesn’t have much going on for it. Maybe it could still cause memory slots to increase. Idk.

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So you need mind to increase number of cast/skill, then dex for speed, then one of three flavors for the actual spell. So if your using INT spells why not just use moonveil, dose not have the same limits as full magic yet scales with the right stats and still makes good use of mana.

Really looks like soft kind of just dumped stats and their uses with a hand wave "naa no ones gone criticizes use about out choices".

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Mind doesn't increase memory slots or even raise casting speed...

From really has something against casters VwV

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I'd really like to see Mind as the stat to reduce casting time instead of Dexterity.

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I don't... Mind... The slow start in the progression for this stat, as it forces melee characters to use weapon arts only when they need the boost rather than being spammy with them. As things are, if a melee character wants to abuse weapon arts, they'd have to spend so many points into Mind that they may as well play a caster.

Currently I'm forgoing Dex in favor of raw damage and flask efficiency with a Faith build, and it's scaling nicely. If you're worried about tankiness, look into summons to tank for you and drag around a 100% Physical shield just in case.

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So you're telling me that if I want to be a caster-oriented build, and invest into being a better caster, I need a separate stat to raise my FP, while I need another to raise my damage, and *another* one for raising my cast speed.
Let's be honest. Who even thought that was a good idea? Who said "Let's make them invest into 3 different stats for their damage build to be decent" and called it a day?
If we account Vigor too (which is a obvious choice to raise if you're playing for the first time, or are unfamiliar with the game), that's 4 stats to raise through the game. Unless you also want to wear heavier armor, in which case you need to level End too, making it 5 stats.
If Mind also raised Cast Speed, that would put it more on par with melee builds for stat investment (who raise End, Str or Dex, and Vigor). But it seems cast speed is tied to dexterity yet again.
Seems like this time, caster-oriented builds got the short straw. At least you get the consolation prize of knowing that your dex-caster can also fend itself in melee combat. Still a bit dissapointing though.

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Baffling that FP gains start so low. Base mana should be nerfed and Mind should start off giving 6 per point, dropping as more mind is invested. It's probably the worst star and having to spend so many levels to cast spells later on is the reason magic sucks so much while other builds get to spend those points on endurance thus allowing them to wear better armor. Besides outlier spells most of them are awful damage so it's not like mages are OP beyond cheese scenarios. Oh well.

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Remember that the FP gain per mind is more like FP gain * number of blue flasks carried. The softcap looks like 60, but it's really probably more like 50 since it seems like blue flasks restore 220 FP at most (without talismans).

You'll want a bit of a buffer to make sure you can cast until flasks restore the full amount, so 50 mind or a bit lower is where most builds will want to stop. Unless there's an FP regen talisman hiding somewhere, but that doesn't seem likely.

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I think the FP gain should be increased. I mean... What is a sorcerer without his blue juice? Before anyone complains on how to just not buff this aspect of this stat : consider how expensive most of the later spells are. I know, some of them cost less than their DS3 counterparts, but there are alot of powerful spells that absolutely drain your FP, also some can be charged, what results in an even more excessive FP drain. I chose a caster to cast. Yea, I know, there's something like melee weapons.. But c'mon.. How can you expect this wet noodle of a human being being capable of swinging a big sword? Alma's only going to hurt herself with it :x her power lies within magic.

*may contain sarcasm

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whole stat needs a buff

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All calculations were made using the Prophet (14 Mind) starting class:

Diminishing returns begin at 52 but it is worth levelling Mind up to 57 or 58 for optimal use of your levels. The averages are as follows...

52 Mind = a gain of 5.68 (2dp) per level invested
53 Mind = a gain of 5.74 (2dp) per level invested
54 Mind = a gain of 5.8 per level invested
55 Mind = a gain of 5.85 (2dp) per level invested
56 Mind = a gain of 5.88 (2dp) per level invested
57 Mind = a gain of 5.9 per level invested
58 Mind = a gain of 5.9 per level invested
59 Mind = a gain of 5.8 per level invested
60 Mind = a gain of 5.85 (2dp) per level invested

The reason this works is because the early levels of Mind investment only grant +3 FP, ramping up to +9 FP at level 52. It is worth persisting beyond level 52 to make use of the +8 / +7 levels...all of which are more optimal than the +3 / + 6 you have been gaining for most of the game.

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does it increase memory slots?

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At 20 Mind you have 100 FP, at 20 Att you have 150 FP. It seems like they nerfed attunement to compensate for Vitality being bundled with Endurance.

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big brain

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Same exact stats like in DS3

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