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I've come to like this weapon over time, because most of the people using it at low level (including the overlevelled bodyguards) are free kills/estus refills if you know what you're doing.

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The only people who defend the absurd amount of bs in this weapon are the ones who use it.
- High burst damage
- Almost impossible to react unless he spamms it
- Very low fp cost
- Can poise break you easily
- To strong in Pve and PvP
- Basically easy mode

This weapon and rivers of blood ruined the katana class reputation

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So there actually was an 'easy mode' like the reporters requested.

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"Oh man I'm bouta die, better press the I win button"

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Miss the frayed blade L2 R2

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Carried away, by a moonlight shadow~

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*invader's crying sounds*

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That Thing with Carian Moveset Mod you Literally become Vergil

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I’m convinced that all moonveilers I fought are the same person but changes there username, since I don’t believe that many people use the same 1IQ strategy of just spamming the weapon art, run away, drink blue flask, repeat. Use different weapons I’m tired of f stomping this overrated, L2 stick for the 30th time, because the users don’t know how to use a damn sword.

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use pkcs

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Actually weak and telegraphed like rivers of blood

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your stance on this weapon tells if elden ring was your first souls game

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Easy mode in PvE and PvP. The other player has to think and play well or he might end up losing 50% of his health to someone ligh rolling with Moonveil. Horrible weapon to fight against and such an insult towards Katanas.

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Pkcs pope isnt real, he cant hurt you
- pkcs pope

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Lots of buffs to stack on it, fun, quick skill, doesn't overshadow your sorceries, and makes Melania a whole lot easier without completely cheesing her. It seems to get a lot of hate, and I'm here to say that even if it's overpowered, (it definitely isn't compared to the weapons I've been using) it's fun af, and it isn't so overpowered that you forgo dodging just to spam the skill, say what you will about it, but it's hard to brute-force bosses with it, and that's enough for me.

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When I grabbed it for the 1st time I was really disappointed that L2 R2 was a series of slashes like the Freyed Blade. 2 projectiles for 2 attacks is a little bit lazy. I guess it was easier to add magic waves to standard unseathe rather than make animation for something new.

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This weapon, despite what it's users may feel, is busted. It's brokenness is as absolute as the Erdtree, as visible as the sun, as inarguable as the existence of the damn ocean. It's too fast, it does too much damage, and it's insanely easy to use. These things won't change unless From cripples it because it's INHERENTLY broken.

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Crutchveil

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FP cost should be twice what it is now, cooldown also doubled and reach shortened by about 20% on the vertical slash, then it would be one of the coolest, strongest and balanced weapons fromsoft has ever made for pve and pvp. so close to perfection, instead its just a pvp cheese unless the user is incompetent.

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PKCS clears this weapon

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How to Run Moonveil: A short rando's guide.

At Level 150-160, the best Moonveil stats are always going to be running 70-80 int, the bare minimum dex required for Darkmoon Blade (Partially so you can use the casting speed with Radagon's Icon, and also cause Darkmoon Blade is a good partner to Moonveil in PVE, allowing you to conserve spell slots) And then run 60 vigor and around 20 to 25 Endurance if you want to wear armor with higher defense. The good thing about Moonveil is that it excels as a bleed buildup weapon against bosses like Adula and Mohg who tank Transient Moonlight like its nothing. People spam the Ash of War so much they forget that it is pretty much an Uchigatana at the end of the day and can be used to decently melee an opponent. Never forget to learn to roll and R1 attack, and then use the Ash of War as a surprise to throw off invaders. If you just do nothing but spam the AOW against invaders, if they're veteran players usually they will easily dodge as despite its speed its easy to predict you at that point, and the R1 AOW is near useless while the R2 AOW has too narrow a firing point to connect with those who dodge side to side. Use the cover of something like freezing mist and then whamo, catch them with an R2 AOW during a smoke screen. Like it or not, despite the hate on this thread, even this weapon requires skill, especially since most know what to expect from it. Know this, and you will even destroy other moonveil users, with the results not even being close.

The 60 Vigor is unconventional for most Moonveil Users btw, as most Moonveil Users are pure caster builds with low 40 health builds. However, the only spells you need on a dedicated Moonveil build is a phalanx type spell to keep your enemies from charging in and a good smokescreen and distance creator like Freezing Mist. Vigor and Poise gives your moonveil dedicated options, such as tanking a powerful blow to land an even stronger Transient Moonlight attack to outlast an opponent for the win, or r1 duelling with a player spamming the Tree Sentinel Shield. And furthermore, again, most players don't expect moonveilers to be so chonky outside of colleseum, where everyone builds nothing but chonk and fat fire prelate/Lionel mismatch pieces.

For Fashion:

Samurai armors for obvious reasons.
Carian Knight's armor matches Moonveil's color and theme so well, it almost looks like Moonveil was made for a Carian Knight by a smith from the Land of Reeds. Honestly it wouldn't be surprising if that is its actual lore. It is called "Moon" veil after all. If it were any other sorcerer it would be Star Veil or something, but it is Renalla who introduced moon spells into Liurnia's magic schools.

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Rage commentators wondering why they keep getting downvoted by most of the community. Its because if you want to play what you want to play.. that's elden ring. Don't tell somebody how to play the game. Most invasions are unwanted. If they moonveil you as an invader.. well don't blame them. they didn't use taunter's tongue. If an invader moonveils you, what do you expect when you're 3 v 1? Yes its frustrating to get moonveiled. But its not pokemon. Souls games are about finding whatever means you can to trick or crush your enemies. If we're talking Colesseum, yes, Moonveil's just crazy in colleseum, but so are the giant poise fat prelate runners who take only 3 health from Moonveil attacks and Corpse Pile Spammers. Move on, take a breather, play another game for a bit then come back if it enrages you a lot. Its not worth getting mad over a weapon like this. Especially since it really sucks against bosses compared to other inferior in pvp weapons.

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Imagine making Elden Ring and not adding such a cool weapon like Moonveil to your game because bunch of mentally unstable kids and tryhards don't want other people to have fun.

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using this for vergil "cosplays" is more disrespectful than what capcom did to him in the dmc reboot, frayed blade was the closest we ever got

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Virgin elden ringers: hahaha moonveil go brrr.
Chad elden ringers: GGGRRRIFFFFFFFFFITTTTTHHHH.
Bleach enjoyers: This is legitimately the closest thing to tensa zangetsu we have in this game.

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Gigachads: use cool weapons like blasphemous blade, Greatsword, Giant Crusher

Gigasoys: Only use Moonveil and L2 L2 L2

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This community is weird as hell on one hand you have people who hate this on the other you have people who love it. Make up your mind already.

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PvP has tons of unbalanced nonsense but this is absolutely one of the worst offenders. I don't blame people for using it but it never should have existed, at least not in this state. The AoW should have been literally twice as slow or more, it is way too fast with too much range and damage. You can't have EVERYTHING in a weapon like this, being able to punish your opponent for half their health for doing literally anything within 30 feet of you. The PvE suffers from stuff like this too. Part of the reason late-game Elden Ring is so cringe compared to other From games with stupid enemies like the Castle Sol ghost knights that teleport behind you into a 10-hit combo is because the player's power scales to such a stupid degree. You can't give the player access to Moonveil, Stars of Ruin, Comet Azur, Bolt of Gransax, Dragonsbreath incantations, Spirit ashes that solo bosses for you, etc. without either severely limiting the player's FP (which they didn't) or introducing ridiculously broken enemies to match the player's ridiculously broken abilities.

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Everyone who leaves a mean comment on this page about Moonveil is just mad because they got their **** wrecked and got pointed down on lmao

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it's pretty mid in pvp considering you can acquire death's poker way easier than this and it'll absouletly destroy everything in pve that can be frostbitten.

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Can someone say WHY IS THIS KATANAS SKILL SO GOOD?

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I hope you enjoy your time with this in PVE, but only there because mobs can't have their fun ruined.

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if you want an int/dex weapon with projectiles that's like a billion times more fun to use and doesn't have the reputation of being used by slop-brained idiots like Elon Musk then go use the Wing of Astel!

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Ah yes, the "I've benn stuck on Malenia for a month and do not give a single **** anymore" stick.
God, simply giving Unsheathe a projectile looks so cool, but I wish it had a better reputation. It just looks way too cool.

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More like Noobveil, am I right or am I right?

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Struggles against fast mobs - like dogs.

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It's only saving grace is its weapon art. Every other aspect sucks compared to Wing of Astel. It's slow especially for its damage, it doesn't poise break, it misses easily, and it's power attack is so slow it can only be used on retarded mobs. Used it till I got Wing on original game now trying it again on NG+ and it's just stupid. Only good for skill spamming.

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Can't help it but will always call any moonveil user a noob. I just can't take them seriously at this point. Skilled players just don't use moonveil, well maybe except for a hard swap into L2 from a different weapon to finish people off with a roll catch, but other than that I don't see the point.

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All these whiny babies make me want to go and dual wield Moonveils and just Transient moonlight even harder.

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Moonveil spammers when I beat them with my none meta, cosplay build: No,You Cheated, Cheater cheater, NERF NERF BROKEN WEAPON gahaghagaga.
( note Moonveil users and spammers are not the same, spammers only know how to press L2+R2/R1, and maybe L1 if there power stancing)

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Goated wit the guap fr on god

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I don’t mind fighting people who use this weapon. I can just learn and move on when I lose. Have yet to encounter one that throws crap pots and/or using emotes like an arrogant turd.

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reminder we'll be getting a great-katana class in the dlc, who's ready to be l2'd to death by moonveil 2?

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We all know if this thing gets nerfed a whole but load of people will cry there eyes out. And I honestly don’t care if they do.

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I prefer Uchigatana with Carian Grandeur AoW. Pre-emptively cast Greatblade Phalanx, when enemy runs towards you charge up Carian Grandeur. The combo will stagger most enemies. Follow up with a crit attack. Works pretty well against many bosses as well. If not just spam spells and win.

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chad weapon

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i've been using this thing my whole game. exclusively because i think it's cool. in duels i win pretty much as often as i lose. I just find using something like the dark moon greatsword and suddenly switching to finish with transient moonlight to be a fun finisher

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Bleed feels so vestigial on this thing, like the weapon art isn't going to be what's doing the heavy lifting 99.9% of the time

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Dumb friend wont let me use rivers of blood, gotta use this instead :heartbroken_emoji:

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Soulsborne players when someone uses game mechanics to play the game (they're not actively gimping themselves to make the game harder than it actually is)

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I play offline only pve and use moonveil mage build bc that's how I feel like playing. Souls games have never been primarily about the PVP, and yet it's hard to look up moonveil tips without very vocal kids whining about it

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There are dozens of more interesting and versatile weapons with stronger AoW/skills than Moonveil and you use it only because that one guide said this is "one of the best weapons in the game" and it has cool flashy L2.

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did they nerf this a little ? either the damage isn't that good anymore or I'm too used to gcs now (pve)

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Curious how fromsoftware turned the Rivers of Blood into a D-tier weapon while leaving this thing untouched

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I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING

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Missed opportunity to have Moonveil inflict frostbite instead of bleed, to keep up with the whole "cold moon magic" theme prevalent throughout the rest of the game. Would've been badass to proc the -20% negation debuff on an enemy before finishing them off with an L2 plus bleed is hella over-used

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This weapon is great for int/dex builds. It allows you to hit the boss during some of their moves, and deals a ton of poise damage, so you get a lot of staggers. If you want to go pure dex a regular katana or uchigatana will likely serve you better. It requires pretty high intelligence, so don't waste the levels if you aren't going to incorporate some sorcery on the side.

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I just sever if I invade and somebody using this. If I can't sever, just let them win. Congratulations!!. You won!

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If u are new player and u read on some guide this wepon is op i am here to tell you its not. Cuz u will be playing mostly pve and this weapon is not that great its int uchigana that is beter than moonveil. Its dmg js rly meh if you compare it to beter builds. I never tested her for lik llvl 100+ cuz i swap it to moonveil sword. Its degenerate in pvp tho and a nightmare to new players that want to get it.

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Common souls whining thread here

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I don't use this weapon, but if people want to then let them like for real i have played soulslikes for so long and the people in this community gatekeep way too hard like its a game bro

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from should give transient moonlight hyperarmor, not unsheathe though. actually give unsheathe negative hyperarmor

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I feel like they should nerf the range of the WA, then I feel like this weapon would be perfect fair and not make me having a head ache every time I fight it. Then they just leave it alone.

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From the moment I understood the weakness of normal moveset, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of the weapon art. I aspired to the purity of the blessed L2. Your kind cling to your "honor" as if it will not...decaaay and fail you. One day, your "skill" will prove useless, and you will beg the L2 to save you.
But I, am already saved. For the spammer is immortal.
Even in death, I press L2.

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Whenever you beat a veiler in pvp be sure to give them a clap to show your appreciation for their tremendous skill at using L2 + R2. Truly, it takes a gifted individual to do the same thing over and over and over again with such refinement. Touché.

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people... it's a video game!

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I kind of hate that people hate on me for using this. I don't even play pvp. It's just a fun weapon to use. it's cool and I get to run an Ichigo cosplay. if you have a problem with it blame Fromsoft. Nobody ever blames somebody for using Landorus in Pokemon tournaments when its "Uber tier" because Pokemon doesn't abide by Smogon. So why does From need to abide by some Fan tier lists? Also for invaders who get cranky for me using this? Well I didn't ask you to invade me.. and tell me you ARENT going to try something like leading me into enemies to kill me or shooting me with a bow from a billion miles away. Invasions aren't fair.. it's specifically built to troll, so excuse me if I get mad and start trolling right back. Deal with it.

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People who use MV and actually use the full move set: cool, fun to fight, has self control
People who use MV and just spam the ash of war: uncool, annoying, probably lives in there parents basement

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Laughs in Golden Retaliation

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It’s a shame this weapon is such a BatChest meme because it’s actually a really cool weapon all around. The design is beautiful if you actually get a closer look at it, and so is the WA. The idea of a magic enhanced variant of unsheathe just makes sense. The little story you get in the description is cool. It’s just a nice weapon, so it sucks that you get viciously bullied for choosing to use it.

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Golden barrier moment

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Where tf is my plastic chair

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Okay but it looks so cool I can’t not use it. Shame to all AOW spammers, but powerstanced great spears and multi shot sorceries are far worse than some katana kashinka; I will die on that hill with NO hesitation (for if you hesitate, you lose).

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But what if I use it cause it looks pretty??? I swear I don’t spam the AOW I super swear it just is a rad looking katana

Also even if I did still better than running attack powerstance greatspears and I WILL die on that hill zero hesitation (for if you hesitate, you lose)

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moonveil pros downvoting everything, cant do anything other than spamming the busted AOW that costs nothing, is faster than daggers and takes at least half hp even with good vigor, and they have the audacity to say skill issue when they lack it completely

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the ganker stick

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Kill all veilers!

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This weapon made me hate Katanas to the core. It is broken very broken.
You can literally trade with the hyper armor that this thing has on its ash of war REACTIONARY in PvP. It can poise break you easily, deals HUGE dmg and it 100% needs a nerf. This thing dodged any nerf way too long. You can not even punish the Ash of War with a good connection; give it either a higher frame start-up or a longer recovery time after using the Ash of War.

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I legitimately have PSTD from this weapon and throw up because of it.

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Knowing the invader I just merked with my 6th consecutive L2 is absolutely seething is just the icing on the cake. Absolutely adore this weapon.

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Sorry for the Sermon, but I feel this needs to be said given the extreme divisiveness over this weapon as well as another annoying katana (cough cough.. bleed bleed).

I honestly don't hate anyone who kills me with this in Invasions when I'm the invader. It's usually people who are not playing for pvp, so it is an easy answer to dealing with it. If I look at it from their point of view, they just wanna get through the area, that's why they summoned friends, and here I am being annoying and turning up. So they don't care about a fair fight they just wanna get past me and move on. And this is me turning up ON TOP of the fact the game is already legit triggering.. they probably died in this area 4 times and then finally made it this far. Also in PVE its a fair weapon that isn't much better than most other weapons due to bosses being heavily stagger resistant. Honestly Darkmoon Greatsword is probably WAY better for being good for both pvp and pve thanks to range, damage, status buildup and FP conservative so you don't even need to waste spell slots on generic projectile spells like comet or glintstone pebble.

Its people who use it in PVP arena that can be genuinely annoying. I can't fault them though. PVP is not balanced and never will be, and the same people who complain about this weapon are running around with Bleed Cheese Rivers of Blood. If you want a "Fair Fight" find a community that lives for that, enter their codes and only fight amongst each other, Don't blame that rando that comes in with Moonveil, Astel's Meteor and a Rayquaza or something. Nothing prevented them from bringing it and they probably don't know people hate it, and rightfully they don't care, cause they're not coming here to be meanspirited, they just wanna play Elden Ring. And I'm a Dex Main with Malenia's hand as a main, probably one of the most mid weapons with an AOW that can both be great or terrible depending who I fight. I've been parried to hell, wrecked with Death's Rancor, obliterated by Moonveils, ROB'ed to hell while spammed with bloodflies. You gotta learn to let go. Elden ring is the BIGGEST game on the planet, its already toxic as a result, don't add to it. At the end of the day, its a game.

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Spoonveil

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My 11 year old daughter lilly had a tantrum when someone killed her with this so it should be banned

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Ash of war alert

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Spoonveil as in spoonthatscoopssh!tveil- PKCS Pope

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Annoying weapon in pvp

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Anyone know what Transient Moonlight gets it’s damage? Does the projectile scale with Intelligence or the weapon’s AR?

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Goat sword with proper magic scaling in pve.Mattlemage feels great to play.

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Gonna be straight up honest. I use it for several reasons as my primary weapon as my "Blade of Ranni" character. Number 1.. I like roleplaying being Ranni's version of Malenia. Just as Malenia protects Miquella, I protect Ranni. Malenia is the faith variation, I'm the Magic Variation. She's his sister I'm her wife. She uses a gold blade I use a silver one..

Number 2: It matches my Carian Knight armor.

Number 3: The skill is FUN.. it's not just op.. its genuinely fun to Getsuga Tenshou ****. The weapon is one of the coolest looking ones in the game.

Number 4: ... PVP aside, I hate dealing with Invaders interrupting me when I'm trying to just get my randos to the boss room. This melts them quick while not eating too many of my flasks so I can MOVE on with my life. So if invaders decide to complain "You spammer" Well.. what did you expect? you invaded my world, I didn't ask you to come here. Eat the consequences of your actions in the form of transient moonlight.

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For casuls who can't hit with unsheathe and need a projectile to hit Lol PKCS is so much better. -PKCS Pope

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It’s still broken but the players who use it don’t level vigor and die fast. I’ve literally one shot them at lvl125 with GH running r2… just 30str too. Ofcourse, in a duel, it’s not common to fight someone good with it… but a mage with 50 vigor and right stats can win trades against collosals by reaction L2. Every time. Hyper armor defense be damned. Missing the L2 is also a free r1 if someone tries to punish the miss. They expect moonveil users to panic roll but you can just r1 or L2 again. And again. And again. Just wait for your opponent to move to L2 then away. And people sprinting might not be able to press roll fast enough (same button as sprint!!!.) Katanas are just broken especially in 1.10, lightning unsheathe does even more damage than moonveil and frost spinning slash will frost, bleed and vigor check.

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It's a videogame use whatever you want but don't pretend that your L2 into R2 is a display of skill, especially when it's the 4 time in a row that you spam it bruh

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Honestly for me this katana is a biggest disappointment ever, I explored Lurnia, Limgrave and Caelid with Uchigatana but I got bored of it after that so for the Altus Plateau and Mountaintops of the Giants I've switched to Moonveil and I first it seemed like it was a actual upgrade compared to Uchigatana with it's weapon art... but I realised it's pretty much Uchigatana with weapon art that extends it's range and does magic damage which in it's own right is just "meh".

This was my first playthrough with Katanas (and first in Elden Ring) because finally there was good Ronin/Samurai drip in the game compared to Dark Souls 1/3, and in addition I've did multiple runs there with great axes, great swords&colossal swords and when I compare those times in DS with big ass weapons to my run with Katanas in ER then yeah I had much more fun in DS with big ass weapons.

Gonna try other katanas as well but so far meh.

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The 7th L2+R2 is a mixup

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To all people who want to use this on their 1st playthrough, just don't

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I don't mind the weapon itself, but players who spam the AoW in pve while standing from everything as far as possible just trіgger me. You know, if you hit the boss with the blade while L2 R2 they take more health and poise damage

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I like it, don't get me wrong, it is a really nice piece of glintstone, but it does not quite suit my playstyle. Therefore, I use Wing of Astel instead when facing invaders, duelists and hosts. If I want heavy damage against NPCs and bosses, I use night comet.

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Haha you hate a fictional videogame weapon, how do you feel.

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Id rather fight this than Dual Spears

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Just letting whoever is able to to know, but the moonlight shinobi written guide link goes to the moonlight samurai, not shinobi.

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