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Might be a silly question, but is there a limit to off hand buffs provided by the seals?

Much like how I am using the Erdtree Seal as my main and the godslayer on my offhand for the boost (+10%), if I had also equipped the giant's seal and gravestone seal off-hand, would I also receive their respective 15 and 20% for their own spells?

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what does upgrtading seals do?

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I hope the DLC introduces a Seal that lets us cast Sorceries.

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I hope the DLC gives us a Seal that can cast sorceries.

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I miss the sound of the chime from mark soups

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How about a blood seal that scales on hp and faith and uses hp for increased blood magic damage I just like weapons that eat health they tend to be really strong

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Erdtree Seal should buff elden star and wraith of gold by 10%

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Hoping for a Crucible or Miquella seal in the DLC, should be pretty hype regardless tho

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Wish we could infuse these with atleast kick. Whenever I see "no skill" feels like the game is mocking me for using spells

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GOS have highest incantation scaling, so its why is GOS my fav seal.

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i wish we had weapons that double as faith catalists like in dark souls 3, hopefully in the dlc

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I wish you could put ashes of war on seals (besides parries said by anon dec-5-2023 I think endurance would also be nice to have)

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I want ashes of war on seals especially parries bc I love just having the option and don't want to have to carry a rickety shield just to stand in front of a guy and try to parry an attack 5 times in a row to fail each time and die.

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Here's hoping for a big heavy seal that doubles as a fist weapon

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What is the purple stat inc stand for next to critical? I assume incantation but there’s already an incantation scaling stat? Can you elaborate on it and it’s function because I noticed most seals have a inc of 60 but then some of in the hundreds? Thank you!

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i hope they add more seals that specialize in a certain incantation class, i would really love to see a formless mother seal.

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Is it possible to use seals even when there's a red X becsuse requirements are not met?
I mainly ask because of support incantations, no offensive.
Heal etc

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Alright, I know this is just being picky now but I kind of want a seal that scales mainly in Faith with a secondary lower scaling in Arcane. I know that the dragon communion seal already exists but I just want a seal where I can use the more Faith demanding spells like Black Blade and have better scaling while also being able to benefit from any arcane stats I have to use dragon or blood incantations for status build-up, It can be Mohg themed. At the end of the day, I know it's just me being picky and it probably won't happen but I just wanted to throw it out there.

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I wish you could put ash of wars on seals, I think being able to parry with a seal would be sick.

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I keep hearing people in vids talk about holding a seal while using certain weapons, what's that all about? I came here seeing if it actually buffs anything and was left empty handed.

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I wished they added a seal which can cast both sorceries and incantations like in dark souls. I can see why they likely couldn't but it would've been cool as hell

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Seals need an ash of war. It doesn't have to be good, I just want the option.

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pretty insane that demon's souls, ds2 and 3 had at least 1 staff/chime that was able to do more than just one type of magic class while er has nothing like that, especially since law of regression is an int miracle that's required for one of the best endings subjectively speaking

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All sacred seals scale primarily with faith, which makes sense, but there are additionally seals that scale secondarily with strength, intelligence, and arcane... but none that scale with dex? Not even the Gravel Stone Seal, which boosts dragon incantations, which are all lightning based, when lightning damage scales with dex...

I get that Dex is commonly leveled along with faith / int because it reduced casting time, so it might be a little too strong if it had an A or even B scaler like Golden Order or Dragon Communion seals, but it you're playing a lighting oriented build, it just feels bad not being able to infuse your offhand melee weapon with lightning because it does literally half the damage of a a flame art infused weapon if you have 60+ faith.

The Gravel Stone Seal should have like a C scaling with Dex instead of a D in Strength, so you still get a boost from dex but not as much as you get with other seals that have split or bonus scaling aside from faith

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How come seals don't have the glow in hand when equipped that matches their theme? (godslayer seal glow black, dragon glow red etc.) They all have the golden glow when wielded.

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I have the dragon communion seal. At what point should I switch from dragon communion seal to godslayer seal? Or to erdtree?

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Personally, I think you should be able to use at least some ashes of war on seals, and here are ones that I think should/could work for certain reasons such as; Ashes that don't require/use the weapon you’re holding (kick, endure, the butt slams, earthshaker, quickstep/bhs, beast roar, storm stomp, lightning ram, hoarfrost stomp, white shadows lure) Ashes that make weapons/use fists (spectral lance, life steal fist, flame of the redmanes) some shield ashes (parries that produce a special effect (thops, golden, etc), vow of the indomitable, holy ground) and those with an incantation/sorcery counterpart (the Carian swords, glintblade phalanx, thunderbolt, golden vow), and even some that most likely wouldn't really work (Royal knights resolve, determination, raptors of the mist), and some of these ashes could fall into multiple categories. Now just to be clear I'm not saying all of these would properly/should work and even doubt ones like those with incantation/sorcery counterparts (you basically get an extra spell slot for free) and some that deal damage but for the bare minimum at least those that have nothing to do with weapons/damage (quickstep, vow of the indomitable, endure, holy ground, etc). Now idk what else to type yall get the idea, also many of these could also apply to staffs.

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Why is there no real Dex/Faith hybrid seal(Flame Frenzy scaling is crap) for lightning damage?? Huge oversight by Fromsoft.

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Dragon communion seal is the best scaling seal at low investment. At mid and higher investment its very close with golden order seal. For weapon buffs and instant heal the best is godslayer seal and later erdtree seal

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With all the odd decisions Fromsoftware made in designing many of the weapons with them just throwing random stats at things I am really glad the way they made the seals. Things like Dragon Communion Seal scaling off arcane and Clawmark scaling off strength are two examples. Enabling players to dip their toes into incantations as a supportive tool without needing to invest heavily into another stat. They only need enough faith to equip the spells. Sure they won't be as powerful as they would be in a pure faith build but having it at all can be better than nothing.

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faith > 70: erdtree seal
faith < 70: godslayer seal
scaling is funny

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uhhh... i don't think that "mohgwyn's sacred spear" and the "sacred relic sword" count as sacred seals, even if they do have "sacred" in the name

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in short erdtree seal is the best for pure faiths you welcome

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Do seals provide poise???

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How is a seal that scales with FOUR FREAKING ATTRIBUTES WORSE than the ones that acale with two!!?? HOW!?

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I use a +10 golden order seal with 71 int and 70 faith and I get 376 incant scaling

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8n what order do I go through on these seals? Do I move from finger to Eritrea first or is there a different order of when they are encountered?

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Just did some calculations about the godslayer and erdtree seal. since the erdtree is weightless it saves you about 2 levels of endurance for medium equip load and about 4 levels for light load.

looking only at faith, the godslayer's seal has the highest spellbuff up until 68 faith, after 69 (nice) the erdtree seal takes over.

HOWEVER since the erdtree seal allows you to cheap out on a few levels of endurance, starting at 60 faith you can start thinking about using the erdtree seal instead of the godslayer.

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A question about leveling up the seals with smithing stones:
Does it affect the scaling of buffs like "golden vow" or "flame grant me strength"? (Which I currently use in a build)

Golden vow gives 15% additional damage and Fgms gives 20%.
Is this affected in any way bei either the level of the seal or the the Faith stats?

Or is the scaling of the seal only affect damage dealing Spells / incantations?

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erdtree seal is missing the fact that it buffs the Erdtree school of incants, those being erdtree heal, blessing of the erdtree, protection of the erdtree, black flame, blessings boon, barrier of gold, wrath of gold, golden lightning fortification, golden vow, and the three aspects of the crucible incantations

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I'm struggling to understand the incantation scaling column. For the seals that scale with multiple stats are they shows with only one of those stats leveled to 80 or is it measured off of having them all at 80? I'm assuming it's just the one stat but some of the scaling is a bit misleading if that's the case.

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Does anyone else miss those catalyst-weapon hybrids that were in Dark Souls 3? Here’s hoping that concepts like those are brought back in DLC

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Why is there no Seal that scales with INT and not FAI (similar to Staff of the Guilty)? Doesn't have to be good scaling, but give us something!

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Thanks!

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Clawmark Seal is the absolute best hands down. Since Strength and Faith synergize pretty well like Intelligence and Dexterity do, so the probability is high you have some strength stat too. I tested lightning spear, catch flame, and wrath of gold with each seal on the Omens in the first sewer grace at +14 (+6 somber respectively) and every time the clawmark was best even without twohanding and it wasn't really close. Faith was 58. It's ridiculous. I wish the other talismans were better given their look and descriptions but they honestly aren't. Godslayer and then the first basic seal were the next closest. Let's face it, you aren't going to have max level weapons or even close to a capped stat for the far majority of the game and you get this seal very early. Seems unbalanced.

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Hot take here but:

I understand it's a smart thing but you shouldn't have to use a different seal/staff in the casting hand from the one focused on an incantation class just to get more damage, the scaling is higher yes but the passive buff to certain spells should just be sky high in comparison for thematic build's sake.

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I have a +25 godslayer's sacred seal and +10 golden order sacred seal. The GSS shows incant scaling of 323, or close to that and the GOS shows 339. So does the higher incant scaling on the golden order seal trump the damage bonus of the godslayer's seal when casting the blackflame incantations taking into account it has lower incant scaling.?
I see the same thing with the giants, and gravel stone seals both have lower scaling but a damage bonus to their respective incantation class.

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I have a +25 godslayer's seal and +10 golden order seal. GOS is showing 338 or 339 incant scaling and I think the GSS shows 320. So does 339 on golden order seal out class the 320 godslayer's seal for casting blackflame incantations taking the boost it gives them into account?

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The table currently lacks "Incant Scaling" data on the Maxed page. Should at least include the base so we can compare.

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They need a dex and faith scaling seal. They have everything but that.

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Make the gravel-stone seal have dex scaling.

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I am going for the giant seal because it boosts fire

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It seems like the Dragon Communion Seal is not Capped at 387 Scaling, I got a +10 Dragon Communion Seal +10 and have 407 Incant Scaling (99 Arc, 80 Faith)

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So this is what i gather from looking at all the seals:
Finger seal: goofy ahh basic seal
Godslayer seal: upgrade to finger seal, go to mid game seal for fth
Dragon comunnion seal: best for arcane
Erdtree seal: best for pure fth end game
Clawmark: good for str/fth hybrid
Frenzied flame: very situational, only dex scaling seal. Good for those who put points everywhere.

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I kinda wish there was a blood-Incantation bosting seal. I just kinda think that damage type is left out.

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Once again fromsoft proves they have no idea how to design a game

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Sorry my spacing sucked below-For the hybrid folks: Strength 60 Dexterity 50 Intelligence 10 Faith 62 --> Frenzied Flame Seal +10 Incantation Scaling = 298 --> Clawmark Seal +25 Incantation Scaling = 297

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For the hybrid folks:

Strength 60 Dexterity 50 Intelligence 10 Faith 62

Frenzied Flame Seal +10 Incantation Scaling = 298
Clawmark Seal +25 Incantation Scaling = 297

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So for a STR/FTH build, should I use the clawmark seal?

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Antoine know where are the Dragon communion and Godslayer's seal in v.1.05? Because they are not where it says in the guide

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I think we need a dex-scaling seal that isn't the Frenzy Flame one.

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I will be lvling faith olny up to 25 points for some specific buffs to juse. What seal whud be good to juse at 25points? Right now I am jusing Finger Seal but some recomended me also Godslayer's Seal or Golden Order Seal bicose I juse sorcery as my main stat for spells so it is 80. In the end I will have 80int/25faith. Any advice is apricieted.

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In short erdtree is thebest for pure faith builds at 80

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Would be nice if seals had an ash of war. At least let kick or parry be equipped to them.

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I love (sarcasm) how they made 6 seals scale with strength and the top scaling is a B. But only 1 scales with dex rated at a C.

I guess intelligence deserves an A rating seal because, uh, uhm,... cast-bros gotta cast.

Sooooper balanced. :p

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blood seal,rot seal, spell and incantation staff or seal?

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So, when choosing what Seal to use, there's some things to keep in mind:

Erdtree Seal is the most stat efficient seal. If you consider you're already investing 30-50 points into Fth in order to access incantations themselves you then only need another 50-30 points in order to reach the last soft cap of 80.

Finger Seal and Godslayer Seal are worth using as you gain points in Fth as they will perform better at 10-26 and 27-68 Fth compared to Erdtree.

Gravel Stone, Frenzied Flame and Giant's Seals are only worth using if you're primarily using their respective spell schools and aren't dual wielding (Since then you can simply off hand them for their bonus and use a stronger seal to cast)

Dragon Communion Seal can offer an efficient increase in power. If you get the 45 Fth soft cap (Which will also let you cast most incantations) and then pump Arc you can get higher scaling than Erdtree.

Dragon Communion Seal is the best seal to use if you're not using scaling spells (Which are ones that deal damage/direct healing as well as weapon buffs) since it's available early in the game and weighs nothing. Even if you don't have the stats for it, that doesn't matter because you can still cast incantations with it just fine (So if you're a pure Int build wanting to use Law of Regression or a Str/Dex build wanting to use FGMS or FCM)

Clawmark Seal is good for Str builds that want to use damage or direct healing incantations, but if you're just after buffs then Dragon Communion or Finger/Godslayer seals will perform better (The former for weight the latter for if you're using weapon buffs like Electrify Armament/Bloodflame Blade)

Golden Order seal is only good if you're investing heavily into Int. Either as a primarily Int build splashing into some incantations, or a full on Int/Fth build using Prince of Death's Staff. Though it can also be used as an alternative to Dragon Communion Seal for non-scaling incants as it is also an easy to obtain 0 weight seal.

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Does dual wielding the seals even do anything? I use the Black Flame Fireball a LOT. I just got the Erdtree seal. Buffed it up. Put that in my right hand and the Godslayer seal (also buffed up) in my left. Casted with my right hand. Medium damage. Casted with my left hand. Full damage. I want the Erdtree seal to be my main but I also want to use Godslayer and Gravel Stone to cast Black Flame and Dragon Cult incants. At this point it seems dual wielding doesn't do anything to boost damage. Anyone tried this?

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For those interested, because weapon buff incants (electrify armament, bfb, etc.) only use the faith scaling on your seal and ignore anything else, the best seals for those spells are as follows:

Finger seal for faith below 27
Godslayer seal for faith 27 to 68
Erdtree seal for faith 69 (nice) and up

This is all assuming the seal is max upgraded

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Where TF is my combination sorcery and faith seal for gesture casting hadokens and rock slinging people with my mind alone, for somewhat reduced effectiveness but an altogether good time?!

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why do all the seals have that stupid orange glow... I'm just trying to make my guy look blue for chrissake

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Wish the seals that weighed gave more scaling. There's been so many times where my build is .5% off from med rolling due to a physical seal weighing 1.5 Miyazaki.

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Why doesn't this list the incant. scaling?

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Choosing the right seal for your build and the types of incants you intend to use is one of the hardest decisions in the game, but as far as I can tell the tldr is for buffing/healing incants Finger > Godslayer's > Erdtree depending on which one you have enough FAI to use, for attacking incants you'll want to use Clawmark, Golden Order or Dragon Communion depending on your primary damage stat

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As a melee player that's mainly interested in heals/buffs it would be really nice if the UI showed both the FTH only and combined incant scaling values for hybrid seals

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I really hope they buff the pure faith sacred seals. Incant scaling is way too low to be pure faith.

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What exactly do the seal buffs do? 20% damage increase? So it doesn’t affect the buff incantations like Vyke’s Dragonbolt Blessing or any other incantation that isn’t explicitly a projectile?

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Given the fact that there's like 4 godslayer incantations the talismans should pump it to 15 or 20, it would be nice if the giants seal actually pumped all fire incantations including bloodflame and blackflame but with lower boost

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Kinda of a bummer we dont have a seal that scales with faith and dex like the clawmark scales with faith and strenght. Making a lightining build is so awkward, the weapons scales purely with dex but then we have the incantations that scales purely with faith

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What seal do you need for Vyke's dragonbolt?

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what ist the best seal for only 15 Faith? I'm only using flame grant me strength and bloodflame blade on my Strength/Dex Bloodhounds fang build`

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Does incantation scaling increase as you upgrade the seal?

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what is the best seal for aspect of the crucible incantations, I would use erdtree seal but it doesn't buff the incantations, should i stick with erdtree or go with something else?
im doing a Strength/ faith crucible knight build

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can someone help with this? i am planing on teleport there too to get the Erdtree Seal early for my faith character, does going there that early do grab that break or skip any quests?

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What‘s the difference between „Inc Scal“ and „Inc“?!

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What is the difference between "Inc Scal" and "Inc"? Or rather, what exactly is "Inc", because I can't make sense out of this value.

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Best deal for 20 - faith ? I'm min/maxing a character .

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Thank you for this

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peepoo

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What's even the point of seeing that Clawmark Seal at 80 faith and strength has 318 inc scaling, it would be much more worth it to use stats regular players would have and not the soft caps for every stats influencing inc scaling.

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dragon seal or clawmark seal for strength/arcane builds?

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The dragon seal makes good work with blood incantations

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No blood seal ☹️

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At max rank with their respective stats maxed, the difference between Dragon Communion and Golden Order Seals are negligible, like a 10 dmg difference (tested on Omen, Roadside Underground, different kinds of incants). The lesser seals are basically playing catch up with them when it comes to their preferred incantation types, except for Frenzied Flame Seal, which actually does a significant amount more damage vs the two when using frenzy flame style spells(+~300 for Frenzied Burst, for example).

My two cents is that Dragon Communion are for builds using arcane hybrids like dex/arc or Golden Order for using Prince of Death Staff but both are really great endgame, especially when it comes to quick repeat spells like Stone of Garrunq, where you can really see the difference to both damage and stamina+focus efficiency.

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Gotta love how not a single seal aside from the vastly underperforming Frenzy seal scales with Dex.

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Something i found odd and interesting,

Even though my clawmark seal incant scale is 128
And my finger seal is 113

When i use electrify armament, my finger seal boosts more than clawmark seal.

Same with orders blade and bloodflame blade.

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Does someone know what the best seal for 50 or 60 faith is? Godslayer maybe?

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doo doo dee dee poo poo pee pee

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I am thoroughly impressed with how far FromSoft has come. It's flooded with weapons, armor, spells, summons, ashes of war, and enemies to use them on. A near endless amount of content awaits any player who picks up this game. I'm so looking forward to the dlc and future ER titles to come.

This is hands down game of the year. Only other games that might even come close to touching this are GoW 2 or BotW 2 if they release this year.

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This is not reliable - they say certain Sacred Seals will boost certain Incants - well, from my testing, using my highest faith scaling Seal gives the most damage regardless of the Incantation. For example, Godslayer's seal provides higher damage compared to Giants Seal when casting Giants Seal Incantations. So, the "Boost" the Giants Seal gives for it's Incantations is lower when using my Godslayer's Seal - i found this to be true with all Seals - the Seal that has the Highest Faith scaling will out perform all others regardless of the Specified Incantation

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