Sacred Seals are a type of Weapon in Elden Ring. They are used to cast Incantations and are usually tied to the Faith stat.

Sacred Seals cannot be given new Ashes of War or armament buffs.

Elden Ring Sacred Seals

 

 

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Elden Ring Sacred Seals Base Values

Quick Search of All Weapons

Name
Phy Inc Scal Mag Fire Ligh Holy Crit
Inc Str Dex Int Fai Arc Wgt Passive Effects
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Finger Seal

25

25

324 (80 Fth)

-

15

-

15

-

15

-

15

100

15

114

4

E (D)

-

-

-

-

10

C (S)

-

-

1.5 -
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Erdtree Seal

25

25

353 (80 Fth)

-

15

-

15

-

15

15

15

100

15

60

-

-

-

-

-

-

40

C (S)

-

-

0.0 -
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Golden Order Seal

24

25

390  (80 Fth/80 Int)

-

25.0

-

15

-

15

-

15

100

15

60

-

-

-

-

17

D (A)

17

D (A)

-

-

0.0

Boosts Golden Order Incantations (+10%)

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Gravel Stone Seal

25

25

318 (80 Fth)

-

15

-

15

-

15

-

15

100

15

60

4

E (D)

-

-

-

-

18

C (S)

-

-

1.5

Boosts Dragon Cult Incantations (+15%)

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Giant's Seal

25

25

307 (80 Fth)

-

15

-

15

-

15

-

15

100

15

134

4

E (D)

-

-

-

-

14

D (S)

-

-

1.5

Boosts Fire Giant Incantations and Fire Monk Incantations (+20%)

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Godslayer's Seal

25

25

329 (80 Fth)

-

15

-

15

-

15

-

15

100

15

129

4

E (D)

-

-

-

-

27

C (S)

-

-

1.5

 Boosts Godskin Apostle Incantations (+10%)

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Clawmark Seal

31

25

318 (80 Fth/80 Str)

-

15

-

15

-

15

-

15

100

15

60

4

D (B)

-

-

-

-

10

D (B)

-

-

1.5

Boosts Bestial Incantations (+10%)

Casting scales with Strength (see note below)

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Frenzied Flame Seal

25

25

375  (80 Fth/80 Int/80 Str/80 Dex)

-

15

-

15

-

15

-

15

100

15

146 

0

E (C)

0

E (C)

0

E (C)

0

D (B)

-

-

0.0

Boosts Frenzied Flame Incantations (+20%)

Casting scales with Strength and Dexterity (see note below)

Causes slight Madness buildup

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Dragon Communion Seal

25

25

387  (80 Fth/80 Arc)

-

15

-

15

-

15

-

15

100

15

60

-

-

-

-

-

-

10

D (B)

10

C (S)

0.0

Boosts Dragon Communion Incantations (+15%)

 

Elden Ring Seals Notes & Tips

  • The buffs to incantation types provided by certain seals are applied passively when held, not when used. For example, this means that lightning incantations cast by a Finger Seal are buffed simply by holding a Gravel Stone Seal in the offhand when casting. This also allows players to stack buffs by dual-wielding seals.
  • Only the seals labeled "Casting scales with Strength" or "Casting scales with Strength and Dexterity" have their Incant Scaling stat scale with strength or dexterity. For other seals, strength and dexterity only affect the physical damage of the seal

 

Elden Ring Sacred Seals Max Standard Values

Quick Search of All Weapons

Name Phy Mag Fir Lit Hol Cri Sta Str Dex Int Fai Arc Any Phy Mag Fir Lit Hol Bst Rst Wgt Upgrade
Clawmark Seal 54 - - - - 100 40 B - - B - - 25 15 15 15 15 15 10 1.5 Smithing Stones
Dragon Communion Seal 61 - - - - 100 40 - - - B S - 25 15 15 15 15 15 10 0 Somber Smithing Stones
Erdtree Seal 61 - - - 36 100 40 - - - S - - 25 15 15 15 15 15 10 0 Somber Smithing Stones
Finger Seal 43 - - - - 100 40 D - - S - - 25 15 15 15 15 15 10 1.5 Smithing Stones
Frenzied Flame Seal 61 - - - - 100 40 C C C B - madness status effect elden ring wiki guide 25px(55) 25 15 15 15 15 15 10 0 Somber Smithing Stones
Giant's Seal 43 - - - - 100 40 D - - S - - 25 15 15 15 15 15 10 1.5 Smithing Stones
Godslayer's Seal 43 - - - - 100 40 D - - S - - 25 15 15 15 15 15 10 1.5 Smithing Stones
Golden Order Seal 58 - - - - 100 40 - - A A - - 25 15 15 15 15 15 10 0 Somber Smithing Stones
Gravel Stone Seal 43 - - - - 100 40 D - - S - - 25 15 15 15 15 15 10 1.5 Smithing Stones

 




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    • Anonymous

      So this is what i gather from looking at all the seals:
      Finger seal: goofy ahh basic seal
      Godslayer seal: upgrade to finger seal, go to mid game seal for fth
      Dragon comunnion seal: best for arcane
      Erdtree seal: best for pure fth end game
      Clawmark: good for str/fth hybrid
      Frenzied flame: very situational, only dex scaling seal. Good for those who put points everywhere.

      • Anonymous

        Sorry my spacing sucked below-For the hybrid folks: Strength 60 Dexterity 50 Intelligence 10 Faith 62 --> Frenzied Flame Seal +10 Incantation Scaling = 298 --> Clawmark Seal +25 Incantation Scaling = 297

        • Anonymous

          For the hybrid folks:

          Strength 60 Dexterity 50 Intelligence 10 Faith 62

          Frenzied Flame Seal +10 Incantation Scaling = 298
          Clawmark Seal +25 Incantation Scaling = 297

          • Anonymous

            I will be lvling faith olny up to 25 points for some specific buffs to juse. What seal whud be good to juse at 25points? Right now I am jusing Finger Seal but some recomended me also Godslayer's Seal or Golden Order Seal bicose I juse sorcery as my main stat for spells so it is 80. In the end I will have 80int/25faith. Any advice is apricieted.

            • Anonymous

              I love (sarcasm) how they made 6 seals scale with strength and the top scaling is a B. But only 1 scales with dex rated at a C.

              I guess intelligence deserves an A rating seal because, uh, uhm,... cast-bros gotta cast.

              Sooooper balanced. :p

              • Anonymous

                So, when choosing what Seal to use, there's some things to keep in mind:

                Erdtree Seal is the most stat efficient seal. If you consider you're already investing 30-50 points into Fth in order to access incantations themselves you then only need another 50-30 points in order to reach the last soft cap of 80.

                Finger Seal and Godslayer Seal are worth using as you gain points in Fth as they will perform better at 10-26 and 27-68 Fth compared to Erdtree.

                Gravel Stone, Frenzied Flame and Giant's Seals are only worth using if you're primarily using their respective spell schools and aren't dual wielding (Since then you can simply off hand them for their bonus and use a stronger seal to cast)

                Dragon Communion Seal can offer an efficient increase in power. If you get the 45 Fth soft cap (Which will also let you cast most incantations) and then pump Arc you can get higher scaling than Erdtree.

                Dragon Communion Seal is the best seal to use if you're not using scaling spells (Which are ones that deal damage/direct healing as well as weapon buffs) since it's available early in the game and weighs nothing. Even if you don't have the stats for it, that doesn't matter because you can still cast incantations with it just fine (So if you're a pure Int build wanting to use Law of Regression or a Str/Dex build wanting to use FGMS or FCM)

                Clawmark Seal is good for Str builds that want to use damage or direct healing incantations, but if you're just after buffs then Dragon Communion or Finger/Godslayer seals will perform better (The former for weight the latter for if you're using weapon buffs like Electrify Armament/Bloodflame Blade)

                Golden Order seal is only good if you're investing heavily into Int. Either as a primarily Int build splashing into some incantations, or a full on Int/Fth build using Prince of Death's Staff. Though it can also be used as an alternative to Dragon Communion Seal for non-scaling incants as it is also an easy to obtain 0 weight seal.

                • Anonymous

                  Does dual wielding the seals even do anything? I use the Black Flame Fireball a LOT. I just got the Erdtree seal. Buffed it up. Put that in my right hand and the Godslayer seal (also buffed up) in my left. Casted with my right hand. Medium damage. Casted with my left hand. Full damage. I want the Erdtree seal to be my main but I also want to use Godslayer and Gravel Stone to cast Black Flame and Dragon Cult incants. At this point it seems dual wielding doesn't do anything to boost damage. Anyone tried this?

                  • Anonymous

                    For those interested, because weapon buff incants (electrify armament, bfb, etc.) only use the faith scaling on your seal and ignore anything else, the best seals for those spells are as follows:

                    Finger seal for faith below 27
                    Godslayer seal for faith 27 to 68
                    Erdtree seal for faith 69 (nice) and up

                    This is all assuming the seal is max upgraded

                    • Anonymous

                      Where TF is my combination sorcery and faith seal for gesture casting hadokens and rock slinging people with my mind alone, for somewhat reduced effectiveness but an altogether good time?!

                      • Anonymous

                        why do all the seals have that stupid orange glow... I'm just trying to make my guy look blue for chrissake

                        • Anonymous

                          Wish the seals that weighed gave more scaling. There's been so many times where my build is .5% off from med rolling due to a physical seal weighing 1.5 Miyazaki.

                          • Anonymous

                            Choosing the right seal for your build and the types of incants you intend to use is one of the hardest decisions in the game, but as far as I can tell the tldr is for buffing/healing incants Finger > Godslayer's > Erdtree depending on which one you have enough FAI to use, for attacking incants you'll want to use Clawmark, Golden Order or Dragon Communion depending on your primary damage stat

                            • Anonymous

                              As a melee player that's mainly interested in heals/buffs it would be really nice if the UI showed both the FTH only and combined incant scaling values for hybrid seals

                              • Anonymous

                                What exactly do the seal buffs do? 20% damage increase? So it doesn’t affect the buff incantations like Vyke’s Dragonbolt Blessing or any other incantation that isn’t explicitly a projectile?

                                • Anonymous

                                  Given the fact that there's like 4 godslayer incantations the talismans should pump it to 15 or 20, it would be nice if the giants seal actually pumped all fire incantations including bloodflame and blackflame but with lower boost

                                  • Anonymous

                                    Kinda of a bummer we dont have a seal that scales with faith and dex like the clawmark scales with faith and strenght. Making a lightining build is so awkward, the weapons scales purely with dex but then we have the incantations that scales purely with faith

                                    • Anonymous

                                      what ist the best seal for only 15 Faith? I'm only using flame grant me strength and bloodflame blade on my Strength/Dex Bloodhounds fang build`

                                      • Anonymous

                                        what is the best seal for aspect of the crucible incantations, I would use erdtree seal but it doesn't buff the incantations, should i stick with erdtree or go with something else?
                                        im doing a Strength/ faith crucible knight build

                                        • Anonymous

                                          can someone help with this? i am planing on teleport there too to get the Erdtree Seal early for my faith character, does going there that early do grab that break or skip any quests?

                                          • Anonymous

                                            What is the difference between "Inc Scal" and "Inc"? Or rather, what exactly is "Inc", because I can't make sense out of this value.

                                            • Anonymous

                                              What's even the point of seeing that Clawmark Seal at 80 faith and strength has 318 inc scaling, it would be much more worth it to use stats regular players would have and not the soft caps for every stats influencing inc scaling.

                                              • Anonymous

                                                At max rank with their respective stats maxed, the difference between Dragon Communion and Golden Order Seals are negligible, like a 10 dmg difference (tested on Omen, Roadside Underground, different kinds of incants). The lesser seals are basically playing catch up with them when it comes to their preferred incantation types, except for Frenzied Flame Seal, which actually does a significant amount more damage vs the two when using frenzy flame style spells(+~300 for Frenzied Burst, for example).

                                                My two cents is that Dragon Communion are for builds using arcane hybrids like dex/arc or Golden Order for using Prince of Death Staff but both are really great endgame, especially when it comes to quick repeat spells like Stone of Garrunq, where you can really see the difference to both damage and stamina+focus efficiency.

                                                • Anonymous

                                                  Something i found odd and interesting,

                                                  Even though my clawmark seal incant scale is 128
                                                  And my finger seal is 113

                                                  When i use electrify armament, my finger seal boosts more than clawmark seal.

                                                  Same with orders blade and bloodflame blade.

                                                  • Anonymous

                                                    I am thoroughly impressed with how far FromSoft has come. It's flooded with weapons, armor, spells, summons, ashes of war, and enemies to use them on. A near endless amount of content awaits any player who picks up this game. I'm so looking forward to the dlc and future ER titles to come.

                                                    This is hands down game of the year. Only other games that might even come close to touching this are GoW 2 or BotW 2 if they release this year.

                                                    • Anonymous

                                                      This is not reliable - they say certain Sacred Seals will boost certain Incants - well, from my testing, using my highest faith scaling Seal gives the most damage regardless of the Incantation. For example, Godslayer's seal provides higher damage compared to Giants Seal when casting Giants Seal Incantations. So, the "Boost" the Giants Seal gives for it's Incantations is lower when using my Godslayer's Seal - i found this to be true with all Seals - the Seal that has the Highest Faith scaling will out perform all others regardless of the Specified Incantation

                                                      • Anonymous

                                                        Imagine more Incantation types and Seals for them. Rot Incantations, Ice Incantations, Magic damage Incantations, even more Blood Incantations, etc.
                                                        If you don't mind, I'd like to try coming up with some names and descriptions?
                                                        Rotten Seal: Seal used by Pests in the Grand Cloister. Almost completely eaten through with Rot. Enhances Rot incantations.
                                                        Frozen Seal: Seal made of blessed ice. A very intricate design depicting the Elden Ring lies within. Enhances Ice incantations.
                                                        Glintstone Seal: A Glintstone crystal encased in amber from the Haligtree, used as a Seal. Symbolic of Loretta's journey to the Haligtree. Enhances Magic incantations.
                                                        Festering Seal: Seal found within the lake of blood at the foot of Mohgwyn Palace. A strange material, thought to be dried blood, composes this Seal. Enhances Bloodflame incantations.

                                                        • Anonymous

                                                          if for example I want to use dragon incantations (with incantation boost) but I have higher scaling with godslayer, which one is better?

                                                          • Anonymous

                                                            I see a lot of comments asking what seals have what at certain levels of stats. I wonder if the devs have considered implementing a calculator on the site? Something that lets you plug in an armament’s upgrade level, infusion and your stats and spits out the weapon’s AR or spell foci’s spell buff.

                                                            • Anonymous

                                                              Hmm, at 35 str and 60 faith (20 dex, 15 int, 20 arc) with maxed seals:...................................................

                                                              Finger: 286.................
                                                              Erdtree: 273.................
                                                              Gravel: 282.................
                                                              Giant: 273.................
                                                              Godslayer: 291.................
                                                              Claw: 272.................
                                                              Frenzy: 256.................
                                                              Dragon: 230.................
                                                              ...................................................At 35str/50fth, Claw is still best


                                                              ...................................................Sorry for lack of formatting. But discord clowns dont care, so i guess i dont either

                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                At 99 stats the only seals that go above 400 are frenzied, dragon and order. Order being the highest. So if you want max scaling you have to eitger go fth&int, arc&fth, or level like hell to max str/dex/int/fth for frenzied.

                                                                Once a meta level is established - we’ll only have two choices, either order or dragon communion

                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                  I have every sacred seal at +0 and the stats to wield them.
                                                                  My stats:
                                                                  Str - 20
                                                                  Dex - 21
                                                                  Int - 17
                                                                  Fai - 47
                                                                  Arc - 20

                                                                  These are their incant scalings:
                                                                  Finger Seal - 148
                                                                  Erdtree Seal - 144
                                                                  Golden Order Seal - 148
                                                                  Gravel Stone Seal - 146
                                                                  Giant's Seal - 144
                                                                  Godslayer's Seal - 149
                                                                  Clawmark Seal - 140
                                                                  Frenzied Flame Seal - 144
                                                                  Dragon Communion Seal - 141

                                                                  Hope this helps figure out each seal's incant scaling

                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                    Do we know how much higher the scaling of a seal (or staff for that matter) has to be to beat the 20% bonus to magic? I've not had a chance to really find this out for myself in-game. - Balrick

                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                      Just so everyone is clear, the "Passive Effects" of these seals will never apply to any type of Weapon Buff spells. ie- BFB, Electrify Armament, etc.

                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                        Finger Seal +25 324 incant (80 faith)
                                                                        Erdtree Seal +10 353 incant (80 faith)
                                                                        Gravel Stone Seal +25 318 incant (80 faith)
                                                                        Giants Seal +25 307 incant (80 faith)
                                                                        Godslayer seal +25 329 incant (80 faith)
                                                                        Frenzied Flame Seal +10 375 incant (80 str/dex/int/fai)
                                                                        Dragon Communion +10 387 incant (80 faith/arcane)
                                                                        Clawmark Seal +25 318 incant (80 str/faith)
                                                                        Golden Order Seal +10 390 incant (80 int/faith)

                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                          It would be nice if someone would accumulate the data for the scaling of each seal fully upgraded at 80 faith for the only-faith-scaling seals and at 50/50 int/fai for golden order, str/fai for clawmark, and fai/arc for dragon communion. Not sure what stats would be best for frenzied flame seal though; I guess dex/fai and str/dex would be most important for that one, and I'm also curious if it's the best one at max stats.

                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                            Which is best for 30 faith? Looked thru they only show scaling for 60+ faith. Going str and fth but want offensive buffs so idk about the clawmark seal

                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                              this should list the inc scaling at fully upgraded. this makes it look like erdtree is the weakest. very hard to find the best seal for my level

                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                FF - leveled vagabond,
                                                                                GO+ET+death staff - intfai prophet,
                                                                                CM+GRST+lightning scorp - strfai confessor,
                                                                                GIANTS. GIANTS. GIANTS. +magma +firescorp - intfai astro,
                                                                                GodSlayer - dexfai warrior,
                                                                                Fingerseal - everyone.

                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                  At 40 FTH, all seals max upgraded, the incant adjusts are as such:
                                                                                  Finger: 221
                                                                                  Erdtree: 212
                                                                                  Gravel: 218
                                                                                  Giant: 212
                                                                                  Godslayer: 224
                                                                                  Seems for a pure FTH build, Godslayer is the best, if you don't pick a specific one for their buff. I also checked Clawmark and Dragon Communion, STR50 and ARC40
                                                                                  Clawmark: 274
                                                                                  Dragon: 291
                                                                                  I wonder where those 40 levels in Arcane would have brought the other seals.
                                                                                  I didn't bother with Frenzy or Order since I've leveled neither dexterity nor intelligence.

                                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                                    So my Dragonknight build is endgame going to have 50 FTH and 17 ARC (enough to use all the dragon communion incantations and the red lightning incantations.)

                                                                                    Which is going to boost my breath spells higher? Dragon Communion Seal with the +15% buff or should I use another seal with S scaling in faith to counter my low arcane?

                                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                                      so what seal is best for frenzy incantations? common sense would day the frenzy boosting one, but does it actually work out that way? is the low split scaling good enough even with the 20% boost?

                                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                                        I have 80 Arcane, 45 Faith, after testing my incantation enchants like electrify, volk's dragonbolt, bloodflame, it seems that no matter how much you incantation scaling on your dragon communion seal is, the spells scale off only faith, not arcane.

                                                                                        At 46 faith, I have 237 scaling on my gravel stone, 230 on Erdtree, and 373 on my dragon communion. Both Erdtree and Gravel stone give me a bigger buff then dragon communion because they have S faith scaling.

                                                                                        TLDR - Incantations scale off faith, not seals

                                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                                          Honestly, I don't even know why they included the 'bonk' R2 on these and staves. I don't think I've ever used it on either except as a joke. Just give them some kind of unique ability on R2/let me assign a second spell to R2 or something, there's no point in giving me an 'attack' that struggles to do 20 damage.

                                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                                            PSA: school bonuses stack
                                                                                            if you have 2 of the same staff or seal (such as clawmark seal) you receive the bonus to damage twice
                                                                                            this also works if the offhand seal/staff is on the hip while you are 2h your seal/staff

                                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                                              shame there isn't a seal for blood incantations, but the dragon one at least fits it with the red glow in your hand

                                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                                So do we have any sort of definitive list as to which seal is best for what?

                                                                                                Like there are multiple seals that scale S with faith, but do they all reach the same exact scaling with say 40/50 faith? Or is the S scaling variable? I know that they have unique passive effects that increase certain types of incantations, but as a general rule do they all have the same scaling?

                                                                                                For instance, does the Erdtree Seal have better scaling than any other S scaling faith seal, because of the higher requirement?

                                                                                                I'm mainly asking since I want to get the highest possible damage out of a seal, I went from the Frenzied Flame seal to the Dragon Communion, after respeccing, and I've got about 50 more scaling out of it by going 30 Fth 33 Arc. Is there a definitive best seal for pure damage?

                                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                                  Anybody else thing it's absolute dogass that you don't see more than 2 or three catalysts until you reach pretty mid-to-late-game areas? Like I have 10 different glintstone staves by the time I reach Leyndell, but only 2 catalysts (didn't bother getting the Dragon Communion Seal as the dungeon it's in is a ***** and I'm not built for it). Would it have killed Miyazaki to have put any one of these in an earlier area? It just feels like faith builds are really strapped for variety until you all but finish the game.

                                                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                                                    For anyone running a strength / faith build like I am:


                                                                                                    At 40 strength and 40 faith, the +13 the Lightning Spear hurts way more with the Clawmark Seal (548 damage against Lyndel flute enemy) than the Gravel Stone Seal (only 411 damage). Clawmark just scales way better than Gravel Stone for this type of build.

                                                                                                    I think there is no reason to believe Gravel Stone gets better than Clawmank at any point. I'm waiting to try Erdtree Seal.

                                                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                                                      I have a question I couldn't find an answer to in the comments:

                                                                                                      Does leveling up a seal (in my case, Clawmark) boost the effectiveness of healing spells? As in Bestial Vigor- would raising my seal increase the heal potency/duration? Or does that come only from raising my stats?

                                                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                                                        For anyone running a strength / faith build like I am:


                                                                                                        At 40 strength and 40 faith, the +13 the Lightning Spear hurts way more with the Clawmark Seal (548 damage against Lyndel flute enemy) than the Gravel Stone Seal (only 411 damage). Clawmark just scales way better than Gravel Stone for this type of build.

                                                                                                        I think there is no reason to believe Gravel Stone gets better than Clawmank at any point. I'm waiting to try Erdtree Seal.

                                                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                                                          Datamined from game files:

                                                                                                          * Golden Order Seal: 10% boost to Fundamentalist incantations
                                                                                                          * Dragon Communion Seal: 15%
                                                                                                          * Giant's Seal: 20%
                                                                                                          * Gravel Stone Seal: 15%
                                                                                                          * Godslayer: 10%
                                                                                                          * Clawmark Seal: 10%
                                                                                                          * Frenzied Flame: 20%

                                                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                                                            I keep seeing everyone talk about the str scaling on these seals. ONLY CLAWMARK AND FRENZIED FLAME SEAL HAVE STR SCALING.

                                                                                                            For everything else. the STR scaling is only there if you melee with it. the ones that dont have a STR scaling at all is because they dont have a physical form note the 0 weight. i hope that clears things up.

                                                                                                            TLDR: the only seals who's incant are effected by STR is Clawmark and Frenzied flame.

                                                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                                                              incantations can be cast even without meating stat requirements for seals, many of the early support incantations dont scale with spell bonus, so in many cases you can opt for a 0 weight talismaneven with low faith or lets say 7 arc.

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