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Single-handed longsword/lordsworn's has a nice moveset (R1: quick wide slashes. R2: long stab) but poor damage output. If anyone wants to use this nice moveset in PVE while also dealing decent damage, I thiiiiiiink a dex/int or even str/int (depending what side perks you're into) Scholar's Armament route is pretty solid. DPS-wise, Scholar's Armament's damage buff is theoretically best with very fast-attacking weapons, particularly the claws, but Longsword has a nice mix of solid speed and nice hitboxes to make up for not having top tier speed. I haven't gone far into the game with this build yet, but I'm thinking of focusing on Dex and Int without much Mind and only some amount of Vigor, essentially making a sort of glass cannon with a high dex Keen sword with high int Scholar's Armament on it. Could also instead go the faith route for Electrify Armament and Bloodflame Blade and Black Flame Blade.

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It’s so obvious what’s wrong with these. Just neuter or remove simultaneous hits from all powerstance move sets. There is no reason for a double sword L1 to win against an r1 collosal trade. Convert the double damage/status/poise dmg of these simultaneous L1s into 30% modifiers and never make them the opening move of PS move sets. This isn’t a nerf to powerstance because PS move sets still have access to r1s for quick hits and r2/L2 for poise breaks and damage. And katana L1 spam is still popular despite less double hits.

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Disappointed there's no spiritual successor to the Irythll straight sword

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To the people complaining that there are no good str straight swords:

80 str heavy broadsword has 575 attack one-handed.

12 str 80 dex keen broadsword has 539 attack one-handed. All other keen straight swords are worse than keen broadsword.

In addition, str build broadsword is great with cold or blood or poison, even if you don't invest any points into int or arcane.

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The new PVP meta and it’s very lame.

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The ash of war "square off" that is unique to straight swords is the game changer for this weapon class, It does 40 poise/stagger, the same as a fully charged attack of a colossal sword but with the advantage that it has a faster move set. If you are fast enough, you can stagger most bosses on 2-3 attacks. If you dual wield, you have a fast move set that deals good damage

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Many seem to be confused about the viability of Straight Swords vs Katanas. Firstly, SS deal standard damage which is almost always superior to slash. It has a better moveset. The r1 is a wider sweep, the powerstanced L1 (and jump L1) is among the best in the game, the crouch poke, and it has the best guard counter in the game.

Also, the length of a weapon is not the sole determinant of a weapons range. Weapons with the same length can have different ranges, and the distance your character physically moves forward when attacking needs to be taken into account.

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Oh look, another person using dual straightswords. How imaginative.

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If you are a beginner and want to gain confidence in PVP, powerstanced straight swords are one of your best bets:

Pros:
1. Higher dmg than a 2H colossal with 1/3 the weight and virtually unreact-rollable speeds.
2. Minimal setup required, claw talisman + spinning slash is plenty competitive
3. 3-4 shot most opponents, even with mediorce optimization (700+ jump attacks)
4. One of the best jump attacks in game, mainly because the followup L1 comes out faster than any other weapon class and hits hard.
5. Basically very easy to use.
6. Will teach you spacing and trading due to the 1st con.

Cons:
1. shorter range, low poise dmg
2. the jump attack without followup has either less dmg or range than competitors such as ps twinblades, curved swords, and katanas.
3. Mediocre running attacks. Rollcatches require good timing with a step-foward or jump l1 (or crouchpoke).
4. can get overwhelmed when not 1v1.
5. Not much glory in winning, most ps ss play is just l1 spam (jump or not) and aow with occasional crouch poke. That combined with the high dmg/attack speed, and low requirements/punish windows make for a very safe weapon with few compromises. If you want to impress, try landing some well-timed square off’s.
6. Hard to move on to more demanding weapon classes.

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none of the dex based weapons like this have good strength scaling, but so many strength based weapons have better dex scaling than strength. fromsoft you make me angry

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Two-handed straight sword move sets could really use a face lift. I miss the Dark Souls II longsword.

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The skinny on straight swords.

If you want a bleed/arcane build, look elsewhere because there are way better options in at least ten other weapon types. If they someday make a straight sword that has innate bleed, this will change. Strength builds do way better with the colossal weapons. So you're looking at faith, dex or int for straight swords. With a spellblade build being the best way to go.

Broadsword= strongest sword in all infusions except magic due to highest base damage. Lordsworn a close second, but second nonetheless.

Carian Knight's Sword= strongest magic sword, but has a lousy AOW so it's good offhander paired with a magic broadsword.

Noble's Slender Sword= best Dex sword being only 1% weaker than the broadsword with a keen infusion, but having the best range and a good poke.

Coded Sword= good unblockable for a faith build but gimmicky and not as useful against enemies with no shields, which is most of them. Good against undead.

All other straight swords are kind of bad by comparison; all are straight weaker, and many are gimmicky like St. Trina.

Always dual wield straight swords. Takes too long to kill things with one. The most effective way to attack is a double jump slash followed by a double slash after landing. Use the claw talisman and the raptor's black feathers to maximize this.

The best pairing for people who want to take down the game with straight swords is a magic broadsword with Glintblade Phalanx paired with a carian sword offhand using shard of alexander, claw talisman, magic scorpion charm and raptor's black feathers in an INT spellblade build. Use the glintstone kris as a secondary weapon to attack from range when needed (slap glintstone shard on any weapon until you get the kris). You'll never need a staff except for PVP.

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The short version on straight swords.

Broadsword= highest damage in all infusions except magic.

Carian Knight's sword= highest magic damage with a bad AOW. So good offhand for Int characters.

Noble's Slender Sword= very nearly as strong as a keen broadsword but has the best range and a better moveset. So good for a dex build.

Coded Sword= nice unblockable for faith builds paired with a broadsword.

All other straight swords are weak by comparison. Always use two swords because the moveset is good. Killing bosses with one takes forever.

Strongest pairing is glintblade phalanx broadsword with carian offhand on a spellblade build.

If you seek an arcane/bleed build, look to katanas, spears, whips, curved swords, daggers, twinswords, heavy thrusting swords, maces and flails because they are all superior.

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reducing the poise damage on straight swords for pvp was a dumb move...they never did much poise damage to begin with

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really enjoying power stanced straight swords currently. people seem to always run into the l1 combo, and the l1s just look cool, especially the first couple of attacks.
just wish broadsword wasnt 1 per ng cycle unless you are a confessor.

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No permanent bleed on any swords?

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Pls add recurve sword like Manakin Sabre, Machaira, Kopis, Falcata.

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DS1 and DS3 have the glorious Dark Sword. DS2 had the Drakekeepers Sword. I want my thick straight sword back Fromsoft.

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I'm running a 183 level spell blade with 68 intelligence. A magic infused lvl 25 short sword does about 10% damage less per swing than a magic infused broadsword which usually amounts to around 60 points per swing.

I have yet to encounter an enemy that didn't take exactly as many swings to defeat with a short sword as it does with a broadsword. It's 1 lb lighter and I like the poke on the r2. So I run with this bad boy. Rocking glint blade phalanx.

I've probably won at least 80% of my PVP matches with the short sword as well. Glintblade phalanx has more to do with that than the sword, but hacking them down with the short sword after they dodge the phalanx is always fun.

I also ran a double short sword build with the takers cameo and the godskin swaddling cloth for dungeon runs and the HP recovery on two straight swords slashing in succession is quite impressive.

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What's the best early to mid straight sword for someone who accidentally started out as a mage but intends to use faith/arcane?

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I'm glad straight swords are no longer busted, shorter than most weapons and still good because of square off and a great little quick moveset. And L1 isn't as slow or staggered as things like katanas , less punishable (especially as Parry bait) .. you do feel that short range at times though.. 9/10 wep class would r1/l1/ash spam again

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1 SS = sucks
2 SS = godtier

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It's surprising none of them have bleed by default considering most of the other melee categories have 1 or 2

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Feels really bad when you slap the Nagakiba on and realize that it's everything you'd want a SS to be: long, elegant, cool moveset with thrusting R2s. Instead we're stuck with these chode swords whose only redeeming quality is Square Off.

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In the age of the ancient the world was unformed, shrouded by fog. A land of gray R1 spammers, straight swords and everlasting stamina. But then came Elden Ring and with Elden ring came new mechanics. Horse-riding and walking, bonfires and graces and of course, L2 spam and R1 spam. Then, from the R1 they came and founded the souls of the noobs. Irithyll Straight Sword User, first of the R1...Dark Sword Fallen Knight and their children of edginess... Pontiff Knight Curved Sword Guy, the Lord of Whiff Punishes and his faithful Meta Slaves... And the Furtive GUTS Cosplayers, so easily forgotten.... With the strength of R1 they challenged the L2. PKCS Man's mighty roll catches peeled the L2 Spammer's 10 vigor. The Edgelords edge-walked so hard the L2 Spammers slit themselves and died of cringe. Irithyll Straight Sword User unleashed a miasma of R1s and Frostbite. And Rivers of Blood user the nerfed betrayed his own and the L2 spammers were no more...

And thus began the age of R1. But soon, the R1 will fade and only L2 will remain. Even now, noobs see not R1 but only endless L2 spam. And amongst the living are seen the Accursed Ashes of war spam. Yes, indeed. The Ash of War spam brands the noobs. And in this land, L2 spammers are corralled and sent to the north to await the death of Elden Ring pvp.

This.....Is your fate...

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Straight sword category is among my top 3 favorites but I really wish they were longer. It's really sad when I compare them with Uchigatana and some thrusting swords like Estoc and Cleanrot Knight's Sword. I know it's hard to lengthen all of them but there should at least be a straight sword version of Nagakiba.

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good time to go back to the classic sword & shield after all of those exotic multi status one shot build.

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Weapon Range Data is wrong for LordSworn. It has the SAME range as the Longsword as a matter fact.

I would guess User Kaj based the lengths off the positioning of the sheaths against some background. Lordsworn has it's sheath placed lower on the hip, which gives its sheath the illusion of being longer than Longsword's.

Or else, if you compare the actual blades instead against some background, both of them are exactly SAME length. SO yeah, original creator needs to fix this length mistake between the Longsword and the LordSworn.

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No weathered straight sword?

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This weapon class lacks an actual longsword that has a similar range to grossmesser/Shamshir/Uchigatana. Miquellan/Carian Swords are fine as they are but an infusable ss to mirror cs and Katanas would be much appreciated

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Where's the broken straight sword?

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the moment they release a straight sword with bleed it'll be broken.

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r1 r1 r2, r1 r1 r2, r1 r1 r- wait this isn't ds3?

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Honestly swapping to this weapon type after getting burnt out on all the cheesy crap made this feel like a true from game. Wish I had used this on my first playthrough.

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I don't believe the data range. I think the creator has either made human mistakes or has a wrong procedure. When we swing the Warhawk's Talon, the visual effect is shorter than the model and that's not happening with other straight swords I tested. The Warhawk's Talon also feel in combat situation way shorter than what the image shows, and I'm someone who played a lot with the Broadsword so it says a lot.

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Regalia of Eochaid, for a sword that looks like a gladius, weights twice as much as some SWs, mediocre range, it’s dmg is very ughhh disappointing

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Removed row under Max Standard Upgrades that listed Nox Flowing Sword.

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If I switch the table view to Max Standard values, "Nox Flowing Sword" pops up in the list, which is a curved sword.

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miss my snow sword

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I wish some of these weapons had actual unique AOWs instead of the same AOWs we can get for any standard weapon

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Some of y’all’s logic is literally
“No bleed=stinky weapon”

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I like how the longswords in this game are shorter than the katanas. You can tell the devs did a lot of research on historical weapons before putting them in their game.

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Power stancing ruined the single one handed and two handed straight sword. Your better off using almost all of these with one in your off hand.

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Why is is whenever i go to the comment section of any weapon class that's not katanas i always see an ocean of people spouting the same bs of "[insert any weapon thats not a katana here] iS dIsSaPpOiNtInG mOsT oF tHeM sUcK kAtAnAs aRe aLwAyS wAy bEtTeR aNd mOrE uNiQuE hUrR DuRr etc. etc." I am willing to bet most of these people are braindead metaslaves who don't understand that some people like to use weapons based on how much they enjoy them rather than just being a boring meta sheep using the exact same basic ***** katana build over and over, most of the time their "CRITICISM" is completely wrong and they just harp on about how katanas are the uncontested best and every other weapon sucks, i really wish people like this would just stfu already and let people have fun instead of shitting on everything other than katanas for once.

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So many of these have missed potential...

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How does lordsworn have more reach than the longsword? It looks much smaller in-game.

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How do I get Lothric Knight sword ?

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I want my ringed knight straight sword back

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They need to make these attack faster but not touch the dual wield moveset, I never see anyone not dual wielding these and spamming jump attacks and L2 chains

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The only weapon class in the game where the guard counters aren’t complete dogshit.

Seriously, they need to buff the speed of guard counters on other weapons, cause right now they’re damn near useless.

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So why do these have Int stat flavoring, i mean if were supposed to use them a a magic melee weapon it make sense? But then you have Katana that also get the same scaling, and have bleed, and have good specials? Cant really use these too well four countering or heavy attack when much better (with same stat flavoring exist)? Honest unless your running a never level limgrave build or only special spamming, then what is the point of this entire group of weapons?

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Damn, no gladius :c

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So, the Carian Knight Sword, Lazuli Glintstone Sword, Crystal Sword, and Rotten Crystal Sword all share the same scaling, and nearly the same split damage stats. They all also are upgraded with Somber Smithing Stones, but none of them have a unique AoW.

It's a real shame too, after all, these are four swords that are outclassed by a single weapon: the Longsword.

With the Longsword, you can get better Int scaling, up to B at +25, meaning if you want to run a magic AoW, you're gonna get more mileage out of a Magic Longsword than any of the other four swords on this list.

The only real benefit to any of these weapons is the heavy attacks on the Carian Knight and Lazuli Sword, and the Scarlet Rot build-up on the Rotten Crystal.

I really wish these weapons were better than they are currently.

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At first I thought these were boring but after using the Broadsword with Square Off and the Regalia of Eochaid, I've really come around. The power stance moveset is a ton of fun as well. Astonishingly versatile but lightweight.

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It is a little unfortunate that a Magic/Sacred Broadsword has higher AR than the unique Magic/Holy swords. Or maybe it shows how good the Broadsword is?

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Been waiting since ds1 for a magic forcefield shield as an actual equippable shield, I've been waiting for a better sword catalyst since DS2, and an equippable magical int scaling Valorheart where you expand a bubble forcefield seamlessly in between attacks and can cast sorceries with its strong attack. None of these things have happened and I'm sad about it.

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Nox's flowing sword is not a straight sword. It's actually a curved sword.

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No cool straight swords compared with ds3 and the like, these have a few standouts but overall its a bland array

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Why do so many of these scale off faith or int...

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Ok but like is it just me or do they deal crazy damage when powerstanced?

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Dual longswords is solid, being able to start a l1 with a jump is fun and surprisingly fluid for this clunky ass game

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these need a higher attack speed and more variety in movesets, just give me back my balder swag sword

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Personally I blame the return of passive poise and addition of jumps for the sorry state of the weapon class.

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These should either move faster ,hit harder or have longer reach than Katanas to be viable.

Or just give square off to the greatswords.

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these boiis have a mean jumping R2

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dual wielding these = caveman mode

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Does anyone know the best sword that looks good with the knight armor and has good stats when leveled?

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I feel like I'm the only one who's happy that straight swords and greatswords aren't the best things in the game for the first time since demon's souls.

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Straight swords and Greatswords are in the same boat right now they both are in desperate need of buffs. Powerstanced straight sword is really good so I won't talk about that but only using one straight sword is super underwhelming though greatswords have it even worse right now. Then we have greatswords that have garbage movesets besides the claymore to add insult to injury they can easily get outdamaged by faster weapons that weigh so much less. The greatswords other then claymore are either trash or have only one saving grace the weapon art.

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Is it just me or are some of the special elemental weapons pointless? My stats are 21/25 str/dex (with Radagon seal) & 60/50 int/fth, and regular weapons with elemental ashes of war are out damaging the special element weapons.

Longsword with Carian Grandeur/Sacred Blade has a higher base AR and weapon art damage (over +10%) than the Carian/Miquellan sword. Same thing happens with magic infused Miséricorde/Bloodstained Dagger and any of the three special magic daggers.

I know the Miquellan sword have the lunging heavy attack and the Carian sword have the blocking heavy attack, but those are just niche uses compared to simply having more damage. It's a bit of a shame that it seems like some of the special elemental weapons are just weaker than infused regular weapons. Fortunately, it seems like mostly the special weapons with weapon arts that are also ashes of war have the problem of being outclassed by infused regular weapons.

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With swords like rob, moonveil and the one with waterfowl dance the straight swords got screwed over hard

1 straight sword has a passive effect and all katanas have an effect.

Other weapons got screwed harder and maybe their inclusion should have been questioned.

Shields look like crap and there are only 10 good shields

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Bit unfortunate that whereas katanas are pretty much ideally represented in this game (great proportions, great damage, great and realistic moveset), straight swords are too small, do "only" decent damage and has a serviceable moveset at best. Square off almost carries the entire class imo. I want to see a straight sword that is similar to the loyce greatsword in DKS2; that's a proper-looking longsword (despite being classed as a greatsword), with a similar moveset to the banished knight's greatsword. Failing that, I'd love to see an equivalent of the LKSS from DKS3, which is a long, elegant straight sword with thrusting R2s.

I really just want a SS that doesn't look more like an arming sword than a longsword.

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Where is my Lothric SS - any Ash will do

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Why tf is there no version of the Ringed Knight Straight Sword in Elden Ring? DS3 servers can't come back soon enough.

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