Thrusting Swords are a type of Weapon in Elden Ring. Thrusting Swords strike a balance between moderate damage, fast attacks, and good reach, while piercing and slashing Enemies.

Thrusting Swords can be modified by a number of Ashes of War to change their Skills or Damage Type, so play around with them and see what you like.

Thrusting Swords and Curved Swords have a built-in feint. Press dodge shortly after beginning the charge-up for a heavy attack, and another animation will happen. Some weapons (such as the Frozen Needle) shoot a projectile during this animation, allowing for additional methods of play.

 

NOTEAs of Patch 1.08, the speed of Thrusting Swords' crouching attacks has been reduced. Poise damage has also been reduced, but only for PVP.

Elden Ring Thrusting Sword Range Comparison

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Weapon Range Data for Thrusting Swords in Elden Ring. Credits to user Kaj.

 

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Thrusting Swords Showcase

 

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Elden Ring Thrusting Swords Base Values

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Name
Phy Mag Fire Ligh Holy Crit
Boost
Str Dex Int Fai Arc Wgt Skill
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Rapier

96

45

-

30

 -

30

 -

30

-

30 

130

20 

7

 E

12

-

-

-

-

-

-

2.5

14

Impaling Thrust

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Estoc

107

54

-

36

-

36

-

36

-

36

100

24

11

E

13

C

-

-

-

-

-

-

4.5

14

Impaling Thrust

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Noble's Estoc

104

49

-

33

-

33

-

33

-

33

100

22

9

D

10

D

-

-

-

-

-

-

3.5

9

Impaling Thrust

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Cleanrot Knight's Sword

109

51

-

34

-

34

-

34

-

34

100

23

11

D

13

D

-

-

-

-

-

-

4

13

Impaling Thrust

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Rogier's Rapier

93

49

-

33

-

33

-

33

-

33

110

22

8

E

17

C

 -

-

-

-

-

-

3.5

7

Repeating Thrust

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Antspur Rapier

98

47

-

31

-

31

-

31

-

31

100

25

10

D

20

D

-

-

-

-

-

-

3.0

14

Impaling Thrust

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Frozen Needle

99

40

-

40

-

28

-

28

-

28

100

20

11

E

18

D

-

-

-

-

-

-

 2.5

 14

Impaling Thrust

Elden Ring Thrusting Swords Max Standard Values

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Name Phy Mag Fir Lit Hol Cri Sta Str Dex Int Fai Arc Any Phy Mag Fir Lit Hol Bst Rst Wgt
Rogier's Rapier 227 - - - - 110 62 E B - - - - 49 33 33 33 33 26.4 11 3.5
Rapier 235 - - - - 130 60 D B - - - - 45 30 30 30 30 24 10 2.5
Noble's Estoc 254 - - - - 100 60 D D - - - - 49 33 33 33 33 26.4 11 3.5
Frozen Needle 242 - - - - 100 60 D B - - - frostbite status effect elden ring wiki guide 25px(60) 40 40 28 28 28 22 10 2.5
Estoc 262 - - - - 100 66 E B - - - - 54 36 36 36 36 28.8 12 4.5
Cleanrot Knight's Sword 267 - - - - 100 66 C D - - - - 51 34 34 34 34 27.6 11 4
Antspur Rapier 240 - - - - 100 62 D C - - - scarlet rot status effect elden ring wiki guide 25px(55) 47 31 31 31 31 25.2 10 3

Elden Ring Thrusting Swords Max Heavy Upgrades

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Name Phy Mag Fir Lit Hol Cri Sta Str Dex Int Fai Arc Any Phy Mag Fir Lit Hol Bst Rst Wgt
Rogier's Rapier 209 - - - - 110 62 A - - - - - 49 33 33 33 33 24.2 11 3.5
Rapier 216 - - - - 130 60 B - - - - - 45 30 30 30 30 22 10 2.5
Noble's Estoc 232 - - - - 100 60 B - - - - - 49 33 33 33 33 24.2 11 3.5
Estoc 239 - - - - 100 66 B - - - - - 54 36 36 36 36 26.4 12 4.5
Cleanrot Knight's Sword 244 - - - - 100 66 B - - - - - 51 34 34 34 34 25.3 11 4
Antspur Rapier 220 - - - - 100 62 B - - - - scarlet rot status effect elden ring wiki guide 25px(55) 47 31 31 31 31 23.1 10 3

Elden Ring Thrusting Swords Max Keen Upgrades

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Name Phy Mag Fir Lit Hol Cri Sta Str Dex Int Fai Arc Any Phy Mag Fir Lit Hol Bst Rst Wgt
Rogier's Rapier 195 - - - - 110 68 E A - - - - 49 33 33 33 33 24.2 11 3.5
Rapier 202 - - - - 130 66 E A - - - - 45 30 30 30 30 22 10 2.5
Noble's Estoc 232 - - - - 100 60 E B - - - - 49 33 33 33 33 24.2 11 3.5
Estoc 224 - - - - 100 72 E B - - - - 54 36 36 36 36 26.4 12 4.5
Cleanrot Knight's Sword 244 - - - - 100 66 E B - - - - 51 34 34 34 34 25.3 11 4
Antspur Rapier 220 - - - - 100 62 E B - - - scarlet rot status effect elden ring wiki guide 25px(55) 47 31 31 31 31 23.1 10 3

Elden Ring Thrusting Swords Max Quality Upgrades

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Name Phy Mag Fir Lit Hol Cri Sta Str Dex Int Fai Arc Any Phy Mag Fir Lit Hol Bst Rst Wgt
Rogier's Rapier 182 - - - - 110 62 B B - - - - 49 33 33 33 33 24.2 11 3.5
Rapier 188 - - - - 130 60 B B - - - - 45 30 30 30 30 22 10 2.5
Noble's Estoc 202 - - - - 100 60 B B - - - - 49 33 33 33 33 24.2 11 3.5
Estoc 209 - - - - 100 66 B B - - - - 54 36 36 36 36 26.4 12 4.5
Cleanrot Knight's Sword 213 - - - - 100 66 B B - - - - 51 34 34 34 34 25.3 11 4
Antspur Rapier 192 - - - - 100 62 B B - - - scarlet rot status effect elden ring wiki guide 25px(55) 47 31 31 31 31 23.1 10 3

Elden Ring Thrusting Swords Max Fire Upgrades

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Name Phy Mag Fir Lit Hol Cri Sta Str Dex Int Fai Arc Any Phy Mag Fir Lit Hol Bst Rst Wgt
Rogier's Rapier 151 - 151 - - 110 62 C E - - - - 46.55 31.35 41.25 37.95 31.35 22 10.45 3.5
Rapier 156 - 156 - - 130 60 C E - - - - 42.75 28.5 37.5 34.5 28.5 20 9.5 2.5
Noble's Estoc 168 - 168 - - 100 60 C E - - - - 46.55 31.35 41.25 37.95 31.35 22 10.45 3.5
Estoc 173 - 173 - - 100 66 C E - - - - 51.3 34.2 45 41.4 34.2 24 11.4 4.5
Cleanrot Knight's Sword 176 - 176 - - 100 66 C E - - - - 48.45 32.3 42.5 39.1 32.3 23 10.45 4
Antspur Rapier 159 - 159 - - 100 62 C E - - - scarlet rot status effect elden ring wiki guide 25px(55) 44.65 29.45 38.75 35.65 29.45 21 9.5 3

Elden Ring Thrusting Swords Max Flame Upgrades

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Name Phy Mag Fir Lit Hol Cri Sta Str Dex Int Fai Arc Any Phy Mag Fir Lit Hol Bst Rst Wgt
Rogier's Rapier 178 - 178 - - 110 62 E D - B - - 46.55 31.35 41.25 37.95 31.35 22 10.45 3.5
Rapier 184 - 184 - - 130 60 E E - B - - 42.75 28.5 37.5 34.5 28.5 20 9.5 2.5
Noble's Estoc 198 - 198 - - 100 60 E E - C - - 46.55 31.35 41.25 37.95 31.35 22 10.45 3.5
Estoc 204 - 204 - - 100 66 E E - C - - 51.3 34.2 45 41.4 34.2 24 11.4 4.5
Cleanrot Knight's Sword 208 - 208 - - 100 66 E E - C - - 48.45 32.3 42.5 39.1 32.3 23 10.45 4
Antspur Rapier 188 - 188 - - 100 62 E E - B - scarlet rot status effect elden ring wiki guide 25px(55) 44.65 29.45 38.75 35.65 29.45 21 9.5 3

Elden Ring Thrusting Swords Max Lightning Upgrades

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Name Phy Mag Fir Lit Hol Cri Sta Str Dex Int Fai Arc Any Phy Mag Fir Lit Hol Bst Rst Wgt
Rogier's Rapier 154 - - 154 - 110 62 E C - - - - 46.55 31.35 37.95 41.25 31.35 22 10.45 3.5
Rapier 160 - - 160 - 130 60 E C - - - - 42.75 28.5 34.5 37.5 28.5 20 9.5 2.5
Noble's Estoc 172 - - 172 - 100 60 E C - - - - 46.55 31.35 37.95 41.25 31.35 22 10.45 3.5
Estoc 177 - - 177 - 100 66 E C - - - - 51.3 34.2 41.4 45 34.2 24 11.4 4.5
Cleanrot Knight's Sword 180 - - 180 - 100 66 E C - - - - 48.45 32.3 39.1 42.5 32.3 23 10.45 4
Antspur Rapier 163 - - 163 - 100 62 E C - - - scarlet rot status effect elden ring wiki guide 25px(55) 44.65 29.45 35.65 38.75 29.45 21 9.5 3

Elden Ring Thrusting Swords Max Sacred Upgrades

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Name Phy Mag Fir Lit Hol Cri Sta Str Dex Int Fai Arc Any Phy Mag Fir Lit Hol Bst Rst Wgt
Rogier's Rapier 178 - - - 178 110 62 E D - B - - 46.55 37.95 31.35 31.35 41.25 22 10.45 3.5
Rapier 184 - - - 184 130 60 E E - B - - 42.75 34.5 28.5 28.5 37.5 20 9.5 2.5
Noble's Estoc 198 - - - 198 100 60 E E - C - - 46.55 37.95 31.35 31.35 41.25 22 10.45 3.5
Estoc 204 - - - 204 100 66 E E - C - - 51.3 41.4 34.2 34.2 45 24 11.4 4.5
Cleanrot Knight's Sword 208 - - - 208 100 66 E E - C - - 48.45 39.1 32.3 32.3 42.5 23 10.45 4
Antspur Rapier 188 - - - 188 100 62 E E - B - scarlet rot status effect elden ring wiki guide 25px(55) 44.65 35.65 29.45 29.45 38.75 21 9.5 3

Elden Ring Thrusting Swords Max Magic Upgrades

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Name Phy Mag Fir Lit Hol Cri Sta Str Dex Int Fai Arc Any Phy Mag Fir Lit Hol Bst Rst Wgt
Rogier's Rapier 178 178 - - - 110 62 E D B - - - 46.55 41.25 31.35 31.35 37.95 22 10.45 3.5
Rapier 184 184 - - - 130 60 E E B - - - 42.75 37.5 28.5 28.5 34.5 20 9.5 2.5
Noble's Estoc 198 198 - - - 100 60 E E C - - - 46.55 41.25 31.35 31.35 37.95 22 10.45 3.5
Estoc 204 204 - - - 100 66 E E C - - - 51.3 45 34.2 34.2 41.4 24 11.4 4.5
Cleanrot Knight's Sword 208 208 - - - 100 66 E E C - - - 48.45 42.5 32.3 32.3 39.1 23 10.45 4
Antspur Rapier 188 188 - - - 100 62 E E B - - scarlet rot status effect elden ring wiki guide 25px(55) 44.65 38.75 29.45 29.45 35.65 21 9.5 3

Elden Ring Thrusting Swords Max Cold Upgrades

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Name Phy Mag Fir Lit Hol Cri Sta Str Dex Int Fai Arc Any Phy Mag Fir Lit Hol Bst Rst Wgt
Rogier's Rapier 160 127 - - - 110 62 E B C - - frostbite status effect elden ring wiki guide 25px(105) 46.55 37.95 31.35 31.35 31.35 22 10.45 3.5
Rapier 165 133 - - - 130 60 D B C - - frostbite status effect elden ring wiki guide 25px(105) 42.75 34.5 28.5 28.5 28.5 20 9.5 2.5
Noble's Estoc 178 142 - - - 100 60 C C C - - frostbite status effect elden ring wiki guide 25px(105) 46.55 37.95 31.35 31.35 31.35 22 10.45 3.5
Estoc 183 147 - - - 100 66 E B D - - frostbite status effect elden ring wiki guide 25px(105) 51.3 41.4 34.2 34.2 34.2 24 11.4 4.5
Cleanrot Knight's Sword 187 149 - - - 100 66 C D C - - frostbite status effect elden ring wiki guide 25px(105) 48.45 39.1 32.3 32.3 32.3 23 10.45 4
Antspur Rapier 169 135 - - - 100 62 C C C - - scarlet rot status effect elden ring wiki guide 25px(50)frostbite status effect elden ring wiki guide 25px(66) 44.65 35.65 29.45 29.45 29.45 21 9.5 3

Elden Ring Thrusting Swords Max Poison Upgrades

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Name Phy Mag Fir Lit Hol Cri Sta Str Dex Int Fai Arc Any Phy Mag Fir Lit Hol Bst Rst Wgt
Rogier's Rapier 191 - - - - 110 62 D B - - D poison status effect elden ring wiki guide 25px(95) 46.55 31.35 31.35 31.35 31.35 22 11 3.5
Rapier 197 - - - - 130 60 D B - - D poison status effect elden ring wiki guide 25px(95) 42.75 28.5 28.5 28.5 28.5 20 10 2.5
Noble's Estoc 212 - - - - 100 60 C C - - D poison status effect elden ring wiki guide 25px(95) 46.55 31.35 31.35 31.35 31.35 22 11 3.5
Estoc 219 - - - - 100 66 E B - - D poison status effect elden ring wiki guide 25px(95) 51.3 34.2 34.2 34.2 34.2 24 12 4.5
Cleanrot Knight's Sword 223 - - - - 100 66 C D - - D poison status effect elden ring wiki guide 25px(95) 48.45 32.3 32.3 32.3 32.3 23 11 4
Antspur Rapier 202 - - - - 100 62 C C - - D scarlet rot status effect elden ring wiki guide 25px(50)poison status effect elden ring wiki guide 25px(95) 44.65 29.45 29.45 29.45 29.45 21 10 3

Elden Ring Thrusting Swords Max Blood Upgrades

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Name Phy Mag Fir Lit Hol Cri Sta Str Dex Int Fai Arc Any Phy Mag Fir Lit Hol Bst Rst Wgt
Rogier's Rapier 191 - - - - 110 62 D B - - D hemorrhage status effect elden ring wiki guide 25px(82) 46.55 31.35 31.35 31.35 31.35 22 10.45 3.5
Rapier 197 - - - - 130 60 D B - - D hemorrhage status effect elden ring wiki guide 25px(82) 42.75 28.5 28.5 28.5 28.5 20 9.5 2.5
Noble's Estoc 212 - - - - 100 60 C C - - D hemorrhage status effect elden ring wiki guide 25px(82) 46.55 31.35 31.35 31.35 31.35 22 10.45 3.5
Estoc 219 - - - - 100 66 E B - - D hemorrhage status effect elden ring wiki guide 25px(82) 51.3 34.2 34.2 34.2 34.2 24 11.4 4.5
Cleanrot Knight's Sword 223 - - - - 100 66 C D - - D hemorrhage status effect elden ring wiki guide 25px(82) 48.45 32.3 32.3 32.3 32.3 23 10.45 4
Antspur Rapier 202 - - - - 100 62 C C - - D scarlet rot status effect elden ring wiki guide 25px(50)hemorrhage status effect elden ring wiki guide 25px(82) 44.65 29.45 29.45 29.45 29.45 21 9.5 3

Elden Ring Thrusting Swords Max Occult Upgrades

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Name Phy Mag Fir Lit Hol Cri Sta Str Dex Int Fai Arc Any Phy Mag Fir Lit Hol Bst Rst Wgt
Rogier's Rapier 200 - - - - 110 62 E D - - B - 49 33 33 33 33 24.2 11 3.5
Rapier 207 - - - - 130 60 E D - - B - 45 30 30 30 30 22 10 2.5
Noble's Estoc 222 - - - - 100 60 E E - - B - 49 33 33 33 33 24.2 11 3.5
Estoc 229 - - - - 100 66 E D - - B - 54 36 36 36 36 26.4 12 4.5
Cleanrot Knight's Sword 234 - - - - 100 66 D E - - B - 51 34 34 34 34 25.3 11 4
Antspur Rapier 211 - - - - 100 62 E D - - B scarlet rot status effect elden ring wiki guide 25px(50) 47 31 31 31 31 23.1 10 3

 




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    • Anonymous

      I have no idea how you'd nerf these things without killing all appeal in using them, because they're too good at too much.

      One of the best shield-poke tools for a Strength build, amazing status tool both power-stanced and one-handed, and requirements are generally low enough to be friendly to casters looking for an emergency melee weapon.

      How do you balance something that's a top pick for nearly every build type in the game?

      • Love how balanced the offhand thrusting swords are. Already one of the best weapon classes in the game and they’re not affected by 1.10’s 1st hit poise damage change when in the offhand.

        Fair and Balanced Thrusting Ring

        • Anonymous

          Hey together,
          what is the best weapon in this shitty game, I personally like thge Assault Rifle and Automatic Machine Gun

          • Anonymous

            Severs balance problems. Poise damage too high is one. This first issue is made worse by the fact that two handing gives way more poise damage/stagger time and improves strength scaling. There should not have been a strength scaling thrust sword, certainly not the longest in the class either. The PS move set is also a problem since it hits 3 or 4 times for almost full damage on a single button press. The PS move set also leverages more range and properly tilts the body so it’s harder to hit as well. This makes the PS move set a beast at trades and will often narrowly avoid taking damage on trades at all. And ofcourse, you can go status build for even more absurd damage at no cost to damage output. I promise you they’re gonna add a frenzy rapier in the DLC…

            • Anonymous

              staggerring build idea:
              right hand : rapier (thrusting sword with highest crit) with glintblade phalanx ash of war in right hand, along with keen affinity
              left hand : roger's rapier with cold affinity and meteoric staff with rock swing sorcery
              talismans: assasin's crimson dagger, assasin's cerulean dagger, dagger talisman, rotten wing sword insignia
              main stats: int (at least 30), dex (same), viguor, endurance. strenght and faith are useless.
              use glintblade phalanx and spam rock swing until target is knock down, if it's a boss, switch to roger's rapier and spam power stance (dual holding) attack with both rapiers. If it's an ennemy (or if your low on hp/fp and dont want to use flask) do a front stab (critical hit).
              enjoy ;3

              • Anonymous

                There's no weapon class in the game with a bigger difference in their effectiveness between PvE and PvP. In PvP, their startlingly high poise damage and speed, plus counter hits, make them an extremely versatile backup option for offhanding or even mainhanding. In PvE, they lack stance pressure, can't interrupt even some of the weakest attacks, have low damage, and have somewhat limited movesets. I've beat the game all remembrances with at least one weapon of each class as the primary weapon and my thrusting sword run was among the hardest -- perhaps only daggers were worse, but they're also bad in PvP so there's not much to expect there. We're a long way from Estoc builds in DS2.

                • Anonymous

                  How the hell does attacking with this thing 1 handed in the left hand do insane poise damage? It broke through the hyper armor of my collosal great sword

                  • Anonymous

                    These things are cracked for just how versatile they are. Want fast status build without the stumpy range of daggers? Want an emergency melee weapon on a caster? A dex weapon that's trivially easy to power-stance? There's more builds that benefit from a thrusting sword than builds that don't.

                    • Anonymous

                      The problem with this class was never the speed. It's when it's combined with their their tracking and hitboxes. The hitbox issue was already said by 05 Aug Anon. For tracking, the fact that turning your character mid-thrust can give you a hitbox of a slashing weapon is incredibly dumb. A thrust doesn't work like that IRL. If they were to ever nerf this class (they won't), it should be their tracking, because thrusts inherently cannot threaten a wide area.

                      • Anonymous

                        These have the same problems a lot of other weapons have; they are too long. You can roll catch just by spamming r1 with the four longest. I also think they look too big in general.

                        • Anonymous

                          Just a bit of sword nerd stuff for those that are interested in knowing what inspired From for making these. There seems to be a misunderstanding about rapiers or "Thrusting Swords" as the game calls them. Rapiers are not just for thrusting. Small Swords are the ones without cutting edges. Rapiers, almost all of them have cutting edges. Obviously, they don't cut as much as other blade types because their blades are quite slim, compared to say, a longsword or a basket hilt sword which have broader blade profiles.

                          Funny enough, the Estoc should NOT have an edge since that was a "battlefield rapier" designed to be griped by the blade and handle to aid in the thrust in the gaps of plate armor, because they often have blocky and extremelly rigid blades incapable of being sharpened. Think of it like, an oversized Rondel Dagger.

                          • Anonymous

                            Pvp aside, these are excellent backup boss killers. I have never seen anyone use my build but I’d like to share. In co-op I use:

                            Rapier, physical affinity, chilling mist, black flame blade.

                            For slow bosses you start with an L2, then immediately black flame blade which gains the fast cast effect because it’s combod with the ash. The cloud will frost the boss and the flame will undo the frost, allowing more buildup. Against some bosses like erdtree avatars or 1st phase Rennala the frost can proc twice in 1 go, leading to tremendous damage.

                            For only 2.5 weight and 12 dex it’s incredible, you can solo a variety of bosses like radahn, sewer mohg, etc with a setup of 5 red 2 blue (4-3 if you want assurance that you have enough black flame to kill the boss, or for hard-to-hit bosses like Maliketh who will waste part of your cast). I’m usually at 4-2 anyways those last flasks are a PITA.

                            For 20 dex you can run the antspur. The combo of rot + black flame blade (+ poison throwing daggers + frost) will literally melt bosses. I deleted the fire giant on a lvl 15 build this way. Deletes Morgott, deletes maliketh, and I cannot stress how hard this eviscerates Astel. Useable level 1 with radagons, dex tali (Millicent’s), faith tali, and +2 faith gear. Last slot I’d go turtle tali, since you will dodge and attack a lot.

                            Rapiers are the BEST class for using black flame blade. Low recovery frames, just focus on dodging + tagging the boss with the flame.

                            For normal PVE have a bigger weapon at least katana/spear size to stagger knights, omens and such. Thx for reading and happy hunting!

                            • Anonymous

                              Why are they only have thrust move anyway? Rapiers are about fast, flashy and elegant strikes, not just mindless thrusts. Old animation assets revamped I know, but done lazily.

                              • Anonymous

                                There are lots of counters existing for this in PvP and I don't really think they need speed/damage adjustments as many people suppose... but I just don't get the decision behind the gigantic ghost hitbox. The hitbox is a goot 15 times thicker than the weapon itself. The entire concept of a thrusting sword is to be a quick stab weapon for duels. There was literally no reason to make these hitboxes so big that your enemy can rollcatch you with a forward thrust while you're standing on his side. You can get used to it, but like... why is it like that in the first place?

                                • Anonymous

                                  Haven't seen anyone else mention this but the one-handed jumping R2 has the exact same speed and recovery time as the jumping R1.

                                  • Anonymous

                                    It really makes no sense that the estoc isnt the longest, its visually longer than the cleanrot and it weighs the most.

                                    • Anonymous

                                      It's so funny to me how meta slaves are almost like anime villains sometimes, they start with something like curved greatsword, get hit once or twice and swap to moonveil / magic spam like they just did a speech about how impressive it was for me to get a single hit in, but they're not at a fraction of their power. These, of course, are their final phase. Dual wielded, blood infused, BHS. Their theme plays and they spam till I'm gone, slow RP walk away...

                                      • Anonymous

                                        Most people using quickstep/bloodhound step with these will instantly queue attack after using the skill, making for a very easy parry. I know saying "just parry" isn't a solution to all of lifes problems but hey, its something you can do.

                                        • Anonymous

                                          The estoc should really be the longest in the class, the weapon itself is literally longer than cleanrot and it often does less damage. It having the range advantage would make more sense.

                                          • Anonymous

                                            Thrusting swords are very fast weapon. But unlike many weapon rapiers dont have R2-attacks, they are able to stun knights-type enemies. So use a running attack + R2. To damage the balance, use charged R2 and Glinstone Phalanx. Three-four such attacks break knights and trolls. I like Rogier's and Noble's swords.

                                            • Anonymous

                                              *applies rot drawstring grease* quickstep r1 quickstep r1 quickstep r1 quickstep r1 quickstep r1 quickstep r1 quickstep r1 quickstep r1 quickstep r1

                                              • Anonymous

                                                Scrolled to the comments to see if anyone had interesting ways to use these weapons and only found people moaning about pvp.

                                                • Anonymous

                                                  I know it's too op, but it can't be helped when I need to fight casters those spam a lot of magic. They're very effective.

                                                  • Anonymous

                                                    Heavy beats keen scaling with their respective builds on every single one of these that are infusible when used 2-handed; by a fair amount too. It's kind of silly, really.

                                                    • Anonymous

                                                      These weapons are a shining example of why ER's weapon affinity system is terrible. Thrusting swords, like most dedicated pierce weapons, have fairly low AR to compensate for their ability to exploit counter thrust damage and the spear talisman. Because of this almost reliance on counter damage, which only affects pierce, elemental affinities fare worse than pure physical (lightning damage does not benefit from spear talisman, for example). So you would think these would be related to dexterity builds, but no, strength builds can slap heavy on anything and do comparable (or higher) damage, even while 1H. Strength in ER is the quality build of yesteryear, swapping between countless various weapons, but with better damage. Claymore, spears, thrusting swords, daggers, fists, even heavy nagakiba works.


                                                      But these are also a good example of why DS3 poise was a good thing. Someone with enough poise with one or more thrusting swords can take a hit from just about anything straight to the face, not care, and unload two to four counter hit attacks before their attacker can react. No need to whiff punish, just face tank.

                                                      • Anonymous

                                                        effectively pvp on easy mode. powerstanced? stupidly high damage and insanely fast. 2-handed? stupidly high damage and insanely fast. off-handed? stupidly high damage and insanely fast. just put on quickstep/bhs and enjoy your perfect win ratio.

                                                        • Anonymous

                                                          Useless now that the poise damage was nerfed. I was fine with them nerfing the heavy thrusting swords but regular thrusting swords was fine idk why they needed to bother them.

                                                          • Anonymous

                                                            insane tracking, insanely low recovery between attacks, ashable, gets access to counter attacks, and half the time will cancel an opponents attack because of how high the poise damage is now.

                                                            • Anonymous

                                                              "god, these moonveil spamming noobs are soooo annoying" *quickstep r1 quickstep r1 quickstep r1 quickstep r1 quickstep r1 quickstep r1*

                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                WHY THE HELL DID THEY BUFF THEM?! WHY?! There was no reason to do so. The balance teams at From makes any amateur balance teams at Blizzard Entertainment look experienced in comparison.

                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                  you basically can't win if you're using a colossal against these. the aimpunch makes you swing miss by a mile and you take way more damage because of counterhits

                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                    light roll thrusting sword might be the most cancer build i've ever had the displeasure of fighting against

                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                      Thrusting swords have always been part of the meta for a long time and that's because of their poise damage. Each R1 stops almost every other weapon no matter how much poise you have. For all the great things about these swords, having enough poise damage that makes most armors stagger should never have been a thing and combined with speed and a lot of damage buffs it makes all other weapons obsolete.

                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                        I have 85 poise and every r1 stuns me. Whoever decided to boost thrusting swords and thrusing greatswords poisw dmg is a total i d iot

                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                          Bruh there was a time people were nervous to use rapiers and spears.... Start keeping a backup Parry tool on yourselves...

                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                            Poise damage should be halved. They're trading weapons, and yet they can knock anybody whos not in full bullgoat out of a trade. WTF

                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                              Put on quickstep/bloodhound step and just mash your controller. You're bound to win at least 80% of your fights.

                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                in 1.07 these became even more dominant in PvP than they were before, endure on a two-handed thrusting sword is nigh unbeatable. You can stagger pretty much anybody into submission while being almost completely untouchable.

                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                  No idea why the lock on aims so low with attacks, feels like I have to manually aim when using any kind of thrust attack, which is kind of when lock on should be the most reliable

                                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                                    ive always hated rapiers in fromsoft games but i came to love them in elden ring. they are incredibly fast, aggressive weapons. works so well with rotten wing sword insignia and the physick that boosts successive attacks. bonus points if you have poison/rot or bleed and the corresponding exultation talisman. dps can get kind of insane very fast

                                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                                      How come the estoc's hitbox has less range than the Cleanrot Sword despite the model being longer? What is this logic, Miyazaki?

                                                                                      • When Powerstancing two Rapiers, it seems that the L1 attack pattern is: L-R>R-R-R. I wonder if that means it will only apply the Passive Effects/Damage of the Right Weapon when doing the right attacks. This came up when I saw someone using Seppuku on their Left Rapier, but a different AOW on their Right Rapier. Will the Seppuku bleed apply to BOTH of the weapons when doing L1 attacks?

                                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                                          Nobles estoc have been very generous when it comes to how well they scale and the reach on the nobles slender swords is amazing. Bleed or ice and 67 poise and Rivers/moonveil becomes obsolete.

                                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                                            Damn these need a nerf and hitbox-fix, way to high damage and range, more range than the reach of the weapon model. Total bs for pvp, if you use this: i hope you get hurt.

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