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So just to check. Overall, if you're not thinking about status effects like with the Antspur, the Cleanrot Knight's sword is probably the strongest overall in terms of flat damage stats, bar certain scalings on the Rapier?

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Kinda wish at least one of these had a scaling other than dex + strength. Probably will see such a weapon in the dlc

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Thrusting swords are cool every other game, and every other game they're totally op.

DS1 - cool
DS2 - the most op weapon class in the game
DS3 - cool
ER - for 1,5 years the most op weapon class in pvp, after 1.10 still on of the most op things in the game as main weapon and totally busted as offhand.

I dont know, maybe ER is really Dark Souls 2 2

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Wiki is wrong, estoc is longer than cleanrot

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Me: *Powerstancing with this weapon class for the first time*
Me: *L1, L1, L1, L1, L1*
Me: O_O

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The Estoc is larger than the Noble, so how come the Noble has more range than the Estoc? Doesn't make sense

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effortless rollcatches and too much damage. i was killed in 4 hits from a poison cleanrot sword at 60 vigor and erdtree favor +2, not the thickest armor in the world but not cloth either. the wielder did not have all the poison buff effects either. just four pokes of an absurdly long incredibly fast, and easily connected weapon, game over. that means even with the severe damage penalty of poison affinity, each attack was doing about 500 damage, not counter hits either, i was just trying to get away.

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whats up with pvp salt in the comments?

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God I miss the Rapier stance weapon art from Dark Souls 3, now it's split up into two separate aow's

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If you use this weapon class it's probably the only time you're thrusting anything

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I have no idea how you'd nerf these things without killing all appeal in using them, because they're too good at too much.

One of the best shield-poke tools for a Strength build, amazing status tool both power-stanced and one-handed, and requirements are generally low enough to be friendly to casters looking for an emergency melee weapon.

How do you balance something that's a top pick for nearly every build type in the game?

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if you use one'a these bad boys on your offhand something GOTTA be wrong with you

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Love how balanced the offhand thrusting swords are. Already one of the best weapon classes in the game and they’re not affected by 1.10’s 1st hit poise damage change when in the offhand.

Fair and Balanced Thrusting Ring

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Hey together,
what is the best weapon in this shitty game, I personally like thge Assault Rifle and Automatic Machine Gun

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Severs balance problems. Poise damage too high is one. This first issue is made worse by the fact that two handing gives way more poise damage/stagger time and improves strength scaling. There should not have been a strength scaling thrust sword, certainly not the longest in the class either. The PS move set is also a problem since it hits 3 or 4 times for almost full damage on a single button press. The PS move set also leverages more range and properly tilts the body so it’s harder to hit as well. This makes the PS move set a beast at trades and will often narrowly avoid taking damage on trades at all. And ofcourse, you can go status build for even more absurd damage at no cost to damage output. I promise you they’re gonna add a frenzy rapier in the DLC…

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staggerring build idea:
right hand : rapier (thrusting sword with highest crit) with glintblade phalanx ash of war in right hand, along with keen affinity
left hand : roger's rapier with cold affinity and meteoric staff with rock swing sorcery
talismans: assasin's crimson dagger, assasin's cerulean dagger, dagger talisman, rotten wing sword insignia
main stats: int (at least 30), dex (same), viguor, endurance. strenght and faith are useless.
use glintblade phalanx and spam rock swing until target is knock down, if it's a boss, switch to roger's rapier and spam power stance (dual holding) attack with both rapiers. If it's an ennemy (or if your low on hp/fp and dont want to use flask) do a front stab (critical hit).
enjoy ;3

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also default of frozen needle

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There's no weapon class in the game with a bigger difference in their effectiveness between PvE and PvP. In PvP, their startlingly high poise damage and speed, plus counter hits, make them an extremely versatile backup option for offhanding or even mainhanding. In PvE, they lack stance pressure, can't interrupt even some of the weakest attacks, have low damage, and have somewhat limited movesets. I've beat the game all remembrances with at least one weapon of each class as the primary weapon and my thrusting sword run was among the hardest -- perhaps only daggers were worse, but they're also bad in PvP so there's not much to expect there. We're a long way from Estoc builds in DS2.

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How the hell does attacking with this thing 1 handed in the left hand do insane poise damage? It broke through the hyper armor of my collosal great sword

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These things are cracked for just how versatile they are. Want fast status build without the stumpy range of daggers? Want an emergency melee weapon on a caster? A dex weapon that's trivially easy to power-stance? There's more builds that benefit from a thrusting sword than builds that don't.

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The problem with this class was never the speed. It's when it's combined with their their tracking and hitboxes. The hitbox issue was already said by 05 Aug Anon. For tracking, the fact that turning your character mid-thrust can give you a hitbox of a slashing weapon is incredibly dumb. A thrust doesn't work like that IRL. If they were to ever nerf this class (they won't), it should be their tracking, because thrusts inherently cannot threaten a wide area.

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These have the same problems a lot of other weapons have; they are too long. You can roll catch just by spamming r1 with the four longest. I also think they look too big in general.

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give us more somber of these in the dlc miyazaki

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Just a bit of sword nerd stuff for those that are interested in knowing what inspired From for making these. There seems to be a misunderstanding about rapiers or "Thrusting Swords" as the game calls them. Rapiers are not just for thrusting. Small Swords are the ones without cutting edges. Rapiers, almost all of them have cutting edges. Obviously, they don't cut as much as other blade types because their blades are quite slim, compared to say, a longsword or a basket hilt sword which have broader blade profiles.

Funny enough, the Estoc should NOT have an edge since that was a "battlefield rapier" designed to be griped by the blade and handle to aid in the thrust in the gaps of plate armor, because they often have blocky and extremelly rigid blades incapable of being sharpened. Think of it like, an oversized Rondel Dagger.

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Patches come and go, but the thrusting cancer stands still.

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Just curious but why is the godskin stitcher not in this list?

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Also the dragon king's cragblade is not on the list.

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Pvp aside, these are excellent backup boss killers. I have never seen anyone use my build but I’d like to share. In co-op I use:

Rapier, physical affinity, chilling mist, black flame blade.

For slow bosses you start with an L2, then immediately black flame blade which gains the fast cast effect because it’s combod with the ash. The cloud will frost the boss and the flame will undo the frost, allowing more buildup. Against some bosses like erdtree avatars or 1st phase Rennala the frost can proc twice in 1 go, leading to tremendous damage.

For only 2.5 weight and 12 dex it’s incredible, you can solo a variety of bosses like radahn, sewer mohg, etc with a setup of 5 red 2 blue (4-3 if you want assurance that you have enough black flame to kill the boss, or for hard-to-hit bosses like Maliketh who will waste part of your cast). I’m usually at 4-2 anyways those last flasks are a PITA.

For 20 dex you can run the antspur. The combo of rot + black flame blade (+ poison throwing daggers + frost) will literally melt bosses. I deleted the fire giant on a lvl 15 build this way. Deletes Morgott, deletes maliketh, and I cannot stress how hard this eviscerates Astel. Useable level 1 with radagons, dex tali (Millicent’s), faith tali, and +2 faith gear. Last slot I’d go turtle tali, since you will dodge and attack a lot.

Rapiers are the BEST class for using black flame blade. Low recovery frames, just focus on dodging + tagging the boss with the flame.

For normal PVE have a bigger weapon at least katana/spear size to stagger knights, omens and such. Thx for reading and happy hunting!

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elden ring really is DS2:2

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Why are they only have thrust move anyway? Rapiers are about fast, flashy and elegant strikes, not just mindless thrusts. Old animation assets revamped I know, but done lazily.

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There are lots of counters existing for this in PvP and I don't really think they need speed/damage adjustments as many people suppose... but I just don't get the decision behind the gigantic ghost hitbox. The hitbox is a goot 15 times thicker than the weapon itself. The entire concept of a thrusting sword is to be a quick stab weapon for duels. There was literally no reason to make these hitboxes so big that your enemy can rollcatch you with a forward thrust while you're standing on his side. You can get used to it, but like... why is it like that in the first place?

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PvP nerds whining about thrusting weapons like they've not been the meta for centuries.

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Haven't seen anyone else mention this but the one-handed jumping R2 has the exact same speed and recovery time as the jumping R1.

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It really makes no sense that the estoc isnt the longest, its visually longer than the cleanrot and it weighs the most.

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It's so funny to me how meta slaves are almost like anime villains sometimes, they start with something like curved greatsword, get hit once or twice and swap to moonveil / magic spam like they just did a speech about how impressive it was for me to get a single hit in, but they're not at a fraction of their power. These, of course, are their final phase. Dual wielded, blood infused, BHS. Their theme plays and they spam till I'm gone, slow RP walk away...

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Not a single unique Ash of War among them.

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Very fun if both parties are at a low poise.

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Looks like i will never know how good these are for pve

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Most people using quickstep/bloodhound step with these will instantly queue attack after using the skill, making for a very easy parry. I know saying "just parry" isn't a solution to all of lifes problems but hey, its something you can do.

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DS2 powerstanced rapiers > ELDEN RING powerstanced rapiers

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Wait, why do the impaling thrust have different FP consumption on different weapons? Estoc is 14 whereas Noble's Estoc is 9?

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The estoc should really be the longest in the class, the weapon itself is literally longer than cleanrot and it often does less damage. It having the range advantage would make more sense.

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It's a shame this is the only weapon type without a weapon that has a unique skill.

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single-handedly invalidates low poise in pvp

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Poke.

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Thrusting swords are very fast weapon. But unlike many weapon rapiers dont have R2-attacks, they are able to stun knights-type enemies. So use a running attack + R2. To damage the balance, use charged R2 and Glinstone Phalanx. Three-four such attacks break knights and trolls. I like Rogier's and Noble's swords.

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*applies rot drawstring grease* quickstep r1 quickstep r1 quickstep r1 quickstep r1 quickstep r1 quickstep r1 quickstep r1 quickstep r1 quickstep r1

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Scrolled to the comments to see if anyone had interesting ways to use these weapons and only found people moaning about pvp.

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Pokey stick class gets 7 pancakes out of 9 spooky waffles

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All these weapons should disappear from the game for good. Pure garbage.

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I know it's too op, but it can't be helped when I need to fight casters those spam a lot of magic. They're very effective.

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Great shield+rapier with high stamina means for a kind of unpublishable PVE experience

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Best weapon class in the game for PvP. Nothing comes close to its damage-frame data ratio

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Heavy beats keen scaling with their respective builds on every single one of these that are infusible when used 2-handed; by a fair amount too. It's kind of silly, really.

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These weapons are a shining example of why ER's weapon affinity system is terrible. Thrusting swords, like most dedicated pierce weapons, have fairly low AR to compensate for their ability to exploit counter thrust damage and the spear talisman. Because of this almost reliance on counter damage, which only affects pierce, elemental affinities fare worse than pure physical (lightning damage does not benefit from spear talisman, for example). So you would think these would be related to dexterity builds, but no, strength builds can slap heavy on anything and do comparable (or higher) damage, even while 1H. Strength in ER is the quality build of yesteryear, swapping between countless various weapons, but with better damage. Claymore, spears, thrusting swords, daggers, fists, even heavy nagakiba works.


But these are also a good example of why DS3 poise was a good thing. Someone with enough poise with one or more thrusting swords can take a hit from just about anything straight to the face, not care, and unload two to four counter hit attacks before their attacker can react. No need to whiff punish, just face tank.

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Powerstance any 2 cold rapiers + hoarfrost. Game becomes kinda boring. Antspur can have 2 build ups.

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These weapons are the definition if anti-fashion, the poise damage should be nerfed to 0

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I miss DS1 thrusting sword poise damage....

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literally unpunishable at higher than average latency

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effectively pvp on easy mode. powerstanced? stupidly high damage and insanely fast. 2-handed? stupidly high damage and insanely fast. off-handed? stupidly high damage and insanely fast. just put on quickstep/bhs and enjoy your perfect win ratio.

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mfw powerstanced cleanrot rapiers have like 3x dps than a two handed iron greatsword

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quickstep r1 is so free its not even funny

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Useless now that the poise damage was nerfed. I was fine with them nerfing the heavy thrusting swords but regular thrusting swords was fine idk why they needed to bother them.

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in the dlc they need more weapons in certain classes, they have like nothing available

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there's like no thrusting swords...

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when would fromsoft give us int thrusting sword

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Fighting one of these gave me like two and a half different extinct illnesses.

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they're still pretty meta, but not nearly as bad

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insane tracking, insanely low recovery between attacks, ashable, gets access to counter attacks, and half the time will cancel an opponents attack because of how high the poise damage is now.

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"god, these moonveil spamming noobs are soooo annoying" *quickstep r1 quickstep r1 quickstep r1 quickstep r1 quickstep r1 quickstep r1*

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WHY THE HELL DID THEY BUFF THEM?! WHY?! There was no reason to do so. The balance teams at From makes any amateur balance teams at Blizzard Entertainment look experienced in comparison.

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These were always OP it is just that other things were worse.

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crutch weapon

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Why is counter damage even a thing in the souls games? It makes no sense.

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you basically can't win if you're using a colossal against these. the aimpunch makes you swing miss by a mile and you take way more damage because of counterhits

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you literally can't strafe them. the tracking needs to be seriously looked at

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light roll thrusting sword might be the most cancer build i've ever had the displeasure of fighting against

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Thrusting swords have always been part of the meta for a long time and that's because of their poise damage. Each R1 stops almost every other weapon no matter how much poise you have. For all the great things about these swords, having enough poise damage that makes most armors stagger should never have been a thing and combined with speed and a lot of damage buffs it makes all other weapons obsolete.

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6 different flavors of murky

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I have 85 poise and every r1 stuns me. Whoever decided to boost thrusting swords and thrusing greatswords poisw dmg is a total i d iot

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The graph is completely wrong, estoc is longer than cleanrot by a mile

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If you're sub 70 poise you're just screwed. Nothing is gonna save you from the r1 hurricane.

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Bruh there was a time people were nervous to use rapiers and spears.... Start keeping a backup Parry tool on yourselves...

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Poise damage should be halved. They're trading weapons, and yet they can knock anybody whos not in full bullgoat out of a trade. WTF

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probably the least fun meta to date, at least vykes was backstabbable.

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Put on quickstep/bloodhound step and just mash your controller. You're bound to win at least 80% of your fights.

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Be wary of employment

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the new skillless meta is here.

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in 1.07 these became even more dominant in PvP than they were before, endure on a two-handed thrusting sword is nigh unbeatable. You can stagger pretty much anybody into submission while being almost completely untouchable.

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Christ these were already great in pvp, now they do way too much poise damage. Army of poke spammers.

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For mages: Frozen Noble Estoc is better than Frozen Estoc.

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I believe that the damage of the Rapier and Rogier's Rapier are swapped

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No idea why the lock on aims so low with attacks, feels like I have to manually aim when using any kind of thrust attack, which is kind of when lock on should be the most reliable

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I miss spider's silk, It looked lovely

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ive always hated rapiers in fromsoft games but i came to love them in elden ring. they are incredibly fast, aggressive weapons. works so well with rotten wing sword insignia and the physick that boosts successive attacks. bonus points if you have poison/rot or bleed and the corresponding exultation talisman. dps can get kind of insane very fast

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Attack speed startup is 100ms faster in the offhand for all of these

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How come the estoc's hitbox has less range than the Cleanrot Sword despite the model being longer? What is this logic, Miyazaki?

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Dual antspur rapiers with poison...you now have close to Dark Souls 2 poison damage.

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It is unfortunate there isnt a Int scaling thrusting sword or any with a unique ashe of war

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