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The estoc should really be the longest in the class, the weapon itself is literally longer than cleanrot and it often does less damage. It having the range advantage would make more sense.

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It's a shame this is the only weapon type without a weapon that has a unique skill.

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single-handedly invalidates low poise in pvp

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Poke.

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Thrusting swords are very fast weapon. But unlike many weapon rapiers dont have R2-attacks, they are able to stun knights-type enemies. So use a running attack + R2. To damage the balance, use charged R2 and Glinstone Phalanx. Three-four such attacks break knights and trolls. I like Rogier's and Noble's swords.

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*applies rot drawstring grease* quickstep r1 quickstep r1 quickstep r1 quickstep r1 quickstep r1 quickstep r1 quickstep r1 quickstep r1 quickstep r1

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Scrolled to the comments to see if anyone had interesting ways to use these weapons and only found people moaning about pvp.

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Pokey stick class gets 7 pancakes out of 9 spooky waffles

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All these weapons should disappear from the game for good. Pure garbage.

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I know it's too op, but it can't be helped when I need to fight casters those spam a lot of magic. They're very effective.

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Great shield+rapier with high stamina means for a kind of unpublishable PVE experience

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Best weapon class in the game for PvP. Nothing comes close to its damage-frame data ratio

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Heavy beats keen scaling with their respective builds on every single one of these that are infusible when used 2-handed; by a fair amount too. It's kind of silly, really.

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These weapons are a shining example of why ER's weapon affinity system is terrible. Thrusting swords, like most dedicated pierce weapons, have fairly low AR to compensate for their ability to exploit counter thrust damage and the spear talisman. Because of this almost reliance on counter damage, which only affects pierce, elemental affinities fare worse than pure physical (lightning damage does not benefit from spear talisman, for example). So you would think these would be related to dexterity builds, but no, strength builds can slap heavy on anything and do comparable (or higher) damage, even while 1H. Strength in ER is the quality build of yesteryear, swapping between countless various weapons, but with better damage. Claymore, spears, thrusting swords, daggers, fists, even heavy nagakiba works.


But these are also a good example of why DS3 poise was a good thing. Someone with enough poise with one or more thrusting swords can take a hit from just about anything straight to the face, not care, and unload two to four counter hit attacks before their attacker can react. No need to whiff punish, just face tank.

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Powerstance any 2 cold rapiers + hoarfrost. Game becomes kinda boring. Antspur can have 2 build ups.

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These weapons are the definition if anti-fashion, the poise damage should be nerfed to 0

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I miss DS1 thrusting sword poise damage....

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literally unpunishable at higher than average latency

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effectively pvp on easy mode. powerstanced? stupidly high damage and insanely fast. 2-handed? stupidly high damage and insanely fast. off-handed? stupidly high damage and insanely fast. just put on quickstep/bhs and enjoy your perfect win ratio.

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mfw powerstanced cleanrot rapiers have like 3x dps than a two handed iron greatsword

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quickstep r1 is so free its not even funny

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Useless now that the poise damage was nerfed. I was fine with them nerfing the heavy thrusting swords but regular thrusting swords was fine idk why they needed to bother them.

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in the dlc they need more weapons in certain classes, they have like nothing available

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there's like no thrusting swords...

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when would fromsoft give us int thrusting sword

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Fighting one of these gave me like two and a half different extinct illnesses.

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they're still pretty meta, but not nearly as bad

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insane tracking, insanely low recovery between attacks, ashable, gets access to counter attacks, and half the time will cancel an opponents attack because of how high the poise damage is now.

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"god, these moonveil spamming noobs are soooo annoying" *quickstep r1 quickstep r1 quickstep r1 quickstep r1 quickstep r1 quickstep r1*

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WHY THE HELL DID THEY BUFF THEM?! WHY?! There was no reason to do so. The balance teams at From makes any amateur balance teams at Blizzard Entertainment look experienced in comparison.

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These were always OP it is just that other things were worse.

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crutch weapon

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Why is counter damage even a thing in the souls games? It makes no sense.

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you basically can't win if you're using a colossal against these. the aimpunch makes you swing miss by a mile and you take way more damage because of counterhits

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you literally can't strafe them. the tracking needs to be seriously looked at

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light roll thrusting sword might be the most cancer build i've ever had the displeasure of fighting against

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Thrusting swords have always been part of the meta for a long time and that's because of their poise damage. Each R1 stops almost every other weapon no matter how much poise you have. For all the great things about these swords, having enough poise damage that makes most armors stagger should never have been a thing and combined with speed and a lot of damage buffs it makes all other weapons obsolete.

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6 different flavors of murky

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I have 85 poise and every r1 stuns me. Whoever decided to boost thrusting swords and thrusing greatswords poisw dmg is a total i d iot

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The graph is completely wrong, estoc is longer than cleanrot by a mile

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If you're sub 70 poise you're just screwed. Nothing is gonna save you from the r1 hurricane.

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Bruh there was a time people were nervous to use rapiers and spears.... Start keeping a backup Parry tool on yourselves...

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Poise damage should be halved. They're trading weapons, and yet they can knock anybody whos not in full bullgoat out of a trade. WTF

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probably the least fun meta to date, at least vykes was backstabbable.

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Put on quickstep/bloodhound step and just mash your controller. You're bound to win at least 80% of your fights.

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Be wary of employment

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the new skillless meta is here.

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in 1.07 these became even more dominant in PvP than they were before, endure on a two-handed thrusting sword is nigh unbeatable. You can stagger pretty much anybody into submission while being almost completely untouchable.

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Christ these were already great in pvp, now they do way too much poise damage. Army of poke spammers.

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For mages: Frozen Noble Estoc is better than Frozen Estoc.

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I believe that the damage of the Rapier and Rogier's Rapier are swapped

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No idea why the lock on aims so low with attacks, feels like I have to manually aim when using any kind of thrust attack, which is kind of when lock on should be the most reliable

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I miss spider's silk, It looked lovely

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ive always hated rapiers in fromsoft games but i came to love them in elden ring. they are incredibly fast, aggressive weapons. works so well with rotten wing sword insignia and the physick that boosts successive attacks. bonus points if you have poison/rot or bleed and the corresponding exultation talisman. dps can get kind of insane very fast

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Attack speed startup is 100ms faster in the offhand for all of these

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How come the estoc's hitbox has less range than the Cleanrot Sword despite the model being longer? What is this logic, Miyazaki?

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Dual antspur rapiers with poison...you now have close to Dark Souls 2 poison damage.

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It is unfortunate there isnt a Int scaling thrusting sword or any with a unique ashe of war

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rip crow quills the only thrusting sword I like.

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I like the way you thrust, Cloud.

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When Powerstancing two Rapiers, it seems that the L1 attack pattern is: L-R>R-R-R. I wonder if that means it will only apply the Passive Effects/Damage of the Right Weapon when doing the right attacks. This came up when I saw someone using Seppuku on their Left Rapier, but a different AOW on their Right Rapier. Will the Seppuku bleed apply to BOTH of the weapons when doing L1 attacks?

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Nobles estoc have been very generous when it comes to how well they scale and the reach on the nobles slender swords is amazing. Bleed or ice and 67 poise and Rivers/moonveil becomes obsolete.

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no v v=for velka... :(

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Frozen Needle ===> Skill: Impaling "THURST"

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No Ricard's Rapier or equivalent?

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Damn these need a nerf and hitbox-fix, way to high damage and range, more range than the reach of the weapon model. Total bs for pvp, if you use this: i hope you get hurt.

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So there are no split damage thrusting swords? Weird

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patch 1.04 addressed the powerstancing issue!

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Ds3-katanas are bad, straightswords are superior
ER-straithswords are bad katanas are superior

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the bloody helice as well

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Man, the powerstance on those is so beautiful. Although maybe I am biased, after all I used to do fencing. Still, one of the drippiest weapon classes IMO

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i wish these got a new more fluid moveset perhaps similar to the aquamarine daggers moveset

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For powerstancing these i always run Rogiers in the main hand. The R2 of Rogiers is two quick stabs that comes out faster than a regular R1, and can be used at the end of any attack. A good example is a rolling powerstance L1 usually has a half second delay before you can attack again, but Rogiers R2 will activate immediately.

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what does lionel use?

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Dual wielding thrusting swords gives you an amazing moveset that can constantly put pressure on opponents if you have the stamina for it.

Its a never ending shredfest.

Throw in status effects and you can go deep into the cancerous end, I personally avoid doing it since I’m wrecking opponents already with dual physical estocs.

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No int, faith or arcane weapons in this category? A little underwhelming, tbh. Is that really all?

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Bug while powerstancing two thrusting swords, if you do the rolling attack and don't move after the roll, you will be unable to attack for about a whole second, but simply moving a little after the roll avoids this. Been happening on and off for my playthrough and finally pinned down what it was.

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To be honest I would rather have a change some straight and great swords to pure dex/str and thrusting swords to int weapon instead

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all these pokers, and estoc is still bestoc...

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digger vs raper for ripost?

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You can apply the Parry weapon art on rapiers but its just the hand parry animation instead of the rapier-twirl parry from the previous games

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Glad to see they really tried variety with this one

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Really wish there was more rapier with a moveset like the reiterpallasch or church pick, they are more than thrusting weapons or the fencing sword why hasn't the movesets been innovative yet

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Why do all thrusting swords' regular attacks have regular damage type? Only spears and lances have pierce damage for all attacks

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i noticed that offhand thrusting swords are slightly faster than in your main hand, doesnt matter what thrusting sword too

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I powerstance the Antspur Rapier along with the Frozen Needle, and I gave the antspur rapier the poisonous mist ash of war but with a bleed infusion so now I can inflict, bleed, poison, scarlet rot and frostbite all at the same time with L1s and I even have a long range attack thanks to the frozen needle's special R2, on PVP people really get tilted (to say the least) when they see 4 status ailments being inflicted at the same time, I've even received my fair share of hate messages, still just wanted to share the build, it's fun for me and I now it will be for others too, just expect some insults to your dear mother now and then when using it.

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Is power stancing them slightly bugged for other people too?
Roling L1 into L1 doesnt work at all for me. The character just doesnt respond until the animation has finished this slow floating back into default posture. 2 seconds lost.
I thought it was a feature, but with other weapon classes it works just fine, as does roling L1 into any other action.

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There isnt a single rapier with faith scaling? Thats kinda... disappointing.

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I'm confused by the ratings for "best (weapon type)" I keep seeing. The Noble Estoc seems to have better scaling. Rogier's rapier has higher base damage, and similar scaling to Estoc. Somebody help me out? What makes Estoc #1 apart from nostalgia?

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Its worth mentioning that you can block and attack at the same time with these swords

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Using this with the “Blood Tax” ash of war and Hoslow’s Set (minus the helmet) for my vampire noble RP build :D

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I found another rapier-like weapon. It's called "Great épée".
I'm sorry but I don't know where I found it. May be a loot from a mob, but I don't recall enemies using rapiers. Maybe red-hooded guards from Stormveil ?
I can tell it's def. in Limgrave or in Stormveil castle. Except for a couple of random teleports, I've never ventured out of the main area, I'm still lvl 27.
I still cannot use it since my build is Dex/Int and it requires STR 15 [D]
(I have STR 13, and growing it just to use this weapon) and DEX 16 [D]
Impaling Thrust; 124 base dmg + 49 on my DEX 18
My Estoc +4: 131 + 24
All things considered, this looks just better on paper.
I suppose we'll see.

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Why is Frozen Needle listed as best while Noble's Estoc has more dmg, same ash of war, easier upgrade (ordinary stones) and betted scaling?

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Anyone know if the spiral rapier from the Second Church of Marika is in the game?

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Found the Bloody Helice thrusting sword. Its inside the chest past the boss room in the Writheblood Ruins. You can find this place by following the road after the Road of Iniquity Side Path site of grace. Its near the windmill village site of grace.

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The Estoc is still the Bestoc

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You get Rogiers Rapier +8 if you talk to him after killing Godwyn at the Table of Lost Grace

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you can get rogier's keen rapier from him when he's at the roundtable

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Didn't see it posted yet. Found a Noble's Estoc. Same move set as the estoc but appears slightly shorter. 3.5 weight. Req 9 str & 10 Dex. Says "Daubed with gold from tip to tail, it should fetch a good sum" I think it was a loot drop and not a designated pick up. Cheers!

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