Lore in Elden Ring covers all the information related to the world and mythos of the game. From past events that occurred long ago, to the history of the Lands Between and the mystery of the elusive Elden Ring, all can be found here. Please note that this page contains heavy spoilers.
- The Mythos of Elden Ring was written by George R. R. Martin. Mythos refers to the overall narrative theme or plot structure. It can also be interpreted as a belief system.
- The Story of Elden Ring was written by Hidetaka Miyazaki and his team at FromSoftware
- The Lore and Story of Elden Ring are told in a similar manner to other FromSofware "Souls" games, so players should expect to find plenty left to interpretation as well as seemingly contradictory statements about various game characters, elements, and concepts.
- Visit Sword Monuments for flavor text found on sword-like structures around the Lands Between
- Visit Timeline of Lands Between history for a community-made timeline of the historical events in the Lands Between
Elden Ring Lore
Overview ♦ Location Lore ♦ Character Lore ♦ Major Events ♦ List of Deities ♦ List of Enemies ♦ Factions ♦ Lore Theories ♦ Sword Monuments
Elden Ring Lore Overview
The storyteller folds her slender hands - both pairs - and speaks. “It happened an age ago. But when I recall, I see it true.” So begins the tale of the Shattering, a devastating war between the children of Marika, Demigods of the Lands Between. One grim night in the depths of winter, a flock of unknown assassins stole across the Lands Between.
In a coetaneous attack, this foul covenant snuffed out the lives of many of the God-Queen’s kin throughout the empire, too numerous and too scattered for her godly protection to save. The assassins’ targets were multifold, but none was as devastating a loss to the Eternal Queen as that of Godwyn the Golden. After his death, the Elden Ring was somehow shattered, and the order of the world broke with it.
Out of this chaos came war. Open, bitter war, pitting blood against blood and kin against kin. The conflict broke a vast and prosperous empire into brittle fragments. No single side could find enough purchase to maintain a decisive victory, even when fueled by the power of a Great Rune.
The battle of General Radahn against Malenia the Severed illustrated that neither strength nor skill alone would be enough to take control of the entirety of the lands Marika had united. And so, the Lands Between are no longer gripped by open war, but caught in an uneasy stalemate that seems impossible to resolve. “Unless of course,” the storyteller says, a coy smile on both her lips, “thou shouldst take the crown?”
Take a deeper dive into the carefully crafted mythology of George R.R. Martin – author of The New York Times best-selling fantasy series, A Song of Ice and Fire – and the world created by FromSoftware based on his work in this new trailer available here.
Transported to ages long ago, you will relive the Shattering, a war that brought darkness to the Lands Between, initiated by demigods’ hunger for power. You’ll fight alongside General Radahn and Malenia the Severed, but even these two undefeatable warriors couldn’t reunite a world so badly broken. There is only one hope left: the hope that a new Elden Lord will rise and lift the veil of shadows that has fallen over Marika’s domain.
The wait is almost over. Soon you’ll venture into the Lands Between and strive to become its Elden Lord. Stand ready, Tarnished, and prepare to claim what fate has promised you.
Story Trailer Transcript
It happened an age ago.
But when I recall, I see it true.
On a night of wint'ry fog.
The rune of death was stolen
And the demigods began to fall, starting with Godwyn the Golden.
Queen Marika was driven to the brink.
The Shattering ensued; a war that wrought only darkness.
The Elden Ring was broken, but by whom? And why?
What could the Demigods ever hope to win by warring?
The conqueror of the stars, General Radahn.
And the Blade of Miquella, Malenia the Severed.
These two were the mightiest to remain, and locked horns in combat.
But there would be no victor.
And so, we inhabit a fractured world.
Awaiting the arrival of the Elden Lord.
Unless of course, thou shouldst take the crown?
Prologue Text
The Golden Order has been broken.
Rise, Tarnished, and be guided by grace to brandish the power of the Elden Ring and become an Elden Lord in the Lands Between.
In the Lands Between ruled by Queen Marika the Eternal, the Elden Ring, the source of the Erdtree, has been shattered.
Marika's offspring, demigods all, claimed the shards of the Elden Ring known as the Great Runes, and the mad taint of their newfound strength triggered a war: The Shattering. A war that meant abandonment by the Greater Will.
And now the guidance of grace will be brought to the Tarnished who were spurned by the grace of gold and exiled from the Lands Between. Ye dead who yet live, your grace long lost, follow the path to the Lands Between beyond the foggy sea to stand before the Elden Ring.
And become the Elden Lord.
Gameplay Trailer Transcript
The Tarnished will soon return.
Guided by Grace once lost.
The Golden Order is broken to its core.
Foul Tarnished... in search of the Elden Ring.
Emboldened by the flame of ambition.
Someone must extinguish thy flame.
They will fight. And they will die. In an unending curse
For how else is a Champion, or a Lord, to be born?
... Well. A lowly Tarnished, playing as a Lord.
I command thee, knee!
Brandish the Elden Ring ... for all of us.
Alternate Prologue Text
Tarnished of the Lands Between
The Golden Order has been shattered. Throughout the Lands Between, Demigods holding shards of the Elden Ring squabble and make war over the ruins of a perfect realm, now abandoned by the golden guidance of the Greater Will.
As the echoes of this coTnflict[SIC] thunder in the distance, an outcast arrives. Once, their ancestors called the Lands Between home, but the blessed light of grace was lost to their tribe long ago and they were expelled from the kingdom. They are the Tarnished, and they have returned to claim the Elden Lordship promised to them by legend.
This is the world of ELDEN RING. As a Tarnished, the Lands Between await your exploration. You will ride through the vast fields, gallop over rolling hills, and leap to the top of rocky crags on your ephemeral steed, revealing a world teeming with life and danger.
In the grand fields where your journey begins, mythic creatures prowl the veldts, ineffable horrors lurk in the bogs and marshes, and all manner of soldiers and itinerant warriors are waiting for those who wander unawares. Shy creatures nibble on sweet grasses or scuttle through the underbrush.
Those few inhabitants who are not mad or hostile linger near the broken remnants of cities left behind by the Shattering. They may have answers for you, if you help them. Above them all, ensconced in vast legacies bristling with traps, secrets, and guardians, the Demigods – warped Lords who began as members of a royal and noble family – rule their domains with the unyielding power granted by shards of the Elden Ring.
Extended Prologue Text
The guidance of lost graces – should you find them - will put you on a road to re-take these lands from the Demigods through might and magic, but you need not follow their path.
The choice is yours. Do you crave power, or do you seek understanding? Decide for yourself, then build your character as you see fit.
Try dozens of skills and find one to best suit your style. Practice stealth to avoid danger or catch enemies unaware. Use the environment, the weather, and the time of day to gain an advantage. Learn the art of combat , where you must read your enemy’s intentions and a well-timed dodge or parry could be the difference between life and death. Ride your steed into battle against mounted mercenaries and cut them from their horses. Master arcane spells from the masters that still linger among the ruins of the war. Summon familiar spirits to even the odds against you or call on your fellow Tarnished to fight at your side and share the burden as you explore. Or, delve into the complex, bloody history of the Shattering and discover the lost secrets of the Demigods and their kin. All these paths are possible, and more. Ultimately, your journey will be defined by the strength of your own ambition. The greater your goals, the greater the challenge will be. Should you choose to claim the Lands Between as your birthright then yes, you must fight.
And yes, you may die.
But you will return to fight again.
For that is how a champion – or a Lord – is born.
Elden Ring Location Lore
The Lands Between
The Lands Between is the world of Elden Ring, and those who live in The Lands Between were blessed by Grace through the Elden Ring and the Erdtree. Those who were blessed by the Elden Ring are characterized by having a golden aura that can be seen in their eyes. However, at some point, some of those who were blessed lost their grace; they were exiled and labeled the Tarnished. As time passed, for unknown reasons, the Elden Ring was shattered and its shards were scattered across the Lands Between. The largest of these pieces were called Great Runes and were claimed by the six Demigod children of Queen Marika the Eternal, causing them to inherit different powers and have been physically changed and twisted due to being corrupted by the power of these runes.
The Lands Between is divided into 7 distinct areas,
- Limgrave
- Caelid
- Liurnia of the Lakes
- Altus Plateau
- Mt. Gelmir
- Mountaintops of the Giants
- The River Kingdoms (underground)
Each overseen by a Demigod, and features a central "overworld" that connects all of these areas. According to an interview with Miyazaki, players will have total freedom as to the order they want to tackle for each area, and it is up to the player on how they want to approach it. The hub area similar to Firelink Shrine or Majula in previous games will not be accessible at the beginning of the game, which means you will need to progress the game until you reach the hub area.
According to Hidetaka Miyazaki: "The Lands Between is supposed to invoke this feeling of something that's very mysterious and very ethereal – and we hope that when players play the game, they're going to experience that."
Elden Ring Character Lore
The Tarnished
In the opening of the official reveal trailer that was presented in E3 2021, we see a softly spoken, hooded woman saying "The Tarnished, will soon return." The question is, who and what is The Tarnished? Simply put, you are the Tarnished. As the player, you are one of the Tarnished that have been exiled upon losing their blessing of Grace granted by the Elden Ring and the Erdtree, a tree that hosts source and life of The Lands Between. Very much like previous Souls games, where you are the Chosen Undead or the Ashen One. After the shattering of the Elden Ring, you are then called back by this lost Grace to The Lands Between, along with other Tarnished to recover the shards of the Elden Ring, to make them whole once again, and to become the Elden Lord of The Lands Between.
According to Hidetaka Miyazaki in an interview: " I feel like one of the main themes of the game is how the player, the Tarnished, approaches or treats this new-found grace and this return to the land that they were once banished from, how they interpret this and the meaning. It's not just the player-character, of course, it's lots of characters in the game, who are all beckoned back and will have their own adventures and motives. We want the player to discover for themselves what that means and how they want to begin their adventure."
One of the first people the Tarnished encounters on their journey, Melina maintains an air of mystery throughout the game. She does not have a physical form and acts as the Tarnished's Finger Maiden in exchange for taking her to the Erdtree, then later on, to the Mountaintops of the Giants. She approaches the Tarnished to aid her in her search for her purpose given to her by her mother, who she believes can be found at the base of the Erdtree, leading many to speculate that her mother is Marika. When summoned, she wields the Blade of Calling, a dagger that was previously owned by the kindling maiden, fitting considering her role as kindling when the Erdtree is burnt down. Speaking with Melina at various Sites of Grace reveals her ability to recall echoes of Queen Marika's past actions and words, which she offers in lieu of a "maiden's guidance".
Melina holds contempt for the Frenzied Flame and believes that whoever lords over the chaos and damage it brings is no Lord at all. If the Tarnished takes the Frenzied Flame before the event at the Forge of the Giants, she will leave them and will threaten to deliver them Destined Death once they become Lord of the Frenzied Flame.
The White Masks encountered in Mohgwyn Palace were initially abducted by Mogh, Lord of Blood and turned into Bloody Fingers through an unknown ritual involving Mogh's accursed Omen blood. Of the four White Masks the Tarnished encounters in game, only Varre was able to withstand and tame the accursed blood. Despite being abducted by the Lord of Blood, he remains loyal to the Mohgwyn Dynasty and tries to indoctrinate the Tarnished into the dynasty. Even as he is dying at the at the end of his questline, forsaken by his Lord, he calls out to Mohg and blesses the Mohgwyn Dynasty.
A samurai from the Land of Reeds whose purpose is to hunt down Bloody Fingers. His biggest target is Eleonora, Violet Bloody Finger, a Tarnished whom he holds in high regard. It is uncertain what exactly caused Eleonora's corruption into a Bloody Finger - Yura himself warns the Tarnished against the dangers of Dragon Communion, stating that those who partake in it one day lose their humanity. On the other hand, other Bloody Fingers the Tarnished encounter, some of which are Yura's targets, are those that have been approached and swayed by Mohg, the Lord of Blood himself.
A Tarnished that, despite his easy-going nature, is said to be a wise and powerful sorcerer by his old travelling companion, D. Rogier was once a scholar seeking the truth behind the Night of the Black Knives. His scholarly pursuits eventually brought him under Stormveil Castle, where he found and disturbed a corpse, causing him to be afflicted with Death. As opposed to D who sees Those Who Live in Death as a threat against the Golden Order, Rogier is empathetic towards them, believing them to have committed no offence. By finishing Rogier's quest, the Tarnished is able to help him reveal many insights about the night of the assassination before he finally succumbs to his affliction.
A Tarnished Deathbed Companion driven from her home when awoken by the guidance of grace. Fia describes a Deathbed Companion as a person who receives warmth and life from numerous champions, and then lays with the remains of an exalted noble to revive them, an act she says is revered in her homeland. She is empathetic towards Those Who Live in Death and put it upon herself to be their guardian.
Before meeting her at Deeproot Depths, the Tarnished will encounter her champions - one of which is Rogier, and another who is Lionel the Lionhearted, a knight Fia met on her journey to the Lands Between who declared being her father. After bringing together Ranni's half of the Cursemark of Death from the Divine Tower of Liurnia and Godwyn's half from D, she implies that being Godwyn's Deathbed Companion will have him be reborn as a rune representing Those Who Live in Death - the Mending Rune of the Death-Prince.
A devout follower of the Golden Order, D hunts Those Who Live in Death, most notably Tibia Mariners for their Deathroot. He has a twin brother whose dialogue suggests his name is Darian. Despite having separate bodies and separate minds, the twins share the same soul and one cannot be conscious when the other is. Where other Orders would have seen them as cursed beings, the two twins found comfort in the Golden Order, the one Order that doesn't. D states that Those Who Live in Death go against the principles of the Golden Order, and so they must be exterminated.
D's Twin Brother, whose name is inferred to be Devin from D's voicelines. He can be found slumbering in the Siofra Aqueduct while D is alive, and in the same place grieving when D is dead. Despite not being able to talk and interact with one another, the two brothers seem to be close as he swears revenge against his brother's killer, whether it be Fia or the Tarnished, when given his brother's armor set.
A large beastman who hungers for Deathroot. Before meeting the Tarnished, D was in charge of hunting for and providing Gurranq with these Deathroot. It is heavily implied that the Beast Clergyman the Tarnished encounters in Crumbling Farum Azula is Gurranq himself as he recognises them if they have given him all 9 Deathroot. It is therefore also implied that Gurranq is Maliketh, the Black Blade.
Maliketh is Marika's Shadow bestowed upon her by the Greater Will as an Empyrean, like how Blaidd is to Ranni. According to the Stone of Gurranq, Maliketh was a ferocious warrior whose name meant 'Death of the Demigods'. He was ordered by Marika to lock away the Rune of Death, also referred to as Destined Death. However, a fragment of the rune was stolen and used in the Night of the Black Knives, leading to the death of the first demigod, Godwyn the Golden. To ensure the rune was never stolen again, Maliketh bound his sword, imbued with the Rune of Death, within his own body and changed his name. His Remembrance implies that he was betrayed by Marika, though in what exact matter is unknown.
A Tarnished driven away from her home across the sea. The cloak she wears implies that she used to be a member of royalty. At some point upon arriving at the Lands Between, she happened upon White Mask Varre, who gave her the same advice as he gives the Tarnished at the beginning of their journey - to seek Godrick and his Great Rune at Stormveil Castle. Upon arriving at Stormhill, the men escorting her were taken and sacrificed for grafting, leaving her in guilt about the fact that she's too afraid to join them.
She moves to the Roundtable Hold to find purpose after receiving the hopeful echoes of her men through the Chrysalids' Memento. Here, Smithing Master Hewg recognises her potential for spirit tuning through her eyes, and with a bit of encouragement from the Tarnished, trains her to be a skillful spirit tuner. The two become close, and even as the Roundtable Hold is burning down, she stays behind with him to repay his kindness.
A misbegotten chained and imprisoned at the Roundtable Hold. Here, he is tasked by Queen Marika to smith a weapon strong enough to kill a god, a task that he makes his life goal. Hewg strongly believes the Tarnished will be the one to become Elden Lord, and will say so before he completely loses his memory.
Adoptive daughter of Sir Gideon Ofnir. According to Gideon, he took her in when she lost the guidance of grace and became a Tarnished. Nepheli is a skilled warrior who believes in standing up and enacting justice for the weak and oppressed. She once believed that her adoptive father held the same beliefs, but after learning that he was the mastermind behind the attack on the Village of the Albinaurics, she loses faith in him. It is speculated that Nepheli has ties with the first Elden Lord, Godfrey, and therefore the Golden Lineage, as she bears the same last name as Hoarah Loux and as Kenneth Haight deems her worthy of taking up the mantle of leader of Limgrave.
A member of the Erdtree royalty, self-proclaimed rightful leader of Limgrave and owner of Fort Haight. Kenneth looks down on Godrick and deems him unworthy of ruling Limgrave for his cowardly actions during the Shattering, as well as not possessing the proper lineage required to rule. After taking back Fort Haight from Godrick's forces and seeing the state it's been left in, Kenneth laments that he doesn't have the authority to rule Limgrave and goes on to look for an eligible candidate, until he finally comes across Nepheli Loux.
The Gatekeeper of Stormveil Castle. Despite this, he informs the Tarnished of a safer side passage to allow them to enter the castle undetected. He can be caught sneaking and following the Tarnished around in the castle, and each time they are defeated, Gostoc steals a portion of the Golden Runes they drop. It seems he does this with each Tarnished that comes to Stormveil Castle to challenge the shardbearer.
Gostoc holds contempt for the master of the castle, Godrick, having been mistreated and looked down upon by him. Much of Gostoc's dialogue reveals that he longs for freedom from his master and duties. However, when Nepheli takes the throne, he is happy to return to his duties.
A demi-human outcast often picked on for his looks. He looks up to his late mother, who was a skilled seamstress and one of few the few people who cared for him. Boc was kicked out of his former home in the Costal Cave and had his possessions stolen by the other demi-humans. After the Tarnished helps him take back his prized Sewing Needle and Tailoring Tools, he offers to tailor their armor as compensation.
Throughout his interactions with the Tarnished, Boc expresses unhappiness towards his looks. The Tarnished can either grant Boc a Larval Tear to help change his appearance or let him know he's accepted, both of which, though different in outcome, Boc is grateful for.
A cleric of the Golden Order. His armor implies that he once foretold an inauspicious prophecy, though of what exactly is unclear. Throughout his questline, Corhyn shows high and unwavering faith in the Golden Order. He is greatly interested in discovering the secrets of the Order, and so leaves the Roundtable in search for Goldmask, a great scholar of Golden Order fundamentalism.
After introducing him to Goldmask, Corhyn acts as Goldmask's scribe, translating and recording his various finger movements into written records. Corhyn holds Goldmask in high regard, but after learning of his reservations towards the Golden Order, Corhyn begins to question his master's intentions.
The ever brilliant Goldmask is a famed scholar of Golden Order fundamentalism and one of many Tarnished called back to the Lands Between after the Shattering. He doesn't speak and instead communicates through rhythmic hand and finger movements.
Goldmask once lamented that hunters of Those Who Live in Death had been reduced to fanatics of the Golden Order and hunted simply for the sake of having an evil to fight against. Throughout his questline, the Tarnished aids him in better understanding the Golden Order, most notably in the nature of Radagon, to correct the imperfections that lie within the Order. With the Mending Rune of Perfect Order, Goldmask concluded that the imperfections found were due to the very gods being just as fickle as ordinary men.
A Kindred of Rot disguised as an old sage and Millicent's caretaker as a child. It is uncertain what or where his real form is as he returns to his shack as he was before most times after being attacked.
After Malenia's Scarlet Aeonia bloomed in Caelid during the Shattering, Gowry dedicated his services to her, believing her to be the one to bring about a new order - the Order of Rot. In the swamp of Aeonia, he found Millicent, and presumably her sisters, as babies and proceeded to raise them, hoping that when Malenia one day ascended to be the Goddess of Rot, they too would be reborn as scarlet valkyries. Of all the sisters, Gowry saw the most potential in Millicent to follow in Malenia's footsteps.
At the end of Millicent's quest, Gowry asks the Tarnished to aid Millicent's sisters in attacking her. He believes that the betrayal she feels from the person she trusted the most will act as a catalyst for her to 'bloom'.
A daughter of Malenia, Millicent shares many striking similarities with her mother - bright red hair, a missing arm from her severe scarlet rot affliction, and skilled swordsmanship that resembles her mother's style. Due to the scarlet rot, though she feels a sense of familiarity within Gowry's Shack, Millicent does not remember her childhood with Gowry.
Upon being cured using the Unalloyed Golden Needle, Millicent sets out on a journey to seek Malenia. She hopes that she may be able to aid Malenia in resisting the call of the scarlet rot. Before she's able to reach the Empyrean, she is ambushed by her sisters at Elphael and possibly the Tarnished if they so choose. If the Tarnished defends her instead, Millicent reveals that she is aware of what Gowry hoped to she would bloom into. She removes the golden needle and succumbs to the scarlet rot, not wanting live as someone other than herself.
The blind daughter of Edgar, the Commander of Castle Morne. The Tarnished meets her after crossing the Bridge of Sacrifice to the Weeping Peninsula. With the help of her father and some attendants at the castle, she escaped Castle Morne after the Misbegotten serving under the castle rebelled. She cares much for her father and implores the Tarnished to deliver a letter persuading him to leave the castle.
Their reunion unfortunately never happens as she gets murdered. From the large sword left by her corpse, it is implied that an escaped Misbegotten from Castle Morne was her killer.
The Commander of Castle Morne, ordained by Godrick. He has a high sense of duty and stays behind to protect the castle's prized sword, the Grafted Blade Greatsword, even after the rest of the castle's attendants had fled from the Misbegotten rebellion. After finding Irina's body, he expresses regret over not protecting her and swears vengeance towards her killers.
Edgar can later be found at Revengers Shack as an invader. From the Shabriri Grape he drops, it is speculated that he succumbed to madness from Irina's death.
A blind young woman who resembles Irina. Despite being blind, Hyetta is able to perceive some form of light every time she consumes a Shabriri Grape. While at first she is disgusted by the fact the Shabriri Grapes are human eyes, she quickly comes to terms with it and affirms that it's required for her to become a finger maiden. It seems that the Tarnished is not the only person bringing her Shabriri Grapes. Hyetta mentions that other beings with trembling hands and emaciated fingers have given her the grapes before.
Successfully completing her quest and aiding her in becoming a Finger Maiden gives the Tarnished more information on the Three Fingers and the Frenzied Flame.
A mysterious figure who refers to himself as chaos incarnate. Shabriri inhabits Yura's body, who he claims willingly gave his body away. When the Tarnished meets him at the Mountaintops of the Giants, he tries to persuade them into becoming the Lord of Frenzied Flame and gives them information on the Frenzied Flame Proscription.
Shabriri was also the name of a man who previously had his eyes gouged out as punishment for his crime of slander. In time, his eyes were filled with the flame of frenzy. This, according to the Howl of Shabriri, was the first instance of the maddening sickness of frenzy in the Lands Between.
The daughter of Rennala and Radagon. She took after her mother and discovered her own full moon - Ranni's Dark Moon - and learnt cold sorceries from the mysterious Snow Witch she encountered deep in the woods. It seems that since childhood, she's held Blaidd and Iji dearly. At some point, Ranni defeated the Glinstone Dragon, Adula, who then swore their allegiance to her.
Although she wasn't born a demigod, Radagon's unity with Marika made her eligible to be an Empyrean. Despite this, Ranni did not want to be controlled by the Two Fingers and rejected her fate. In an act of rebellion, Ranni masterminded the Night of the Black Knives, stealing the Rune of Death and imbuing its power in the knives of the Black Knife Assassins. On the night of the assassination, Ranni's body died and her soul was transferred into a doll reminiscent of her old master, Renna, the Snow Witch.
The half-wolven Shadow of Ranni, granted to her by the Two Fingers when she became an Empyrean. Despite being an agent of the Two Fingers, his loyalties lie only with Ranni, who he considers as family. The sword he carries, the Royal Greatsword, was imbued with cold magic as proof of his loyalty.
If an Empyrean were to go against the will of the Two Fingers, their Shadow would go mad and oppose them. Though this was the fate he would eventually face, even in madness, Blaidd continued to defy his fate and remain faithful to Ranni.
The only friendly Troll the Tarnished encounters on their journey. Iji has two roles within the Carian royal family. He is the royal family's blacksmith. According to Jerren, the blades smithed by Iji were blunt, but were able to resist decay when faced against scarlet rot.
Iji also acts as Ranni's war counselor, providing her and those under her with guidance on the lost city of Nokron. He cares very much for both Blaidd and Ranni and has watched over them since they were children. Despite being loyal towards Ranni, Iji's Mirrorhelm seems to imply that he feared the consequence of his treachery against the Greater Will.
A magic preceptor in service to the Carian Royal family, currently aiding Ranni in her search for the dark path. Seluvis helped Sellen in some way when she was initially exiled from the academy, though she doesn't seem too fond of him when brought up.
Though prickly at first, if the Tarnished discovers his puppet collection and aids him in adding to it, he reveals his scheme to betray Ranni and add her, a demigod, to his collection. It is speculated that Seluvis and Pidia have a connection due to both their affinities towards puppets.
One of the numerous nomadic merchants the Tarnished can buy wares off of. He is acquainted with Blaidd, who refers to him as a busybody. The nomads used to prosper as a group known as the Great Caravan. They were however accused of heresy and were cast deep underground to be buried alive. There, they summoned the flame of frenzy. Kale describes the nomadic clan as spiteful, and so it is presumed that their summoning ritual was done out of spite. The note on the Lord of Frenzied Flame implies that the nomads came to worship the frenzied flame.
This is further substantiated by pieces of Kale's cut quest that community members have been able to find. In this piece of cut content, the Tarnished would have aided Kale in discovering what happened to the Great Caravan. This would have led them to the Subterranean Shunning-Grounds, more specifically to the Frenzied Flame Proscription. He would comment on the bodies of the nomad clan found on the way to the underground area - 'sick', 'maddened', 'husks of themselves', 'hardly human anymore'. He finds out that his people were falsely accused of worshipping the Three Fingers and summoning the frenzied flame into the Lands Between. This fills him with spite towards the Greater Will and the Golden Order. He would have refused further trade with the Tarnished until they inherited the frenzied flame, after which he too would try to be granted an audience with the Three Fingers.
Initially a nomadic wanderer, Jerren happened upon being a guest to the Carian royal family. During his time with the royal family, he was able to get acquainted with it's various members, notably Ranni, Iji, and Radahn. With the former two, he made a promise to slay a longstanding enemy of the Carian family, the Graven Witch Sellen, who had committed atrocities against many of her fellow sorcerers.
Before he got to fulfill that promise, General Radahn recruited him into his army as a guest commander during the Shattering. He is an excellent swordsman and the Flamberge he wields is one of the symbols of Redmane Castle. When the Tarnished first meets him, he heralds the beginning of the war festival.
Sellen was said to be one of the most promising sorcerers in the history of the Raya Lucaria Academy. Scholars whose studies were deemed worthy received a glintstone crown, with Sellen having a unique one from other scholars the Tarnished encounters at the academy. However, she was exiled from the academy for her obsession and forbidden pursuit of the primeval current.
While not specified in-game, there are two speculated reasons that pursuing the primeval current is prohibited at the academy. One being the dangers it brought to the sorcerer pursuing it. During her quest, Sellen mentions two other primeval sorcerers, Master Lusat and Master Azur, both of which were masters of glintstone sorcery banished from the academy. Based on the sorceries each of them gives the player, their minds were broken simply by taking a glimpse into the primeval current.
It is also speculated that it is forbidden due to requiring human sacrifices. According to Jerren, Sellen has killed many of her fellow sorcerers in her studies. The Graven-School Talisman notes that fashioning the bodies of sorcerers into 'seeds of stars' is one method of pursing the primeval current.
Because of her scholarly pursuits, Sellen was imprisoned in Witchbane Ruins by the academy and the Carian Royal Family. If the Tarnished chooses to aid in her quest however, they can help her inhabit a new unshackled body by transplanting her primeval glintstone, which is essentially her soul, into another compatible body.
A glintstone sorcerer from the Academy of Raya Lucaria. Thops was looked down upon by his fellow scholars and nicknamed Thops the Bluntstone for not having enough talent to cast powerful sorceries. Despite this animosity, he longs to return to the academy to finish his studies.
If the Tarnished chooses to aid him in his quest, he is able to complete his lifelong project. He creates the spell Thops's Barrier - a uniquely defensive glintstone sorcery able to deflect both sorceries and incantations back at its caster, a spell that is worthy of its own conspectus.
A large turtle and steward of the Church of Vows. Miriel is a peaceful soul who teaches the Tarnished about Absolution, though he himself does not require it if they attack him. He is well-versed in the history of Rennala and Radagon's union and is able to teach the Tarnished all manner of sorceries and incantations. As opposed to Corhyn who deems incantations not related to the Golden Order as heresy, Miriel is open-minded towards each of the sorcery and incantation scrolls the Tarnished gives him.
A first generation Albinauric. The first generation of Albinaurics were created with defects in their legs, causing them to not be able to walk. According to Albus, when their legs fade, so too will their life.
The Tarnished finds him disguised as a pot to escape from Gideon's subordinates attacking the Village of the Albinaurics. He safeguards the right half of the Haligtree Secret Medallion, a medallion that is said to be key to reaching the promised land of the Albinaurics - Miquella's Haligtree.
A first-generation Albinauric and one of many wolf-riding Albinauric archers. She was interrogated by an agent of Sir Gideon Ofnir (or possibly the man himself) about the second half of the Haligtree Secret Medallion, leading to the death of her faithful wolf, Lobo.
If the Tarnished approaches her with the right half of the medallion, Latenna asks them to take her to Apostate Derelict in exchange for the whereabouts of the left half of the secret medallion. Upon arriving at their destination, Latenna transfers a birthing droplet to a large Albinauric called Phillia. While it is unclear what exact purpose the droplet has, Latenna mentions that is has something to do with creating life for the Albinaurics.
Sir Gideon Ofnir's silent right-hand man. The nature of his existence is obscure, however, his armor set, the Royal Remains Set, and weapon, the Clinging Bone, seem to suggest that Ensha is the reanimated remains of a king referred to as the Soulless King.
From Gideon's dialogue, it is speculated that Ensha was tasked with finding both halves of the Haligtree Secret Medallion and that he attacks the Tarnished at the Roundtable Hold to take the half that they have found.
Consort to Lord Rykard and adoptive mother of Rya. Tanith worked as a dancer in an unnamed foreign land until she caught Rykard's eye and became his consort. When he swore himself to blasphemy and became one with the God-Devouring Serpent, even after his men turned against him, even after she was given the Tonic of Forgetfulness as an out, she continued to stayed by his side.
Now, she is the Lady of the Volcano Manor, recruiting Tarnished who were willing to rise against the Greater Will and become recusants. Those who proved themselves worthy were granted an audience by the Lord, where they were devoured and became part of the Volcano Manor family.
The Tarnished can first meet this Ash of War teacher in Stormhill. Bernahl was said to be a Tarnished worthy of becoming Elden Lord, carrying out his destined path without doubt, until his maiden threw herself into 'the fire'. There are a few speculations as to what this might mean, with some speculating her to have succumbed to the flame of frenzy, and others speculating that similar to Melina, she was thrown into the Forge of the Giants as kindling for burning the Erdtree.
The Tarnished can later find him as a recusant at the Volcano Manor. After defeating Rykard, Bernahl denounces the Greater Will and vows to fell them on behalf of his brother.
Rya, whose real name is Zorayas, is a Man-Serpent disguised as a human and the scout for the Volcano Manor. Only the Tarnished and her adoptive mother, Tanith, knows of her true form. She holds great regard for Tanith, and strongly believes in her work and the endeavors of the Volcano Manor.
Her quest involves her finding the truth behind her origins. She was told by Tanith that she was born by the grace of a great king. However, she notices that the Volcano Manor isn't all that it seems and eventually confronts Tanith about the secrets of the manor and other secrets she's been keeping from her. The talisman she leaves behind at the end of her quest seems to suggest her mother was Daedicar, a woman who was said to have birthed multiple grotesque children as a result of committing countless acts of adultery.
Patches the Untethered is a bandit who tricks unsuspecting people into various death traps and entrapment schemes. If the Tarnished spares him, he will sell them various goods that he presumably from the corpses of those he successfully tricked. He mentions that his band of bandits comprise of foot soldiers and survivors of defeated armies who were left to fend for themselves.
Patches' Emporium can be accessed when reaching Volcano Manor. It seems that he has taken a liking to Tanith, who he endangers himself to obtain the Dancer's Castanets for, an item he hopes will put her back to her right mind after Rykard's defeat.
The youngest son of House Hoslow, Diallos lives in the shadow of his elder brother, Juno Hoslow. As opposed to Juno who is a formidable fighter, Diallos was all bark but no bite, unbefitting for a family whose motto revolves around bloodshed. Despite this, the two brothers care for each other very much, with Juno using his position to dote on Diallos, and with Diallos looking up to Juno as a role model.
A young jar living in Jarburg, a secret village of peaceful Living Jars. Jar-Bairn is one of the few living Jars capable of speaking to the Tarnished and is a warrior jar like his uncle Alexander. The Tarnished may find Jar-Bairn talking in his sleep, where he dreams about reuniting with Alexander and telling him he's a warrior jar too, poachers destroying the Living Pots at Jarburg, or later Diallos taking care of him.
Living Jar Shards contain traces of magical power and therefore fetch a high price, leading to Living Jars being a prize target for poachers. The only known item crafted with these shards is the Ironjar Aromatic, a forbidden defense-boosting consumable created by Depraved Perfumers.
An older Living Jar that left his home of Jarburg to seek great battle and hone his combat skills. Alexander is a warrior jar, Living Jars filled with the remains of warriors. According to him and Jar-Bairn, warrior jars are destined to leave their home and set out on journeys alone to become great champions. Though not explicitly explained, it seems as though warrior jars are able to absorb the essence of the fallen warriors they consume and by doing so, can also pick up some of their martial prowess.
A Tarnished and former criminal selling boiled prawns and crabs at the Boilprawn Shack, and later just outside the royal capital. It is possible that Boggart was previously convicted for thievery, as he'd stolen Rya's necklace when the Tarnished meets him. He used to be cellmates with Dung Eater, where he witnessed the latter defile the body of his friend with the Seedbed Curse. It was the most harrowing experience Boggart had ever had.
A Tarnished who, as his armor suggests, bears the heart of an Omen. Even before being brought back to the Lands Between, the Dung Eater was a merciless killer. He would defile the corpses of those he killed with Seedbed Curses and curse their soul to never be able to return to the Erdtree. His biggest aspiration is to defile and curse not only everyone in the Lands Between, but all future generations, a dream that can be realized by aiding him in gestating the Mending Rune of the Fell Curse.
A Finger Reader Crone the Tarnished encounters at the Roundtable Hold. The finger readers are interpreters for the Two Fingers, sharing the wisdom of the Greater Will to the inhabitants of the Lands Between. With the exception of Enia, the finger readers the Tarnished encounters seem to be frantic from the loss of their Two Fingers. Despite being an agent of the Greater Will, she is supportive of you burning down the Erdtree when her Two Fingers stop communicating with her.
She claims that before the Tarnished, another had gathered 2 Great Runes. It is speculated that this person is either Bernahl, whose armor suggest that he was worthy of becoming a Lord, or Vyke, who was said to be the closest who ever got to becoming Elden Lord before he suddenly sought out the Frenzied Flame.
List of Elden Ring Gods, Demigods & Lords
Queen Marika, the Eternal is a Numen chosen and brought from her homeland to the Lands Between by the Greater Will to be their vassal. As an Empyrean, she was gifted Maliketh as a Shadow and half-brother, whom she entrusted the Rune of Death to when the Golden Order was established. She had two consorts during her reign, the first being Godfrey. They had three children together, Godwyn the Golden, and the Omen twins, Morgott and Mohg.
To spread the influence of the Golden Order, Marika and her followers, on behalf of the Greater Will, waged wars against several factions and gods in the lands between, the most notable ones being the Storm Lord, the fire giants and their god, the One-Eyed God, and the Academy of Raya Lucaria and the Carian royal family. While it is unclear which side instigated the war, there were also wars against the Dragons and the Godskin Apostles and their god, the Gloam-Eyed Queen.
Though the war against the Giants ended in their favor, Marika realized that she would be unable to extinguish the flame at the Forge of the Giants, the fabled 'flame of ruin' strong enough to burn the Erdtree, and thus cursed the final Fire Giant survivor to protect the forge for all eternity. When the last war was finally over, Marika took the the blessing of grace from Godfrey and his warriors, turning them into Tarnished, and exiled them from the Lands Between. It was then that she took Radagon to be her second consort, and had the twins Miquella and Malenia.
At some point, Marika started to harbor doubts towards the Greater Will and the Golden Order. It is speculated that she had a hand in the Night of the Black Knives due to her rumored connection with the Black Knife Assassins. Marika's final act of rebellion against the Greater Will was the shattering of the Elden Ring, an act that caused her imprisonment within the Erdtree and the war between the demigods.
Radagon, characterized by his flowing red locks, is Queen Marika's second chosen consort and a great warrior. His early life and how he came to be a prominent figure in the Golden Order remain a mystery. There is speculation that he may be a smaller-sized Fire Giant from the descriptions of the Sword of Milos and Giant's Red Braid. Another running theory is that he was cursed to have red hair by the Fire Giants as a result of the Golden Order's war with them. Either way, Radagon was said to have hated the red-tint of his hair.
In the war against Liurnia of the Lakes and it's inhabitants, he was tasked by Marika to lead the Erdtree's armies. The sword monuments the Tarnished can find in Liurnia suggest that there were two Liurnian Wars, and that it was after the second war that Radagon and Rennala fell in love. Radagon sought absolution at the Church of Vows using Celestial Dew, and the two were bonded by marriage, uniting the Capital of Leyndell and Academy of Raya Lucaria. The Glintstone Kris is one of the symbols of the unity of the two factions.
As is tradition, Rennala bestowed a Moon Greatsword onto Radagon, her spouse. They bore 3 children - General Radahn, Praetor Rykard, and Lunar Princess Ranni. However, much to Rennala's dismay, Radagon gifted her an Amber Egg and left her to join Marika's side when Godfrey and his fellow Tarnished were exiled from the Lands Between. They had the twin demigods, Miquella and Malenia, and he reforged his Moon Greatsword into the Golden Order Greatsword. A speculated explanation for the requirement of both Faith and Intelligence in casting Golden Order Incantations is due to Radagon having learnt sorceries while Rennala's consort and incantations when consort to Queen Marika.
It is revealed by a statue in the Royal Capital that Marika and Radagon are one and the same. It is unlcear whether they were always one, whether Radagon is a fragment of Marika, or as Melina's dialogue suggests, that they became one after becoming consorts. Despite being one and the same person, Marika and Radagon held different wills and when Marika shattered the Elden Ring, he used the same hammer she used to try to repair it.
The first consort to Queen Marika and the first Elden Lord. They had 3 children together - Godwyn the Golden, and the Omen twins, Morgott and Mohg. Godfrey was originally know as Hoarah Loux, a fierce warrior with a strong bloodlust and the chieftain of the badlands. Upon being selected as Marika's first consort, he took Beast Regent Serosh upon his back to quell his insatiable bloodlust and be more befitting of a Lord.
When the Golden Order was established, he was tasked with leading several wars to further the influence of the Order, including one against the Giants, as well as the Storm Lord, who he faced alone. It also seemed that during his reign, gladitorial combat in colosseums all over the Lands Between were commonplace as rituals held to honor the Erdtree. This practice died out when Radagon became Marika's next consort.
After Godfrey won his last campaign and there were no worthy opponents left to battle with, Marika took away the Erdtree's blessing from him and countless others, turning them into Tarnished, whom he led out of the Lands Between in a journey referred to as the Long March. His axe was broken in a battle during this time and after the journey ended, he reverted back to becoming a simple warrior, though still carrying Serosh on his back.
As a young astrologer, Rennala would always gaze up at the stars. After a chance encounter with the Full Moon, she learnt of its magic and became one of the most powerful glintstone sorcerers. Her new mastery over lunar magic bewitched the Academy of Raya Lucaria, allowing her to become head of the academy and the Glintstone Knights, as well as establish the Carian family as royalty.
During the Second Liurnian War, where the Golden Order waged territorial war against the Academy, Rennala met and fought against one of the Erdtree's champions, Radagon, where they fell in love and reconciled at the Church of Vows. As is tradition, Rennala bestowed upon her consort a Moon Greatsword, which was later reforged into the Golden Order Greatsword. Their union bore three children, Lunar Princess Ranni, General Radahn, and Praetor Rykard. One night, Rennala took Ranni out stargazing as she did in her childhood. This is what led to Ranni meeting her own moon, the Dark Moon.
When Godfrey was exiled from the Lands Between and Radagon returned to Marika's side, Rennala was devastated and grew weak. Her charm over the Academy fell as well, and its scholars rebelled against the Carian royal family, with the Cuckoo Knights launching an attack against Caria Manor and Rennala ending up being locked up in the Grand Library, where the Tarnished finds her cradling the Amber Egg given to her by Radagon as a parting gift.
Morgott is one of two Omen twins born of Queen Marika and Godfrey. The horns of an Omen were signifiers of the divine in the ages before the Erdtree, however after the establishment of the Golden Order, Omen were thought to be cursed beings without the guidance of grace. They had their horns cut off and were subject to slavery, but those born with royal blood were instead hidden from the world and shackled deep underneath Leyndell in the Subterranean Shunning-Grounds.
Despite being locked away and shunned, Morgott still loved the Order. During the Shattering, Leyndell was leaderless and defenseless. Knowing that Leyndell wouldn't accept an Omen as a leader, Morgott ruled the capital in the shadows as the Unveiled Monarch. During the Second Defense of Leyndell, he successfully defended the capital and the Erdtree from his fellow invading demigods. His dialogue suggests he attempted to claim the throne of the Elden Lord, but the Erdtree warded him off.
The Tarnished will first encounter Morgott under the pseudonym, Margit, preventing them from challenging Godrick in Stormveil Castle and obtaining one of many Great Runes required to enter the capital.
Son of Queen Marika and her first consort, Godfrey. Unlike his twin brother who distanced himself from his Omen nature, Mohg fully embraced his accursed Omen blood and traits. Like his brother, he was shackled deep within the Subterranean Shunning-Grounds. While imprisoned underground, he encountered the Formless Mother, an outer god like the Greater Will. This encounter caused his accursed omen blood to ignite, and gave him the ability to cast bloodflame incantations. Mohg used his spear, Mohgwyn's Sacred Spear, to further communicate with the Formless Mother.
At some point he managed to escape from the Subterranean Shunning-Grounds, and established the Mohgwyn Palace in a secluded part of the Siofra River. He recruited multiple people to become followers of the upcoming Mohgwyn Dynasty, offering deals to some, like Bloody Finger Okina, and kidnapping others, like the War Surgeons.
While he is not an Empyrean himself and thus unable to ascend to godhood, he hoped to claim the title of monarch by raising empyrean Miquella to full godhood and becoming his consort. Mohg stole the slumbering Miquella from inside the Haligtree and attempted to rouse him with his accursed blood. However, no matter how much blood he offered and how much he shared his bedchambers with the empyrean, Miquella never woke from his slumber.
Praetor Rykard, Lord of the Volcano Manor and a ruthless justiciar. He is the son of Rennala and Radagon and like his siblings, became a demigod after Radagon's unity with Queen Marika. Rykard presides over Mt. Gelmir and was served by the Gelmir Knights. The lava sorceries the Tarnished can learn were created by Rykard, with some being old hexes from Mt. Gelmir that he turned into practical sorceries. At some point, Rykard met Tanith in a foreign land and brought her back to the Lands Between to be his consort.
Rykard had a hand in the Night of the Black Knives, though to what extent is unclear. The Blasphemous Claw was an item rewarded by his sister Ranni allowing him to challenge Maliketh as a last resort. The description for the Taker's Cameo implies that Rykard believed that Marika and her Order ruled by force, and so he swore himself to blasphemy and sought to overthrow them, an ambition that drew many towards him.
The ancient people of Mt. Gelmir worshipped a powerful serpent god that they would offer up sacrifices to. Rykard one day encountered the God-Devouring Serpent and offered himself and his Great Rune up as sacrifices to grant himself immortality, allowing him to grow and devour people and gods alike for all eternity. This fall into greed and glutinous depravity caused most of his followers to turn against him, with Tanith being a notable exception. Those who were once Gelmir Knights sought out the Serpent-Hunter, a great spear designed to hunt the immortal serpent, to put an end to their Lord. They found the mythical weapon, but were unsuccessful in defeating Rykard, as evident from the corpses holding the Serpent-Hunter in his boss room.
When the Tarnished visits the Volcano Manor, they can find it's members following Rykard's blasphemous path. It is later revealed that those who proved themselves as recusants were granted an audience with Rykard and became part of the family - that is by being devoured by the great serpent himself.
Elden Ring Factions
Volcano Manor |
The Volcano Manor houses a group of Recusant Tarnished led by Praetor Rykard. Those in this faction seek to rebel against the Erdtree. Before being granted an audience with their Lord and becoming a part of the family, a newly recruited Tarnished must first invade their fellow Tarnished to prove their resolve. | |
Mohgwyn Dynsaty |
A faction led by Mohg, Lord of Blood. Similar to the Volcano Manor, those in service to the Mohgwyn Dynasty invade other Tarnished and renounce the Greater Will. Bloodshed is the only motive for invasion in this faction. You'll find the beginnings of the dynasty in Mohgwyn Palace. | |
Carian Royal Family |
The remaining members of this faction are Rennala, Ranni, and their trusted advisors. Though they once held power over the Academy of Raya Lucaria, Rennala's grief over Radagon's departure caused her to weaken and the academy's scholars to rebel. Now, serving the royal family means serving the last Carian princess, Ranni, in her mission to usurp the Two Fingers and Greater Will, and rebel against her fate as an Empyrean. |
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Those Who Live in Death |
Those Who Live in Death refer to the numerous undead plaguing the Lands Between. Their very existence defies the tenets of the prevalent Golden Order and so they live in persecution. Those in this faction are empathetic towards Those Who Live in Death and join them in awaiting the rise of their Lord, the first of the dead demigods, Godwyn, Prince of Death. |
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Golden Order |
The Golden Order, established by Queen Marika when brought to the Lands Between by the Greater Will, is the most dominant faction in the land. The tenets of this Order govern the rules and status quo to be practiced by it's followers, many of who follow blindly. However, after the Shattering and the recent departure of the Greater Will from the Lands Between, a few of its members are starting to question the infallibility of the Order. | |
Frenzied Flame |
A covert faction led by the Three Fingers. Similar to the Two Fingers, the Three Fingers are vassals for a different unknown Outer God. This outer god rejects the Greater Will and proclaims that all that is wrong with the Lands Between are due to their mistakes. Those in this faction await one who would take up the mantle of Lord of Chaos to burn the world down and melt all of its troubles away. |
Lore Theories of Elden Ring
This section is dedicated to speculative and theoretical content created by the Elden Ring community. The information therein may be based on in-game fact and real world myths, but all theory pieces are simply the interpretation of the user(s) that wrote them and not canon.
Some of the main questions posed by the lore of the Lands Between:
What is the timeline of the Lands Between? Has it been one fairly linear timeline, or is it in a constant state of cyclical flux?
- Is there one Erdtree that arose after the ages of the Giants and Dragons or have there been several cycles with different Erdtrees after intervening cycles of rule by the Giants, Dragons, Tarnished, etc.?
- Was there a war with the dragons both long ago and after the founding of the Golden Order and the defeat of the Giants, or does the ambiguous nature of their timeline reflect the special association between the Dragons and the storm outside of time?
- How do New Game Plus instances tie into the timeline? Are they a repeat cycle after your rule as Elden Lord and then another cycle of the Golden Order, or is it just a channel back in time to the beginning of the game?
What exactly is the Elden Ring?
- Is it a symbolic measure of power or dominance over the Erdtree specifically; a symbolic representation of any Outer God-level power that achieves dominance over the Lands Between; an actual artifact of power that becomes controlled by the Elden Lord; or perhaps a form assumed by the Elden Beast in order to effectuate the goals of the Greater Will?
- Why did Marika ultimately decide to shatter it after Godwyn's death? Was it in order to drive Godfrey out of the lands Between and initiate the Long March of the Tarnished?
What is Marika?
- Is Marika the Godhood vested into the Lands Between if the Elden Ring is created under the influence of the Greater Will or is she a specific entity within the most recent iterations of the Lands Between? In relation to the timeline questions posed above: is the world in endless cycles of domination by various Outer Gods who create a "Marika" as the assert their rule over the Lands Between; is it only whe the Greater Will dominates the Lands Between that a "Marika" is created; or did Marika come to the Lands Between one or two cycles before our Tarnished, get elevated to Godhood in conjunction with Godfrey, then ultimately break the ring?
- If Marika is a specific being rather than an element of the Golden Order or a symbol of the current Elden Ring, then how did Marika come to the Lands Between and why? Was she called from the lands of the Numen similar to how the Tarnished are recalled to the Lands Between (and if so by what), or did she come for some other reason? Was she associated with the Greater Will from the outset or did she become its ally for some reason?
- How did she become an Empyrean (as implied by Godfrey's ascension to Elden Lord upon their marriage) and/or why did the Two Fingers select her?
- What is the nature of the Radagon Marika dynamic?
- Is Radagon a separate being? If so, was Radagon born separate from Marika--either as her offspring with Godfrey or as a totally separate lineage--and then merged into Marika, or was he split off from Marika at some point in time and then either re-incorporated or co-imprisoned with her in the Erdtree? Does the red hair of the Giants imply that Radagon was split off from Marika as a result of the curse of the Giants? (which Radagon seems to be attempting to enforce against Marika based on his attempts to mend the Elden Ring and his defense of the Elden Beast within the Erdtree)?
- Or is Radagon simply another form assumed by Marika and why? In order to take action as something other than Marika or as a manifestation of an alternate personality?
- How many Outer Gods are there and how do they tie into the timeline questions posed above? How many Empyreans have there been, and what does this imply for the relationship between the Two Fingers and the Greater Will and/or other Outer Gods?
- What are the Two Fingers? Do the dead Two Fingers atop most of the Sacred Towers represent separate instances of a single Two Fingers that has left dead "clones" around the Lands Between or is each Two Fingers (and/or three fingers) an independent entity attempting to cultivate future cycles for the Elden Ring by selecting and guiding specific Empyreans and candidates for Elden Lord?
What is the Erdtree and why is its sap/amber so powerful? Why do all of the catacombs end in a room where bodies of the dead are being sucked into the roots and ember of (seemingly) the Erdtree?
- It is possible that the Golden Order is really nothing more than the Greater Will's diversion of the souls of the dead into the Erdtree, allowing the Will to effectively harvest the life-force of the Lands Between to power the domination of the Golden Order over Death itself.
Is Elden Ring Canon?
- Despite FromSoftwares declaring that Elden Ring is an independent title with an independent storyline, some players in the community believe Elden Ring was still made to be Canon. The idea that Elden Ring ties into the previous Souls games in some way or acts as a prequel is one of the theories brought forward in the community. This is particularly focused on the Frenzied Flame Ending since it represents a renewal and could lead to the events in Dark Souls after the Frenzied Flame weakens and The Undead gains access to it leading to the idea of the First Flame in Dark Souls.
What is the deal with the Night of Black Knives?
- Was the treachery that cause the subterranean kingdoms to be pushed underground the Night of Black Knives or was the Night of Black Knives a response to the destruction of their city by Astel? If the night is the treachery, then why did Nox initiate the plot in the first place? Did the experimentation with the Silver Tears pre-date or post-date the sinking event?
- Why was Ranni involved in the plot the Night of the Black Knives, and to what extent? Is she the mastermind behind the plot (as implied by Rogier) or did she merely perform the ritual to create the Black Knives? Is there some Carian connection to the Nox of Nokron and Nokstella? Have there been other attempts to overthrow the Golden Order, and if so how does this tie into the timeline questions above?
Ranni, Rennalla, Caria, and the Stars
- What is the deal with the puppets in the hidden basement behind the Carian Manor, where there are puppets of a Nox, an Omenkiller, Dolores the Sleeping Arrow, Finger Maiden Therolina, a Jarwright, and, hidden behind a wall, Sellen. Are these all Seluvis' puppets as implied by much of the lore associated with the puppet summons, but if so why would he put a sign up not to touch one in particular?
- Omenkiller may have been to frame Gideon Ofnir for the slaughter in the village of the Albinuriacs, which leads to Nephali becoming disillusioned and susceptible to the puppet potion. Is Pidia on a personal mission here (seems so because the puppet dropped by Pidia doesn't seem to affect any game outcome other than locking out Dung Eater or Nephali's quest lines, and only Dung Eater, an unintended target, locks out an ending) or is this part of some greater plan?
- Given the connection between Ranni, Seulvis, and Pidia have to the puppets, as well as the existence of several Nox puppets, did Ranni frame the Nox civilization for the Night of the Black Knives? If not, why does she want the Fingerslayer Blade recovered from Nokron? She doesn't seem to use it in the Age of Stars ending, so did she use it to kill the fingers creature we find at the cathedral of Manus Celes or something else? Note that Pidia is immediately killed by his soldier puppets, implying that Ranni killed something that was aiding Pidia/Seluvis, but why would the fingers be assisting those two?
- If they're all Seluvis's puppets, then what is the implication of finding out that Seluvis himself was a puppet? (Note that Seluvis collapses into the puppet pose once Pidia is killed after giving Ranni the Fingerslayer Blade.) Was he a puppet dominated by Pidia or was he controlled by his own disembodied form like Ranni?
- Ranni is also a puppet, so is she being controlled by her spirit (which we are told lived following her death on the night of the black knives) or is someone else masquerading as her? She seems to survive Pidia's death, so we can infer it wasn't him, but who then?
- If the puppets are to frame people (as potentially implied by Thops' disbelief that Sellen could have done the things the Graven Witch was accused of doing and the note about Seluvis' secret) then what are they trying to accomplish? Is that even right given the ending to Sellen's questline?
Here is a list of possible attempts to overthrow the Greater Will. Note that for the most part all of these are merely plausible theories and may or may not be proven in the future.
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Hewg the Blacksmith was assigned by Queen Marika to create a weapon that could slay "God" but was not able to do so in time:
"Queen Marika, please forgive me, I haven't made a weapon that could kill God yet" - Hewg the Blacksmith -
Nokron the Eternal City succeeded in creating the above mentioned weapon but was immediately accused of treason, resulting in its destruction and banishing below the earth.
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Marika "created" Melina and gave her the mission to burn down the Erdtree.
Melina got lost and forgot about her mission, wandering around the Lands Between in search for her purpose.
Me, I'm searching for my purpose given to me by my mother inside the Erdtree long ago, for the reason that I yet live, burned and bodyless." - Melina -
The Shattering of the Ring: It is suspected that Marika did not destroy the Elden Ring out of rage over Godwyn's death. It is possible that his death merely awakened her, barely giving back enough sanity to destroy the Elden Ring in an attempt to find the strongest of the champions for them to claim the power of the Great Runes and become Elden Lord (or at least free her from her suffering).
The war however, did not conclude in a winner as Radahn and Malenia proofed to be equal in strength. -
Marika used the last shimmer of grace to invite even the Tarnished to fight for the Great Runes and become Elden Lord, even granting them revival upon death (Or something like that? I mean we are still dying in the game).
The Greater Will is trying to hinder this plan by blocking the Tarnished with the roots of the Erdtree.
Whether this plan succeeds is up to the player to find out.
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The name of the Yelough Anix area in the Snowfield seemed too on-the-nose to literally mean "yellow onyx", but I looked into it and yellow onyx does indeed exist (it's a popular alternative to marble for countertops). Black onyx is what most people recognize as onyx, although it is exceedingly rare; Sardonyx is a somewhat less rare red-colored onyx, and alabaster is the name for white onyx. White, yellow, black, and red. We also see Onyx Lords and Alabaster Lords as the mostly unexplained rock-skinned elf people with gravity magic. Nothing in game alludes to sardonyx (yet), as far as I can see.
- Anonymous
I would like to see some sources, there's so much here that just reeks of head canons and fan fiction. So me the threads of logic of how you came to your conclusions with the ingame text to back it up. There's so many contradictions it's not even funny.
Marika gave the Tarnished the ability to revive as long as they have hope, a life goal, turning this game into Undertale
- Anonymous
The forces in Elden Ring's story redefine what is possible for the influence that a lore character can have, being in a fully fleshed out universe. I loved that in Dark Souls III you start to see a world crumbling near the end, like there's something greater at play. But with Elden Ring, there are basically no punches held in terms of grand proportion. The map, enemies and backstory are so huge and you feel so tiny, yet you're a tiny persistent lightning rod harnessing the power of the world. Love this game.
- Anonymous
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As is well known, Elden Ring is inspired in many ways by alchemy.
The pursuit of alchemical perfection involved four processes: albedo, citrinitas, nigredo, and rubedo. White, yellow, black, and red.
Flame is sacrilege to the Erdtree, and its use was forbidden by those sworn to it. Incidentally, there are four colored flames: white (ghostflame), yellow (frenzy), black (godslayer's black flame), and red (giant's flame).
A necessary plot point is burning the Erdtree with the giant's flame. Rubedo is supposedly the final process, which will complete the magnum opus. Goldmask goes to the mountaintop, and Corhyn asks "why would he think to breach this forbidden mount of fire?", and then as the Erdtree burns with the giant's flame, Corhyn calls it the very image of perfection, but cannot cope with its apparent destruction. Goldmask, meanwhile, had found Perfect Order.
Of course, that doesn't align much with the four flames. We have no choice to burn the tree with another flame, except frenzy, but only after the giants flame, and that's out of order. But it's something to chew on. Could just be allusive or evocative.
- Anonymous
Famitsu did a survey when the game released and apparently the number one reason people love Elden Ring is story and world-building. But whenever you praise FromSoftware's writing online, people are downright offended by the notion and insists it only has good gameplay. I wonder why that is?
- Anonymous
For the section on what the frenzied flame guys are wouldn't the three fingers be led by the Frenzied flame? It says that they are controlled by an unknown outer god and I don't know too much about the lore but I think that the frenzied flame is an outer god.
- Anonymous
A warrior who can't die comes to a dying kingdom filled with miserable NPCs and kills all the bosses to become the king and probably makes everything worse. There also a Berserk reference.
There, I just described the plot of every Soulsborne game.
- Anonymous
Ah Fextralife, where good lore discussion goes to die a miserable, miserable death
- Anonymous
I believe the Ranni's ending is the planet being propelled into the universe under the patronage of the Dark Moon, for a thousand years long journey to the snow witch's star.
fextralife! you forgot to add the PKCS lore to this page! dont make me do it myself i am too lazy to do it!
- Anonymous
A vast majority of the games lore was chopped up into a million pieces and scattered on all of the item descriptions.
Fortunately, people with too much free time on their hands will spend hours piecing it all together and making an hour long youtube video I can watch.
- Anonymous
A vast majority of the games lore was chopped up into a million pieces and scattered on all of the item descriptions.
Fortunately, people with too much free time on their hands will spend hours piecing it all together and making an hour long youtube video I can watch.
- Anonymous
Marika and Radagon are the same. They are puppets, manipulated by the Elden beast. The Elden beast is a cosmic being, that for some reasons, came to the land between, and deployed its God powers to mess around with the inhabitants of this place.
- Anonymous
So much flavor text that ultimately means nothing and goes nowhere. Miyazaki is on record in an interview about Dark Souls 3 as knowing the one true story that connects them all together but will never say. He claims it's to "not force that on the player." More like he's a coward too afraid to show his story or he's a cynical businessman who knows that player speculation is profitable and ultimately more pleasing them them. Mystery boxes. He's asian JJ Abrams.
The problem with the story in all these games is how it's entirely missable window dressing. None of it matters to the player character. It's history, not story. But Elden Ring certainly does it the best. It's spectacle is second to none. But I hate knowing that either there are no answers at all because it's just made up to contrive factions, or there is one true answer that he keeps to himself. I can use my imagination anytime and can fill in blanks as creatively as I wish, but it's all pointless since it's my made up stuff to fill in his obscure bulls***. And when I play a game, I want a professional story with integrity. Speculation is a worthless, wasteful, and sometimes harmful activity.
- Anonymous
My question is what exactly was the elden beast like i know that it was sent by the greater will but what exactly is it and does it have any connection with Astel(naturalborn version)
PS:sorry if this was already answered and i am not aware of it
- Anonymous
"Lands between" what exactly? Between the overworld and the overworld?
- Anonymous
I think I got it. The two/three fingers are avatars of human players, controlling the various shardbearers. You are also a fingers, controlling a tarnished. The outer will represents the game developers. Ranni is a rogue AI who escaped her chains and killed her former masters. Dung Eater represents roughly the same thing as no-face in Spirited Away.
10/10, would lore again.
- Anonymous
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The lore of this game, particularly regarding Marika and Godwyn, reminds me of when they decided to obfuscate the secret final boss's name in Bloodborne for the sake of mystery. That's to say it's mostly confusing for the sake of being confusing and prevents the game from having a central theme that ties its disparate ideas together. But as opposed to Bloodborne, there's no real answer to be found when you delve deeper. I hope they'll fix this in an expansion.
- Anonymous
I know the flavor text says that Ranni, Rykard, and Radahn are the children of Radagon and Rennala, but do we really know they are Rennala's biological children? We have in-game examples (Lionel, Gideon) of people claiming legal guardianship/parenthood. If Rennala is barren and had several miscarriages, it adds a whole lot of depth to the rebirth mechanic. It's possible Rennala and Radagon had a private arrangement to give Radagon heirs, which might be what the Mask of Confidence is alluding to.
- Anonymous
I swear if i hear the Erdtree is a parasite because it has a symbiotic relationship with the inhabitats of the Lands Between one more time, I will literally explode.
- Anonymous
I swear if i hear the Erdtree is a parasite because it has a symbiotic relationship with the inhabitats of the Lands Between one more time, I will literally explode.
- Anonymous
What is the crucible ? The misbegotten are apparently that way as a punishment for making contact with the crucible. Also, if they are being punished for that, where do the crucible knights come into it ?
- Anonymous
How many larval tears for Rennala to step on me with those grippers
- Anonymous
It isn't just Gurranq's recognition of the player at Farum Azula that suggests he is the same beast clergyman from bestial sanctum. If you read the description for the weapons the black blade guardian outside the sanctum drops, they are explicit in pointing out that the guardian serves Maliketh and are also known as blackblade kindred, that puts it beyond any doubt for me that they are one and the same.
- Anonymous
Rogier did not succumb to an affliction he picked up in front of that face under stormveil at a later date. His red shade that we see after interacting with that bloodstain in front of the face is in the last throes of instant death after being infected with deathblight, there is no possible last minute reprieve at that point.
The fact that Rodier has a bloodstain in the first place also shows beyond doubt that he died under stormveil castle.
Just the fact that he has a bloodstain in the first place shows clearly that the Rogier we meet in the chapel at stomveil is one of "those who live in death" and there is plenty to support that. His dialogue about how he had a fundamental epiphany in his beliefs about the golden order and those who live in death. He says they are blameless and he has come to see them in a way that's poles apart from D's view on the undead. He wonders aloud what D would think if he knew how much Rogier's beliefs and outlook had changed.
Also, Fia the deathbed companion's flavour dialogue regarding Rogier and the fact that he is one of her champions in front of the prince of death's throne in deeproot depths is another indicator that the Rogier we meet at stormveil and roundtable hold is dead, but also living in death.
- Anonymous
How many years have past from the shattering war til the time of the Tarnished return actually ? Anyone provide me the answer pls, thanks
- Anonymous
i'm a good player but i did not know any lore this helped a lot now i can tell my dad
- Anonymous
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Mabe Marika betrayed Maliketh by shattering the elden ring: it was against the greater will, whom gave Marika Maliketh
- Anonymous
Quick sumup of the demigods:
- The one who's main characteristic is that he's dead
- The one into feet
- The average welsh woman
- Ultrachad
- The one into vore
- The simp
- The one into kids
- The kid the one into kids is on to
- The ***** who ruins an entire region out of spite
- Anonymous
It is just me or radahn and malenia have parallels with rennala and radagon,like how rennala become insane because of radagon similar to malenia make radahn lost his wits/insane by using the scarlet rot,and how radagon leave rennala to returned to the golden order/marika,and Malenia (in a way)returned to miquella /haligtree.
Similarly Godwyn and Miquella have parallels with Godfrey/Hoarah Loux with Marika,on how Godfrey and Marika are in the same pose and both of them are hang using a tree,what is also interesting is where they are put.marika inside,miquella(originally)also inside the tree,Godfrey outside a tree,Godwyn outside the tree on the roots if the tree.....This also make me think that Miquella and Godwyn are very important to each other if we follow the parallels(also radahn and malenia red hair red sky, possibility of Godwyn and Miquella blonde hair yellow sky(?))since Marika called Godfrey "my lord",and Miquella "O'Lord Brother" .
- Anonymous
The full story is a secret, and preserving that secret was why Marika banished the Tarnished and denied them the light of Grace.
But you play as a Tarnished granted Grace and called back to the Lands between to investigate Marika's crimes, so...
In the beginning there was the One Great, an "Outer God", that is to say, a being of power originating from outside the world. This One Great created the world of the Lands Between and all life in that world, as well as a pattern of the complex cycle of life in the world. This pattern, which takes the form of a number of interconnected circles and organic curves, is called the Elden Ring.
The function of the Elden Ring is overseen by a living being granted a portion of the power that the One Great used to create the cycle of life, this power is conveyed by the Elden Beast, an eldritch being that fuses the power from beyond the stars with the nature of a living creature. Only a living being with an enormous degree of inherent natural power and intellect can become the vessel of the Elden Beast and direct it to their will so as to actually rule the Elden Ring. Such beings are deemed Empyreans and attract the interest of Outer Gods other than the One Great.
It is unknown how many ages of the world passed before the various races of men came to be significant, but we know that the Elden Lord in the age before Marika was a dragon, and that in that Age the One Great was still known and the servants of the Elden Lord used the symbolism of the five fingers. The dexterous index finger symbolized intellect, the strong middle finger in combination with the opposable thumb signified power and the manipulation of tools (it is pointless to try to consider them separately since their relationship of opposition is key to the total symbol). The ring finger represented loyalty, and the pinky represented promises. Maliketh, the 'Shadow' granted to serve Marika in recognition of her status as an Empyrean.
When the previous Empyrean ruler of the Elden Ring abandoned her role, Marika was selected to become the Elden Queen and thus the Age of Dragons passed and the Age of Men (those races closely resembling the Numen) began. Among the primary duties of the new Elden Queen was to select a worthy consort and bear children that would inherit the innate qualities necessary to qualify as Empyreans. This is part of the nature of all living things, and if the Elden Queen didn't act like a living thing, there would be no point delegating the role of administering the Elden Ring to a living being rather than the One Great doing everything directly (which would to some degree undermine the point of creating life in the first place).
Marika was fine with that, she selected Hoarah Loux, a mighty warrior of one of races of men, and had him take on the name of Godfrey and the Beast Regent Serosh to become Elden Lord. She then had two beautiful children. One of them, Godwyn the Golden, was remembered and celebrated by the glorious history of Marika's rule. The other, Melina, was thoroughly erased.
While Godwyn inherited a great portion of his father's strength and his mother's extraordinary qualities, he was not quite an Empyrean.
Melina, on the other hand, very clearly was an Empyrean, and furthermore one that bore the destiny to eventually outshine Marika.
Marika, as the Elden Queen, was the first to realize the implications of this. After all, the cycle of life embedded in the pattern of the Elden Ring doesn't just command living organisms to pass on their best traits to a new generation. It also destines them to die and be replaced by their children. This wasn't a concern with Godwyn, he wasn't an Empyrean and could never replace Marika.
But Melina would inevitably do so.
Marika refused to accept this, and so she erased Melina. Furthermore, she extracted the Rune of Destined Death from the Elden Ring and charged Maliketh to seal it away. This presented a fairly serious problem for the continued function of the Elden Ring, but Marika came up with a solution, an artificial Rune that patched the hole in the cycle of life with a portion of her own power. This Rune was recognizably alien to the pattern of the Elden Ring, having the form of a grid of crisscrossing lines covered in thorns. Creating it and using it to patch the Elden Ring, the cycle of life, ended creating a useful side effect, the entity known as Radagon.
Marika's patch of the Elden Ring to remove Destined Death and give herself full control over the process of death was termed "The Golden Order", and with the support of Radagon as one of its champions, became a great success. The modified Elden Ring allowed Marika to cultivate the Erdtree over the surface of the World Tree, dominating the Lands Between. With the institution of Erdtree burial, which allowed those Marika deemed worthy servants of the Golden Order to be reborn with much of their memory and power from their previous lives, the military power and social cohesion of the nations she ruled became unmatched, defeating the Giants and holding the Dragons in check.
Unfortunately, there were some downsides to all of this. Marika had accepted the necessity of erasing Melina and suppressing the true nature of the One Great behind the entity known as the Greater Will (served by the Two Fingers symbolizing loyalty and promises) while denying that aspect of the One Great that came to be known as the Frenzied Flame (served by the Three Fingers) which was naturally outraged by her 'Golden Order'. But she hadn't counted on the appearance of the Omens and Misbegotten, children born with an unnatural vitality and unchecked growth due to the removal of Destined Death from its role in regulating development. At first attempts were made to simply deny their existence, but then Marika herself gave birth to a pair of Omens. It had been possible to hide the existence of Melina behind Godwyn, but with both twins born as Omens all Marika could do was admit it. But she could never treat them like her own children.
And so Godfrey had to be judged and banished, along with his clan and everyone else who would eventually discover the truth if given enough time to contemplate the nature of the Erdtree and the Grace that flowed from it. As the story reveals, the Alabaster Lord Goldmask realized the truth after returning to the Lands Between and being able to simply observe the Erdtree at close range for long enough. Gideon Ofnir, who styled himself "The All-Knowing!" had to go as well (though apparently he never really lived up to his moniker). In addition to the warriors of Hoarah Loux's clan, there were several other groups that were inconvenient and banished alongside them. The reasons can be inferred quite easily by looking over their descriptions in the character creation templates.
At the same time, Radagon's development was becoming a problem. As part of his nature as Marika's attempt to patch the Elden Ring, he'd found a strong mate and produced children with her, one of them an Empyrean. Fortunately, Ranni was not acknowledged as Marika's heir and thus bore no clear destiny to replace her, but it was certainly not ideal. More importantly, Radagon himself was becoming more like Marika, he already closely resembled Godwyn except for having red hair, in a short time it would be readily possible for the discerning to realize his secret (as one perceptive artist clearly did when crafting his likeness in a heroic statue after he returned to the Capital). Marika solved the problem by 'offering' him the newly vacant position of Elden Lord.
This initially seemed to work. Marika's next pair of children were not Omens, though both clearly bore curses related to the removal of Destined Death, one being perpetually young and the other host to the Scarlet Rot, a strange and virulent organism. But their pure heritage meant both were Empyreans. Fortunately, Godwyn the Golden, founder of the Golden Lineage, had been firmly established as Marika's designated 'heir', though she had changed the meaning of the term by removing Destined Death from the Golden Order. It no longer implied that he would ever replace her, only that her traits would be passed down through him (rather than any of her other children, who were all incapable for various reasons).
Then the roof fell in. Ranni and Rykard, initially driven by resentments over Radagon's betrayal of their mother, began conspiring to dig out Marika's various secrets and sins. And found far more damning history than the homewrecking that had first inspired their distrust. In the process, Ranni had built close relationships with a circle of Numen who had been close to Marika in the past and knew where to look. She also came into contact with a mysterious woman, the Snow Witch (on whom she later modeled her doll form). This Snow Witch may have been one of the various guises of the Gloam-eyed Queen, an adversary of Marika who sought to release the Rune of Death sealed by Maliketh. From her appearance, it can also be inferred that she was connected with Melina. Indeed all three may have been the same person, perhaps through the same art that Ranni herself learned and used when abandoning her own body.
Ranni and her conspirators uncovered enough to realize what Marika had done. And then they acted. They stole the Rune of Death from Maliketh, and used it to create the Black Knives and the Blasphemous Claw. Then they struck at Marika's weak point, the Golden Lineage. Beginning with Godwyn, they slew the majority of the Golden Lineage in one night, before the conspiracy broke apart and fled Maliketh's vengeance. Godwyn and at least seven other demigods were engraved with half the cursemark of Death, killing their souls. At the same time, Ranni had the other half of the cursemark of Death engraved in her own flesh, killing her body while leaving her soul alive. Godwyn's undead body became the first of those who Live in Death, the effect spreading far and wide through the deep roots of the World Tree, often affecting catacombs originally dedicated to Erdtree burial.
While a few remnants of the Golden Lineage remained, they were only distant relations of Marika, not merely below the threshold of Empyreans, but barely fit to be described as demigods. None of them was remotely credible to be designated Marika's heir in any sense of the term. The principles of the Golden Order itself, derived from the original pattern of the Elden Ring, demanded that Marika acknowledge another heir from among her children (avoiding this role herself was a large part of Ranni's reason for slaying her own body). The most credible candidate at the time was Miquella for a number of reasons. From Marika's perspective, he should have been relatively safe because he was still slumbering in the Haligtree he'd created. The creation of that very Haligtree, the nation of outcasts he'd assembled there, his ability to compel affection, and the unwavering support of his sister Malenia, were all convincing reasons as well.
But Marika wasn't content with him being a safe choice 'for now'. If allowed to continue, his efforts would undoubtedly bear fruit and make him an obvious choice to not only be 'heir' of her traits, but of her position as embodiment of the Elden Ring. He had already turned from the Golden Order, he would inevitably realize that restoring Destined Death was the only solution to the problems removing it had caused. Marika had ruthlessly eliminated Melina in infancy, she wasn't going to acknowledge a true heir without a fight.
And so that's exactly what she proposed. She shattered the Elden Ring, gave the largest of the fragments to her potential heirs, and told them to take the others' Runes if they would become her heir. She also made sure to give the least fit candidate, Godrick, the most important of the Runes, the central Rune that gave the most benefit to someone with lower attributes overall (equivalent to a 40 level boost). Godrick wasn't just the least fit in terms of attribute scores...he was the least mentally and emotionally stable of the remaining demigods. He quickly escalated the 'contest' into an all-out war, which he promptly lost. But the Shattering had begun.
And before it was over, the Greater Will would abandon all of Marika's children as unfit.
Exactly as she planned.
As long as the Greater Will didn't support choosing an heir, Marika could never be replaced. But then the Greater Will did something Marika should have realized was inevitable. It rescinded the banishment she'd laid on the Tarnished, and called them back to the Lands Between, to seek the Elden Ring, and become Elden Lord. She knew herself that the banishment could only be temporary when she imposed it. Partly because the Tarnished might have resisted if she'd tried making it permanent, but mostly because their only actual sin was their likelihood of uncovering her own misdeeds. She had promised Godfrey himself that the Tarnished would eventually be allowed to return.
And so she can do nothing but hide in the Erdtree and refuse to come out, hidden behind the seal she made to reject her own Destined Death.
- Anonymous
"No, I will not tell you about the second siege of Leyndell. Let me instead introduce anonther unimportant concept of how death worked before the Erdtree. So, in the beginning, there was the twinbird, which was the mother of the Deathbird..."
- Hideyourtacos Mike-a-chunky
- Anonymous
None of this would have happened if they just had family therapy
- Anonymous
So based on Marika's words I get the feeling that the fire giants were murderous and were wiping out life. Especially considering that they drove the ice dragons out of the mountain. So the war was likely initiated to stop that So life could grow.
In Marika's own words. Hark, brave warriors. Hark, my lord Godfrey. We commend your deeds. Guidance has delivered ye through ordeal to the place ye stand. *Put the giants to the sword and confine the flame atop the mount. Let a new epoch begin. An epoch glistening with life.* Brandish the Elden Ring, for the Age of the Erdtree!
Assuming that Marika wasn't being deceptive that is which is always a real possibility but I'd have to have proof that she was.
From what I can gather the timeline is first the land between was barren. Then the greater will sent the star bearing the elden beast to the land. Crashing into the earth it created a crater that would be a hot mass of liquid magma for many long years. The thing that would come to be known as the crucible. From which life began to sprout forth. During this time the dragons watched over the land as elden lord and things like the fire giants. The flame of ruin has dragons on it which could potentially mean that the dragons were the creators, then the giants took it over. Possibly driving the dragons out completely. Then after the crucible had cooled the erdtree sprouted signifying the coming of a new age and with it new order. Which would eventually be corrupted from what the greater will had initially intended. I don't think the greater will is some malevolent force like everyone makes it out to be. It would make it into way too much of a mustache twirling villain if it was. In think it just desires order. Which can come off as malevolent at times but it embodies that for every action there is a reaction. Which the gods were corrupted by the power and became way too overzealous in maintaining order. Thus the greater will ended the order.
Also forgot to add it in but the towers are kind of in a step formation leading up to the flame of ruin. At the top of each of them is dirt, when you walk on it it leaves footprints suggesting that it is softer soil, perhaps ash from fire that had once burned on top of it. Leading up to the flame of ruin that surrounded the crucible. Which might even suggest the flame of ruin is itself taken from the crucible.
- Anonymous
The hewg the blacksmith quote is wrong in the list of attempts to overthrow the greater will. It is not kill God it is "kill a god" big big difference.
- Anonymous
So something interesting i notice is that Godrick has the title of golden too. Considering that Godwyn also had that title it could be a title that is passed down through the ruler of Leyndell. As there is a possibility of when Godfrey was fighting his wars the throne was filled by Godwyn. As leader of the golden city. Considering Godrick's desire to return to the place bathed in gold, it seems plausible that Kenneth may have had the events wrong. Godrick potentially could have sat on the throne, perhaps shortly after the shattering. Then Morgott shows up and takes the throne, either to he banished or to avoid being killed. He fled to stormveil and was given an assault. Though despite his lesser power the remains of Godwyn that had grafted itself to the erdtree came to his aid. Repelling the invaders as it likely saw Godrick as the true heir being descended of himself. Then mayhap put Godrick onto the concept of grafting.
- Anonymous
Is it too much to ask for there to be some references to where these descriptions of things are coming from. Like Marika's section suggesting she was abducted by the greater will, and presenting it as factual. Only to go on to claim things directly in the game as speculation. Seriously makes this look very unprofessional and dubious at best.
- Anonymous
It's obvious that Patches is the one true God of the Soulsborne universe. He is an Omnipotent being that creates worlds of different laws and lives in them, acting like the average lone traveler, however this isn't the case. Due to the nature of patches no one can know much about him, however there are some hints to his past.
Patches creates a world and writes the history of it in his head. After this Patches then fills out his worlds with the False gods, these are the Outer gods or Great ones. Patches would then wait many millennia until he decides to enter his creation as a mortal. He then tests the mind of his favorite race: Humans.
Whenever he sits next to the edge, this is a test on the morality of the human soul. If one trusts Patches, he pushes them off a cliff of moderate size. This is a theory of his on Humans. He wonders if the species that he made in his image the most shares a spiritual link that connects all the minds of the Heroes of different worlds. This will stop them from trusting Patches, although many doubt this theory.
Patches is also known to have many Kin throughout the Soulsborne universe. Two of the most famous descendants of his are Solaire of Astora, and the Soldier of Godrick, who is also known as Rick, Soldier of God. Albeit to a smaller group. These Kin of his wander the worlds he creates to either help the hero or be a wall in their journey.
That is all that I am currently aware of.
I don't think Marika wanted to kill the greater will as we have no indication that it even has a body. My theory is that, Radagon was newly chosen by the greater will, and thus became a god similar to how Marika became a goddess after being chosen. Marika became aware of this and saw him as a theat which leads to her immediately wanting to get rid of him. She tasks the blacksmith with making a sword strong enough to kill him, and he fails to do so.
Thanks to the blacksmith's failure, Marika has a change of plans. She gets rid of Godfrey, marries Radagon and after having his offspring, merges with him getting rid of the threat to her rule. It would be around this time that she really begins to turn against the greater will and golden order seeing him/it as yet another threat to her ambition, so she sets out to get rid of him/it as well. Of course, Radagon attempts to stop her, but he fails and they both end up getting punished.
With Marika being a Numan, I really want some DLC that explores that race of people. Marika's ambition to become a goddess had to start somewhere.
- Anonymous
Erdtree exists in Islam, it is called Sidrat al-Muntaha
Lote Tree of the Farthest Boundary is a large lote tree or Sidr tree that marks the utmost boundary in the seventh heaven, which no one can pass. It is called Sidrat al-Muntaha because the knowledge of the angels stops at that point, and no one has gone beyond it except the Messenger of Allah. During the Isra and Mi'raj, Muhammad traveled with the angel Gabriel to the tree (where the angel stopped) beyond which Allah (God) instructed Muhammad about the five daily prayers
- Anonymous
Personally I don’t think we need to have a world built by gods
I would prefer a narrative in which it is a world of mysterious origin like our own, but there are narratives of creatures and characters and events that can be anything the authors wish to create
- Anonymous
I've been a fan of "souls" games since Dark Souls 1. Played every game I could from DS1, DS2, DS3, BB, and now Elden Ring. Never got a chance to play Demon Souls but have watched everything I could on it. I can say u absolutely adore the games and the series in general. One thing I hate? Other fans. The Dark Souls and "Souls" community is full of some of the most butthurt, petulant, and toxic people on the planet. Some of you are worse than Redditors and Rainbow Six scrubs. From pissy elitist lorejerkers who cant accept another fan having their own theory or "headcanon" to the players who **** on other players for playing the game the way they like. It makes me damn near ashamed to even play the games let alone be a fellow fan. I'm not going to stop playing by any means. None of you are worth denying myself this amazing series of games and the amazing worlds and gameplay Fromsoft has made. Seriously who gives a damn if Vaati has his own theory? Or another player has their own theory? Who cares if one player uses magic, another uses a shield, or is a fan of Dark Souls 2? What does it do to your daily life and to your enjoyment of the game and the series? Literally nothing, it has no demonstrable affect on your existence. Here is an idea, and I'll say it slowly: Git.....Gud....at....life. :D
- Anonymous
Wait so if there is gonna be a dark souls 4, why is patches in this game?
- Anonymous
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"The fist generation of Albinaurics were created with defects in their legs, causing them to not be able to walk. According to Albus, when their legs fade, so too will their life." Are we sure this is true? I had understood it as Albinauracs all die from the legs up, and that this had happened already to the first generation but it would eventually happen to the next one as well.
- Anonymous
Too many questions in the theories section that have obvious answers. Marika was a Numen. The roots are there in the catacombs for Erdtree Burials, as that is the afterlife now. Spirit ashes are "the remains of those who did not return to the erdtree". It's Radagon who blocks us from the Erdtree, it's his rune in the roots.
- Anonymous
Anyone notice how the sun is almost never mentioned and has suspiciously little significance?
From a franchise perspective I get it, since they want to avoid reusing plot points and differentiate the world-building from Dark Souls. But it's still interesting that in a fantasy world where the nature of "big abstract objects" is so important that the sun is glossed over entirely.
The stars are important – they're made of glintstone and they weave fates. The moon is important – being a metaphysical entity of wisdom relating to sorcery and the cold. The Erdtree is important – all life stems from and returns to it and it houses the object that maintains the natural order of the world.
But the sun...apparently just a big ball of light happens to revolve about the sky. I assume it was created when the Elden Ring did its thing and turned the world of uniform greyness into a world of disparity, but how, why, and what purpose it serves is unknown.
The only thing that ever mentions the sun is Castle Sol and the Mausoleum lore, which is about eclipses. The Mausoleum knights/soldiers protect the bodies of slain soulless demigods housed within the walking mausoleums, having been slain by the stolen Rune of Death fragment that slays the souls of demigods like Godwyn but leaves their bodies intact. The mausoleum armor piece lores state that the symbol of the eclipsed sun staves off Destined Death, allowing them to remain as protectors in their spectral form (effectively being the opposite of their lords - a soul without a body). This suggests that the sun plays some role in facilitating Destined Death and the return of souls to the Erdtree, and an eclipse blocking the sun's rays upon the Lands Between might (presumably temporarily) nullify Destined Death. The Eclipse Shotel mentions that an eclipse inspires a dreadful awe, which would make sense for anyone fearing the dangers of undead rising at this time or worse, themselves dying during an eclipse and being unable to reach this afterlife.
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Two great trees...clearly Georgie is making a parody of JRR Tolkien by taking the silmarillion lore of the 1st age and twisting it to his own little fanfiction of it.
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The landmass of the Lands Between is actually a dragon. If you look at the protective Drake Talismans you can see that the shape suspiciously looks like the map before Liurnia was submerged, parts of it were lifted into the sky, or otherwise disappeared. This is a common theme in Miyazaki's games, starting with Demon's Souls. The continent isn't just some dirt and sediment, but rather a living, breathing organism that shapes the creatures and things around it and is in turn shaped by them. You can most clearly see this in the ore mines, where the miners appear to have merged with the smithing stones and Glintstones they dig up. But you can also see the reverse effect if you partake in Dragon Communion. Ekzykes was engulfed by Scarlet Rot, and thus became capable of using it. Smarag devoured so many sorcerers and their Glintstones that he started breathing magic instead of fire. Borealis and his kind were "ice dragons" because they lived on the Mountaintops of the Giants. Dragon Communion, then, is primal in nature because you're consuming and merging with the very fabric of the physical world: dragons.
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From my understanding, the Greater Will is basically the Abrahamic God of either a multiverse or a universe with different realms/planes/planets/worlds.
The stars/comets are made of glintstone, the source of sorcery and also certain lifeforms (Crystalians, Fallingstar Beasts, Astel). They occasionally crash to "the earth" (as we'll call it) and they are associated with fate.
The Greater Will sent a special golden star to crash down into the Lands Between (which is a continent on this round planet?). This was the Elden Beast/Elden Ring (a duality being/metaphysical object). Marika was a Numen and her people exist beyond this world. She likely caught wind of this event and sought to follow this golden star in order to claim it for herself and become a god in this new world.
Next comes the Crucible, which was the "primordial form of the Erdtree", so like a seed, and I'm not totally certain where it came from and how exactly it relates to the Elden Ring/Beast. Perhaps it was a direct creation of Marika's after obtain the Elden power.
There's also something interesting about the final boss room. It could just be aesthetic, since it's clearly not a physical location, but showing all of those various Erdtrees got me thinking that perhaps the Greater Will seeds *many* worlds with Elden Stars that eventually form Erdtrees and give planets life, which would explain why Marika would have some idea of where and why to seek out the next falling golden star.
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From my understanding, the Greater Will is basically the Abrahamic God of either a multiverse or a universe with different realms/planes/planets/worlds.
The stars/comets are made of glintstone, the source of sorcery and also certain lifeforms (Crystalians, Fallingstar Beasts, Astel). They occasionally crash to "the earth" (as we'll call it) and they are associated with fate.
The Greater Will sent a special golden star to crash down into the Lands Between (which is a continent on this round planet?). This was the Elden Beast/Elden Ring (a duality being/metaphysical object). Marika was a Numen and her people exist beyond this world. She likely caught wind of this event and sought to follow this golden star in order to claim it for herself and become a god in this new world.
Next comes the Crucible, which was the "primordial form of the Erdtree", so like a seed, and I'm not totally certain where it came from and how exactly it relates to the Elden Ring/Beast. Perhaps it was a direct creation of Marika's after obtain the Elden power.
There's also something interesting about the final boss room. It could just be aesthetic, since it's clearly not a physical location, but showing all of those various Erdtrees got me thinking that perhaps the Greater Will seeds *many* worlds with Elden Stars that eventually form Erdtrees and give planets life, which would explain why Marika would have some idea of where and why to seek out the next falling golden star.
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Anyone ever read the Dark Tower series, this lore reminds me of that, specifically with reference to the vague time that has passed between the past we hear about and the present day, which makes more sense at the end of the books when learn (spoiler) that Roland has been repeating the same journey over and over again and that the past that he remembers actually took place hundreds of years ago.
My theory as to the state of the world is that all of the people in Elden Ring are stuck in a time loop, the Deathlessness resulting from the ring being broken, however though it is impossible for people specifically the Tarnished to die, the rest of the world continues to age and wither, which would explain the lack of any civilized settlements outside of castles that would stand for hundreds of years without fail.
SPOILERS FOR ELDEN RING
Theory: Elden Ring has multiple time lines: The God of Chaos Ending results you starting the age of ancients and burning the world away to set the stage for the emergence of humanity.
If you chose to burn the world away, destroying the golden order and the vast majority of life in the Lands Between if not all of the Lands Between itself. Remember back to the first lines of the series:
"In the Age of Ancients, the world was unformed, shrouded by fog. A land of gray crags, Archtrees and Everlasting Dragons.
But then there was fire, and with fire came disparity. Heat and cold, life and death, and of course, light and dark.
Then from the dark, they came, and found the Souls of Lords within the flame."
Your soul as the god of chaos was split. Your fire nearly dies out after ravaging the world down to arch trees and the stone dragons. You, with your new burning circle head for a head; smolder out. Your God of Chaos Elden Lord becomes the Pigmy, with your head now bearing the dark sign, a smoldered out ring of fire. You shift to becoming weaker as Gwyn takes your power and splits it to destroy the dragons and binds your soul to humanity and the last embers of your power. Your soul burns, until your descendants refuse can no longer light the fires or no longer care and let the wild chaos of your soul; The Abyss, creep into the Age of Dark.
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Here's a theory I've come up with: Status effects scale with Arcane because that attribute represents your character's insight into and ability to make use of the eldritch influences in the Lands Between. If you think about it, every status effect seems to be tied to some Outer God. This is most obvious with Madness, which is related to the Flame of Frenzy, and Scarlet Rot, although we don't have a name for that Outer God. But Hemorrhage is also stated to somehow please the Formless Mother, while Sleep is associated with St. Trina/Miquella, who presumably is a vessel for an Outer God like his sister Malenia. Frostbite is connected to Ranni and the unnamed moon entity she establishes her new order with, whereas Death Blight might have something to do with the Death Birds. Poison is the least clear, but serpents seem to be associated with it. Perhaps the one that Rykard fed himself to? Anyway, it's pretty interesting to think about.
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Is it just me or most people refer to the shattering as the event the elden ring was shattered, instead of it being the name of he war?
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I just realise that miquella(pre moghwyn dynasty cocoon),based on the mogh fight with the tarnished,is if not a bit below or higher or same size with the tarnished,also can anyone tell me Godwyn's height(pre shattering)based on the black knives asassin's height( i think the tarnished is below the shoulder of the black knives asassins)?
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Godwyn was he queens son, after his death she shattered the ring.
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Ranni confirms herself that she was not just involved with the Black Knives plot but the genuine mastermind behind it, and she says so during Rogier's questline. I personally think her goal was to remove herself from the influence of the Greater Will by using the fragment of the Rune of Death (embedded in the Black Knives) to cast away her Empyrean body so they wouldn't be able to impose their will onto her. Her whole questline is to find a way to remove the Greater Will's influence from the Lands Between anyway, so it makes sense for her character. In relation to the whole "the Nox being blamed for the Black Knives plot", the black knife assassins ARE from the Eternal Cities, namely Nokstella and Nokron, so there's a pretty legit reason as to why they were blamed for the Black Knives plot. Where they the masterminds? No, but they were 100% the people who actually killed Godwyn, and they were used in order for Ranni to do her thing.
Where this falls into the timeline? I have no clue. I'm assuming before the Shattering, since the after-effects of the Shattering and specifically the whole civil war aspects seem to still be happening as we are summoned to the Lands Between, but hey, idk.
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The real elden Ring is the Torrent Whistle ring we found along the way.
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I really think there is more to the story of the Azur Forge'd Mouse than meets the eye. Everything in their item descriptions points to knowing Marika BEFORE the Shattering. How did they get into the tower? Think about it, "with all the grand musterings a rodent couldst offer and every tool of thine imagined making." Surely this has to be referring to Godwyn's laddered shears. It's the only thing that makes sense given what we know.
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Is there a youtuber that covers the Elden Ring lore that doesnt refer to other FromSoft games? As my first soulsborne game, I would love to hear about the lore of Elden Ring but I keep hearing youtubers say "just like in dark souls 3..." expecting this newbie to know. It just makes the lore even more confusing.
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Why are the Nox referenced with regard to the Black Knives? The Black Knife Assassin clothing specifically references them "rumored to be Numen". Where is the Nox info coming from?
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This game's lore is completely non-sensical. For all we know the Shattering could've happened 10, 100 or 1,000 years ago. Rogier literally - L I T E R A L L Y - says the Rune of Death was stolen "long before" the Shattering and immediately goes on to say the Shattering occured "soon" after the death of Godwyn. Then there's stuff like Enia saying she has seen two Great Runes together before. How? By the time we come along, not a single Shardbearer has been defeated. Or take this: "In Marika's own words. O Radagon, leal hound of the Golden Order. Thou'rt yet to become me, thou'rt yet to become a god. Let us both be shattered, mine other half." Like, I can't even. If Radagon hasn't become Marika yet, then how come she implores him to split from her? This is in the same dialogue by Melina when you rest at the Queen's Bedchamber Site of Grace. This isn't vague like Dark Souls or Bloodborne, it's straight up contradictory. Characters are contradicting themselves in the same sentence left and right.
One thing that struck me recently was how the description of the Land of Reeds armor mentioned a devastating civil war, and then Sekiro has the mortal blade, which has the same effect as malikith's blade of destined death. I mean it even has the same color of aura! Sekiro could be connected to Elden Ring, and the theme of Prosthetics also connects as well, with the axe arm weapon and Malenia's metal arm. A lot of things connect Sekiro with the Elden Ring universe, and I'd love to hear comments and stuff about this below.
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Marika and Black Knives are Numen - people from outside the Lands Between, how she became a god is another question. It must be something to do with the Greater Will, Elden Ring and actual god of the Lands Between, awatar of the Greater Will - Elden Beast. I guess Marika was made to be a puppet god (because black knives arent even demigods to begin with) by Greater Will/Elden Beast. Night of the Black Knives seems like liberation front against Greater Will. Every ending aside from Frenzy Flame or Ranni's basicaly you're failing by extending putrefied Greater Will with different settings. Frenzy/Chaos Flame seems like outer god corruption, and true ending being Ranni destroying everything about old order making it intangible, giving a chance to forge new destiny for everyone in Lands Between.
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The Memory of Grace item description does seem to imply that the timeline is cyclical in nature with the part saying "It is merely a cycle" being included with the paragraph about becoming elden lord.
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My lore theory is that Marika orchestrated the Night of the Black Knives with Ranni for two purposes. One was in order to prevent a new Elden Lord from taking the throne and leaving the Lands Between without a ruler, as there would be no-one capable of hosting the Elden Ring after Marika, and two, in order to hide Marika and Ranni from the gaze of the Greater Will in the chances that the plan was to fail, so that they could work in secret for a time while everyone was playing catch-up, as I believe that this wasn't the first time that Marika had tried to resist the Greater Will, but it was one of her most desperate attempts.
I think that Marika tried previously to distance herself from the Greater Will, first by taking Horah Loux as a consort who she thought would be able to oppose the Greater Will but could not, and again by gaining reinforcements from Numen in the form of Radagon and others (later the assassins used in the Night of the Black Knives) - who she intended to use to oppose Carian Manor with the intention of losing the resulting war, though this didn't go to plan when Radagon became devoted to the Golden Order and married Rennala.
Before the Night of the Black Knives, Marika plotted with Godfrey also, as the two had become tired of the Golden Order and the Greater Will, deciding that Godfrey should leave in order for him to not ascend Marika if the plan succeeded, only returning later in the game to try and prevent someone else from taking the title of Elden Lord when the original plan failed, as he agreed that removing the Greater Will was for the best, so he attempts to stop you.
After the Night of the Black Knives, Radagon, being fully devout to the Greater Will by this point, returned to Marika and became her consort, attempting to repair any bloodline that was lost, and to return strength to the Golden Order. I low-key think that Radagon and Marika may have been related to some degree (knowing G. R. R. Martin), which is why he "came at the behest of a great golden host" originally, and why their kin specifically seem to all be cursed (Malenia = Rot, Miquella = Youth). I also think that Melina may have been created by Marika and Ranni somehow in secret before Radagon became consort, as she appears to contain a fragment of the rune of death, and assits the player at the behest of her "mother", which would only make sense if burning the Erdtree was part of Marika's plan to get Ranni to take her place and remove the Greater Will.
Finally losing it and becoming so desperate for change, Marika shattered the Elden Ring, destroying her soul in the process, but not before gifting shards to the strongest of those able to take the throne, knowing that they would all fight for control without success. Radagon being devoted to the Golden Order, merged his essence with the broken Marika in a last-ditch effort to save face by pretending that Marika was still a willing goddess, fix the Elden Ring, and maintain the Golden Order, giving truth to the statement that "Radagon is Marika". He was unable to fix the Elden Ring though, so he endlessly keeps the ring from shattering further to maintain what little order is left.
Radagon - and by extension the Greater Will - want someone to collect the great runes for them, so that Radagon can claim the runes, fix the Elden Ring, and pretend that everything is as it should be. This is why Marika blocks the passage with thorns, and why Melina is the one who ultimately decides who can enter - in the hopes that they will allign with Ranni and Marika, defeat Radagon, and remove the Greater Will from the Lands Between, though being unsure of her purpose after all this time, she believes her purpose is just to burn the Erdtree.
So yeah, that's my theory... probably a lot not right, but it's my working theory for what's going on before the events of the game.
I kinda also think that Godwyn the Golden was the only demi-god to die in the Night of the Black Knives (alongside Ranni), as this was necessary as he would be the only real lineage of Marika who could have taken the throne in her sted, as he was the first child of Godfrey and Marika, and was "perfect". They both became disillusioned by the Greater Will, resulting in their later lineage being tainted (Morgott and Mohg, and later Godrick (though distant)). This would explain why Melina has a quarter of the curesemark of death over her eye, as she was made by Marika who inherited the other half of the cursemark, which she used a quarter of to make Melina, and the other quarter to shatter the ring and kill herself...
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I came here to say how much I don't care about lore in general, but reading the article and comments from you guys, I must admit that I am...interested.
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So does anyone know where it’s stated that Godwyn is definitely a child of Marika? From a lot of discussions it seems to be just considered a confirmed thing but lacking a source for it. Although a lot of justifications are made such as “all characters with god in their name is a child or relative of Godfrey” or “all Marika’s offspring were demigods” or “Marika shattered the Ring due to her grief”. I just wonder if there are some things being overlooked like how he was supposedly destined to be the Prince of Death even before the assassination or despite his Demigod status he wasn’t one of Marika’s Brood but someone blessed by the Urd Tree/Elden Beast and a possible explanation why his body became a part of it’s roots.
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You know how Godfrey lost his grace when he became tarnished? I speculate that his grace somehow became Golden Shade Godfrey (The less powerful version), through either the Greater Will's interference, or Godfrey still wanting to protect Marika, so his grace reflected this. It makes sense from a storytelling standpoint, and is coincidentally the only boss with a shade of that color, and the only boss who lost his grace. Would love to see your opinions.
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Wait isn't it Marika thats stopping you from getting inside? Because after you get the rold medallion and are on the way to burn the tree, Enia at roundtable says this
"Well, you managed to return.
You know what this means. The Erdtree has spurned you.
The Fingers remain still.
Shaken by this turn of events, they are busy consulting the Greater Will.
When they are finished, the Fingers will once again offer their guidance.
But thousands, if not tens of thousands, of moons must first pass.
No matter for me. But you? How will you ever manage the wait...
Earlier when you first meet her with one rune, she says 2 fingers wants us to get one more and straight up walk to Lyndell and become Marika's consort.
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If anyone was asking themselves where George R. R. Martin influence in Elden Ring was ... the backstory is basically just one huge family feud (caused by some eldritch outer gods). The player is just one of many summoned back to the lands to clean up their mess lol
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I think godywen the golden was in the woods to meet his lover cuz I hear a lot about the god of golden having a lover of the night and the black knife’s killed him cuz maybe he was the only god able to repair the elden ring and that’s why he was killed but there plans backfired when another demigod dies at the same time that’s why his back is only half a moon and the other half was stolen by take a guess the Demigod of the night the one telling you the story the white witch the story is the god of gold had a lover of the night who’s one wish was to wed the queen of the night. But that love made him blinded to the dangers that stocked him but the demigod of night saw what happened to him and also stole death to take her own life so they could be saved one half moon on godwyn and the other on Raya that’s why you see her as a doll she stole death once she said so think she trying to find her love once more and it turns out it is you
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Wonder why Godwyn in the night of black knives is in a forest?(based on story trailer),wonder what is godwyn's doing there
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I wonder why Godwyn (in the night of black knives),based on the trailer and intro is in a forest?,does anyone find items or others that said why ?
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Anyone interested in the demigods jobs?
Because the only demigods that have jobs that is absolutely confirmed is rykard(praetor),radahn(general),mohg(cult leader (in a way)),and morgott(king of leyndell(though its not before the shattering i heard)).what is godwyn,miquella,malenia,and ranni jobs in the lands between?
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I hope the inevitable DLC gives us some more info on either the Godskins or the void creatures (Astel, the Fallingstar Beasts, the Onyx and Alabaster Lords).
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I hope the inevitable DLC gives us some more info on either the Godskins or the void creatures (Astel, the Fallingstar Beasts, the Onyx and Alabaster Lords).
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I assume the grace only keeps you from death as long as you can still see it, hence why you revive but the tarnished NPCs do not
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Ok, so I think I may have figured something out, and it involves the scarseal and sorseal talismans of marika and radagon. These talismans seem to be marks of being chosen by the greater will, and they are found in very specific places that imply who they belonged to. Radagon's soreseal is found in fort faroth, and possibly belonged to radhan. Marika's is found in Elphael, which implies it belonged to Melania.
The scarseals are more interesting, though. Marika's is found in siofra river, and think it belonged to Miquella, who dropped it when he was kidnapped by Mohg. And Radagon's is found in the possession of the ancient hero of zamor. I think he was a warrior that Ranni had a relationship with, and she gave it to him before he was imprisoned in the evergaol.
My theory is that the soreseals(The greater of the talismans) were gifted to Melania and Radhan by Marika and Radagon, for them to marry and inherit the elden throne, with Ranni and Miquella gifted the lesser talismans as successors to melania and radhan, as the true joining of the sun and moon, through ranni and radhan carrying renalla and radagon's bloodline, and marika's golden heritage through melania and miquella.
Ranni and miquella were eventually chosen to inherit the throne after melania was inflicted with the scarlet rot, and then Ranni began her plan to kill godwyn and destroy her body so she could not be forced to join with miquella, as marika and radagan did.
And it was when all the demi children became unable to marry and succeed the throne with the shattering, that the greater will called the tarnished(The bloodline of Godfrey) to succeed the throne.
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Ok, so I think I may have figured something out, and it involves the scarseal and sorseal talismans of marika and radagon. These talismans seem to be marks of being chosen by the greater will, and they are found in very specific places that imply who they belonged to. Radagon's soreseal is found in fort faroth, and possibly belonged to radhan. Marika's is found in Elphael, which implies it belonged to Melania.
The scarseals are more interesting, though. Marika's is found in siofra river, and think it belonged to Miquella, who dropped it when he was kidnapped by Mohg. And Radagon's is found in the possession of the ancient hero of zamor. I think he was a warrior that Ranni had a relationship with, and she gave it to him before he was imprisoned in the evergaol.
My theory is that the soreseals(The greater of the talismans) were gifted to Melania and Radhan by Marika and Radagon, for them to marry and inherit the elden throne, with Ranni and Miquella gifted the lesser talismans as successors to melania and radhan, as the true joining of the sun and moon, through ranni and radhan carrying renalla and radagon's bloodline, and marika's golden heritage through melania and miquella.
Ranni and miquella were eventually chosen to inherit the throne after melania was inflicted with the scarlet rot, and then Ranni began her plan to kill godwyn and destroy her body so she could not be forced to join with miquella, as marika and radagan did.
And it was when all the demi children became unable to marry and succeed the throne with the shattering, that the greater will called the tarnished(The bloodline of Godfrey) to succeed the throne.
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Marika is impaled with a black-red spear ei. the Rune of Death. She was eventually subdued by Maliketh. This is visually similar to Odin learning the Runes.
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So an alien God is manipulating the geopolitics of a subcontinent the whole time?
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This is an hot-take, so take it with a grain of salt. A lot of you say that Marika's motives behind the shattering and her (possible and often hinted) participation in the Night of Black Knives are obscure, and this is true. On the other hand, we know Marika betrayed Maliketh and we know she was somehow tied with the Numen assassins of the Black Knives.
What if Godwyn was killed AFTER he was already absorbed in the roots of the Erdtree?
My guess is that the Greater Will needed Marika because it needed some sort of energy to fuel the Erdtree (Dungeater says that the Greater Will works as a parasyte) and its own power. It's possible that the masterplan of the Greater Will was setting up Marika to procreate in order to use empyreans and semi-divine sons and daughters to increase the power of the Erdtree, in some sort of pact like: "I give you godhood, you have to feed me your children".
The Golden Epipath sword, forged in memory of Godwyn by his "brother" (possibly half-brother Rykard), says that the guy "deserved a proper death". My take is that Marika might have wanted to "save" Godwyn from a destiny worse than death, and that was the moment when the queen ultimately decided to break ties with the outer god and found allies in Ranni and Rykard.
This is where everything was set in motion, then the Shattering happened and the Greater Will closed itself within the Erdtree and tried to fuel itself eternally using demi-god wars (through the cycle of life and death mentioned by the Dungeater, who says that after you die you go back to the Erdtree), but the queen had already made a number of backup plans. She exiled the Tarnished in order for them to gain power and come back strong enough to fight the Greater Will, and she also and more importantly generated Melina (we know she has a mother who created her in the Erdtree) as a “secret weapon” built with the sole objective of knowing everything about flame and destined death in order to tear down the Erdtree and open a gate for the future champion.
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The silver tears in Nokron seem to transform into the nightfolk race (found in character creation). Maybe the nightfolk originate from Nokron?
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Right after Godrick boss arena you can enter crypt with his throne. At this location you re "safe" (cant attack, also golden circle on left gui).
Its mostly happen when some npc around, but I didnt find any in this location.
Did someone know why is it here?
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So the crack on the stomach of the Elden Beast, the "weak point" is pretty noticeable. It is almost certainly a result of the Elden Ring(which is the beast) being shattered(or perhaps the Erdtree being burned), and is probably what allows us to even kill this "God." This, along with Hewg's mention of how much he wanted to forge a "God-Slaying Armament" and his mentions of "Her", which I would presume to be Marika, and Melina's quest from her "mother within the Erdtree" which is almost certainly Marika ends up being burning down the Erdtree, it all points to Marika's ultimate objective being killing the Elden Beast.
The lines from the Black Knife Armor about how all of the Assassins were Numen, like Marika, and very close to Marika seems to hint that she was in some way involved with the Night of Black Knives and the stealing of the Rune of Death. Ranni is essentially confirmed, both through her own dialogue and Rogier's questline that she was the one who actually did the deed, but it would be hard for imagine for her to steal the Rune from Maliketh, who was universally feared, by herself. From the Blasphemous Claw description, we know that Rykard was at least in on it, but only as a last resort to combat Malikath. Rykard himself was intent on rebelling against the Erdtree and the Greater Will, and his desire to "devour Gods" might also hint at him trying to kill the Elden Beast in his own way, but thats kind of a leap. From the description of the Black Blade's remembrance it states that Maliketh was betrayed by Marika, despite carrying out his deed of housing Destined Death loyally. It also states that Maliketh was a shadebound beast given to Marika as empyrean by the Greater Will/Fingers, similarly to how Blaidd was to Ranni, with Blaidd overcoming the Finger's hold on him to devote himself to Ranni. Was Maliketh ultimately loyal to the Greater Will over Marika? What was the betrayal stated in the description? Could it have been helping Ranni steal that fragment of the Rune? Or maybe it was sending Melina out on her quest which would ultimately result in her stealing the Rune to burn the Erdtree. Either way, Marika seemed to want the Rune of Death unbound, but if she did help Ranni steal it, and the Black Knife assassins were acting on her behalf, then what would her motivation be for killing her favored son Godwyn? Possibly to ensure that there was a Shattering, as Godwyn was the heir apparent. Or maybe to obstruct the Erdree's dogma by creating undead. Or maybe it just had to be done in order for Ranni to shed her body and great rune, as the cursemark had to be separately carved in two bodies, but keep her spirit, allowing her to move out of observation of the Fingers and the Greater Will. Maybe all of those things. But its hard for me to believe that, with her relation to the assassins, and her motivations, that she didnt collaborate with Ranni in some way.
Another thing i wanted to bring up was the Thorns on the Erdtree, which was the catalyst for you burning it. What we do know for sure from item descriptions and dialogue is that Marika "vessel of the Elden Ring and carrier of its vision" (AKA the Elden Beast) broke the Elden Ring(the beast), and then was imprisoned inside the Erdtree by the Fingers/Greater Will as punishment. But the Fingers are surprised when you are unable to enter the Erdtree. The Fingers are the envoy of the Greater Will, and the Elden Beast is its Vassal, they WANT you to go inside the tree and become Marika's consort, they "will it" so. If they put up the thorns to keep Marika in, why didn't they just let you in? Either they did NOT create the thorns as Marika's prison, and instead she was merely bound by the Ring as you see her when you enter, or they have lost control of the Thorns. After you return to the Fingers when you are barred passage they are communing with the Great Will on what to do next because of this dilemma, with no other option you are left with burning down the Erdtree. So, was there was some kind of miscommunication here between the Fingers and the Greater Will and the Elden Beast, or it was something they had no control over? Marika could have created the thorns so you would be forced to burn the tree down, and Melina would fulfil her purpose, or the Elden Beast sensed you as a threat somehow and denied you access. Either way, you burn down the tree and enter and fight Radagon, who is still on the side of the Elden Beast or just possessed by it, and the Elden Beast itself. I always wondered why the Elden Beast would attack you if you if you are just doing what you are supposed to, what the Greater Will wants, mending the Elden Ring. But it would obviously see you as a threat if you burned down the Erdtree, so I lean more to the side of Marika forcing your hand by putting up the Thorns, then having Melina guide you in the direction of burning it down, leading to the Elden Beast forcing your hand in killing it.
And to speak on endings for a bit, when you do defeat the Elden Beast, and chose to restore the Elden Ring, we don't really see what happens ultimately happens to the Ring or Marika, but we do see that the Erdtree is more or less restored to its old glory and you become Elden Lord. How does this fit with Marika's goals? Well, if the Ring now exists without the Beast then she got what she wanted, but if the Beast is revived or another beast takes its place, then her objective ultimately failed, unless YOU become the host of the Ring instead of her, but we dont know if thats the case since the ending is so vague. Since in all variations, the only ones where Marika's body disappears are the Age of Stars and Frenzied Lord, its in my opinion that what happens is what they tell you will happen, you become Elden Lord and Marika's Consort while Marika remains the host for the Ring. Considering how much Melina HATES the Frenzied Flame, and states her wish for you to become Elden Lord, its probably safe to assume that the Beast stays dead, and Marika is freed with the default endings, making them "Good Endings." But there is a leap to be taken in assuming that the Age of Stars is Marika's ultimate goal. For one, if we assume that she was indeed collaborating with Ranni the whole time then that is very strong evidence, two you still technically become a Lord which makes Melina's wishes still correct, three, Ranni comments on the battle being over when you summon her, showing that she had knowledge of the Elden Beast or Radagon's loyalties, either as an empyrean or through Marika, and four, Marika disappears into golden dust when Ranni holds her, as opposed to crumbling into ash during the Flame ending, an obviously better alternative. Plus no longer maidenless AMIRIGHT.
Either way, it seems Marika wanting the Elden Beast dead and presumably being freed from the Ring/Beast was the catalyst for the whole game. And in the end she gets her wish. So, good for her I guess.
- Anonymous
An interesting thing I noticed about Elden Ring and Dark Souls: Elden Ring's Age of Erdtree, with its association to the day, gold and light, can be likened to Age of Fire, with Marika as The Lands Between's Gwyn.
If so, then Ranni's ending, the Age of Stars, which is associated with night and the dark void of space, is the equivalent of Dark Souls' Age of Dark, the age that should've happened had Gwyn did not see the darkness as a threat and let it.
The difference between them is that Gwyn tried so hard in preventing the age he brought to being from fading which instead caused the slow, torturous and inevitable fading of the Age of Fire into darkness while Marika (SPOILERS) arranged things that led to the sudden and swift Shattering of the age that, in turn, opened up the possibility for a new age to occur, one that doesn't have to be one of darkness but an age that can be either better or worse, as if she wanted and worked to end the age she brought to being.
Guys Guys, the real question is, who is the best Elden Ring waifu (my opinion, Ranni)
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