Erdtree Seal | Elden Ring Wiki

"the Erdtree has dulled from its former radiance"? No wonder there's so many blindfolds and empty eyesockets in The Lands Between

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I can use it without meeting the faith requirement, is that normal?

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Theres a theory that this pattern was what the Elden ring looked like while Godfrey was Elden lord.

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The "Notes & Tips" says: "Incant scaling 353 at +10 with 80 Faith", but then the upgrade table says 243 at +10 with 80 Faith, is that an error or am I missing something?

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Highest scaling seal to use with Black Flame Blade incantation.

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"Erdtree Seal has 0 Weight, as opposed to the 1.5 that a lot of other Seals have. It's not a LOT lot in the grand scheme of things but if you're wanting heavier armor or a heavier weapon with your build it might save you some room to opt for this instead, even if you're not quite at the point yet where it exceeds Godslayer Seal or w/e"

Or W/E??? If you type as if you're thinking out loud then don't edit a wiki

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Keep in mind that healing incantations scale exclusively with the faith scaling of your seal. Like how magic damage exclusively scales with INT on a split-damage sword. So even if you're an ARC/FTH spellcaster, say level 125+, using the dragon communion seal, casting a healing spell with the erdtree seal will be more healing because of the S scaling with optimized stats. The difference is significant.

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This is the best seal in the game to accompany your pure faith dual wielding spellcasting. Have two seals that passively boost your incants of choice (such as godslayer). And use those for damage dealing spells that get buffed by the passive. Have erdtree seal in secondary slot purely for buffing weapons/healing.

Very versatile because of its 0 weight.

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To this day, I do not understand why this seal doesn't buff Erdtree incantations

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Pure Int: a visually distinct staff belonging to one of the most powerful sorcerers who ever lived with unique spell buffs and a powerful melee skill that makes running double staffs more viable.


Pure Faith: a visually indistinguishable seal that you find in a random dungeon with no lore significance, no unique buffs, and no skill.

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say "O ye, of little faith" before use to unlock its full potential.

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Why doesn't this buff erdtree incantations?

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Its easier to upgrade because it uses somber stones. Its great not having your weapons compete for smithing stones, at least until you get the bell bearings.

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With both the Godslayer's Seal and the Erdtree Seal fully upgraded, you would need literally 69 faith for the Erdtree seal to start outperforming Godslayer's. 308 vs 309. I wish I could make such a number up. I used the EIP Planner Build Calculator.

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This table is VERY out of date, and in no way reflects the actual incant scaling in game, currently the table that lists all the seals is accurate for this one. (This comment was made AT THE TIME, it's a fan wiki so someone more inclined can change these values.)

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The 0 weight is amazing if youre going for light rolls.

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I am using this for my JESUS CHRIST (THE LORD AND SAVIOR, SON OF GOD THE ALL-HIGH AND RIGHTEOUS LAMB OF THE FATHER) build, and it’s good. 80 Faith and I use only incantations and buffs to heal the host, while using WOG and Force to keep the invaders away. Sometimes, I can call down the righteous and holy wrath of the father above (the ONE TRUE GOD, THE MOST HIGH) and smite the invader with lightning spells too! Fun build.

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Can I use this to cast bestial vitality and magic fortification if I only have like 15 faith?

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Jesus

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Ok so is this seal better for dragon cult than the cult seal??? Or what is this optimal for

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I'd just like to point out that at +10 and 80 faith this seal has an actual attack rating of 346.

If you're running a seal-only incantation build, you can genuinely use this seal as a backup last resort melee weapon.

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anyone else mad this doesn't boost the power of erdtree incantations

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im very confident that the incant scaling comlumn is borked. 80 faith hits 350 ish on a +10 seal

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wrath of gold gains a boost in damage using this seal since it has holy damage as well and i would suggest users to use this than the golden older seal depending on your characters scaling and level

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You can actually get this at the very start of the game in about 10 minutes without fighting anything. It's actually one of the easiest seals to get once you're familiar with the path.

Just take the path around Stormveil and head straight to the academy. From there you can take the hidden entrance to volcano manner at the beginning of the level (stand on the ledge in front of the Carian Knight Set,check wiki for location, and let yourself be grabbed. You'll both fall down but you wont take fall damage. Then take the lift down and let yourself be grabbed by the abductor. Boom, instant Volcano Manner) Once there, drop drown to the lava and then up the stairs to the lift. At the top of the lift run past the Monk and activate the lever to raise the bridge. Run across the bridge and drop down right next to the first lizard. Once you're all the way to street level turn around and there's the erdtree seal. Tip: you can get back out by dying then running to the grace just before the twin abductor bosses. As long as your seated there you can fast travel again.

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You can actually get this at the very start of the game in about 10 minutes without fighting anything. It's actually one of the easiest seals to get once you're familiar with the path.

Just take the path around Stormveil and head straight to the academy. From there you can take the hidden entrance to volcano manner at the beginning of the level (stand on the ledge in front of the Carian Knight Set,check wiki for location, and let yourself be grabbed. You'll both fall down but you wont take fall damage. Then take the lift down and let yourself be grabbed by the abductor. Boom, instant Volcano Manner) Once there, drop drown to the lava and then up the stairs to the lift. At the top of the lift run past the Monk and activate the lever to raise the bridge. Run across the bridge and drop down right next to the first lizard. Once you're all the way to street level turn around and there's the erdtree seal. Tip: you can get back out by dying then running to the grace just before the twin abductor bosses. As long as your seated there you can fast travel again.

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So would this be better at dragon breath spells that the dragon seal thing, or is it genrally good with FAITH using spells but perhaps only neutral ones? I've hardly used magic in the game and only the glint stuff from hoseback. I realized VERY late I shouldn't sell unique items...

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Do you need to talk to Tanith in order to get this?

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This seal can be acquired very easily by fighting exactly one enemy - a man-serpent that's facing away from you. Get the beast-repellent torch (optional but recommended), get invited to the manor, and use the illusory wall to sneak-walk to the prison town site of grace. The snails will not attack you due to the torch. Ignore the very dangerous bloodhound knight; he will not see you.

Next, go outside and kill the man-serpent that's facing away from you. Drop down onto the roof that was right in front of him and immediately go right to a chimney thing. Next to the chimney is a gap inbetween two rooves; drop down through this gap. Now you should see a perfumer that's facing away from you, and near him is a very dangerous Omen. Sneak-walk behind the perfumer and make an immediate right just past him, enter the door and grab your seal. The Omen will not have seen you so you can fast-travel back out.

Voila, you have your seal! It's the highest-scaling pure-faith seal in the game, not by much, but it has the significant advantage of using somber smithing stones so it's really easy to upgrade.

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One advantage of the Erdtree Seal, that I'm not certain is being observed, is that it has 0 Weight, as opposed to the 1.5 that a lot of other Seals have. It's not a LOT lot in the grand scheme of things but if you're wanting heavier armor or a heavier weapon with your build it might save you some room to opt for this instead, even if you're not quite at the point yet where it exceeds Godslayer Seal or w/e.

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is this better than gravel stone seal for lightning incants at 80 fai

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Is this better than Beast Seal at 40/40 Strength and Faith? Or does the strength scaling on that seal make it better than this one?

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I can confirm that that Seal is better than the other ones when you reach 70-80 faith, not by much points at all, but it is better. I also tested the Fingerseal and the Godslayer Seal, all fully upgraded.

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Can anyone explain the incantation scaling line above the table? Really don't understand what is meant by that sentence and then what is stated in the incantation column.

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can someone explain the incantation scaling in the table? I don't understand what is meant by the xx-yy.

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can someone help with this? i am planing on teleport there too to get the Erdtree Seal early for my faith character, does going there that early do grab that break or skip any quests?

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can someone help with this? i am planing on teleport there too to get the Erdtree Seal early for my faith character, does going there that early do grab that break or skip any quests?

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No clue why this doesn't buff Erdtree Incantations

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Has 313 Incant scaling at +10 with 70 Faith, whilst Godslayer has 310 at the same stats & upgrade.

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for some reason this seal buffs healing and weapon buff type incantations. its not in the description, but idk if it is a bug or not. i hope not, cuz its fun to heal my entire 99 vigot health bar that takes half the screen from almost empty to fullwith this seal.

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It's pretty annoying that as a str/faith beastial build that this is always better as long as you meet the requirement. Even for beastial incants! Apparently those ~70 extra levels in str are more useless than 30 levels of faith.

ofc, lots of builds won't reach 40 faith so whatever I guess.

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I think the Erdtree Seal not Boosting Erdtree Incantations might be an oversight, or may be added in a future patch like NPC questline.

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Fun Fact: You can burn the thorns without even going to the Mountaintops by discarding a +10 Erdtree Seal at the base of the erdtree.

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Is it depicting 4 runes in the centre?

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The Aspects of the Crucible incantations are Erdtree incantations and they're offensive.

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>Literally erdtree seal
>Does not increasing efficiency of erdtree incantations
Why

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is this the best pure faith casting seal?

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All non-hot heals seem to scale purely off of faith I think. Not sure what's going on but this heals almost 2x the amount than say, Dragon Communion Seal.

Both Arcane and Faith at 80, I tested Erdtree Seal +10 and Dragon Communion Seal +10. The latter has higher incantation scaling than the former, mind you. So, I was expecting to heal just a little bit more with the Dragon Communion Seal.

So I took a good portion of damage, equipped both of the seals at the same time, then started casting. It took 3 Urgent Heal casts to get to almost full with the Erdtree Seal. Healing fully (with a little bit overheal) with the Dragon Communion Seal took 6. That's the complete opposite of what I was expecting, and the magnitude of difference is staggering.

In other words, if you are using healing spells, check this seal out; try using this instead of your other ones, and see the difference yourself. I hope this is a bug, otherwise Incantation Scaling and Healing Scaling needs to be two separate stats, as it is highly misleading.

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(PVE) Curious how a int faith realistic hybrid build with golden order seal compares to Erdtree seal scaling from just faith compares.

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Elden stars isn't the only offensive erdtree incantation

The black blade incantation is also an erdtree incantation

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this seal is actually really good for buffs instead of offensive incantations. by buffs i mean weapon element buffs and it also increase healing incantations by a lot

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A lot of people talking about dual wielding seals for more damage, but off-handing the Azur Glintstone Staff is probably a better bet. Saves you ~40 points of dex for cast speed. Cast speed usually equates to more DPS for bosses, and a higher chance of hitting your target in both PvE and PvP. I guess if you're not staying within meta PvP levels the saved dex points wont matter as much though.

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All of the vs Erdtree Seal posts are nul, means you aren't using it right. I've done extensive testing and it's obvious this is a main hand weapon. All of the other seals go in your offhand, pure caster with little to no defence. Switching between fire, lightning, dragon, etc, always switch your offhand weapon to that specific type(giants/dragon/communion) but also always keep Erdtree Seal as main hand and attack usage weapon. This gives you the boost of the specific damage type for the offhand but the scaling of the Erdtree Seal. Massive damage, and gives you a good reason to collect all the seals.

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All of the vs Erdtree Seal posts are nul, means you aren't using it right. I've done extensive testing and it's obvious this is a main hand weapon. All of the other seals go in your offhand, pure caster with little to no defence. Switching between fire, lightning, dragon, etc, always switch your offhand weapon to that specific type(giants/dragon/communion) but also always keep Erdtree Seal as main hand and attack usage weapon. This gives you the boost of the specific damage type for the offhand but the scaling of the Erdtree Seal. Massive damage, and gives you a good reason to collect all the seals.

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I've done some testing with "Erdtree Seal +10" and "Golden Order Seal +10".
1. Strength 25, Intelligence 75, Faith 75
2. Scaling: "Erdtree Seal" - 333, "Golden Order Seal" - 382
3. Regardless of the scaling amount "Erdtree Seal" gives much more damage through buffing weapons with such incantations as "Electrify Armament", "Order's Blade" and etc.
4. Output damage is higher with "Golden Order Seal" (was tested on "Godrick Soldier" near "Gatefront" grace using many incantations. For example - "Lightning Spear", resulting in 1160 damage against 1011 damage with no talismans).

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I've done some testing with "Erdtree Seal +10" and "Golden Order Seal +10".
1. Strength 25, Intelligence 75, Faith 75
2. Scaling: "Erdtree Seal" - 333, "Golden Order Seal" - 382
3. Regardless of the scaling amount "Erdtree Seal" gives much more damage through buffing weapons with such incantations as "Electrify Armament", "Order's Blade" and etc.
4. Output damage is higher with "Golden Order Seal" (was tested on "Godrick Soldier" near "Gatefront" grace using many incantations. For example - "Lightning Spear", resulting in 1160 damage against 1011 damage with no talismans).

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Wanted to test this myself to see if Godslayer's Seal, Finger Seal or Erdtree Seal were better than the others for generalist use of mixing different incantation schools. Hope to help people reach a conclusion. Going to be posting this on their respective pages for visibility.

Testing at different levels of Faith show that, upon being upgraded equally with the same Faith (for the most part), Godslayer's Seal is just every so slightly better than Finger Seal by a few points on Incantation scaling (286 vs 291 at +25 for both, 60 faith). The difference is smaller at lower levels of upgrades (like 1 point of scaling difference at +0) but Godslayer's is better by that tiny margin and has the Godslayer damage boost for every level of upgrade and faith.

Erdtree Seal only beats out Godslayer's at 69 faith (hehe funny number) by 1 point at +25 for both once again, and goes up to a 24 difference at 80 faith (329 vs 353). You also have to consider Godslayer's boost as well. After testing at basically every faith level from 69 to 99, Black Flame incantations do more on Godslayer at every level, but the difference is incredibly tiny to where if you're at that high level of Faith, it's not gonna matter, especially since you'd be using it to mix schools anyway. Sidenote: the scaling difference between Erdtree and Godslayer's is less at 99 (12 point difference), which is extremely weird but shouldn't really matter unless you really, really want to max out your faith past the soft-cap.

Or you can just equip Godslayer's in your off-hand for the boost lmao

In conclusion, Godslayer's is just plain better than Finger Seal whenever you can equip it. Why this balance is like this, I have no clue.
Erdtree Seal is better than Godslayer's at high faith (>=69), and gets much stronger up to 80.

Godslayer for low to medium Faith, Erdtree for very high Faith for generalist incantation users.

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The “Aspects of the crucible” incantations that the Crucible Knights use are described as also being “One of the ancient Erdtree incantations”. This would include them with the incantations listed above, shame that the Erdtree Seal doesn’t add a bonus to them like other seals do to their respective incantations. There’s three incantations that are part of the crucible knights set, they are: Breath, Tail, and Horns.

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+9 at 80 faith gives 336 scaling.

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lol i tought it was talisman when i get it

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lol i tought it was talisman when i get it

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Really feels like this should have at least had a small boost or time exension to the erdtree buff incantations.

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can anyone tell me what erdtree gives at 80 faith at +!0?

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Just finished some testing with this at +10 and Giant's seal at +25. Faith at 80 flat.

With the Erdtree Seal, Giantsflame Take Thee dealt 1384 damage to Vulgar Militia at the beast church (in the rain) without being aggro'd yet.
With the Giant's Seal, Giantsflame dealt 1437 damage. Same exact conditions, tested repeatedly for consistency.
However, if I held the Giant's Seal in my right hand and cast with the Erdtree Seal in my left hand, Giantsflame dealt 1650 damage. Same exact conditions, tested repeatedly for consistency.

If you're Faith hardcapped, this seal will give incant scaling over 350. The specialized seals will still deal higher overall damage with their respective schools somewhere around 300+ incant scaling - however, you gain that bonus simply from holding them, not necessarily from casting with them. You can get the best of both worlds by dual wielding seals, in case you want to really maximize your spell damage for a barrage.

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Also of note this Seal is 0 weight. If you're trying to min max weight loads

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so unless you choose to specialize into one specific "family" of incantations, this is the best one overall, correct?

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I did some testing with the Erdtree Seal vs. Godslayer's Seal. My Erdtree Seal is +9 (didn't want to use up my somber dragon stone) and my Godslayer's Seal is +25. My Faith is 80. I tested two spells; Lighting Spear and Black Flame. I only clicked LB and did not charge either spell. Lightning Spear with Erdtree Seal did 1020 damage, the Godslayer's seal did 998 damage. Black flame (including the burn damage) with Erdtree Seal did 660 damage, the Godslayer's Seal did 706 damage. Basically, if you want to use a variety of spells the Erdtree Seal is the best all-rounder. Godslayer's Seal is best for specifically using Godslayer incantations. My best advice is simply equip both and swap to the one you need depending on the situation, especially because you might need to change damage types based on what enemy you're facing. Hope that helps.

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For pure faith casters: It seems you can get the damage bonus from the specialized seals while just having them in your other hand. It worked for me with the godslayer seal but not with the gravel stone seal.

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does this serve a similar role as yorshka's chime did in ds3? (the main go to casting tool for high fth builds)

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This is only the best seal if you have extremely high faith above 60 if it's under that the finger seal is superior. I just wasted Sombers upgrading this for no reason because people don't know what they're talking about on here

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Is this only better with pure faith? At max rank my Finger Seal is still better and the only reason I can think of is that it's from the D strength scaling even though I only have 17 Str.

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This should boost Erdtree incantations :(

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So , this is the best seal if i want to just use electrify/poison armament , bloodflame blade and flame grand me strength ?

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This is actually the best all round seal for general use.

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More specific location instructions: From the Prison Town Church grace site, go out the southern door, turn west, and head down the trail. Kill the long neck snake boi with prejudice, head onto the rooftop right infront of it, then head North/West onto the next rooftop. Drop down when you get to the end, no fall damage, and you'll be next to two cells. Go through the open one, and bobs your uncle, you have the seal.

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cant be bothered to figure out how to edit pages here but note that the Erdtree Seal requieres Somber Smithing Stone's and NOT normal smithing stones

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If you want to mix schools, use erdtree. If you're maining a specific school (dragon cult, golden order, giants, godslayer, dragon communion, beast, frenzied flame) use their respective seals to get more power. I use pure lightning and some erdtree skills, but erdtree doesn't have a seal yet.

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This seal has a higher S scaling than the 3 others S scaling seals, it goes in this order : Erdtree Seal > Godslayer's seal > Finger Seal > Gravel Stone Seal.

While the scaling is higher its base incantation scaling is lower and only gets better than godslayer (that is in term of stats better than finger and gravel ) at 69 faith, where Godslayer seal has 308 and erdtree 309.

After that 70 the Erdtree Seal is better than all the others for general use and from my calculation I assume it's gonna be better than specialised seal in their respective areas at 80 faith, which isn't extremely high considering you get +5 to +10 with talismans fairly easily.

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As far as i can tell, (tested it against the gravel stone seal. When both the erdtree/gravel stone seal's are +10/25 so max. The gravelstone actually has higher incant scaling. That and it boosts dragon cults incantations, so im not sure why this one requires 40 faith when its literally worse than another that specializes at boosting a particular spell type.

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UwU

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How does this scale in comparison to the gravel stone seal? Is the dmg boost lightning spells better or the raw dmg scaling from erdtree seal? I just got both and don’t want to upgrade them both

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got this to +5 and my +20 Finger seal is still better. This seal will probably end up better when upgraded more but for now dont have the stones to upgrade

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Does anyone know if the holy damage on this seal gives incantations holy damage? If not then I dont see the point in the holy if it only works when punching.

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Is this seal better than gravel stone seal? Raw damage over lightning buffed damage??

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do none of seals scale harder than just a C rank?

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You may be better off just choosing a specific school of miracles and use the seal that boost them. This is more oriented to someone that wants to mix every kind of miracle.

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S at +6. It's an exellent allrounder.

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is this better than the finger seal?

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This seems like it might be the best pure faith sacred seal (for now)

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bad seal

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So this is the pure faith build seal?

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Best pure faith seal. God slayer might outperform at higher ranks, but for now.. this feels better considering its somber stones.

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Is this the best seal for pure faith builds?

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Pretty much the best one I’ve found so far for classic miracle builds above 40 faith.

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So... I'm guessing this is the best seal right? I randomly found and it was shocled to see a min FORTY faith to use it. Must be good!

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