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these rock hope we get more in the dlc

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These kind of seem like incantations lore-wise, but necromancy is seen as an intellectual pursuit in most fiction so it makes sense to be sorcery.

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Mechanically, isn't ghostflame just frost sorcery with a gimmick?

Couldn't they given a unique effect to death magic like blackflame? Maybe like your defenses de-buffed when continuously hit with them but it last very quickly?

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Death/Ghostflame weapons: int scaling. Death/Ghostflame spells: int/fth scaling. Themed build in the bin

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"Death Sorceries revolve around the death."

i mean you're technically right

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Why don’t weapons like death’s poker, rosus’s axe, family heads, helphens steeple, etc, have faith+int scaling? Even though these weapons seem obviously associated with death sorceries lorewise, the faith investment of death sorcery is completely wasted on these weapons, Miyazaki pls.

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It’s a shame few will know the real power of the Prince of Death’s Staff unless they bump Intelligence and Faith to 75 evenly. The few instances where the Greathood is actually handy.

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This is truly groundbreaking. I really appreciate FromSoftware making spells based around the leading cause of death in their games.

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Shhhhhh... you'll upset the voices...

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ADR only good here

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Ah yes: The cool looking, but crap magic.

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cast 2 ancient death's then a tibia, it does good stance damage

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The Corpse Bride: If I touch a burning candle, I can feel no pain. In the ice or in the sun, it's all the same. Yet I feel my heart is aching; thou it doesn't beat, it's breaking; and the pain here that I feel, try and tell me it's not real. I know that I am dead; yet it seems that I still have some tears to shed.

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i love how these pair with the golden order incantations, i can split int and faith and it benefits both, especially using the death staff and the golden order seal lol

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I want to do a full ghostflame build, but the sorceries and staff are int faith, while the Helphen's Steeple is int/strength and the Death's Poker/Ritual Spear are essentially dex weapons with an int requirement. The same thing goes for a magma build - the sorceries and staff are int faith, while the Magma Blade and Scalesword are strength/faith, the Magma Whip Candlestick is dex/faith and the Blasphemous Blade is... strength/dex/faith? The golden order incantations - int/faith, the sword - faith and kinda dex. Why is the only int/faith weapon in the game SoNAF??

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as someone with a SL150 pvp build that employs 70 int fth
these incantations are good fun but will not win outright, please for the love of all that is good, actually have other spells that COMPLIMENT the spells you use
rancor is good pressure and you can add more by throwing holy discs or quick moving int spells. you can also use it to hide what youre doing because they cant see you behind the hoard of skulls.

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Foe those of you cmplaining about the faith req just use the death staff. :/

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Wanted to make a ghostflame build but I see almost every death spell and ghostflame item is in the endgame sections

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How are these incantations? The INT is higher than Faith requirements.

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Rancorcall
skelton
Many skeleton chase
Skeleton chase boom
Boom
The homing on the skulls is strong.

Ancient Death Rancor
Use a skeleton. And if that don’t work, use more skeleton.

Explosive Ghostflame
Nuke

Tibia’s Summons
This spell is not the best.
But my goodness does it do damage.
It’s hard to hit though.
At least they’re trying.

Fia’s mist.
So.
Doesn’t work on most things
But it does work on mimic tears and players.
Charging is highly recommended if you do try to use it.
And.
Yeah.
Death Blight.

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For people unable to comprehend the concept of sorcery requiring faith or incantations requiring intelligence.. What makes this an issue? This is a game.. It was made by imaginations for imaginations. Come on now..

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I don’t really get why everyone’s mad that these have a faith requirement, hexes and pyromancies we’re the same way and it wasn’t really a big deal. What we really need is more weapons that actually scale with int+faith so hybrid casters can actually get rewarded for all that investment.

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Death sorceries needs a buff and probably more spells.

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Why not make a staff that can cast both sorceries and incantations at the same time like in DS2?
Also why not add sleep spells to this int/fth hybrid possibilities? Not all of them have to cause sleep, but it’ll be cool tho.

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Bring back Dark Bead pls From

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Don't tell this dude crying about multiple stat requirements about quality builds or DS3 pyromancy.

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tibia summons is badass
– if only they could walk...

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appearance wise : cool faith attacks ; )

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Miqualla : Faith
Death Prince : FAITH
God Of Stars : FAITH
so what, FROMSOFT games have always been about FAITH

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awesome INCANTATIONS

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Don’t be “MALD” that these require Faith, look on the bright side, if you lvl up Faith you become god of everything through one stat : )

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I hate INT, so happy that Faith is perfection of death & blood & cold & lightning

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Cool Incantations

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Rancor spells don't do great damage, but they can stagger and apply pressure on players. FROM doesn't hate INT just because a few spells don't fit your braindead playstyle of spamming sorcery like an idiot and trying to finish the fight as fast as possible.

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I hate the absolute lack of imagination of some eople in these comments.
Rancor spells don't do great damage but can stagger and apply pressure on other players in PVP. These guys can't think of any other way of playing other than spamming like an idiot and finishing the fights as fast as possible, and when they fail at doing so, they proceed to ***** about how FROMSOFT supposedly hates INT.

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"get him boys!"

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Am i the only one that really likes these spells? The ghostflame aesthetic is really cool and I don't mind the faith investment since a little faith can go a long way with some incants. Can't deny though dual typing between faith and int will mean you'll be a squishy punching bag

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The Problem is that..... never-ending

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Faith : death sorceries, destined death, black flames / godslaying, death blight, death lighting, darkness, cold.
Also Faith : Frenzied Flames, Fire Giant, Blood Flames, Fire Mook, Fire & Magma Dragon Breaths, magma sorceries
Faith : Erdtree + Two Fingers (healing, attack buffing, attack debuffing, defense buffing, etc.), blood sorceries, aspects of the crucible, golden order, Bestival attacks (rocks), etc.
Also Faith : Elden Stars (summon the coolest looking star creature to pursue foes), Wave of Gold (Northern Lights), Golden Land (more stars), + faith has a much cooler and stronger moonlight greatsword.
Faith : has better magic and frost applications (magic & frost dragons)
Faith : can shape-shift and easily one shot pvp players.
Faith : has so, si many unique and extremely hard to dodge ashs of war that can one-shot anyone.
Faith : can free-aim to one shot a team of 3 with one attack (e.g. giant's flae take thee, dragon breaths, unendurable frenzy flame, golden order, Lightning, blood (rivers of blood & mogh's spear deals Fire damage), wave of gold (Northern lights), blasphemous blade, crucible knight spear can be free aimed to one shot teams, beast claws can do 2k pvp damage with HOWL OF SHABRIRI, I can write to infinity about how much Faith is better than INT, I'm actually happy INT is horrible compared to Faith (actually I'm not). Anyways, that's my rant.........
Faith : scarlet rot, poison, plus faith has winged scythe (which has a skill so that you can't use flasks!!!!!!!!)
Faith : Lightning is so cool and strong !
Faith : has hundreds of amazing God like weapons, while INT doesn't.
Faith : God Of AOEs
Faith : God Of DPS
Faith : God Of Death
Faith : God Of Stars
Faith : God Of Blood
Faith : God Of Holy
Faith : God Of One-Shots
Faith : God Of Darkness
Faith : God Of Magic damage
Faith : God Of Frost
Faith : God Of Healing
Faith : God Of Buffing
Faith : God Of Debuffing
Faith : God Of Lightning
Faith : God Of Scarlet Rot
Faith : God Of Frenzy Flame
Faith : God Of Fire
Faith : GOD OF EVERYTHING

Solution : INT needs to be the only stat connected to Stars, Death, Cold, Lightning (int severely needs another damage type - golden fortification annihilate INT to the dirt.) & arcne needs to be the only stat connected to blood and they should add silver tear spells for arcane, etc.

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SHE COULD TELL RIGHT AWAY, I WAS BAD TO THE BONE.

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“FAITH HAS EVERY SINGLE DAMAGE TYPE WITH LITERALLY THE ONLY GODLY SPELLS AND WEAPONS ” (which are all incantations, while sorceries looks horrible in comparison. also FAITH vs. INT = Faith weapons are a trillion times more powerful and aesthetically appealing [period]

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So__C O O L__ : )

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somethings very off, makes no sense there are 60 dislikes, while no where get any likes, people are either negative either due to Covid or other stuff, but it’s mostly fake dislikes. Logically it doesn’t make sense .

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The problem is not that there should not be Faith requirements for sorceries and vice-versa, it's that this game specifically doesn't offer enough support for one to go the hybrid route, no weapons that benefit from both stats aside from SoNaF, which is cool as hell, but does not fit very well the hybrid spell themes and again, it's only ONE weapon. No way to infuse a weapon to scale with both stats, besides making a sacred/fire Clayman's Harpoon and magic/cold Erdsteel Dagger (please don't do this, they are amazing if you actually double on their natural scaling, split it and they get horrible), which is weird when you think DS3 had TWO infusions for int+faith.

Most hybrid sorc and incants are bad or very situational, some like Tibia Summons and Order's Blade feel like a bad joke, why the hell hybrid scaling still don't apply the secondary stat to buffs at this time of the century? Golden Order and Death weapons simply do not care if their respectives spells are supposed to be hybrids.

Add all of this to the fact that hybrids catalyst are horrendous (okay, Golden Order Seal is cool, but it buffs sacred spells, and sacred damage is a meme for the latter half of the game, which is the point one naturally finds the seal anyway), Gelmir Staff is terrible and Prince of Death's Staff is amazing but requires A LOT of commitment to make it work, in meta levels it is equally terrible.

While I agree a pure build should have more power than a hybrid since the latter has, in theory, more options, it does not matter when these options are so bad you'd better not be using them.

(All these problems basically go away with a 80/80 statline, where you basically become an unstoppable freaking god of magic, so if you like casters and don't mind getting to the 200+ levels, the effort is well worth it IMO)

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LET ME HELP THE FROMSOFT DEVS OUT......

INTELLIGENCE = SORCERIES
FAITH = INCARNATIONS

STOP WITH THESE GOOFY HYBRID SPELLS!!!!!!! NO ONE LIKES THIS!!!!!

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If something has a Faith requirement, ain’t it considered a Faith tool too ?

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Anon 20 Nov. 2022, pve means nothing, you can use anything to kill anything, it’s all about the aesthetics & pvp usability

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They need to add more Death Sorceries maybe in the DLC pls

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Downvotes incoming. Faith investment into these makes perfect sense and is not a wasted stat. You get the most harassing pvp spells to make space for higher damage spells or ashes. 35fth free aims with blasphemous blade... still hits like a truck while blue and red skulls chase my opponents. If they come at me just hit them with Rosus axe, blasphemous blade, Gelmirs fury, or ghost flame ignition. And I happily use black flame protection since it definitely fits the theme. Your preferred weapon tells you what your primary stat should be. I prefer rosus axe but like blasphemous blade so have good strength/int but just enough fth for good blasphemous returns and it still boosts fth damage. I’m also immune to barrier of gold since Rosus is high physical damage, rancors were low dmg anyways and I still have lots of fire damage. I only wish ghost flame were slightly faster and tibias summons/rosus L2 did pure physical. I guess people complaining wanted a more annoying and powerful version of star shower along with full access to buffs, armor, death blight/cold and fire damage. You might get the highest damage with min fth, but at the highest skill levels no one will get hit by a single skull or star shower anyways.

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so in classic fromsoft fashion, less than zero thought went into balance. in this game we have
Death sorceries - spells that require both faith and intelligence to use, yet deal pure magic damage so they only scale with intelligence
There is a weapon called deaths poker that fits this theme, which does a ghost flame ash of war that scales purely on intelligence and inexplicably unlike the sorceries this does not have faith requirements
So in summary doing a death sorcery build requires sinking as many as 30 levels into faith despite not a single aspect of the death sorceries or weapons being enhanced by faith, so the levels that go into faith yield no rewards, no damage increases and are an outright complete and utter waste.

These kind of problems should never have existed to begin with in the first place, doesn't take a genius to point out that either the death sorceries/ashes of war should include a faith scaling element or they shouldn't have faith requirements for no reason. Literally could no be easier yet a multi million dollar company thats been making the same game for decades couldn't figure that out. That's a painful level of incompetence

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Is there some dude spamming his whining about "F A I T H"? I agree that some int spells got shafted and some classifications (like magma and death) are underutilized but ffs it's annoying. More on topic, wish Fia's Mist had a lesser soul stifler or acid spraymist effect so it wasn't useless in most of PvE.

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Anon 02 Feb 2023 04: 05__ NAILED IT ! pretty much sums it . But honestly, how much did FROMSOFT drink to come up with Tibia Summons ? It's as if they were sober when making Faith, but got high when making INT ! ! ! I'm speechless

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Anon 02 Feb 2023 04: 05________________________________________________Damm your a savage ! In a good way though: S L A Y K I N G, S L A Y

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Wow, From really, really hate the idea of a hexer build. Literally the only dark themed spells in the game and all they amount to is stunlocking enemies kinda well. These definitely need a damage boost to be on par with the other spell types. The only truly good dark spells in this game are the black flame incantations.

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I didn't think it was possible to make Necromancy in a From Soft game boring, but they found a way.

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sucks that you need to have Faith stats to make a necromancer build… tbh FROM should’ve made necromancy, death, deathblight, death lightning, destined death, death sorceries, god slaying black/whites flames only have Intelligence requirements and only scale with Intelligence. Because Faith is connected to death and blood… there’s no point in looking forward for any expansions to Elden Ring

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Similar to the Golden Order spells, Death sorceries become pretty good with 80/80 int/fth, but even at 150 it's impossible to make a good build that hits that target. They're fun to play around with at level 180+ otherwise I'd avoid these spells. Also the fire sorceries just seem way better all around.

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Pvp beast Paladin build here. I hate the seeking skulls.

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if you invest a little extra faith for shabriri's howl, these spells can go from a swarm of wet farts to a swarm of hunter killer drones

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Would u be able to do a mad alberich build w death and frenzy flame spells?

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Idk why people crap on these sorceries. I don’t think they know how to fully utilize these spells. death rancor and tibias summons eat away bosses’ poise pretty well, they’re basically a long range/tracking uncharged heavy attack(charged heavy attack if you charge ancient death rancor). They absolutely shred poise when paired up with a heavy or colossal weapons. Fia’s mist helps deny area for invasions and explosive ghost flame is almost guaranteed to frost proc and it does decent poise damage. I’ve been running a death sorcery build and I’ve been having a blast with it, I think these spells are just misunderstood and people expect them to perform similarly with the conventional ones.

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Death sorceries are great in PVE but require such high stat investment to actually pay off. 65 and above is where I say the best payoff. But you're only at 40 vigor. Heavily reliant on defense buffs to not get cheesed.

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BONE

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They still deal little damage pve-wise. But the rancors are great combo-setup due to high poise damage and can even break stance of big bosses fast. The int/faith incantations in the other hand are quite strong by themselves

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To All previous comments these all just got buffed 1.07

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small indie game company moment. Balance your game so that 80% of the content within doesn't get ignored (impossible). pepega xd lol

me using the absolute best gigachad spell in the game (fia's fartcloud) on the soldier of godrick: dies on the first sniff (it needs a nerf)
me using the extremely underpowered RoB weapon art on soldier of godrick: unfazed (it's underpowered and needs a 100% damage buff)
Me using tibia summ- (i instantly won elden ring)

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These seem to only be good at super low level or super high level and nowhere else

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So sad only one does death blight

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if they're hardly going to give us any int/faith weapons it would be cool to have a spell that buffs your weapon with ghostflame and adds faith/int scaling

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My theory as to why death sorceries (as well as magma sorceries, to some extent) are so underpowered is that Fromsoft probably only tested these spells at 80/80 hard-cap, and then generated spell/sorcery scaling by putting them into an algorithm and called it a day. This is the reason as to why death sorceries scale really well at 80/80 with the Prince of Death Staff, but suffers immensely with stats lower than 60/60 because the scaling becomes WAY too thin to the point where these spells are horrible to use EVEN with regular staves. Part of the problem also has to do with how hybrid staves were balanced overall, but that's another topic.

Basically, in order for death spells to work properly, you'd need at least ~350 sorcery scaling or more for them to actually scale well REGARDLESS of which staff you are using. As in matter of fact, Carian Regal Scepter at 80 intelligence with an investment of 30 faith is unironically more doable in a single NG cycle vs. grinding to 80/80 with Prince of Death's Staff due to how thin death sorcery scales with sorcery scaling.

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these spells honestly feel bugged. they dont feel like they're affected by staff scaling at all

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If these spells didnt require so much intelligence and faith they might've actually been solid

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Yeah these spells need a buff but I think people are also building their death builds wrong. Play like a paladin instead of a mage and use spells to support melee. You’re a paladin but with magic/cold infusion and your spells have absurd tracking/duration to pin people down for you to smite.

Grab blue/red feather talismans to stack with royal remains armor, I get so much hate mail for being unkillable this way. Mausoleum knight armor works too and you can sprinkle bull goat in. Just have minimum stats for explosive ghost flame, 16 mind (spells are cheap) and 60 vigor. Then focus on what weapon you want, there’s so many weapons that fit the death theme. Frozen mist ash of war is my favorite and, on celebrants skull great hammer, it will poise against other great hammers. Butchers knife/great stars will heal you while your opponent is in frozen mist. Sacrificial axe/morning star do well with wild swings. Endure let’s you poise cast. Rosus axe L2 has insane hyper armor. Eclipse shotel/roses axe fit hussar theme of mausoleum armor. Family heads/helphens steeple have wide circular swings that will shut down people roll into you and helphens r2 has a lot of range. And ritual spear/death poker give you new spells that are really good at hitting people pinned by rancor.

For flask I recommend regen or int/ fth boost. In PVE you’ll focus on frost and taking aggro, for pvp you’ll use frozen/poison/Fias mist to protect your spell casting/regen and use the rancor’s to pin people down for a melee attack from the mist. Tibias summon seems useless but spam it then catch people with explosive ghost flame since they have the same animation. Reset frost in PVE with rykards rancor but do not do so in pvp, since the debuff is better in lower health pools.

I use sunless shield for fashion... but twin bird is way better and stacks on the branch sword talismans/royal remains armor and will hold up well in pvp too. Eclipse heater shield naturally fits well with mausoleum armor f you choose that.

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between the death sorceries, ghostflame, black flame incants, and weapons that channel the rune of death, dark damage definitely had a home in this game. its a damn shame

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Would've been cool if all the Deathbird / Hex weapons were also int/faith to compliment these. But nah, they're either primarily int or quality scaling.

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The way these were implemented is an utter travesty. Tibias summons is so underwhelming and non-functional, it seems like they didn’t even test it before putting it in the game. The damage from even the best sorcery from this family, Ancient Death Rancor, is underwhelming compared to even the most elementary of pure glintstone sorceries at higher levels. Prince of Death staff requires so much stats to get decent sorcery scaling, yet the damage you get is pathetic. Severely needs a buff.

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These are very close to being good, AD Rancor is decent. I'd like to see the Ds2 and Ds3 scaling for PoD staff, where 30/30-40/40 is equal to 60-80 Int/Fth. Same for Golden Order incants.

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They should give every death, /magma/golden order related weapon at least a D scaling in int/faith.

I want to use these spells but putting points into faith knowing that it will do nothing for my damage output doesn't help at all. If helphen's steeple had even E Faith scaling however that would ve been a different story.


Once again from puts out content and ideas just for them to ruin it by asinine design decisions, nothing new.

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give us pyromancy back as its own separate class :(

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All death spells must cause freezing buildup. And not just Explosive Ghostflame.
Ancient Death Rancor, Rancorcall and Tibia's Summons are all very erratic spells, it's very rare that they hit the target completely. That they cause freezing would be a good way to make them more functional.

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Let me get this straight: int/faith builds get the death, magma, and thorn sorceries, as well as the golden order incants, all of which are the weakest groups of spells in their respective categories with maybe one or two exceptions. On top of that, the scaling on the PoD and Gelmir staffs are both broken so that the only way to get good spell buff out of them is to get 70/70+ in each stat, meaning that the golden order seal is the only casting tool that could reasonably work without power leveling yourself drastically or moving to ng+. And to top it all off, there are a tiny handful of weapons in the entire game that scale with both int and faith and the only one that seems good is the Sword of Night and Flame, not to mention that other weapons associated with death like the Death’s Poker and Helphen’s Streeple have no faith scaling at all for some reason.

So what is even the incentive to do an int/faith build at this point? I don’t care about pvp or meta level stuff at all, but it seems like you’d struggle to even deal decent damage in pve unless you drastically over level yourself, and at that point you could just do a pure int or faith build with much more success. I personally think all of the int/faith stuff is really cool and would love to do a dedicated build with them, but they all desperately need buffs and a wider array of weapon choices. Maybe I don’t understand it, and if someone knows better than me about this then I’d love to know cause I’m all for making an int/faith build work on a proper playthrough.

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Death sorceries should do frost build up like the death enemies and death weapons do. Prince of deaths staff needs a big buff too, its actually a 10% bonus to death sorceries, not the 30% I keep seeing.

At 70/70 it is 378 for 120 levels in int and faith vs carian regal being 373 at 80 int for 70 levels. 50 whole levels just to be on par with a single stat staff. 80/80 for 430 is not much better since thats equivalent to 140 levels, 2x the levels required for regal staff with only 15% more damage.

It should be 430 at 60/60 as its softcap. 100 levels for 430 death staff or 70 levels for 373 regal staff is a far better trade off. Change the bonus from 10% to 20% at least and its looking good. Gelmir staff suffers similarly.

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All requirements need to be reduced for these. Not to mention buffs across the board right now playing a death mage or even death battlemage is impossible unless you hit 125 or 150 to get hard damage and by then it won't matter in PVP. Sloppy job fromsoft.

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Kinda weird that Death’s Poker and Helphen get boosted by INT only despite being related to death and stuff.

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Disappointing... was expecting to melt everything with these, sacrificing points into FTH for underwhelming damage and stagger? nah. not worth it. I was wanting to make a build with steeple greatsword on one hand and prince of death staff on the other... dont bother. My thoughts:
1- rancor call and ancient death of rancor should be the same - tap for rancor call, hold button for ancient death of rancor
2- tibia summons - summon that large crazy skeleton that shoots lasers and then disappears instead of 3 skeletons that whiff 99% of the time
3- fia's mist - kills human enemies
4- explosive ghostflame - should be more powerful and flame lingers for a while on the ground
5- all death sorcercies should scale with both INT and FTH

Ah well, next: STR/FTH build...

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The only good spell here is Ancient Death of Rancor, with decent damage for FP cost, quick chain cast, and good stagger potential. Tibia summons is practically useless unless the enemy is stationary and the damage isn't high enough to kill them most of the time. Fia's mist is useless in PvE. Rancor call sucks for the amount it cost vs the damage dealt. And Explosive Ghost flame is extremely situational because it's practically impossible to get off in a group of enemies without being staggered, which negates it's AOE.

All things considered, you basically have 1 useful Death Sorcery spell, and another that you'd have to be lucky to get off. Disappointing over all, especially compared to Incantations of the same FP cost.

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I hope they get buffed. Otherwise these spells are way too stat hungry. I feel like they are outclassed by most of the other sorceries. Also 5 pretty but not very good spells is kinda heartbreaking. I loved dark builds in dark souls. From soft didn't take all the good stuff from DS2. The beautiful variety of dark magic was left behind. Imo DS2 has THE superior selection of dark or necromancy like spells in all of the games. Good times. I hope they will at some point give us more reason to invest so heavily into int and faith. Rancor spells do nice posture damage but lack actual damage, explosive ghostflame deals very good damage but is slower than my grandma, fias mist is okay but not that useful and tibias summons is just trash. Summons would've been decent if it would summon 3 skeletons by your side then run toward your locked on enemy, do one attack and vanish. Could've been great. It doesn’t even need to do high damage.. It could have been a very good spell for putting pressure on your foe. Well.. We got a super easy to dodge spell that most of the time doesn’t hit anything. What a shame.

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I wouldn't mind getting some of those Death Bird spells, like that feather-rain, or those Giant Skeleton eye-lasers.

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Post 1.04 Death Spells are slightly better but still not great. Only good ones worth the investment are the Rancorcalls because you can just spam then and stagger, the others are still not worth using.

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I'm disappointed that patch 1.04 buffed the other death spells except for Rancorcall and Death Rancor. These two spells didn't need to be buffed damage-wise but rather needed a level scaling revision as they are NOT worth using until you've made a huge stat investment in them. I do not agree with the idea that these spells are not meant "to do damage" and are meant to stagger an enemy. Why waste a bunch of fp to stagger an enemy when you can just cast two Glintstone Shards to kill an enemy? These are the only two spells where the scaling is absolutely horrible while no other spells has this bad of a scaling in the beginning. One Glintstone Pebble outdamages Rancorcall at early levels and Rancorcall costs double the fp to cast and hits like a wet noodle. Hopefully these two spells get a revision in the next patch to do better damage early game.

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Fia's mist is completely garbage, doesn't work on anyone.

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So you added a theme of spells that require casters to invest in int and fth, but only gave them a single weapon that scales off those two stats? Are you actually kidding me From?

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I actually think death sorceries are bugged - like specifically looking at ghostflame explosion. It should easily cause frostbite similar to Death Poker but it does not, the trails do little to no damage. Something is definitely wrong when a 8 second cast spell does 1400 damage with no status effect with +25/+10 staves and full talismans buffing it. Im really hoping they get some kind of change in a future patch since I love this concept.

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Do death sorceries deal in any stat effects?

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I will say, I think it really depends on the circumstances. More often than not the damage is lacking for Death Spells, but for Ancient Death of Rancor I think I've found the perfect use for it.
Have a mimic distract a boss. Get a bit of distance... then just start casting it over and over. Here's the beauty of it. Because it's so slow, the first wave doesn't hit until you've already cast it for the 4th or 5th time. By then, you just dodge as the boss's health bar melts away. It's more or less destroying the first phase of the final boss on NG+. (Not sure what the policy is on spoilers so keeping it vague)

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All of the people trying to help out with weapon suggestions for "Hexer" builds. All weapons that are mentioned are Int scaling. Deaths poker, Stevens Steeple, Family heads, etc, despite fitting together thematically with the five utterly garbage death hexes.... They are all int scaling. :)
Hex builds only have one useful weapon, or no... they only have ONE weapon in total. It's the sword of night and flame... And that doesn't even fit with the build thematically.

They need to rework the entire logic, or lack thereof, behind hexes as a category.
Fromsoft should patch Hexes and the scaling and requirements of some weapons that fit the theme, like the weapons that people mentioned.
According to the lore the Lava sorceries are also Hexes... So they should do something with that as well. Currently we have to staffs with useless scaling and sword of night and flame... Just, make those two staffs usable. Make them complement each other, make them increase ALL hexes, both lava and death spells and give one of them scaling that works a bit more on int and another one that works a bit more on fth. Or give one of them a special weapon art, do something...


I know some smartass is going to get triggered by this but: Dark Souls 2 did hexes right, in a broader sense DS2 got build variety right. Including the weapons to back that build variety up. We all know Elden Ring isn't DS2, but what DS2 did with its builds worked (also obviously powerstancing worked since they brought that back)

If not with a patch, i hope they take a good hard look at DS2 and sort this **** out in a DLC.


And no, i'm not ok. I'm malding.

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The sheer stat and resource investment into making these spells deal decent damage is crazy high. These spells will only be decent to good when nearing end game. Yeah you basically have to beat the game to make these somewhat useful. Sure rancorcall can stagger but at early levels glintstone pebble deals almost twice the damage of a charged rancorcall. ALMOST TWICE the damage. You wont be killing anything with this til late game. Even then you got better choices. I would rather use magma sorceries as they are good and have similar stat requirements

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What damage type is this?

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I really wish every spell type was more expansive and had its own super spell such as comet azur and meteorite of astel. Death sorceries could have the giant skeleton summon to cast like tibia’s summons and blood sorceries could have a spell version of the mohg spear ash of war. As it stands, the lava super spell, gelmir’s fury, needs a serious range buff to be fully effective. Crystal sorceries have crystal torrent which is basically comet azur. Night sorceries have eternal darkness which is actually useful. And frost sorceries have adula’s moonblade. I’m not sure why only some magic categories get one spell that is the equivalent of a Skyrim master spell and some just don’t. Ruins the feel of mastering one type of you don’t get one giant spell to cap it all off

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Did they put rykard's rancor in a different class just to make sure this one was even more pointless?

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