Sorceries | Elden Ring Wiki

Only scholar's armament for weapon enchantment?

What? I just now realized this.

There should be more enchantments than this.

Sorceries always feel a bit underwhelming and unimaginative after I discover them all.

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I miss the white dragon's breath. Hopefully it returns in the DLC

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Come level intelligence, we have:

-30 variants of the same spell
-worthless utility spells
-5 actually cool things that require 100 stats to use
-400 hp

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Cursed idea: Yellow glint stone spells that are madness themed, and they come with the silly yellow hat that's in all souls games.

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mfw the most cool spells take faith but the only cool weapons that don't get nuked by split damage are pure faith or pure int exclusively

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theres like 3 of these worth using

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if we get 10 more variations of blue rock that does damage spells in dlc im gonna flip out

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The magical mystery tour is coming to take you away...

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I wish we had more thorn sorceries and they were more viable, red magic is so cool.... same thing with magma sorceries..

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Briars of Sin and Zamor Ice Storm need a buff, I agree. Thorn sorceries are cool but kinda trash sadly.

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Night sorceries are the best for PvE, since enemies/bosses/NPC will not react to them. Night shard is the best for PvP since it’s fast and boosted by offhand Staff of Loss. I’ve sent countless hosts/gankers to hell using that spell alone.

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Intelligence review:
Very good in elden ring. Easy to improve in the early game, with some of the best staffs and talismans availible in liurnia.
Int allows you to deal high magic damage, but you are largely restricted to this damage type. Thankfully, not many enemies are resistant and there are many ways to boost magic damage, such as terra magica.
Spells are not very diverse. What you end up mostly using is some variation of glinstone pebble, but there are some interesting spells like the gravity, magma and sword ones which can add to the playstyle. Also, some look pretty cool or have interesting effects, like the night sorceries. The two "stars" primeval sorceries are my favourite, they look very cool. Regardless, it is always satisfying to fire a blue ICBM at your enemies and delete their health bar.
As for tools, mages have many staves and weapons to choose from. Most have a specific perk or bonus to using them, but not all are are practically viable, such as the prince of death staff. Some become irrelevant at high levels, some require a very high level, and some are not useful outside of their respective school of magic. This adds "flavour" to the staves and allows the player to direct their character towards an interesting playstyle if they choose to. But this also means some staves are useless at pvp levels, if you are into "pvp optimisation". In terms of weapons, there are many powerful options. Mages can easily deal frostbite to their enemies and use powerful weapon skills to take out foes. Some weapons have considerable requirements, and most hybrid builds perform better at higher levels, but they are good regardless.
Overall, intelligence allows players to deal high damage in a short time whilst staying at a distance. There is a good level of customisation within the role of mage, but a considerble lack of diversity in spells. You are largely restricted to one damage type. But the magnitude of magic damage dealt can account for this. Magic weapons are also quite powerful, and can become a primary damage source if you want. Intelligence and magic is very good in elden ring.

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I wish there were magic catalysts other then just staves, purely from a aesthetic point of view. Let me wield a magic tome or something a little more visually interesting.

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It's actually kinda sad how pyromancies and dark hexes went from being int/faith and dark damage to just faith and magic damage in this game. The staffs are built such that you have to invest purely/mostly in int to get decent damage at pvp meta levels, with less options for hybridisation. And the sorceries if you build this way are mostly limited to different flavors of pew pew, some magic swords, a few rocks and a handful of frost spells. Meanwhile, pure faith incantations get fire damage, lightning damage, physical damage, heals, heal over time, damage negation buffs, overall damage buffs, and with a little bit of hybridisation, also get magic damage and frost, bloodflame spells, holy discus.

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Some spells need to be buffed, especially in PvP
For example : Carian Slicer should do more poise damage, Zamor Ice Storm and Briars of Sin casting speed needs to be faster, Carian Greatsword should have hyperarmor, Comet should have a longer range, Loretta's Greatbow damage should be increased, etc.. etc...

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Not being able to add supplement ash of War spells to staves like Waves of Darkness, Golden Land, Black Flame Tornado is actually miserable and needs to be looked at in future. Sorcery still stiff asf compared to incantation synergies. Running crucible incantations alongside rot and blood allowed a druid/polymorph type caster with heaps of stuff to hold interest. Sorcery is so 'stand there and pew' it's dull.

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WHAT KIND OF MAGIC SPELL TO USE?

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Sword of Night and Flame + Gelmir Staff and using magma/cold sorceries by far my favorite sorcery build. In PvP I'll open w/ a Rykard's Rancor and then combo w/ Adula's Moonblade/Stars of Ruin/WA Comet at range, if they charge in use Zamor Ice Storm/WA Flame. Area control w/ Roiling Magma. Finish w/ Gelmir's Fury if they close in when their health is low. Super fun mix-ups.

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There are two types of Mage builds:
1. The braindead FP guzzling spammers.
2. The mages who took the time to learn the properties of each spell and mix them in fun or clever combos.

Which one are you going to be?

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There really need to be more low requirement utility type sorceries. weapons like the ruin greatsword and meteoric ore blade excel on pure str, but getting the minimum int just to not use any of it just seems like poor stat management. I'd love to see more stuff like scholars armament and thops barrier, just to make use out of your int.

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People in the comments like "muh fp efficiency!". Your only making fights last longer and more threatening by needing to use more spells cause 1 doesn't do the job. Especially in late game areas. I'm not risking my ass throwing pebbles at farum azula beastmen cause they dodge that ****, I throw a comet at their ass 1 shot and move on. You got 7 fp flasks and like 200fp. Go nuts. Don't complain about spell variety if you keep limiting yourself with efficiency. Glintsone stars may be more fp efficient. But stars of ruin throws 12 and will finish the job quicker.

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Use the cerulean tear and Meteorite of Astel and whoosh, easy boss kills through the whole game.

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WORD OF ADVICE If you are trying to make an efficient Mage build. DO NOT over-rely on Spells that consume too much FP per cast (20-40)
You must use spells that are basic but hit more reliably. (Swift Glintstone Shard, Glintstone Pebble, etc)
You must use trick spells that are for set-ups. (Magic Downpour, Magic Glintblade, Terra Magica)
You must use melee spells. (Carian Slicer, Carian Piercer, etc)
Trying using multiple staves with passive effects, for certain spells, on your off-hand.
Raise Intelligence (50-80)

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I hope we get more sorcery variety in the future, incantations get all the cool toys

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Mage sucks in this they should have kept dual catalysts and weapon catalysts

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Mage

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playing mage is so free in this game compared to the souls games, its unreal.

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i really like the "blue projectile" and "blue projectile but does more damage" spells, they're really cool and interesting

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D.A.R.E. to say no to sorcery

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“Hey let’s bring back int+faith spells, and throw in a few arc+int too cause why not,”

“And let’s also make exactly one weapon scale with int+faith and theme it after none of them, and make the weapons that are themed after them scale purely with intelligence, and also make it so there’s no way to infuse your weapon to scale with int+faith.”

Thank you Miyazaki

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i sure do love that 90% of these spells are just some variation of "fire blue projectile". meanwhile incantations have lightning, fire, dragon attacks, divine incantation, rocks, most status effects, animal imitation and scarlet aeonia. sorceries are so boring.

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There's so many different groups of sorceries but almost none of them have enough spells to justify building exclusively around that group. Kinda makes any staff passive pointless.

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So nice that a quarter of these sorceries require decent investment in Faith. Yeah, seems right.

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glintstone seems so lame compared to carian ngl. im sure it gets the job done but "blue dot" spells aren't very fun to use imo

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Sorcery is a million times more fun when you don’t use comet azur and still do melee

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If the DLC will be concerning Godwyn and his death and rebirth into the Prince of Death, will we get sorcery that's embodies that theme?

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Uh I favor melee but my mage builds always combo'd in these games being quite effective. I'm glad they fixed chain casting... From a pvp stand point you were supposed to have to set up different spells with different tracking, speed, and mix in melee spells and pokes from weapons and when you finally hit it was like a truck and usually multiple spells... The trade off was you could cheese most of PvE... JS casters are still good in PvP. Sorcerer more so than faith but that's been a thing for multiple games and faith can still work too

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I will NEVER play a pure sorcerer
....solely for the reason that it looks like I'm going skiing. The power stance staves look so silly. If they had seal that increased casting speed I'd think about it.

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for the life of me I cant make a fun sorc build. I've tried almost all of them (yes even thorns and bubbles), and I always just fall back on incantations

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praying for a death, magma, and thorn sorc rework. the damage scaling is so wack

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Why'd they remove (compared to ds3) the two all sorceries- and all mircale- achievements in favor of one that requires you to get all legendary incantations and legendary sorceries on the same char tho? I get why it's only the legendaries instead of ALL, but who in their right mind, except achievement hunters, would get them on the same character in a normal playthrough?

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If you want to see what dynamic staff spellcasting looks like, cast your eye over to Kingdoms of Amalur and ask yourself why we're still stood there like statues firing the same variations of the same blue dot for fifteen years.

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Let us pray they add back chain casting one day and balance spell casting speed with it so we don't get another instant MEGA dragon magma explosion incident as well as free gravel hammer instant counters. There really wasn't a need to gut the entire thing as it made spells feel a lot slower and makes people spam the same thing more instead of having unique mix ups. The old system really did feel so smooth and fun with 95% of the spells and spells like dragon claw were only good because it could be chaincasted for a slightly faster cast speed because of it.

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compared to incants, i feel like sorceries just have so much less variety in stuff that's actually good.

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How does this school of magic compare to the ds1 - ds3? Did it handle it well?

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Can I recommend having dark moon great sword or wing of astel on your int build to have some melee coverage as well as a strong heavy ranged attack

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probably a good idea to have sorceries that proc frost X fire sorceries as well, bc enemies that are resistant to magic are weak fire

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Is it possible to get an inventory sorted sorceries, just like the incantations and spirit ashes page ?

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All I can say is, comet azur is considered a stone digger sorcery moon blade is a full moon, and most of all gavel is carian. You might say, so the **** what? Well with things like buffing your spells with stacked scaling intricacy is paramount. In case you don’t know you can buff sheer scaling items like erdtree seal or lusats staff with your left hand, so there is a reason to power stance staves or seals

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Gotta say I'm pretty disappointed with sorcery so far. I came from a STR faith build, and respeced to int dex.
I actually put 10 additional points in int than I had in faith... And so far I'm eating through FP faster and doing less damage.
And every spell basically looks the same as operates similarly...
Once again FromSoft leaves sorcery lacking, which is unfortunate. (Except DS2, of course)

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Wish this page would have an option that lists them in the order they appear in the in game menu, since in game there's no alphabetical option

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Since there is a lot of people that don't understand how boosting sorceries work here's the TL;DR. Think of using a boosting staff like powerstancing melee wpns but sorcerer edition (that goes for seals too btw). Yes, you can try to min max them if you so choose and wanna complicate things for yourself but the way to go is this: You use your most powerful staff in your right hand, and use the boosting staff in your left hand while you cast. For example, I use Rock Sling with the Carian Regal staff with a shield in my left hand, it does 750 damage. Now if I trade off the shield for the Meteorite staff and cast Rock Sling with my Carian Regal staff, it does 1000 damage. Same goes for Night Comet if you equip the Staff of loss in your left hand, for casting speed with the Azur staff etc etc etc. Just like powerstancing, you trade off defense for offense. And you don't need to upgrade the boosting staff, you only need to hold if in your hand while casting.

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For quality of life’s sake in terms of this wiki, could there be an option to sort these by their appearance in the inventory? Even on other pages like incants or armor or talismans this would be extremely helpful to quickly figure out what you’re missing.

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We need snow staff. I’m using a maxed out azur staff(94 int) and my snow spells SUCK

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PLEASE SORT THESE LIKE THEY APPEAR IN-GAME, and NOT in some made-up/head-canon categories like "Moon Sorceries" and "Loretta' s Sorceries". This makes it way harder to find the ones I missed.

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Why are the Stonedigger sorceries in the Glintstone type when they are their own type? Can someone fix that?

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Can we get Astel of the Naturalborns Teleport and levitation AoE in the DLC or we still good with Rock Sling.

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ambush shard is not a night sorcery. sadly.

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The list when sorted "sorceries by type" is missing Crystal Barrage

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Real talk, can people give guidance on how a staff user with full sorcery build can handle themselves in pvp other than being a ranged mortar for someone else because you cannot gap close, punish or keep distance with cast times, squishiness and zero poise nor can you hit anyone with any of the 20 blue projectiles. Wooden, vulnerable unreactive casting animations and no spell utility whatsoever.

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Something I think would be cool would have been a sorta 'conjuration' class of sorcery, kinda like how Rennala summons the wolves/bloodhound knight/dragon in her 2nd phase, conjuration style spells could be like you have to have a constant stream of FP but it's like an extra summon that'll attack enemies or you could do specific moves from enemies using these style sorceries, like maybe a conjuration style sorcery would be a crucible knight that just the simple 3-hit combo with the sword they do but once you cast it the crucible knight would target the person till it finished and try to move forward to get to them, I think it would suck for PVP (Not suck as in be bad, suck as be annoying to fight against) but it could be cool, I mostly got this idea from the second phase rennala fight and thought "It would be cool to have things like that"

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Info to find Terra Magica is too vague. Behind the elevator WHERE?

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mmmm happy spells:)

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how to deal with shields? seems if npc blocking it reduse damage even if hit in back

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In the DLC(s), Im hoping there will be: more Death spells, Sleep spells in general, more lava sorceries, seals/staves that can cast other types of spells (like the White Hair Talisman from DS3), and some more Thorn sorceries

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I wish there was a good lightning sorcery, why do incantations get them all?

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Aaand they deleted chain casting different spells. Great, now prepare for boring stars of ruin and swift shards spammers, cause nothing else will ever hit long range.

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One thing I think would be super cool to see here is FGC-esque frame data of sorceries and incantations. That is to say, how many frames (or milliseconds) each spell takes to charge up at its slowest, then at max speed, as well as charge frames, recovery frames, stun time on hit, etc. That would really let PvP go wild because it would allow for so much in terms of figuring out what the true combos are, so on and so forth. Just a thought!

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Just remember magic is the art of souls and no better than the demons.

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Mage is crazy OP, most bosses go down in 2-3 Azur casts, even without magic-boosting talismans or dual wielding staffs. Throw in Spirit Ashes and bossfights become terribly boring. As a bonus, Mimic Tear (spirit) works great when combing these spells.

Quick rundown of the best spells: Pebble, economic and useful until the end. Night Maiden's Mist, economic AoE spell, perfect for cheesing while you're unreachable (stack with Pebble for economic poisonous flower smashing). Rock Sling, easy stuns, boosted by Meteorite staff (the early game pro staff), lets you farm dragons easily as soon as you get it (also works great against the Gelmir boss, even without the gimmick spear). Loretta's Greatbow, midrange-economic roaming spell, very useful on open plains and as an opener, also highly cheesable. Comet Azur, the ultimate bosskiller (also great while roaming and have plenty of FP to waste). Greatblade Phalanx, great to pre-buff for a fight, can stun (all sword magic can), wrecks NPC invaders as they can't dodge it (including the Great Jar's summons). Later on, consider these: Adula's Moonblade, combines ranged spell with melee magic sword. Can be very OP, especially with the Snow Witch hat. Full Moon/Dark Moon, look great, AoE high damage spells when you've got FP to waste.

There ya go, the best spells in a single list. Get these and the game becomes laughably easy; so easy you'll probably want to try another build after ROFLstomping for a while. I still have no idea what Morgott actually does during the fight aside from transitioning and dying.

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mmmmm magicks. happy :)

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As odd as it may sound, I'd probably prefer it if the top end spells did less damage, had a lower requirement and a lower FP cost so we could get a bit more enjoyment out of them, use them more frequently and start using them earlier. I understand making things harder to access and require more stats, but it really sucks waiting until such a later stage and three/four zones and long questlines to access spells like Comet azur, meteorite of astel and stars of ruin and you're barely able to use them for anything other than getting rid of someone in pvp before resting at a grace immediately because you're too concerned to use it anywhere else to save on flasks or as a unsatisfactory instakill on boss fights. They're so skewed, they can't replace glintstone as ol' reliable. I know what I'm trying to say but I'm not wording it right.

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Carian school of sorcery is the best don't @ me.

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I use sorceries and incantations just to see how cool the spells are in elden ring. Never regretted it!

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faith is more enjoyable, sorceries have some cool spells but then 100 variations of magick missile.
go ahead and downvote, you know it's true. and while ur sitting there mad, imagine me actually having fun with a magick build lol

not gona read any replies either, lol!

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made big hat logan, pretty solid

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Damn, even incantations managed to be interesting this time around. Sorcerers truly are pathetic.

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If you havnt singlehandedly burst damaged Morgott Omen King into space with a single infinite FP physick + Comet Azur combo, you havnt felt true mage power.

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Faith gets madness, so I think it would be fair to give at least some sleep sorceries to INT users.

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fth/arc builds get an entire section of incantations designed to mimic the mighty dragons, easily capable of shredding enemies apart with ailments such as fire, magic, frostbite and the dreaded scarlet rot. beautiful yet deadly powers that display the sheer power and terror of these primordial beasts
int/arc? you get to give your enemies a bubble bath
thanks fromsoftware, very cool!

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Int builds get the most variety with spells in this game than any other souls game and they are also pretty viable this time. They also gets shitton of different weapons yet there are still many people whining and complaining sorceries got shafted or are disappointing.

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Hope we get the Aristocrat Mages disappearing act as a staff ash of war in a dlc and deactivates when someone gets close. The fade out with the shimmering particles is really cool.

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Need an option to sort spells in the same order as in-game.
It's a nightmare trying to track which spells I'm missing.

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Anyone else super anal over the colour and order of their spell icons? If it's not an all aqua palette or an all blue palette I don't wanna know...
If you wanted an all red, purple or b/w palette, well rip.

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should be ancestor spirit sorceries

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Definitely feels better to use than ds3 sorcery I can wait to see what the DLC has for sorcerers

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Why is it all blue stuff

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NO CRYSTAL WEAPON SPELL NOOOOOO

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I wish there was a sleep inducing Sorcery. Or just more things in general that gave players access to this status effect.

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For DLC, I have bias towards more Gravity Spells, because its not been done before and it has the most wow factor for me. The ones we got, went from Rock Sling which became the only staple, Gravity Well and its upgrade which I hated the casting animation and function of (I don't want to be close to people as a mage lol) and then it just jumped to the most over the top annihilation with the meteor spells, which are unfeasible in majority of circumstances except cheese or sneak attacks. There's no variety of functional in-betweens that you can add to your repertoire and leads to a stale playstyle of Rock Sling everything for most of the game, and Meteor the rest if you can get away with it. Gravity could have been used for all kinds of entertaining f**kery, not necessarily overpowered because being op just means begging for nerfs, but certainly interesting and unique stuff we haven't seen yet that adds value to maining Gravity instead of being forced into other schools.

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If there's a DLC, I'm thinking we could have a spell which forms a great shield that can protect you from damage,status effect and cost no stamina, can be cast after any animation without delay, can be held continuously at the cost of continuous fp drain. we could have a magic scythe that can be cast repeatedly, three consecutive casts will perform the sword dance. We could have a spell that teleports you behind enemies. Also we could use more blood maic.

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Im just defeated thinking there would be a talisman that would continuously replenish FP as the Celestial Dew Talisman does for HP—…..there isnt. •_•

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From a game design perspective, why does the magic in Demon Souls remake (even though its more limited) seem more satisfying and impactful than the sorceries in Elden Ring?

Is it the sound fx, the casting animations or is it just me?

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So what is the strongest Single Hit spell?

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So what is the strongest Single Hit spell?

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finally made a sorcery account and man is this easy mode. Just dump into Int to 50 for comet with Karolos helm then mind. Enemies have never been easier, you can't be ambushed. I am hitting a wall at the academy mildly but considering how easy everything else has been I'm not complaining. PVP even is lolsy. Though I am aware Barrier of Gold would utterly bonk me I don't really care that much.

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some spell costs are off likely due to not being updated after the game changed their cost.
i would update them myself but can't edit.
As of 1.04 these are-
briasrs of sin 9 (-),
carin slicer 4 (-),
magic downpour 20 (-),
oracle bubbles 12 (-),
frozen armerment 20 (-),
glintstone icecrag 12 (-),
zamor ice storm 22 (-),
crystal releasee 38 (-),
crystal torrent 20 (5),
explosive ghostflame 29 (-),
rancorcall 14 (-),
tibias summons 20 (-),
ranni's dark moon 62 (-),
cannon of haima 45 (-),
comet 26 (-),
crystal barrage 14 (2),
glintstone arc 10 (-),
glintstone cometshard 19 (-),
glintstone stars 14 (-),
rock blaster 25 (5),
shard spiral 14 (-),
shater earth 12 (-),
star shower 23 (-),
starlight 12 (-),
swift glintstone shard 5 (-),
thops barrier 7 (7),
collapseing stars 18 (-),
gravity well 12 (-),
meteorite 30 (10),
stars of astel 60 (12),
rock sling 18 (-),
loretta's greatbow 28 (-),
loretta's mastery 43 (-),
gelmir's fury 27 (3),
magma shot 18 (-),
rykards rancor 26 (-),
night shard 7 (-),
unseen form 20 (-),
comet azur 40 (10),
foundung rain of stars 32 (-)

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Gravity (my fav), death and blood spells got completely shafted here.

Could have seen to lose a few of the two dozen blue bullets in exchange for some variety elsewhere.

There's a bunch of inaccessible gravity spells already ingame that could be scaled down for us, why give a taste of the good stuff with Rock Sling then show us Fallingstar beasts aoe or the gravity consumables and think '...nah'.

No shockwaves, no purple wrath of the gods, no lifts, traps, floats slows or pushes, no black holes and no temporary flight.

Come on now.

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They Must Buff and ReBuff Cold Sorceries and Cold Ashes of War!
Glintstone Icecrag: was left out of the massive Glintstone Overhaul Treatment: the range is terribly poor, the tracking is nonexistent, the Projectile is slow and worst of all: Can't be Charged!
Frozen Mist: is underpowered, weak and mostly ineffective or useless.
Frozen Armament is incredibly worthless and useless, and I doubt anybody ever used it.
Zamor Icestorm: cool idea but it's incredibly slow and vulnerable, no Poise or guard while casting do gets interrupted easily, small radius and short duration.
Adula's Moonblade got Butchered and Nerfed to the Ground as everyone agrees, needlessly (while they buffed 100 Incantations and weapons)
Ice Spear is good, butpoor range and tracking.
Hoarfrost Stomp is unusable and garbage now.
Frost Mist AoW is underpowered and not worth it.
They have to Buff and Improve all Cold Sorceries.

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