Sorceress Sellen

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Location Limgrave, Waypoint Ruins 
Weeping Peninsula
Witchbane Ruins
Role Merchant and Quest NPC
Voiced By  Kezia Burrows

Sorceress Sellen is a Merchant and NPC in Elden Ring. She can be found inside the Waypoint Ruins, far east from where you first arrive in Limgrave. She can teach you Sorceries. She can also be made available as an NPC Summon for specific battles.


Tarnished, are we? A wonder you should turn up here.
I am Sellen, a sorcerer, quite plainly. Why are you here?


Sorceress Sellen Location in Elden Ring

  • She is found standing near a treasure chest within the Waypoint Ruins in the central-east part of Limgrave. Players can reach her after defeating the  Mad Pumpkin Head. After defeating the boss, the Site of Grace "Waypoint Ruins Cellar" appears in their boss room, allowing easy access to Sellen's services. Map Link for Waypoint Ruins.
  • Sorceress Sellen can also be found kept prisoner at Witchbane Ruins, however, other than speaking to her, nothing can be done with her here until progressing far enough into her quest line. Be warned, attacking Sellen here can cause issues with her availability as a merchant elsewhere and stall progression in her quest line.
    This can be resolved by seeking absolution at the Church of Vows.
    Map Link for Witchbane Ruins.
  • She can be summoned to aid in the Red Wolf of Radagon boss fight, after progressing her quest line to the point that she leaves for the Raya Lucaria Academy.
  • Once the player has progressed her quest line far enough, two new summon signs will appear at the entrance to the Raya Lucaria Grand Library, offering the player a choice between assisting her (gold sign) or challenging her (red sign).


Elden Ring Sorceress Sellen Shop

Item Name Item Type runes currency elden ring wiki guide 18Purchase Value Availability
Glintstone Pebble Sorceries 1,000 Always
Glintstone Stars Sorceries 3,000 Always
Glintstone Arc Sorceries 1,500 Always
Crystal Barrage Sorceries 1,500 Always
Scholar's Armament Sorceries 3,000 Always
Scholar's Shield Sorceries 2,500 Always
Glintblade Phalanx Sorceries 2,500 Requires Royal House Scroll
Carian Slicer Sorceries 1,500 Requires Royal House Scroll
Great Glintstone Shard Sorceries 2,000 Requires Academy Scroll
Swift Glintstone Shard Sorceries 600 Requires Academy Scroll
Glintstone Cometshard Sorceries 12,000 Requires Conspectus Scroll
Star Shower Sorceries 10,000 Requires Conspectus Scroll
Shard Spiral Sorceries 8,000 After siding with her at the end of her questline

 You can choose among the following options while talking to Sorceress Sellen:

  • Study sorcery: Learn a sorcery from Sellen in exchange for Runes.
  • Give a scroll: Give Sellen a sorcery scroll key item to add the sorceries contained within it to Sellen's merchant inventory.
  • Give letter of introduction: After receiving the Letter of Introduction from Preceptor Seluvis, you can then speak with Sellen about it. She will inform you that General Radahn must be defeated in order to restore the movement of the stars, which will reveal a way to access the lost city of Nokron.


Sorceress Sellen Questline: How to complete Sorceress Sellen's Quest

  • Sellen can first be encountered at the Waypoint Ruins, after defeating the Mad Pumpkin Head guarding her room. She will introduce herself as the Graven Witch. Should you accept her offer to study sorceries under her, you will be able to pursue her quest line. Learning enough sorceries from her will unlock more dialogue with her.
  • North of Hermit Village on Mt. Gelmir, you can find the sorcerer Azur, who will give you the sorcery Comet Azur upon interacting with him. Afterwards, go back and speak with Sellen to continue to the next part of her quest line.
  • Note: Holding off on completing the following step will not prevent Sellen's quest line from continuing until much later. Sellen will ask you to find another sorcerer, Master Lusat, who is locked away behind a special magic seal deep inside Sellia Hideaway in Caelid. She will give you an item that will allow you to break the seal that holds him. Upon interacting with Master Lusat, he will gift you with the sorcery Stars of Ruin. Return to Sellen and she will reward you with a Starlight Shard. You can locate the pit leading to the magic seal Master Lusat is trapped behind by finding a crystal snail on a ledge above a crystal cluster and a crystal you can walk down, pictured below.

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  • Return to Sellen after defeating Starscourge Radahn. She will request that you meet her in person at the Witchbane Ruins where she will give you Sellen's Primal Glintstone.
  • If you haven't done so yet, travel back to Redmane Castle where Witch-Hunter Jerren can be found sitting in the throne room. Speak with him and exhaust his dialogue. Afterwards, reset the area by resting at any Site of Grace. This should cause Castle Redmane to return to the enemy filled state it was in before the Radahn Festival event began.
  • Return to Witchbane Ruins where you will find Jerren standing in the room with a now deceased Sellen. Once again, speak with Jerren and exhaust his dialogue.
  • Journey to the Three Sisters area and locate the ruins on the right side of the approach up to Ranni's Rise. You must locate an illusory floor that must be struck to reveal. The location of the illusory floor is shown below.

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  • Within this secret basement of dolls, there is an illusory wall just to the left of the glowing message that says "Seluvis's puppet. Do not touch." On the other side of the illusory wall is a room containing a doll duplicate of Sellen, where you can insert the Primal Glintstone by interacting with it. After speaking with the now revived Sellen, she will resume selling sorceries at this location until Rennala, Queen of the Full Moon is defeated.

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  • After completing the previous steps and defeating Rennala, Queen of the Full Moon, fast travel to the Raya Lucaria Grand Library Site of Grace. Right outside the entrance should be two summon signs.
    • The gold summon sign offers the option to assist Sellen, where you will need to aid her in fighting Witch Hunter Jerren:
      • Defeating Witch-Hunter Jerren will reward you with the Eccentric Set. You can then revisit the spots where you first encountered Master Azur and Master Lusat to find their armor sets (Azur's Glintstone Set and Lusat's set, respectively) laying on the ground where they once were. 
      • After the fight, you can find Sellen standing inside the Grand Library where Renalla once was, with Renalla sadly sitting off to the side of the room. Speak with Sellen and exhaust her dialogue to receive the Glintstone Kris and have the sorcery Shard Spiral added to Sellen's merchant inventory.
      • Sellen will remain where she stands in the Grand Library until you have completed the part of her quest line to find Master Lusat. Once that part of her quest line has been completed, reset the area. You will find that Sellen will have moved to the side of the room and transformed into a School of Graven Mages (beside of which can be found her Witch's Glintstone Crown) and Rennala will have returned to her original position in the center of the room. Despite Sellen's "condition," you can still purchase sorceries from her at any time by speaking with her.
    • The red summon sign offers the option to challenge Sellen, where you will need to aid Witch Hunter Jerren in defeating Sellen:
      • Defeating Sellen will reward you with the Witch's Glintstone Crown and Sellen's Bell Bearing.
      • Jerren can be found afterwards, standing just outside the entrance to the Grand Library. Speak to him and he will reward you with an Ancient Dragon Smithing Stone.
      • At this point, Jerren can still be killed in order to obtain the his armor set, the Eccentric Set.
      • If you choose this option and kill Sellen, you will not be able to get the Lusat Set and Azur Set until your next game cycle.


Dialogue in Elden Ring: Sorceress Sellen


  • Tarnished, are we? A wonder you should turn up here.
    I am Sellen, a sorcerer, quite plainly. Why are you here?

When attacked

  • What's the meaning of this? How unfortunate. <disappears>
  • You sadden me, my apprentice.
  • (On player kill) For a time, I believed us kindred spirits. My apprentice...

After you say you want to learn sorcery

  • Ahh, a yen for glintstone sorceries? Well, your aptitude does appear...passable. But one must choose one's masters wisely.
    I was exiled from the Academy of Raya Lucaria, as a reviled, apostate witch. Do you still wish to learn from me?

I still want to learn

  • Well, you are a piece of work. Very well. You are now my protégé in glintstone sorcery. But I refuse to coddle. Or cast kind words. Never.
    Anticipate grievances, young apprentice.
    [Nod in Thought Gesture received]


  • Young apprentice, first things first. You are a tadpole when it comes to magic. Infantile. Without the legs to walk.
    So, to become a sorcerer, first, you must face your ignorance. Now, shall we start learning?

After buying some sorceries

  • Our powers draw upon the powers embedded in glintstone, but what is the nature of such power? Glintstone is the amber of the cosmos, golden amber contains the remnants of ancient life and houses its vitality, while Glintstone contains residual life. And thus, the vitality of the stars. It should not be forgotten that glintstone sorcery is the study of the stars and the life therin.

Giving her the Royal House Scroll

  • Oh, is that a scroll? Takes me back to my academy days. Very well. This is sorcery with which I'm not entirely unfamiliar. I'll be sure to incorporate it into one of your lessons. Never lose that inquisitive spirit, my apprentice.

While imprisoned at Witchbane Ruins

  • It will do no good, I swear it...and yet you persist, you frothing degenerates...A...argh!

Show Seluvis's Letter of Introduction to Sellen

  • Well, well... Seluvis is not a name I ever wanted to hear again... But, fine. If it will help you, my apprentice, I offer my knowledge. The stars alter the fate of the Carian royal family. And the fate of your mistress, Ranni. But long ago, General Radahn challenged the swirling constellations, and in a crushing victory, arrested their cycles. Now, he is the force that repulses the stars. If General Radahn were to die, the stars would resume their movement. And so, too, would Ranni's destiny.

Show Azur's sorcery

  • Ah, then you have seen Master Azur. Master Azur was a founding glintstone sorcerer, and my first teacher. A stern judge of men, but he must have seen something in you. You make us both proud. We can speak more later, my apprentice.

Tell me your story

  • If you recall, I was exiled from the Academy of Raya Lucaria. It was for attempting to restore the primeval current of glintstone sorcery. The toothless pedantry peddled by the Carian royal family can rot for all I care. I want glintstone sorceries that open our minds, unbound by terrestrial taboos. No matter what we give in return. My apprentice. I presume nothing. Teacher and student are not bound to tread the same path. But hear me out, my apprentice. I need your help to restore the primeval current of glintstone sorcery. Perhaps this is a journey we could take together?
  • (Let's journey together) Splendid. I thank you. This pleases me. It's been far too long since I found a fellow kindred spirit. You must have a fabulous teacher.

I have a favour to ask

  • I need your help, my apprentice. Master Lusat is another founding glintstone sorcerer. And like Master Azur, he was banished from the academy. Now he languishes, imprisoned somewhere. My apprentice, can you find Master Lusat? With this glintstone key, you should be able to cross the boundary that encloses him.
  • I need him to restore the primeval current of glintstone sorcery. He's nigh a child of the stars, such is his body now...

Lead on Lusat

  • After his expulsion from the academy, I heard that Master Lusat returned to his home. A place called Sellia, in the eastern Caelid Wilds. Thinking about it, I obtained the glintstone key I gave you from a Sellian sorcerer. It wouldn't be too much of a leap to suppose he's still cooped up nearby.

After meeting Master Lusat

  • My apprentice. Give me a moment later. I have a favour to ask.
  • Who could've guessed. What a place to find Master Lusat...You have my gratitude. This is all your work. I am truly pleased to have you as an apprentice, and a kindred spirit. This is a mere token of my thanks. Please, take it.
  • This brings us a full step closer. The bodies of Masters Azur and Lusat can be admitted to the academy. If only I could undo these wretched shackles...

About the request

  • The form you see before you is merely a projection. My body lies elsewhere. But the academy's shackles prevent it being moved. My body is on the Weeping Peninsula, at the southern tip of the Lands Between, imprisoned in the ruins just down from the Church of Marika, past the plain of the Wandering Mausoleum. Can you make the journey to my body? I have something that I can only trust with you. 

At Witchbane Ruins (after hearing about her request)

  • My apprentice, thank you for coming. These shackles take a toll on us all. There is something I need you to look after. My primal glintstone. A star has fallen, and my fortunes waver. someone may come for my life. And so, I entrust it with you. My self.
  • Thank apprentice... my essence. Please, treat it with care.
  • Treat it with care, my apprentice... What you hold is my very being...

Using Sellen's Primal Glintstone in the secret room at the Three Sisters

  • My apprentice, just how long has it been? Thank you. You've helped me fill a new body, once again. And it's truly a gem. Young and full of vigor, a snug fit for my Primal Glintstone. Better still, I've shed those awful shackles. Finally, I can return to the academy. To expel the Carian royal family, and restore the primeval current. My dear apprentice, I owe this all to you.

Challenging Jerren

  • Jerren, bringer of my death.
    You have my gratitude. For freeing me from my shackles.
    But I am afraid your work is done.
    Join the school. To reflect on your mistake.

 After defeating Jerren

  • Ahh, my apprentice.
    You've saved my skin once again.

    Do you see this? The Queen of Caria is no more.
    With the bodies of Masters Azur and Lusat returned, the academy can hone the primeval current.
    So that we, fallen children of the stars, shall beam with brilliance once again.
    My apprentice. Will you stay with us, here at the academy?
    Oh, I know it's not possible.
    You have your own calling. To be the next Elden Lord.
    But do think of me.
    Of your teacher. On the eve of your crowning.
    You will always be my darling pupil.
    Rest assured that I...
    No, the entire academy, will swear allegiance to the new monarch.
    My apprentice. Become Elden Lord.
  • Hmm. Perhaps I'm jumping ahead,
    but here is a symbol of my allegiance, and the academy's.
    (gives Glintstone Kris)
    Do you recall what I once told you?
    That glintstone is the amber of the cosmos, and sorcery is the study of the stars, and the life therein.
    When you become Elden Lord, please illuminate me.
    Lay bare the secrets of life which course the Elden Ring.
    Next time, I will be your student.
  • Oh, one last thing.
    If you fail to claim your throne,
    you can always pay me a visit.
    Oh, don't fret. Even my dullest pupils will always have a place here.

After reloading the area

  • U...urgh. M-my...apprentice...I-I'm...


  • (Subsequent Visits)
    There you are, my apprentice. Shall we commence the lesson?
  • (Talking again without reloading)
    You wish to continue the lesson? Very well, I have time aplenty.


Elden Ring Notes & Trivia for Sorceress Sellen

  • You can give Sellen the Royal House Scroll to add the sorceries Glintblade Phalanx and Carian Slicer to her merchant inventory.
  • You can give Sellen the Academy Scroll to add the sorceries Great Glintstone Shard and Swift Glintstone Shard to her merchant inventory.
  • You can give Sellen the Conspectus Scroll to add the sorceries Glintstone Cometshard and Star Shower to her merchant inventory.
  • In combat, Sellen wields a Carian Glintstone Staff and can cast Crystal Release, Shattering Crystal, Founding Rain of Stars, and Glintstone Cometshard.
  • Completing Sorceress Sellen's questline will affect the boss fight with Sir Gideon Ofnir, the All-Knowing,  preventing him from casting Comet Azur.
  • Despite being located in a no combat zone, the orb form Sellen transforms into at the end of her questline can be killed by the damaging roll of the Briar Set. With all 4 pieces equipped alongside the Ritual Sword Talisman at full health, each roll with deal 30 damage. She drops 1000 runes on death (base, NG) but can't be permanently killed and will respawn upon reloading the area. 
  • The dialogue/lore in game that suggests that Sellen was the one whom created the Graven Mages is backed up by the fact that her mentor was Master Azur, the founder of the Karolos Conspectus, whose masks are notably spared from being incorporated into any of the Spheres. The Karolos Sorcerers are also the most plentiful type encountered throughout the academy, and world in general save for places still held by Carians, where Lazuli sorcerers still reside.

    Furthermore, paintings of the founding sorcerers found throughout the academy (except for the ones hanging in the debate parlour) are positioned such that Lusat's and the Lazuli founder's are either on their side or upside down, whereas Azur's are positioned properly. A notable few of these are on the secret path that's before the debate parlour, the one leading to the Graven School Talisman that rests upon an inert Graven Mage (part of the world geometry; not an enemy to fight). The implication here being that Sellen had a certain level of disdain for the other conspectuses, explaining her willingness to use their sorcerers in her experiments in creating the seeds of new stars, ultimately resulting in the making of Graven Mages.

Sorceress Sellen Image Gallery

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    • Anonymous

      I don't like the filthy mage
      I don't have a foot fetish
      I don't like the filthy mage
      I don't have a foot fetish
      I don't like the filthy mage
      I don't have a foot fetish
      I don't like the filthy mage
      I don't have a foot fetish
      I don't like the filthy mage

      • Anonymous

        What exactly are the requirements to get Sellen to help you with the red wolf. I'm just curious. How far along her quest? Most people will do rennala after godrick as it's the recommended route, instead of going to caelid then to liurnia which doesn't advance her questline much

        • Anonymous

          Finishing this quest and coming back to find her in that form only able to say "My a-apprentice..." was heartbreaking lol. "Why is always despair?"

          • Anonymous

            If you finish her quest without ever finding Lusat, She won’t be turned into a ball. And will just stay where Renalla was. I tried not finding Lusat and after finishing her quest, I tried reloading the arena several times, and there she is, still standing all proud still human.

            • Anonymous

              Okay I was recently trying to do this quest in NG+, wanting to side Jerren but I was not able to proceed with Sellen to give me the item Sellia Hideaway, no further dialogue or anything. The weird thing was, I wasn't able to get Comet Azur from Sorcerer Azur either, I thought it was due to me already owning the spell as it was a NG+. In order to get the Comet Azur from the Sorcerer Azur in Mt. Gelmir, YOU MUST GIVE SELLEN A SCROLL. Otherwise, he just doesn't do anything. I suppose it was deemed natural by the Fextralife author, that at that point of the game the player must have already given her a scroll, but in NG+ a lot of people don't do it since they already have the items. This was all after Radahn, and after a certain point of Ranni's questline and everything, the quest did not proceed simply because I did not give her a scroll. I hope it helps to someone.

              • Anonymous

                There is one line of dialogue that points towards this quest, but it's very vague and most players won't hear it.

                You have to be progressed in Ranni's quest enough to have Blaidd at the festival. After defeating Radahn and talking to Iji "About Jerren", he states:

                "Now the time has come to remind him of an old promise made. With the stars of fate set into motion, a certain sorceress is dispossessed of her immortality... Finally, we can be rid of a longstanding Carian weed."

                It's just enough to connect the dots between Jerren and Sellen, but incredibly out of the way. Overall this quest is pretty terribly designed, and that's saying something for a Soulsborne game.

                • Anonymous

                  I can just imagine her struggling to push Rennala behind a book shelf in anticipation for your arrival so she can stand in the middle of the room lookin cool

                  • Anonymous

                    The fact that you have to talk to Jerren at Redmane castle after you are given Sellen's primal glintstone to progress the quest just pisses me off so much. That step shouldve been optional/skippable, Jerren shouldve just appeared at Witchbane Ruins as you reload the area after you receive the stone, regardless of whether you talked to him at Redmane Castle or not, as there arent any apparent reason to why one would go back there after Radahn, and there also arent any connection between Jerren and the questline leading up to that point. They couldve executed this so much better to make the quest smoother for players so they dont have to constantly look up a guide/walkthrough.

                    • Anonymous

                      I gave Sellen the royal house scroll, and she wont let me purchase the spells, which is fantastic as I was relying on those for a build. Thanks I guess.

                      • Anonymous

                        Just to let people know that they won't fail Sellen's quest if you bring her Primal Glintstone in the Roundtable Hold: the message you will get, if you did that, serves you to advise that you skipped Jerren's secondary dialogue after you removed Sellen's Glintstone in Weeping *****ula. The quest involves that Sellen will get a new body and the old be killed, so that's normal if you casually skipped Jerren's dialogue before Raya Lucaria's fight.

                        • Anonymous

                          How did anyone find out that Sellen can be summoned to fight Red Wolf? You have to defeat Radahn in order to get her to move anywhere, and at that point most people have long since blown past Red Wolf and fought Rennala too

                          • I really like Sellen. She became more and more likable as I progressed her quest. Upon completing it though, Ugghhh, I can't bring myself to complete it again.... as mentioned below, I'm gonna have to head to the debate parlor now, see if I can find the painting of her without that helmet.

                            • Anonymous

                              She say's: "With the bodies of Masters Azur and Lusat returned, the academy can hone the primeval current."
                              So my question is: Did the bodies actually got relocate to the Academy?
                              They are no longer in their original place after ending her quest, so i wonder where they went.

                              • Anonymous

                                I got some extra dialogue after buying 5 sorceries from her, though I’m not sure if that’s the exact trigger. She praised me for how far I’ve gone learning magic, saying something about the “little legs you’ve grown”. I’d add it to the wiki myself if I could remember the exact words…

                                • Anonymous

                                  Maybe something to add to the trivia. In the Debate Parlor area where the Red Wolf of Radagon boss fight takes place. There are paintings on the wall of various sorcerers ( including Renalla ) but one of those paintings bears a striking similarity to Sellen without the helmet and she seemingly has black hair.

                                  • Anonymous

                                    Can someone tell me what armor he is wearing in those pictures? The one with the white cape and three swords on the back? I've never come across that piece...

                                    • Anonymous

                                      So you can summon her to help with the red wolf in the academy, but only if you've already visited Mt. Gelmir?

                                      Wouldn't you be way overleveled for raya lucaria if you waited that long?

                                      • Anonymous

                                        Never talked to Jerren or went back to the place Sellen was nailed to the wall after we got her soulstone and I completed the questline just fine. It's just bonus information about his beef with her and not necessary to complete this quest.

                                        • Moved the transformation picture to the bottom of the page instead of being open by default on top so people won't get spoiled. Not sure how long it's been like that for.

                                          • Anonymous

                                            I see the transformation picture being open as you load into the is still not fixed after people's comments about it. Now I have been spoiled too. That's sad... wonder what really happened.

                                            • Anonymous

                                              MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD!

                                              This same primal glintstone transfer is quite possibly the same way Marika and Radagon were the same, yet different.
                                              Marika, a god, surely knew how to duplicate these primal glintstones. She simply had to create a puppet and transfer it.

                                              I believe this puppet was Radagon, and although they were the same people at the beginning, clearly, by the end, they were not.
                                              Evidence of this is Marika destroying the Elden Ring while Radagon (a distinct person after years past the transfer of primal glintstone, marriage to Rennala and how he earned Champion status,) tried to mend the Elden Ring.

                                              • Anonymous

                                                One of my least favourite quests. The story is good, but the quest progression feels kinda weird. Some steps are very obtuse and when played normally, I always end up in an early stage of progression until I find comet azur at Mt. Gelmir and then practically progressing through her entire quest line in less than an hour because everything is mostly aleady done and I only teleport back and forth between places to advance dialogue.
                                                I think it has to do with the Gelmir spot being rather late midgame while in the meantime it's very very likely you already finished the academy and Radahn.
                                                Maybe it's a bit more organic if you go straight from liurnia to Altus plateau through the tunnel and then teleport to Volcany Manor via Rya?
                                                Dunno, I usually finish Liurnia and then Caelid before I even go to Mt. Gelmir or Altus Plateu.
                                                But something tells me Dragonbarrow in Caelid is meant to be explored after Volcano Manor because otherwise you find the first somber smithing stone 7 way after 8 & 9. On the flipside the right Dectus medaillon is in Dragonbarrow, so that's why I do that area first...

                                                Really curious how others do it, opinions?
                                                Kinda wish the progression was a bit smoother over time like Ranni, kinda gets ruined by uneven progression imo.

                                                • Anonymous

                                                  I don't like being made to choose between letting her live or an ancient dragon smithing stone. She's so damn sweet.

                                                  • Anonymous

                                                    I went to this page to see what i had to do to progress the quest, but then i get spoiled by the transformation picture already being open. Pls fix so other people dont get spoiled like this.

                                                    • Anonymous

                                                      For those questioning about finding her both alive and free, and then imprisoned later, this is explained in her quest when you progress for enough.

                                                      • Anonymous

                                                        Something whose consequences are not entirely explored on this page is how to progress the quest if she gets imprisoned at Witchbane Ruins earlier than described above.

                                                        I have not even gone through Stormveil yet, let alone Mt. Gelmir and Redmane Castle, and have found her imprisoned at Witchbane Ruins. Presumably going to Witchbane Ruins after meeting her once is enough for her to be trapped there. Annoyingly she has become trapped after I gave her the Royal House Scroll but before I've bought Carian Slicer off her...

                                                        In the above description of her quest, it sounds like she is not trapped there until much much later. I'm now unsure how this affects her quest, and what to do next? I assume if I kill her, that'll end her quest but get me the bell bearing so I can get the sorcery? But if I want to complete her quest, am I stuck until meeting Jerren, which is a long long way off for me?
                                                        I'll come back if I discover anything during this playthough...

                                                        • Anonymous

                                                          Sellen watching in horror as i dump all my INT into other stats in a respec (she can't do anything about it because she's a ball)

                                                          • Anonymous

                                                            Im pretty sure she will stay as ruler of caria if you complete her quest without bringing her lusats gear. I was even able to grab azur's and she stayed normal.

                                                            • Anonymous

                                                              Is her line about "anticipating grievances" foreshadowing the end of her quest? The word 'grievance sounds similar to 'graven'. The words don't share a root or anything but there could be an implication just in their similar sound and spelling. The graven mass is already two ideas in one, as it combines the technical meaning of 'graven' (carved) with another meaning—graves, i.e. the death of sorcerers. So it appears the team was already thinking of this layered wordplay, and in English, too.

                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                So her """plan""" was to hand her actual soul off to a mute vagrant who may or may not have been wearing pants and hope, with ZERO further instruction, that murder hobo would know to carry her soul halfway across the continent, to some ruins in the middle of ass nowhere Luirnia of the Lakes, to attack a floor in those ruins, to make the floor disappear, in order to access a basement under that floor, to attack a wall in that basement, to make the wall disappear, in order to access a doll, so that the he can put Sellen's soul into the doll, giving her a new body. Does she KNOW the Tarnished is controlled by some external entity with access to Google? Because that's the only reason that """plan""" had a chance of success.

                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                  1. Imagine being stuck forever within an inanimate object. Have you ever experienced sleep paralysis? Multiply by a trillion.
                                                                  2. Imagine being stupid enough not to realize this perspective in advance.

                                                                  God, if only characters in ER were a little less shortsighted and a little more elaborate... Maybe we'd have ways to prevent most of their unnecessary sacrifices. Maybe we could even resolve their disputes.

                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                    Sellen be like "alright you can be my student but don't expect any kind words! You will have the HARSHEST criticism in your lifetime and I will be completely uncompromising" *proceeds to do nothing but compliment you and shower with praise* *except calling you dumb one time in library*

                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                      Who found out you can summon her for the red wolf fight? By the time you find commet azure you've most likely cleared out the academy as you've had to go through the Altus Plateau, you'll also be seriously over levelled for the fight anyway by that point

                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                        at the end, we get to choose between helping her or Jerren, but what if we kill Jerren in the Witchbane Ruins beforehand?

                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                          "U...urgh. M-my...apprentice...I-I'm..." - the voiceover here clearly suggests she screwed something and her current look is directly linked to that, but she doesn't want to go into details after being so proud and confident with you.

                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                            Why Lucarian mages like to wear ugly helmets? I mean this NPC Sellen is a unique one, unlike those Lucarian enemy mages. it's a waste of opportunity to make a face for such character, making her look just like a generic one.

                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                              I only did the Sellen NPC quest and bought all her spells from a completionist borderline OCD mentality. I have the same 15 INT now I started with, incantations for the win bit**es! Between somber dragon stones and smithing dragon stones I've upgraded the weapons I like best so helping Jerren to get his dragon stone meant nothing and I couldn't bring myself to help him kill Sellen, apart from anything else he's nuttier than squirrel turds.

                                                                              But speaking to Sellen after she turned into the school of graven mages and being able to recognise her stone crown right in the middle of them I think killing her might have been the bigger kindness. I know its stupid but the way she said my apprentice when I spoke to her for the last time after she turned bothered me, it sounded like she was in pain or maybe struggling not to lose her identity inside the school of graven mages.

                                                                              Her voice actor did a stellar job from start to finish, first in making her a likeable character then giving some sense of what she was feeling as part of the school of graven mages. Does anyone who knows their lore know why she turned into that?.

                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                The quest walk-through mentions that she can be found standing near a chest in waypoint ruins but there is no chest

                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                  What I will say now might be a spoiler for so don't read further if you want to be spoiled. You've been warned...
                                                                                  Jerren seems to be friend of the Carian family while Sellen tries to expel them as she says with her own words. Alas, she will always fail and while Jerren can fail because of the involvment of you... he is still the only NPC of the two who gives a glimmter of hope to see him again. Infact he even has a special dialogue if you've become champion of Ranni and is happy to be your friend and even mention being a friend of Iji himself.
                                                                                  So I think the good ending is to actually help Jerren instead of Sellen because the ending that seems best according to people is Ranni's Ending and Sellen does not succeed in any shape or form. Help Jerren and maybe in a DLC we will see him again :)

                                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                                    I waant an ending where she is just normal. Add sellen to the list of malenia and a marika only ending here we learn of her plan

                                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                                      The part about completing sellen's quest preventing ofnir casting comet azure could be clearer. Is her quest complete if you help Jerren kill her? or is it only complete if you side with her against Jerren?

                                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                                        I'm not invested in sellen's quest and I don't use sorcery spells but I'd still be more inclined to help her not Jerren if it wasn't for the ancient dragon stone.

                                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                                          I got Witch's Glintstone Crown even when I sided with Sellen, after her transformation, it's next to her.

                                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                                            The only reason to side with Jerren is if you want the dragon smithing stone, all other items are obtainable siding with Sellen, except her bell bearing.

                                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                                              I'm on my NG+ playthrough and reached farum azula already, can I still start her quest? I only need her for the stars of ruin spell..

                                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                                I went to the roundtable hold a few days after I picked up her glintstone heart and it randomly gave me the message: "The primal glintstone shudders. It seems Sellen's body has died." I guess there's a time limit on that step? Either way this is dumb.

                                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                                  Who would you choose to side with:

                                                                                                  1. Sellen: the lovely lady who taught you everything you know, who has never lied to you, who has always been completely honest about who she is, what she's done and what she's trying to do, and who trusts you with her very soul

                                                                                                  2. Jerren "allow me to paint you the full picture" Witchhunter: homeless guy in a clown costume who's obsessed with killing her because uhhhh witchcraft bad

                                                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                                                    Jerren does not always appear in the throne room. I am highly progressed in the game (elden beast dead, nearly every other questline complete) and he was waiting at Witchbane. Never showed up to the Redmane Castle Throne Room.

                                                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                                                      Uhhhhh, I'm confused and this article isn't really helping. I've done basically nothing for her quest, all I've done with her is buy a couple spells and have her help me for someone else's quest. Now she's chained up in Witchbane cave, with no interest at all in talking to me? Did I do something wrong? How fo I go about fixing it?

                                                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                                                        Her ending is so sad. I only completed it in my first playthrough and never again. I prefer having my best girls (Sellen, Fia and Rennala) alive and well.

                                                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                                                          It's funny how Sellen still treats you the same if you already learnt Comet Azur before meeting her for the first time and already have 60 Intelligence - she will still greet you as if you were some noob in sorcery who wants to learn the absolute basics, when you have already mastered one of the most powerful abilities in sorcery

                                                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                                                            Don't ya find it kinda odd that seluvis has a life sized uninhabited doll body that looks exactly like sellen in a secret room right next to a bed? Dude is down atrocious

                                                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                                                              I was very intrigued and interested on the Sellen's outcome, so I wanted to doscuss a little further. Unfortunately, thanks guys for spoiling the Boc questline for me...

                                                                                                              But, on the first matter, I love how knowledge and ruin walks always side by side in DS and ER (did not played BB, but from what I heard, thats a point in that universe as well).

                                                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                                                if you can't interact with the doll body after getting her soul, try talking to the jester-looking guy at redmane castle. If he's not here, teleporting there should suffice. Go back to Ranni's rise and she should be interactable.

                                                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                                                  We're used to miserable questlines but jesus, even if her dialog after her transformation was like beeps and hums you could at least say 'well she accomplished what she wanted, one with the primeval current or whatevs' instead of sounding garbled and in pain.

                                                                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                                                                    There's also different defeat dialogue if you kill her right after transplanting her primal glintstone

                                                                                                                    "Ahh, how could this be...every fallen child...must rise..."

                                                                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                                                                      Why doesn't Sellen recognize you if you find her at Witchbane Ruins before progressing farther into her quest line?

                                                                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                                                                        Quest guide is currently SO whacky. It never links to the item (Sellian Sealbreaker), and never tells you how to trigger it. Check Master Lusat's page for the details. TO DO THIS QUEST you need to go to Hermit Village in Mt. Gelmir and loot Azur's body.

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