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Why can't cast speed scale, at least partially, with Mind... Also why does this talisman share a scaling limit with dexterity? Like seriously, cast speed already has diminishing returns so why does leveling up a stat to a certain point make the talisman do literally nothing? Just seems like a silly decision to me.

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As far as I can tell from my own tests, the casting speed definitely affects dragon communion incants. By a significant margin, too. (With 27 dex, this makes about .2 seconds of difference in the time flames start coming out for dragonfire).

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I can’t tell if casting speed affects the charging speed of incants. Doesn’t really seem like it, but does anyone know for sure?

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I wish From will at some point give up on the idea that spell casting speed should scale with dex. There are like 5 people in the world who actually level dex on their casters, most people just uses these rings

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also damn radagon was hot

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40 dex with this makes order's blade/ almost every other weapon buff spell on weapons almost instant with any seal, neat

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anyone know if this affects ashes of war?

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I must be tripping or something because ghostflame explosion (sorcery) casting and recovery time is insanely long but theres no discernible difference in casting it with and without the talisman...

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Turns bestial sling into fan daggers, very nice

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Best item in the video game because it keeps you from lvling dex.

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Casting speed should be tied to: Mind, Intelligence, Faith.
I am playing a Wizard, not a Ninja. TF you smoking FromSoft!

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So it is established that it does not work on breath attacks, but have the dragon claw and bite also been tested?

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I've been told that this has no effect whatsoever on chain casting spells after the first cast. Is that true? Is chain casting at a fixed rate?

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From my testing, the casting speed is very noticeable in fast incantations like rock sling, catch flame but not so with slower ones, like giant'sflame take thee and draggon communion spells. But on spells I notice the speed cast buff on all spells charged or not charged, even with slower ones like comet azur.

Conclusion I think this is better for sorceries and I need a +2 version of this like the sage ring in dark souls 3.

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I wish to get +40 vir dex talisman in the DLS.

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does this work on incantations?

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I use it on my Bestial Incantation build. I use Cinquedea as my main weapon for the 10% damage bonus so obviously I don't need to level Dex at all. Very noticeable increase in cast times with Stone of Gurranq, Beast Claw just to name a few.

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PvE - Magic Scorpion Charm
PvP - Radagon Icon
It's a good swap for a dedicated talisman slot I find.

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alright after some testing i can safely say this is better for casting buffs instead of lowering attack spell time like how the old lord talisman only ups applied buff time and not lingering attack effects, tested with flame buffs and the time was absolutely shorter even with 18 dex but tried with offensive pyromancies and saw no noticeable difference in cast time and the fire leaving my hand, hope this helps a little

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Does not work with breath attacks = lame!

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tbh I just wonder why dex is even tied to cast speed. my two cents nobody asked for is that casting speed would be better for mind, but maybe that would **** balancing somehow through unforeseen consequences? idk, just an interesting choice to basically designate dex as the physical stat for casters in a way, which leaves strength as feeling kind of plain in this department. maybe i'm wrong, maybe i'm being ignorant of some other obscure mechanic... idk, nobody here works at fromsoft, so who knows what the thought process behind all this was during development.

all that said, a +1 and +2 would be welcome additions through dlc. i don't think it would affect balancing too much since the only people who would really need it is those who don't want to level into dex pretty much at all, and it takes away a talisman slot that could be used for other things, but I feel like it could have niche applications that lets certain specific builds shine some more. don't see it becoming a crutch, just another tool in a sea of them.

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So I was testing this with my Healer build on spells like Golden Vow, Great Heal, Blessing's Boon etc. There is well... almost no difference for casting time. At least not significant to notice.

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Sorry if this is obvious, but does it work for the speed of incantations as well or just spells?

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I still dont understand why the geniuses at Fromsoft decided to make casting speed scale with f*ucking dexterity and not Mind. They had already fixed this problem in Best Souls 2 by giving casting speed scaling with ATT but we’ve since regressed. Peak game design choice.

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Sorry if this has been answered before but for the love of me, i can't find an concrete reply to whether casting speed affects spell charging time.

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would this do well if i had ~25 dex or do i need the full 40 for this to do anything besides look pretty?

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gives +30 adaptability

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Does this work with Frenzied Burst.,?

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What spells have the most noticeable difference with this?

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Y'all cry too much

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This works on buff and infusion spells too right?

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In Dark Souls 3, the Sage's Ring +2 maxed your casting speed by itself. Even the regular Sage's Ring would put you pretty close to the cast speed cap.

The Radagon Icon only gets you about halfway to the cast speed cap alone. There is a noticeable difference between the casting time of spells when using just the Radagon Icon and when using the Radagon Icon + Azur Glintstone Staff to meet the cap.

Requiring 40 Dexterity + the Radagon Icon to max spellcasting or Radagon's + Azur Glintstone Staff is too much of an investment for what should be an easy cap to meet. Hopefully in the upcoming DLC they will introduce a Talisman that meets the casting speed cap by itself.

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Sucks that you still have to level DEX to 40 to get max casting speed with this thing (unless you're a sorceror running Azur's Staff). Wish it was more like the Sage Rings where you just equip it and get max benefit

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Kinda sucks there isn't an upgraded version that doesn't give you more casting speed while Dark Souls had Sage Ring +2 which would give you max casting speed.

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this is a pretty noticeable difference for Discus of Light (going from 17 to 47 effective dex with the talisman), enough that i’m thinking of changing the stats around on my Discus Spam character to have 40 dex so i can be at the casting speed cap. Discus is a nutty spell in terms of FP efficient damage (good range too) but the cast time of the first shot feels like it’s just slightly on the bad side and might end up slightly on the great side if I go to the cast speed cap

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So the two talismans that boost BREATH attacks and speed up INCANTATIONS don't work on dragon BREATH INCANTATIONS.

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Damn radagon is hot

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Still a really good and useful talisman to use though, if you use incantations or melee sorceries definitely worth having it in your talisman slots (I am the same person that wrote the message at 15 Mar 2023 07:41)

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Man I hope the DLC will have an upgraded version that give us something like 50 dex because Carian Piercer is still quite slow and I can't use azur glinstone staff, my 2 hands are already busy

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Im convinced its the same guy over an over that's been saying this sucks even though it doesn't.. its still worth 30 stats in casting speed. I can't justify putting dex for the cast speed tbh unless you're level 150+

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Wow a lot of salt here. It’s useful in pvp on slower spells, can be sacrificed when using fast spells. For faith it’s absolutely necessary for wrath of gold, triple rings, barrier of gold, etc in pvp. And all the intelligence one shot spells require it in pvp too. I found radagon icon can also be sacrificed for something else if you’re a tanky build that people naturally run away from: a tree sentinel cosplay can take blessing of the erdtree or barrier of gold without getting punished because people are always running away lol the opposite becomes true when I’m a faith build with no poise and a small weapon so it needed radagon icon.

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I don't know how useful it is with other spells but it made a difference with my madness build and the long casting time that comes with those spells. Was stuck on Elden Beast for a minute and came back to beat it first try, this is also without leveling dex at this point with a flat 10 on the stat.

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Man I wish casting speed was tied to mind like it was in DS2... Hopefully there will be a patch in the future that change this.
Also I don't think Radagon Icon is really useless, especially for spells like carian piercer or adula moonblade, but yeah a +1/+2 would be great, who knows ? Maybe the DLC will give us one..

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Lmao only +30 virtual dex ? And this is supposed to be a legendary talisman ? Not worth wasting a talisman slot for this unless they make a +1 and +2 version like in Dark souls 3 in the upcoming DLC.

Seriously even Azur gives more casting speed....

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If you think about it the right way, the description of this item is an extraordinarily cruel joke at Radagon's expense. "Thus did the hero aspire to be complete." Radagon, who is the lesser half of a single being and, at the time we meet him in the Erdtree, doesn't even have a full body anymore, having lost half of his torso and part of his head. The one thing Radagon never was and could never hope to be, even in the end, was complete.

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I have done a fair deal of testing with this talisman and I cannot see a real noticeable difference. Not like I could with the sage ring from dark souls 3. I have 18 dex on my caster (currently 23 total dex because of my active rune) and using a bunch of different spells, I cannot see a real difference. Maybe a little bit with swift glintstone shard, I dunno. I can't see if being worth it, unless I am missing something.

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"just use azur staff"

Ok, but maybe I don't want the extra fp cost. Maybe I'm a lower level build at the moment who wants to put more stats into int than mind. Maybe I want to use a staff that boosts my favorite kind of sorcery, and don't want to dual wield staffs. The effect is there, and maybe on full caster builds it isn't worth it, but that doesn't mean that it's useless on every build.

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It's trash, use azur glinstone staff instead, you will have an extra talisman slot and even more casting speed

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My god this talisman is garbage, doesn't make any difference, you are better off using azur, give more casting speed and don't waste a talisman slot

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Garbage talisman, don't use it it's useless unless it gives something like 50 virtual dex instead of 30, azur staff is a better alternative, it gives more virtual dex and at least doesn't waste a talisman slot
legendary talisman my ass

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This needs to be buffed, as the difference is practically nonexistent, and the fact that it doesn't affect dragon incantations is ****ing stupid.

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items you have to switch to have a way higher 'opportunity' cost than a ~1/wt talisman - based on my next assertion; all talismans have very negligible (albeit sometimes exactly what you need in terms of stats, etc) impact on their own. Came to get some info, and got it, scrolled down to comments and found the cast of Don't Pick Up The Phone. Inches make miles in Elden Ring, and aimless equips make YOU DIED

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Starting at 41 dex, after using this talisman the windup for lightning bolt was a good but faster. However, the actual charge didn’t seem to speed up as much. For lightning strike the entire animation seemed shorter, including the time before the actual strikes.

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Funny fun fact this talisman is completely obsolete as there is a wand that has more passive dex, i wonder what the thought process of the developers was...

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This needs to be somewhat reworked to actually give a faster cast speed. It's very negligible as is. Barely even a difference.

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Dark soul's 3 laugh in sage ring +2, Dark souls 2 laughs in cast speed being tied to Attunement (ds2 version of Mind) and to lesser extent to intelligence and faith, ds1 laughs in pyromancies not being tied to any stat but instead to upgrade level of pyromancy flame, demon souls laughs in fixed cast speed...

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too under powered. Hopefully dlc adds upgrade one that adds 50-60 VD

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Should give +50 virtual dex...

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So if 70 dex is maximum cast speed and this gives +30 to cast speed, does that mean that 40 dex plus this makes maximum cast speed?

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I dunno if it's because my DEX is already 50 or what but I notice literally no difference (even on long casts like Fortissax/Land/Burn O) with either this or Azur for incantations. Went through like 800 hours of ER before even finding this, then saw it was supposed to make this huge difference... I swear between this and Malenia it seems like we're all playing a different game

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Honestly wish they would just buff casting time to what this talisman sets sorc/incant to and rework this to do something else as it is pretty much a requirement to have.

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Great for blood mages using the thorn sorceries

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Did they fix the dragon incantations? I personally tested it and in fact I did write in this page those magics were not affected (the cast speed was so little different it actually didn't seem to provide any difference, while all other magics had a clearly shorter cast time).

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I know the wiki says +30 to spellcasting dexterity, but does anyone know if there’s a cap on spellcasting dexterity? For the quickest cast possible, would you want 69 dex + Radagon Icon or go all the way to 99 for 129 spellcasting dex? Or are there caps with diminishing results at 40/60/80 like with other stats?

This is the kind of info I come to a wiki for. I don’t need a needlessly complicated guide on where to find it that could be shown in a 30 second clip in the footnotes.

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Makes a difference in PvP. Use it

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For pvp, faith: it matters but is negligible depending on spells. Catch flame/wrath of gold/lightning bolt are the only offensive spells where it is necessary. It’s important if you’re gonna buff/heal in combat as well. But all other offensive spells, including triple rings/radagon rings, it’s not as important. I’m just pointing out that maybe jar talisman for armor, etc might be more worth while on faith builds, especially if their the fth/int melee hybrid type like me

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I have no idea what to say to people who claim this does not affect incantations other than use your eyes lmao. There is a very noticeable increase.

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not a big boost for one talisman slot tbh

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Are you sure it doesn't enhance incantations, it would directly contradict the in-game description...

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I wondered if Dex did anything for my Night Comet build so I did a test with Night Comet. Thought I'd share in case it helped someone.

My casts seemed much slower after respeccing out of Dex and I wasn't having fun anymore. So decided to do a test.

10 Base Dex = 10.77 seconds of chain casting until out of FP.

10 Base Dex + Radagon Icon (30 virtual Dex) + Azur 's Staff (40 virtual Dex) = 7.98 seconds of chain casting until out of FP.

Capping the Dex made the build go from tediously slow to really fun to play. Going to respec now and try to get to 70 Dex. It seems for Night Comet it does make a big difference. In my Incantation runs it didn't even seem to make a difference for the incants I was using.

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Why does it look like he has sunglasses on ?

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Watch Amir's video on youtube about spell cast speed if you are confused <3

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tell me how this is the last thing i need for plat... as a mage :-/

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i'd love a "virtual dex" tear for my wondrous physick. i like casting fast but don't like relying too heavily on leveling dex or azur's crummy staff

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This talisman seems OK for the most part but from what I've seen it the speed boost varies from spell to spell.

Slow/chargeable spells (ie. Loretta's greatbow, night comet, stone of gurranq, aspects of the crucible:tail) showed a albeit small difference in cast speed.

Spells that are already fast (ie, great glintstone shard, carian slicer, catch flame, pest threads) showed barely if little improvement.

Long story short the icon is only worth it if you're running slow/chargeable spells.

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Really needs +1 or +2 version, let us have max cast speed dammit...(would have been funny if + versions dropped off radagon instead of his hammer...)

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Ok for pve, much better in pvp. You can plan around slower casts and still hit the ai with what you want, but slower casts against players gives them a bigger window to counterattack or dodge.

Combining this with an off/main hand azur's glintstone staff will cap out your cast speed, no matter what dex you have. The staff can be used to speed up incantations as well.

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So how effective would that be If I say have 60 dexterity ? Would it give me any real benefits after I've reached softcap ?

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This works on all spells but longer cast spells have less effect.

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great for a str int build that doesnt want to put too many points into dex for the cast speed.

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Does any1 know If this works on carian slicer and the Others spellblade spells?

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People who are saying it doesn't work on incantations should test it on stone of Guraq. 10 v.dex vs 40 v.dex(30 from icon) is day and night difference in casting speed. Although i agree it doesn't seem to effect some other spells like dragon incants.

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Iirc, spells have two parts to them, startup/windup frames and casting/attacking frames. If you've used spells like Blackflame Blade or Catch Fire, they cast faster after an action like rolling or swinging your weapon. The attack frames stay the same, but the startup frames are greatly reduced. That's effectively what's happening with faster casting speeds, but with trimming off frames in the startup animation as your Dex/vDex increases. I think this means spells with larger startup times are going to see the most change, since they have more frames they are able to have trimmed. The entire spell may not be equally shortened, but the focus here is getting to the attacking, healing, or buffing frames faster.

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I think the confusion with this talisman is as so.
When they buffed the incantations in one of the bigger updates they seemed to make a distinction between a "Wind up animation" a "casting animation" and a "Recovery animation"
It could be that it speeds up the "Casting part" but not the wind up or the recovery.
If this is indeed true this amulet would suit sorceries and incantations that suffer from a long "Casting animation"
Hope this clears things up.

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Some comments say radagon icon doesn't work on incantations and I can see why. I don't do pvp so casting speed isn't a priority for me. I equipped this for the first time yesterday hoping it would make litany of proper death a bit faster. Its a situational incantation though so I don't use it all that often and I just assumed I was casting it faster by having this equipped but I'm not so sure. I did a run up the hill in dragonbarrow killing the guardians to get enough runes so I could max out the arrows in my inventory. The fastest I can kill those particular guardians is with one fully charged cast of frenzied burst with talismans and physik to enhance it. I've used that incantation a lot and I think the comments saying this talisman doesn't make it cast any faster might be right. I can't see any difference in its cast time with radagon icon equipped, fully charged or not. If using this talisman does make it cast a bit quicker its not noticeable and not worth wasting a talisman slot to get practically zero effect or benefit.

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Reading the comments yapping about this thing being useless makes me cringe so hard. Many newcomers never came to realize how slow casting sucks back in Dark Souls, and how Sage Ring became a must for every pure Caster build.

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Can’t confirm but I think this works on moonveil spells

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Seems to work on pest threads, tried it on Black blade but I couldn't see much of a difference.

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>sees someone complaining this item doesnt do anything
>checks their build
>99dex
>lol

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Is this worth it on healer builds?

UwU~

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For all of you wet noodle out there lambasting people for thinking this boosts incantations... You are the ones who need to learn how to read.

"A legendary talisman depicting the Elden Lord Radagon.
Shortens the casting time of sorceries and incantations. " <---- Please learn to read before you condescend to people on the internet.

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Really wish there were +1 and +2 versions of this like the sage ring from DS3. I like using doubles of the same staff to maximize damage from one school of sorcery without increasing FP cost. Unfortunately, points are really tight at 150.

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TO EXPERIENCE ITS FULL EFFECT YOU NEED 40 DEX FIRST TO BE AT THE CAST SPEED CAP OF 70

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This does NOT shorten the time to do any Dragon's breath incantation. In fact, neither this nor the Roar Medallion help the Dragon's breath attacks.

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I think other commentors are right that it doesn't work on incantations. I tried it with frenzied burst and noticed no difference at all. And if there is a difference, it's imperceptible and not worth using when there are so many good talismans.

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To those wondering if this actually speeds up spells by an advantageous amount, try the repeating attack of Carian Slicer with and without this Talisman. Very noticeable difference with 10 base Dex.

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I was using this with incantations at 27 Dex.

It was so imperceptible at first that I wondered if it was actually doing anything, but I eventually noticed a small difference on spells like Frenzied Burst.

I honestly don't know if I'd recommend this to anytone aside from very low Dex characters.

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So, if my Dex is already 70 or higher, this does nothing, right?

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Just been testing and I'm pretty sure this does not affect incantations. I noticed my incantations were slow so I took some of the most common ones; bestial sling, honed bolt, wrath of gold, o flame, catch flame, Fortissax's lightning spear, etc. and timed how long it took me to empty an entire fp bar with and without the icon, every time getting the exact same score.
It could be that it reduces the wind up and increases the wind down frames but I find that unlikely.
Maybe I just happened to only chose exceptions to Radagon's casting buff but this too seems unlikely.
I really think this should boost incantation speed which is why I am so disappointed that it doesn't seem to.
Can someone else test this as well and if it doesn't boost incantation speed can we change the wiki because I have been using this for apparently no reason for weeks.

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