Staff of the Great Beyond | Elden Ring Wiki

Doesn't scale as well as Golden Order Seal or Prince of Death (backloaded at high stats) but the sheer utility of having one less thing to micromanage for casting is probably worth it alone

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Catalyst for Incantations AND Sorceries.

Alongside Rellana's Twinblades this is the Perfect Weapon for my Divine Battlemage.

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This with SoNaF would be a fun battle mage, full arsenal of elememts and options with very managable stat spread

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Now only if they had 1 talisman that enhanced both

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At 60/55 it has 324 to the 359 of the Golden Order Seal, which is only a small price to pay for the sheer utility it brings.

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Prince of Death's Staff may outclass this at really high Int/Faith levels, but this is arguably better than the PoD Staff for the simple reason of it being able to use both Spells AND Incantations.

Imagine being able to buff yourself up with incantations like Golden Vow and FGMS and then being able to unleash Stars of Ruin or Adula's Moonblade without needing both a Seal and a Staff separately. Or if you wanna get a little funky, cast Terra Magica and unleash Frozen Lightning Spear or Glintstone Breath.

What this staff lacks in power compared to PoD it more than makes up for in sheer versatility. Don't sleep on it just because it doesn't deal a craptrillion damage right out the gate.

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I finally got this on my int/faith hybrid. This thing is so freaking cool. The sheer utility of combining any spell in the game wins the spell boost conversation every day of the week. I found this to compliment well with Golden order seal as you will get better healing spell results with the A faith scaling on golden order. In addition this completely opens up viable hybrid casters at meta level. The magic boost curve, as stated by many other below peaks a lot earlier than PoD staff. The mixups in PVP will be INSANE.

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Finally got this yesterday on my int faith hybrid caster/spellsword. The pure utility of combining literally any freaking spell beats the raw spell boost of the staff by a mile, every day of the week. Like specific spells? No problem. Throw that specialized seal/staff in your offhand and profit. I’ve just been combing discus of light into swift glintstone shard killing most trash mobs with 8fp from range. This is going to be INSANE IN PVP.

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As someone who never plays caster, this is all I asked for because I can use both incantations and sorceries. Idc about the numbers even. I do wish we were able to get a catalyst that lets you use bare hands but it’s still pretty cool. I love the doo hikey.

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Sure, the scaling isn't the best, but counterpoint: casting sorceries and incantations at the same time is fun

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I have 60int & 60faith with no modifiers. With these stats, the staff of the great beyond (ss327) has 1 more sorcery scaling point than the prince of death staff (ss326). So this staff is generally stronger than the prince of death staff, and it is much more versatile in that you are able to cast both sorceries and miracles, AND prince of death staff actually weighs more lol. How crazy.. The only practical reason to use prince of death staff now is if you're a dark hearted guy that likes death sorcery! Staff of the great beyond looks lame cosmetically, but that's just my opinion. It's very short & stumpy compared to other staffs.

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This thing casts incantations AND sorceries?!

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Why cant i upgrade this staff?

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The softcap seems to be 43/43, 306 scaling at +10. The scaling is 308 at 44/44 or 45/43 and 309 at 45/45.

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Tested sorcery scalings compared to the other 2 int-faith staves. It consistently outclasses both of them (with even int+faith levels) until 61/61, where prince of death's staff is better.

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Beats the POD at 60/60 by a few points

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Been waiting for this since launch after Sanctum Shield from Ds2 and Crystal Chime in Ds3. Its about the convenience and slot optimization

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More of a rod than a staff.

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people are complaining that prince of death staff outdamages this on 80/80 fth/int, as if anyone is going to have that much investment on a normal build

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I wish I didn't have to keep ringing the bell every time I have to relight this!

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So, in terms of soft caps. Is it better to use it at 50, 55 or 60 int/faith?

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cool staff

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God could you have imagined this thing back when chain casting was a thing?

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I love this, it's so convenient.

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Loses in terms of scaling at 80/80 when compared to Prince of Death staff. However, can cast both types of spells, which the stronger staff can not do.

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Interested to see how this scales at levels up to 45/45 compared to how the Gelmir staff does.

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I dont really see why people are complaining about this staff. I just tested it at 60/60 and it was actually slightly beating PoD for damage on everything except death sorcery. PoD is probably better at 80/80 since its scaling is better but that doesnt seem like an unreasonable trade for this being able to cast incantations too

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this weapon is one that costed a remembrance... the number being that bad at +10 is insulting

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Best INT/FAI staff for meta level build, at lvl 150 wiith 45/45 each intelligence and faith, the scalling is 309, which higher than both "Prince of Death's Staff (266)" and "Gelmir Glintstone Staff (282)". Another important trait of this staff is that it can cast both incantation an magic at the same time, very convenient for mix type casters.

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I came here to see what incants and sorceries people are mixing. Instead everyone’s crying its not optimal

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INT/FTH is already a pretty niche build, the advantages of investing into a second spellcasting stat vs a melee stat are pretty questionable at best. Over 2 years into the game the build finally gets its second proper tool after sword of night and flame and we're here arguing that it's fine that it's mediocre because otherwise it would stop us from having to awkwardly juggle spells and catalysts, which is probably the worst and most cumbersome gameplay in the entirety of Elden Ring. I might have been ok with the current scaling if the staff had some kind of interesting skill on it but as it's probably too late for that scaling ought to be buffed, probably to like 380-400. Prince of death still outscales by like 40 points and golden order seal could be buffed a little too if we're that worried about it being made obsolete, and both have buffs for their respective spell schools that would further give them advantages over this staff even if the scaling were comparable.

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At the time of this comment ( June 24, 2024 3:57 est) Inescapable Frenzy does no damage or Frenzy buildup with this staff.

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This weapon definitly seems to be bugged. I'm 71 int and 78 faith which is less stats than most people at 80/80 and my scaling is at 345 which is higher than some people who say they are only getting 313. Stats have been increasing as I leveled also so not sure whats going on.

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The Greater Will is the painter from DS3.

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Steph’s pretty all right as it is right now the only thing I would change is to make the scaling on the weapon 390 as a base That still technically less than the golden order seal more than the dragon communion seal which it should because dragon communion seal has the bonus of being better with status that way it’s a decently high damage shield that also is able to cast everything making it a good utility that still does decent damage. This should not be on par with the crystal staff at +9 if anything it stat should be on par with the staff of great beyond, because generally staff should do more damage than their status affect counterpart like golden order does more damage than dragon seal but the dragon seal better status build up that’s how that works It shouldn’t be as good as the prince of death staff because Prince of death staff can only cast those sorceries, but it should at least be on par with the maternal staff, especially since the maternal staff is on par with Lusats Well, still getting the effects of having arcane scaling meaning it’s really good for status

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If it had better scaling that made other catalyst obsolete would that really be a bad thing?

A 80/80 int faith caster is a heavy stat investment that would take quite a bit of time to acquire and adding on the fact that this staff is way more work to get than the golden order seal or prince of death staff and it holds more lore significance than either of them since its the remembrance weapon of the first beast to come to the lands between.

At the very least 370, or 380 scaling at 80/80? Like come on!

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At +10 with 80/80 Int/Fth the staff has 313 scaling. Far from the worst, but definitely not the best. I suppose it's fair for being able to cast anything.

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Why is everyone getting different numbers? Mine has 313 scaling at +10 and 80 int/faith.

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YO HYBRID CATALYST FINALLY THANK YOU MIYAZAKI

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Should it have worse scaling than single-type staves/seals? Yes.

Did it need to have a scaling that's THIS BAD? No.

If the difference was a mere 10%, min-max-focused people would already go for the staff + seal route, so it would already make it so this isn't "the one true catalyst".

As it is right now, though... Unless someone finds a very cool combo by quickly switching between a sorcery and an incantation, this is pretty pointless. I mean the Golden Order Seal weighs ZERO, so there isn't even an argument about weight...

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Being able to cast all spells while not having the best scaling = meant for being a utility staff rather than a pure damage staff.

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why couldn't have this been a seal that was the great beyond orb and didnt look like a burnt stick

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people really complaining that this doesn't have max scaling when that would make all the other int/fai catalysts obsolete. it's a trade-off for a universal tool that saves a considerable amount of combat swapping so you aren't juggling two catalysts and sets of spells. no, it's not the end of the world if your lightning spear does 827 instead of 964 and if it IS then you're already gonna be playing the meta with juggling catalysts anyways and shouldn't be using this.

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oh well it looks cool enough

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Stupid imput but thing needs a buff to like 400. Not quite as good as a maxed out Luset and not as good as PoD staff with 80/80. But being able to cast incantations would make that worth. Cause no one is using this otherwise except for roleplay purposes. Which sucks, cause it looks amazing.

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Soft caps at 45/45 Int/Fai with 309 sorcery scaling. Not great not terrible. More practical in meta levels than gelmir or prince of death, with the bonus of casting incants.

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Soft caps at 45/45 Int/Fai with 309 spell scaling. It's still not fantastic but a lot more practical than gelmir or prince of death.

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Soft caps at 45/45 Int/Fai with 309 sorcery scaling, which is a lot more practical in meta PvP levels (around RL150) than Prince of Death, which is useless until RL 200-250.

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I just got this staff a little bit ago. I'm a level 375, pure 99 INT/FAI caster, and I juggle the PoD staff and the Golden Order seal in my right hand, and booster staves/seals in the left.
I leveled the SotGB up to +10 and it gave me a sorcery scaling of 373. This is significantly less than the PoD at 448, and with testing on night comet I was dealing about 18% less damage per shot, which lines up well with the 448 to 373 difference. The Golden Order Seal is 418 versus that 373 scaling, which comes in at a smaller 11% difference.

I also tested the faith scaling with heals. My Gravel Stone Sea (343) healed me with Erdtree Heal for 2024, while the SotGB only healed for 1404, so it definitely doesn't scale with both.

Although I love the model, honestly that's just too much of an ask; as a pure caster I'd rather just deal with the clunky swapping around of my staff and seal. I tend to focus on one damage type anyway for talisman support. However, if spells take more of a backseat to weapons for you, I could see some value here by being able to cast both from one slot, cleaning up your bar a little bit. In this case, the convenience might be worth it.

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This has 376 sorc scaling at 99 int faith. Not bad for incantations, since those scalings are typically lower.

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For those trying to invest in a Faith Int hybrid, this DLC has been absolutely generous with Rellana's blades to help with melee support and low fp cost ranged and aoe weap on arts. But as far as this staff is concerned, you're better off switching back and forth between a seal and stave in your off hand. This is not for 150 builds. And FROM isn't adhering to a "150" rule. But if players plan to go to 175 it might be a different story.

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352 I’ll take it that’s on par with Erdtree seal and almost regal royal

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Guys, it's not SUPPOSED to have the best scaling, its advantage is being a staff and a seal at the same time. It'd be lame af if there was no reason NOT to use one specific weapon on literally every Int/Fai build.

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just tested this out fully upgraded not even at 300 scaling with 40in/40fait

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im curious if this staff is better at something like 40/40, cause pod is extremely bad when either attribute is below 60. if this can get about 320, it would be good for lv150-

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Ok this weapon + the thrusting sword/catalyst have to be bugged. Either that or they need a huge buff. The scaling/damage is abysmal.

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To everyone that says the scaling is lower than the Prince of Death Staff, you can have it in your off hand and get the buff and there are also the fragments that power up your character in the shadow realm

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80/80 is 352 scaling

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DO NOT UPGRADE THIS, the weapons is either terrible or bugged at 80/80 INT/FTH it only has 143 scaling at +10. that means a low int build with an un upgraded meteorite staff will do more dmg than this. please save your somber stones until this gets patched.

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So does the scaling work on this? When you cast Sorceries does their damage scale with your INT and when casting Incantations they scale with your FAI? Or does it make it so both Sorceries and Incantations scale with BOTH INT and FAI? Since you can supposedly cast all spells with just this one staff?

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So does the scaling work on this? When you cast Sorceries does their damage scale with your INT and when casting Incantations they scale with your FAI? Or does it make it so both Sorceries and Incantations scale with BOTH INT and FAI? Since you can supposedly cast all spells with just this one staff?

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Staff of The Great Kid

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Curious if anybody knows the 80/80 scaling

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Anyone found it yet?

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I can't believe the entire conflict of the setting is due to the GW being a ****ing deadbeat dad.

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This is what the staff of the death prince and golden order seal wish they were.

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Great now I'm tempted to do INT/FAI for the DLC.

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I wish there was a seal counterpart, or some other weapon type that can cast sorceries.

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Well, they finally gave us something that can cast any kind of spell since the Talisman of Beasts way back in Demon's souls.

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Cast both incantations and sorceries?

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