Staff of the Guilty

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attack power elden ring wiki guide 18Attack
Phy 38
Mag 0
Fire 0
Ligt 0
Holy 0
Crit 100
Sor 127
guarded damage negation elden ring wiki guide 18Guard
Phy 28
Mag 17
Fire 17
Ligt 17
Holy 17
Boost 17

attribute scaling elden ring wiki guide 18Scaling
Str D
Fai C
attributes required elden ring wiki guide 18Requires
Str 8
Fai 12
Glintstone Staff Strike
No Skill FP -
Wgt.  4.5

passive effects elden ring wiki guide 18Passive 
hemmorage (45)

Boosts Thorn Sorcery

Staff of the Guilty is a Glintstone Staff in Elden Ring. The Staff of the Guilty scales primarily with Faith and Strength and is a good Weapon for Blood Thorn Sorcery. 

  

A heretical staff fashioned from a smoldering, withered sapling that turns the blood of sacrifices pierced by it into glintstone. Similar to hex magic.

Sorceries are scaled with faith rather than intelligence when wielding this staff which enhances Thorn sorceries in particular.

 

Where to Find Staff of the Guilty

  • Drops only from Thorn Sorcerers wielding blazing staves, not from Thorn Sorcerers wielding smoldering staves.
  • Fort Laiedd: Can be dropped by the Thorn Sorcerers at Fort Laiedd, though it is rare (2% base).
  • Guardians' Garrison: There are several Thorn Sorcerers on the slope leading up to the garrison.

 

Staff of the Guilty Notes & Tips

  • Weapon Skill: No skill.
  • This weapon can be infused with Spinning Weapon Ash of War.
  • Staff of the Guilty can be upgraded by using Smithing Stones.
  • Causes Blood loss Buildup: hemmorage (45)
  • Does not scale with intelligence, though any spell's minimum required intelligence is still needed when using the staff.
  • Boosts  the damage of Thorn Sorceries by 20%. Thorn sorceries include Briars of Punishment and Briars of Sin.
  • Sell Value:  er runes 13 100
  • Base drop rate is 2% (at 100 Discovery).
  • Equipping the Ash of War: Spinning Weapon to this weapon will allow you to make use of it's native bleed build up.
  • Due to its subpar scaling this staff is best used in the off-hand while power-stancing with the Albinauric Staff in the main hand, which scales with Arcane and thus boosts the Bloodloss build up of the Abberant Sorceries.
  • Other notes and player tips go here

 

Moveset & Videos in Elden Ring for Staff of the Guilty

 

Staff of the Guilty Upgrades in Elden Ring

Please see the Upgrades page to understand the weapon bolstering process.

Requires regular reinforcement with Smithing Stone [1]Smithing Stone [2]Smithing Stone [3]Smithing Stone [4]Smithing Stone [5]Smithing Stone [6]Smithing Stone [7]Smithing Stone [8], and Ancient Dragon Smithing Stone.

Sorcery Scaling for this staff is based on Faith stat, unlike other staffs. The Sor Scaling reflected in the table below takes data from a user with 24 Faith; you may see different numbers at different Faith levels.

This upgrade can be enchanted with Magic or boosted with Consumables. The Sorcery Scaling displayed on this table shows Minimum Requirement and Faith 80 as xx-yy.

  Attack Power Stat Scaling Passive Effects Damage Reduction (%)
Staff of the Guilty Phy Sor Scaling* Mag Fir Lit Hol Sta Str Dex Int Fai Arc Any Phy Mag Fir Lit Hol Bst Rst
Standard 38 109 - 179 - - - - 23 D - - C -

hemmorage (45)

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28 17 17 17 17 17 11
Standard +1 39 110 - 186 - - - - 23 D - - C -

hemmorage (45)

Boosts Thorn Sor.

28 17 17 17 17 17 11
Standard +2 40 111 - 192 - - - - 24 D - - C -

hemmorage (45)

Boosts Thorn Sor.

28 17 17 17 17 17 11
Standard +3 41 112 - 198 - - - - 25 D - - B -

hemmorage (45)

Boosts Thorn Sor.

28 17 17 17 17 17 11
Standard +4 42 112 - 205 - - - - 26 D - - B -

hemmorage (45)

Boosts Thorn Sor.

28 17 17 17 17 17 11
Standard +5 43 113 - 211 - - - - 27 D - - B -

hemmorage (45)

Boosts Thorn Sor.

28 17 17 17 17 17 11
Standard +6 44 114 - 218 - - - - 28 D - - B -

hemmorage (45)

Boosts Thorn Sor.

28 17 17 17 17 17 11
Standard +7 45 115 - 224 - - - - 29 D - - B -

hemmorage (45)

Boosts Thorn Sor.

28 17 17 17 17 17 11
Standard +8 47 116 - 230 - - - - 30 D - - B -

hemmorage (45)

Boosts Thorn Sor.

28 17 17 17 17 17 11
Standard +9 48 116 - 237 - - - - 31 D - - B -

hemmorage (45)

Boosts Thorn Sor.

28 17 17 17 17 17 11
Standard +10 49 117 - 243 - - - - 32 D - - B -

hemmorage (45)

Boosts Thorn Sor.

28 17 17 17 17 17 11
Standard +11 50 118 - 250 - - - - 33 D - - A -

hemmorage (45)

Boosts Thorn Sor.

28 17 17 17 17 17 11
Standard +12 51 119 - 256 - - - - 34 D - - A -

hemmorage (45)

Boosts Thorn Sor.

28 17 17 17 17 17 11
Standard +13 52 120 - 262 - - - - 34 D - - A -

hemmorage (45)

Boosts Thorn Sor.

28 17 17 17 17 17 11
Standard +14 53 120 - 269 - - - - 35 D - - A -

hemmorage (45)

Boosts Thorn Sor.

28 17 17 17 17 17 11
Standard +15 55 121 - 275 - - - - 36 D - - A -

hemmorage (45)

Boosts Thorn Sor.

28 17 17 17 17 17 11
Standard +16 56 122 - 281 - - - - 37 D - - A -

hemmorage (45)

Boosts Thorn Sor.

28 17 17 17 17 17 11
Standard +17 57 123 - 288 - - - - 38 D - - S -

hemmorage (45)

Boosts Thorn Sor.

28 17 17 17 17 17 11
Standard +18 58 123 - 294 - - - - 39 C - - S -

hemmorage (45)

Boosts Thorn Sor.

28 17 17 17 17 17 11
Standard +19 59 124 - 301 - - - - 40 C - - S -

hemmorage (45)

Boosts Thorn Sor.

28 17 17 17 17 17 11
Standard +20 60 125 - 307 - - - - 41 C - - S -

hemmorage (45)

Boosts Thorn Sor.

28 17 17 17 17 17 11
Standard +21 61 126 - 313 - - - - 42 C - - S -

hemmorage (45)

Boosts Thorn Sor.

28 17 17 17 17 17 11
Standard +22 63 127 - 320 - - - - 43 C - - S -

hemmorage (45)

Boosts Thorn Sor.

28 17 17 17 17 17 11
Standard +23 64 127 - 326 - - - - 44 C - - S -

hemmorage (45)

Boosts Thorn Sor.

28 17 17 17 17 17 11
Standard +24 65 128 - 333 - - - - 45 C - - S -

hemmorage (45)

Boosts Thorn Sor.

28 17 17 17 17 17 11
Standard +25 66 129 - 339 - - - - 46 C - - S -

hemmorage (45)

Boosts Thorn Sor.

28 17 17 17 17 17 11

 

 




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    • Anonymous

      Lot of comments indicating that this staff is useless, but that's really not entirely true. If you're primarily a faith caster, only splashing enough INT to gain access to some utility cast sorceries, this ends up being a decent choice for those. (Glintstone Arc, Scholar's Armament/Shield, etc.)

      Obviously, for more developed hybrid casters you're likely to gain more benefit from Prince of Death or Gelmir, but at 50 Fth no other staff will scale as nicely until you hit 26 INt (at which point Gelmir takes lead) - and at 60 faith, no other staff scales as well until you hit 33 INT, at which point Prince of Death takes lead.

      • Anonymous

        They should just remove Albinauric staff and let this one do what it does as well as boost thorn sorc. Too much redundant crap in this game that is useless.

        • Anonymous

          So the Scholars Weapon spell says it only buffs with the int section of sorcery scaling. So what happens if you use this to cast it?

          • Anonymous

            In my opinion this staff should have given a boost to the bleed build up of thorn spells in addition to its current damage bonus

            • Anonymous

              Alright... I'ma blow your minds with two facts:
              1- the Staff is made from the same stuff that killed the giants that died before the Shattering, which you can see right before the arena of the Fire Giant. I personally believe these to be a form of Death affliction like the ones spewed from the Basilisks.
              2- there is a creature killed for the red glintstone. It appears to be a small rodent. Kinda like the jumping squirrels hopping around in the game.

              • Anonymous

                Fextra could really use some better curation on their pages with descriptions like this:

                "Using this staff as a Arc/Str build, 50/36 allows to use the Marais Executioner's Sword and Mohgwyn's Sacred Spear with good damage, and at 24 Faith you have access to the blood incantations, eksykes decay and the thorn spells, lot of options, though this staff (and the thorn spells) should scale with arc as well"

                Like first off, that build makes zero sense and doesn't have any real synergy, also maybe don't tell Fromsoft how to design this staff when an ARC scaling staff already exists (the Albinauric Staff).

                • Anonymous

                  It greatly annoys me this staff does not have the special attack the briars use with it as a unique Ash of War

                  • Anonymous

                    Hmm. You know, I overlooked this thing. Much like how Int can use Frenzied Flame Seal to cast the rare useful int-incantations like Law of Regression, so too can faith cast sorceries with this. The catch is that sorceries just don't have a lot of low-level spells worth casting, and it would defeat the purpose of a faith-scaling staff to use non-scaling sorceries like Frozen Weapon or Terra Magica (for those Glintstone breath buffs, lol). But spellcasting bleed options are usually limited to Flies, so this does open up some options if Bloodboon and Bloodflame Talons aren't cutting it.

                    • Anonymous

                      From soft really missed the mark with intellect/faith hybrid builds. They really should do some adjustments when DLC drops. The set up is there, they just dropped the ball on scaling and damage for death and blood sorcery. Magma sorcery is decent, but the gelmir staff is garbage. Prince of death staff needs better scaling without investing 80/80 into intellect/faith. Death sorceries need to be expanded upon. The rancor spells are great because you can charge them and they have great tracking, but their damage makes a hybrid build completely inferior in comparison to a pure sorcerer. Pure intellect has a plethora of choices in staves and sorceries. Multiple choices in boss shredding spells. Comet Azur and Meteor can absolutely destroy the elden beast even. Why isn’t there a death or magma sorcery that can do similar? Sword of night and flame is such a cool weapon and can do extreme damage, but trying to match the build with sorcery just makes it feel completely inferior. How can ancient death rancor and rykards rancor compete with comet, comet azur, night comet or, Loretta’s mastery? the list goes on… hope they fix it.

                      • Anonymous

                        I really wish the one staff in the game that scaled solely with faith had a more holy look to it. This is ironically one of the most evil looking staves.

                        • Anonymous

                          There's a lot of wrong/confusing info on this page, after testing this staff at +24 with multiple respecs I can say the following:

                          Both the physical attack and sorcery scaling are increased by Faith stat.
                          It has no scaling on any other stat, despite the fact it shows Strength scaling it actually has none at all, there is no difference in physical damage or sorcery scaling between 10 Strength and 80 Strength (most likely a bug).
                          Bleed buildup on this staff only applies to the physical attack, sorcery will not proc bleed when cast with this, and bleed buildup does not increase with Arcane.
                          The 20% boost to Thorn Sorceries provides less benefit to high Arcane players than casting those sorceries with Albinauric Staff, since the Arcane scaling on that staff increases the bleed buildup of those sorceries while this staff does not.

                          TLDR : This staff is a niche weapon for high Faith players to access sorceries with low INT requirements, or as an offhand weapon when casting Thorn Sorceries

                          • Anonymous

                            The thing at the end of the staff is a small sacrificed animal but I can’t help but see it as a roasted marshmallow from the inventory icon

                            • Anonymous

                              Questions:

                              Why can't this also cast Incantations? Given the enemies its from use both Blood Thorn Sorceries as well as Fire Giant Incantations.

                              Why doesn't this have a WA that's the flaming bloodthorn whip attack that the enemies that drop this use?

                              • Anonymous

                                As I can't see it listed anywhere here... It boosts Thorn Sorceries by 20%.

                                Meanwhile, what's with the recent comments about this scaling with Arc (As well as notes and tips including a comment about using this in a Str/Arc build) when it scales with Fth not Arc?

                                • Anonymous

                                  I wish theyd modify this staff to also buff Blood Incantations since all 2 Thorn Sorceries have Faith requirements on them and this weapon scales on Arcane and the Blood Incants require Arcane to cast. This would increase your array of available spells and incants to use if you were to run a Blood Mage sort of build that heavily relies on casting spells and incants.

                                  • Anonymous

                                    Using this staff as a Arc/Str build, 50/36 allows to use the Marais Executioner sword and Mohg's Spear with good damage, and at 24 faith you have access to the blood incantations, eksykes decay and the thorn spells, lot of options, though this staff (and the thorn spells) should scale with arc as well

                                    • Anonymous

                                      I'm having an absolute blast with Thorn Sorceries, I hope they add more in DLC, perhaps "Briars of Incineration", a melee spell sort of like the fiery one Thorn Sorcerers use, or "Ensnaring Briars" which can be placed down like a trap that does high poise damage to whoever steps on it. Probably wishful thinking but only 2 spells is a little low, hopefully they flesh them out a bit, and give us more Alberich lore, his design is so cool.

                                      • "causes slight blood loss buildup" at 45 vs. Bloodstained Dagger's "causes blood loss buildup" at 38
                                        Yes, both are lower than the blood affinity's boost or Reduvia's innate blood loss thing, but that's just funny.

                                        • I made a pure faith sorcerer build that uses this. Really confuses people when i combo glintblade phalanx into prelate’s charge. Niche usage but it fits that niche well.

                                          • Anonymous

                                            Confirmed this can be dropped by the lone slug fire sorcerer in Liurnia of the Lakes, north of artist shack.

                                            • Anonymous

                                              Gonna use and upgrade this on my Pure faith build just to weird people out by casting glintstone pebble after throwing out a bunch of incantations.

                                              • Anonymous

                                                I am entirely fine with the fact that it can't cast both. I just want there to be a hotbar so I don't have to cycle through all of my spells as I wield a seal and this thing.

                                                • Anonymous

                                                  To those who haven't figured it out. Only the mobs with that have the staff on fire can actually drop the staff.
                                                  This means you can farm the one that drops the thorn sorcery in Liurna, north of the Artist's Shack grace.

                                                  • Anonymous

                                                    Will scholars armament scale with faith if you use this staff or is it just intelligence only no matter what?

                                                    • Anonymous

                                                      Why would you ever use this over the Gelmir or Prince of Deaths? Perhaps if you were just doing pure faith and wanted to use the Briars of Sin and Punishment, but I feel like they missed an opportunity with this staff. The blood sorcerers who utilize this have much more thorn sorceries then what is offered in this game. They could have added the Fire/Thorn Slash that the sorcerers use as innate weapon art for this staff as well, similar to how the preachers right arm in DS3 had an innate special sorcery weapon art.

                                                      • Anonymous

                                                        2% base drop is so much better than locking it behind an early late game boss. Welcome back, Golden Ritual Spear.

                                                        • Anonymous

                                                          It would be cool as hell for this to turn glintstone sorcery red because it’s turning blood into glintstone

                                                          • I received both the Staff of the Guilty and the Briars of Sin in the same drop so I thought they were both a guaranteed drop, but on a second attempt I only got the Sorcery. I've been trying to farm the staff for hours off the same enemy. T_T

                                                            • Anonymous

                                                              I see a lot of potential in this item, it may not have the same incredible potential that the Tin Darkmoon Catalyst did in DS1, then again only requiring 16 Intelligence for the most broken spell in the game (Dark Bead) tends to do that. But there are a good number of spells that are pretty low in the Intelligence requirement.

                                                              Spells available with 16 Intelligence:
                                                              1. Glintstone Pebble
                                                              2. Glintstone Stars
                                                              3. Carian Slicer
                                                              4. Night Maiden's Mist (worth mentioning even if it doesn't do damage in a traditional sense)
                                                              5. Magic Glintblade
                                                              6. Scholar's Shield
                                                              7. Magic Downpour
                                                              8. Glintstone Icecrag/Great Glintstone Shard
                                                              9. Unseen Form (great utility)

                                                              18 Intelligence:
                                                              1. Night Shard
                                                              2. Rock Sling
                                                              3. Lucidity (great utility)
                                                              4. Gravity Well

                                                              22 Intelligence:
                                                              1. Rock Blaster (got buffed apparently)
                                                              2. Glintblade Phalanx
                                                              3. Freezing Mist

                                                              At this point it's IMO best to not level Intelligence further, however with the Stargazer's Herloom can get you up to 27 Intelligence from here which gets you:
                                                              1. Cannon of Haima
                                                              2. Gavel of Haima
                                                              3. Loretta's Greatbow
                                                              4. Carian Greatsword
                                                              5. Ambush Shard
                                                              6. Star Shower
                                                              7. Shard Spiral

                                                              In total at 22 Intelligence you get 31 additional sorceries that you can use with this on top of the two that this synergizes with. You also get Order's Blade and Immutable Shield with this as well. Hopefully this gets formatted correctly and not turns into one giant wall of text.

                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                From a mainly PVP perspective: I don't think this staff is good per se, but I do think it's usable and definitely misunderstood. Don't make a blood mage build, you get 2 okay spells that don't even do that much damage. This staff is for people who already have a faith build and want to dip their toe into sorcery.

                                                                Drop a few points into int or even just equip the Starscourge Heirloom and you hit reqs for a couple really solid spells like swift shard, magic glintblade, carian slicer, arc, and of course pebble. Between the two aberrant spells, briars of sin is probably better because it combos out of shard/pebble/glintblade to reduce the casting time and snag people who charge in when they see you casting.

                                                                I love using this thing, what I think people are missing is the weird unique cross-synergy between certain sorceries/incantations/faith WAs that you'd never be able to do otherwise. Glintblade spam into gold breaker / takers flames / establish order for example, or bestial sling into carian slicer if youve got quick fingers. I sorta wish int builds had a kind-of-meh int-scaling-only sacred seal so that they could experience something similar.

                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                  10 arcane and no item discovery boost:

                                                                  ~280k runes = ~740 kills (377 runes per kill - Fort Laiedd) = 2 staff of the guilty

                                                                  0,27% drop rate...

                                                                  And 170 smoldering butterfly. (~23% drop rate).

                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                    Confirming the fact that staff drops from a staff monk whi drops briars of sin spell near Eastern Tableland.

                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                      If you want to use Thorn Sorceries, use the Albinauric Staff. The arcane scaling on the Albinauric staff will increase bleed, and at 45 Int and 45 Arcane the Sorcery scaling is dramatically better than Staff of the Guilty even at high faith. Even with points spent in Faith to meet requirements, the Albinauric staff is usually more efficient than other hybrid glintstone staves as well as benefitting more from Marika's Soreseal, Silver Tear Mask Godrick's Rune etc. Staff of the Guilty can still boost the damage of Thorn Sorceries just by having it equipped, so keep it on your offhand and cast with the Albinauric staff instead.

                                                                      This staff is still decent as it allows Faith builds to cast low Int sorceries with Faith scaling, which can be situationally helpful.

                                                                      At 80 faith, Staff of the Guilty is better for sorceries at 22 int and below, otherwise Prince of Death is better.

                                                                      At 60 faith, Staff of the Guilty is better for sorceries at 32 int and below, otherwise Prince of Death is better.

                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                        Surprisingly good for lvl 60-80 PvP. 14 INT is enough to get you access to some of the best PVP sorceries in the game to supplement Thorn spells. At 14 INT, you have Carian Slicer, Swift Glintstone Shard, Magic Glintblade, and other, more niche spells. Briars of Punishment makes a good substitute for your typical hard-hitting ranged attack, with great range, solid damage, being harder to see, and surprisingly, it crosses gaps invisibly and can surprise people on the other side. Briars of Sin is PHENOMENAL at close range to wipe the floor with overly aggressive players, and you can chain Briars of Punishment, Swift Glintstone Shard, and most usefully, Carian Slicer into Briars of Sin to surprise people with big damage out of nowhere. None of these spells use much FP at all so you can literally use like 15 mind on this build. Don't listen to people who sell this thing short, yes it's suboptimal at higher levels, maybe needs a buff, but it has its place right now where it performs very respectably.

                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                          If you are a pure faith build running 80 faith, this staff isn't absolutely a terrible idea. You get access to buffed thorn spells, as well as being able to cast some of the low level sorceries at decent levels of damage.

                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                            Why does a staff exist for the sole purpose of boosting 2 sorceries? Unless they plan on adding more thorn magic I just don't see why you'd use this.

                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                              At 60 faith, this gets S scaling at +25 for sorc scaling of 271. Don't know how that compares to other staves but the Erdtree Seal is 273 incant scaling with the same character stats.

                                                                              • This staff could be so fun if you didn't have to jump through so many hoops just to have it perform below average. I really hope From Soft reworks Guilty to have some ARC scaling so that FAITH/ARC builds can make use of it as a mirror to the dragon communion seal, without needing to invest in another staff just for the bleed to proc and extra INT to reach decent scaling. Or just make it a hybrid weapon so Guilty can at least cast incantations as is..

                                                                                So many stats and tools just to make it and the thorn spells compete, and THEN they're expensive to cast as well. Sucks cause the Alberich's drip goes hard and the faith-based sorceries are a fun concept and they actually look cool. RIP Blasphemous Bloodmage

                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                  This really should just have the same scaling as the Dragon Communion Seal; can't take advantage of the bleed component of thorn sorceries without Arcane scaling.

                                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                                    Can confirm you can get this from the guys near Seethewater Terminus. 23 arc plus silver foot got it fairly easily.

                                                                                    • Got this to drop fairly easily actually. Just kept attacking the fire witch outside of Fort Laiedd. I think I got it on maybe my 3rd round of killing them? Had the silver scarab equipped and only 16 arcane so? Idk that's RNG for you.

                                                                                      • Got this to drop fairly easily actually. Just kept attacking the fire witch outside of Fort Laiedd. I think I got it on maybe my 3rd round of killing them? Had the silver scarab equipped and only 16 arcane so? Idk that's RNG for you.

                                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                                          So sad it scales on faith and is not usable on my pure int build... literally the best staff, both looking and the only one with bleed :C

                                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                                            I’m not entirely sure if I was just insanely lucky but from the seethwater Terminus site of grave I headed straight climbed up the rocks kept heading straight then when I hit the wooden fences I made a left (south) to see a few cultist fighting soldiers, killed them and one dropped it on my first try. No item discovery Equiptment was in use at all.

                                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                                              Can confirm this indeed drops from the same lady that gives you Briar Of Sin when you kill her in Liurnia, Eastern Tableland grace. Took me about 44 minutes, but that's RNG for you. Don't think the other witches around could drop it, her staff is uniquely different from the rest so I didn't bother farming them.

                                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                                Confirmation: It drops in Liurna. BUT this is important: Only 1 of the firemonks actually drops it. All others DO not. The one that drops the sorcery also is able to drop the staff. She is standing next to 2 fireslugs. All others in this area DO NOT drop this staff. I've been farming hundreds for hours until I noticed that. Saving you the trouble hopefully. If you want to farm in Liurna, only kill the one next to the slugs.

                                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                                  What is a Red-Robed Cultist? do they mean the FIre Witches? i've been killing everything for 30 minutes around leidd and have not got a single drop

                                                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                                                    Allows any sorcery to scale with faith stat; the issue is the required intelligence to cast most spells not meshing well with this staff.
                                                                                                    Sorceries and Incantations scale with their staff and seals respectively, and simply have stat requirements to be used in the first place. If you ever wanted to be a "Holy Sorcerer" kind of archetype or "Bloodmage" this is the weapon for you.

                                                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                                                      This staff needs to be able to cast sorceries and incantations, or at least make bloodflame spells into sorceries. Idk what the devs were thinking to make 2 blood sorceries and 4 blood incantations. Just makes any type of bloodmage harder to pull off :(

                                                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                                                        This gives Faith builds the option to use Glintstone Pebble with decence effectiveness. Just for that alone it's pretty neat.

                                                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                                                          Can confirm it drops from the fire witch who drops briars of sin in liurnia just between church of vows and artist shack graces. To the left where the fire witch will have 2 fire slugs. But she is the only one I've seen in the zone so far so might take a while to farm as it is most likely a rare drop.

                                                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                                                            For those that don’t fully understand this is for characters that are using incantations and have really high faith but have enough I intelligence to use some basic sorceries, this staff gets S in faith and C in strength so on a paladin build this thing ROCKS for some less intensive sorceries that only require a little sorcery

                                                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                                                              should have been a sacred seal that boosts blood incantations along with the thorn sorceries being blood incantations.

                                                                                                              very strange that something like the cold sorceries have no catalyst but these super niche spells do? very confusing.

                                                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                                                I can't see a good use for this staff. If you level faith enough to use this, incantations seem more worthwhile than two bleed spells that don't scale with arcane.

                                                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                                                  I want this staff for the sole reason that it looks vaguely like it's roasting a marshmallow over a campfire

                                                                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                                                                    I figured out what that blood loss is.

                                                                                                                    It’s the stick.

                                                                                                                    You can cause bleed with the stick. Tested on the commoners north of Church of Elleh. Took about 5 hits to trigger bleed.

                                                                                                                    For funsies, I added the AoW: Spinning Weapon and it allows you to get multiple hits off. However, it seems to do half the amount as it took 10 of the hits (so about 3 uses) to trigger bleed.

                                                                                                                    Glintstone staffs can do jump attacks and the posture damage isn’t bad. So you can mix jump attacks and then either bonk with the stick for bleed or use Spinning Weapon.

                                                                                                                    Can probably save some FP stick bonking. Or you could just…I don’t know, switch to an actual weapon?

                                                                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                                                                      Can also be found off the fire witch that drops the Briars of Sin sorcery.

                                                                                                                      Most folks have farmed it for hours. I guess I got lucky, with 20 ARC, got it after maybe 20-30 tries.

                                                                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                                                                        I want this because I want to use the magma whip candlestick, magma sorceries, and fire incantations. I'm going for a fire sage build. A primal sorcerer who uses faith and some int to cast all manner of fire sorceries and incantations. The branch just gives a more natural feel compared to the more sleek looking staff's. I may use blood spells as well. I'm unsure what my armor or other aspects of my build will be, but this is the concept I want to stick with. :)
                                                                                                                        I originally planned a fire/blood theif, but I already did that in previous souls games, so I'm scrapping it, instead I'll combine that concept with a mage character i also made before, to make a perfect match up. I'm a sucker for unique uncommon builds that nobody does. For example i did and aeromancer build in ds1 and ds2, using white shockwave miracles, and wind based weapons, in ds3 there was 3 weapons. And in ds1 there was the golem axe and the dragon weapons, she wore xanthous set, minus the dumb head wrap, and in ds3 she wore the dragon scale set, again minus the silly white hair piece. I made many other insane builds, like a ghost mage, lightning monk using bonefists in ds2. I'm crazy about this stuff.

                                                                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                                                                          Honestly wish this let you cast incantations too just to really drive home the whole "Occultist Blood and Dragon Magic Man" thing they have going, otherwise, to get the full feel of that you need both a seal AND the staff because the two other blood spells are sadly sorcery not incants :c It doesn't even make much sense because its really only feasible with those two specific spells, any other spell combos involving faith and you might as well use the lava staff it seems.

                                                                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                                                                            Does the blood loss build up apply as additional for those thorn spells, or is it if you bonk with the stick

                                                                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                                                                              Wonder if there'll be an Int-only Sacred Seal to match it. Probably not, given there's no Int-only incantations the way the Briars are Faith-only sorceries.

                                                                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                                                                Thorns Sorceries are Briars of Sin and Briars of Punishment - at least those are found so far. Very little repertoire, but the fact you can cast sorceries that will scale from Faith opens sorceries for Faith casters. Minimal INT requirement to cast chosen sorceries has to be met still.

                                                                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                                                                  No real benefit for a long term staff. You still require the Int stat to use the spells, so you might as well use a int based staff since it probably will scale better. I got mine up to +12 and it was disappointing with the same faith that I had int, plus needing int to even cast them. I'm guessing this only really benefits faith builds with low int.

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