Frenzied Flame Seal

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attack power elden ring wiki guide 18Attack
Phy 25
Mag 0
Fire 0
Ligt 0
Holy 0
Crit 100
Inc ??
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Phy 25
Mag 15
Fire 15
Ligt 15
Holy 15
Boost 15

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Str E
Dex E
Int E
Fai D
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Str -
Dex -
Int -
Fai -
Sacred Seal Strike
No Skill FP -
Wgt. 0

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Frenzied Flame Seal is a Sacred Seal in Elden Ring. The Frenzied Flame Seal scales primarily with Faith and is a good Weapon for Frenzied Flame incantations.

 

Formless sacred seal bestowed by the maiden of the Three Fingers.
Enhances incantations of the frenzied flame.

This seal is the mark of the Lord of Frenzied Flame. Scales incantations using strength, dexterity, intelligence, and faith all together.

 

Where to Find Frenzied Flame Seal in Elden Ring

The Frenzied Flame Seal weapon can be found at the following location:

 

Elden Ring Frenzied Flame Seal Notes & Tips

  • Weapon Skill: No Skill. This armament has no skill. If the armament in the other hand has a skill, that skill will be used instead.
  • This weapon cannot be upgraded with Ashes of War
  • Frenzied Flame Seal can be upgraded by using Somber Smithing Stones
  • Buffs Frenzied Flame Incantations by 20%.
  • This is one of the few magic catalysts that scale with both Intelligence and Faith, making it useful for hybrid spellcaster builds.
  • Frenzied Flame Seal's Incant Scaling scales with Strength, a trait only shared by the Clawmark Seal. This Seal's incant Scaling also scales with Dexterity, a trait unique to this seal.
  • Causes Madness Buildup: madness status effect elden ring wiki guide 100px (55)
    • Only applies to physical attacks made with the seal, as non-Frenzied Flame incantations cast with this seal will not gain Madness buildup on impact.
    • The amount of Madness caused by Frenzied Flame Incantations is not affected by this seal.
  • Frenzied Flame Incantations include Frenzied Burst, Howl of Shabriri, The Flame of Frenzy, and Unendurable Frenzy.
    • Inescapable Frenzy is not currently buffed by this seal due to the spell's unusual damage calculation. See its page for details.
  • Sell Value:  er runes 13 100
  • If you're trying to get this solely to use Flame Cleanse Me, Bestial Vitality, or whatever set buffs you're after for your build, try using the Golden Order Seal or the Erdtree Seal. Still weightless, and you can cast your buffs just fine, even without meeting the requirements.
  • Since the Frenzied Flame Seal has no Faith requirement, a pure Int build with less than 10 Faith can benefit from this seal by being able to use incantations with only Intelligence requirement, such as Law of Causality and Law of Regression.
  • NOTE: As of Patch 1.08 a bug that prevented the follow-up attack from occurring when the Black Sword Incantation was activated with a Sacred Seal in the left hand has been fixed.
  • NOTE: As of Patch 1.09, the scaling values of this weapon were changed. Please refer to the Upgrades Table of this weapon below.
  • Was known as the Spark of Frenzy in version 1.00.

 

Moveset & Videos in Elden Ring for Frenzied Flame Seal

 

 

 

Frenzied Flame Seal Upgrades in Elden Ring

Please see the Upgrades page to understand the weapon bolstering process.

Requires regular reinforcement with Somber Smithing Stones

This upgrade can't be enchanted with Magic or boosted with Consumables. The Incantation Scaling displayed on this table shows Minimum Requirement and Intelligence / Faith 80 as xx-yy.

  Attack Power Stat Scaling Passive Effects Damage Reduction (%)
Frenzied Flame Seal Phy Inc Scaling* Mag Fir Lit Hol Sta Str Dex Int Fai Arc Any Phy Mag Fir Lit Hol Bst Rst
Standard 25 106 - 185 - - - - 20 E E E D -

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25 15 15 15 15 15 10
Standard +1 28 107 - 202 - - - - 22 E E E D -

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25 15 15 15 15 15 10
Standard +2 32 108 - 219 - - - - 24 D D D D -

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25 15 15 15 15 15 10
Standard +3 35 109 - 237 - - - - 26 D D D C -

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25 15 15 15 15 15 10
Standard +4 39 110 - 254 - - - - 28 D D D C -

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25 15 15 15 15 15 10
Standard +5 43 112 - 271 - - - - 30 D D D C -

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25 15 15 15 15 15 10
Standard +6 46 113 - 288 - - - - 32 D D D C -

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25 15 15 15 15 15 10
Standard +7 50 114 - 305 - - - - 34 D D D B -

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25 15 15 15 15 15 10
Standard +8 54 115 - 322 - - - - 36 D D D B -

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25 15 15 15 15 15 10
Standard +9 57 116 - 339 - - - - 38 D D D B -

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25 15 15 15 15 15 10
Standard +10 61 118 - 356 - - - - 40 C C C B -

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    • Anonymous

      Why does this say there is a passive 5 madness build up? I tried to cause that to happen with both Frenzyflame incants and non frenzy incants but nothing happened.

      • Anonymous

        Genuine question: If you managed to max all four stats, how high does this thing's scaling get? I feel like it's probably still not as good as some of the others, but I'm interested.

        • Anonymous

          Pve wise, having 2 of these or having 1 of them as an off hand with a high faith seal is the way to go. A lot of damage stacking and flexibility is a must for PvE as a faith caster. But if you plan to pvp…
          Definitely recommend to off hand this and use the dragon commission seal if you plan to do any kind of PvP. The arcane scaling in the dragon seal improves the chaos status effect noticeably good and it becomes great against other players (especially against high poise builds since most high poise armor lack focus resistance). While you may do less damage, procing madness easier is a must since it it gives you free dmg, stuns and applies pressure to your foe whenever you build up status. You even have access to most weapons with the use of occult infusion. (preferably with a weapon with built in bleed).

          • Anonymous

            Not me accepting the curse of an eldritch outer god that seeks to eternally torment every living being so I can reinvest points from endurance and use some basic utility magic while light rolling

            • Anonymous

              At low levels, using frenzy incants with this seal is so good. Of course, you're not supposed to have this seal (let alone two copies of it, hm...) at the start of the game, but after you beat morgott and mohg, the omen on NG+ at level 18, try powerstancing two +1 frenzy seals, Equip the two fingers heirloom, fire scorpion charm, godfrey icon, and flock's canvas talisman, drink the faith knot and flame-shrouding tears, cast howl of shabriri, and melt it all away in the yellow chaos flame. You've earned it!

              • Anonymous

                Yeah no. Whoever pointed out that you’re better off using the dragon communion seal for frenzy incants didn’t do their homework. At Rl 50 with +4 seals the frenzy talisman still has about 10 more spell buff than the communion seal. Now, that’s not even counting the 20% extra damage you get for using frenzy incants. Plus, you get a whopping 40% extra damage by having two frenzy incants equipped. So if we’re talking about pure frenzy and damage, this seal beats dragon by about 300-500 damage at rl 50, which is huge!
                I don’t know if you want to build up arcane to take advantage of potentially stun locking players into madness, but through a damage perspective the frenzy seal is working as intended .

                Another cool fact is if you dual wield two frenzy flames, there’s a bug where pricing madness on an NPC tarnished instantly kills them as if you proc’d deathblight. No matter how much health they have. This makes the late game NPC invaders a breeze to fight.

                • Anonymous

                  this seal should have the higest potential scaling, as it scales with 4 stats, AND it builds madness on the caster so it have both high stat requirements and a hefty cost to incantations, and yet sadly, it does not outperform dragon communion seal

                  stick in off hand when casting madness spells is the only use for it. hopefully it gets a buff later on

                  • Anonymous

                    I'm trying to make a dex/faith build work (capped at lv 150). The motivation behind it is faster casting speed and the versatility with it, using offensive mid-ranged incants and your usual buffs, while also having a strong melee weapon (using Vyke's War Spear). Only thing is that I don't get how incant scaling with the stats really works.
                    With 55 dex and 40 faith, is this the seal I am looking for?

                    • Anonymous

                      i think people have this seal backwards. its not for a character with 99 in all 4 of the governing stats. i always run a similar biuld in souls like games where i get 15-20 int for all the cool buff spells like starlight, shield buff, unseen form, etc. and then something similar to faith (once i unlock some of the better buffs) and then just go full quality biuld with 60/60 str and dex. its not about stat effeciency, i just like being able to use basically anything in the game. in elden ring this has basically become the”buff biuld” but as a result of this stat spread frenzy ends up being the best with super low “caster stats” and high str and dex if you do want to cast offensive spells. its all about versatility…at least for me

                      • Anonymous

                        Diegetically and mechanically madness build-up should scale with faith. Mechanically because it's lame/bad that the dragon communion seal is better at applying madness than the *madness seal*. Diegetically because the flame of frenzy draws its power from the despair of the inhabitants of the lands between, which is why I think the seal scales with every other stat equally, despair can rise up from anybody and the frenzied flame will accept any suitably powerful tarnished as its host. Faith in the frenzied flame increases the power of your frenzied flame incantations. So why does madness buildup scale with ARC? Why, Fromsoft... Why. You did frostbite correctly so why not madness?

                        • Anonymous

                          it's a shame that incantations don't apply madness when cast with this seal; would've made Elden Stars way more dangerous

                          • Anonymous

                            Does anyone reading or commenting here know if having this seal in my right hand, but then casting a frenzy incantation using a golden order seal in my left will I still get the 20% damage bonus?

                            • Anonymous

                              fun fact scales off dex as well plus 7 with 28 faith 32 dex it has a spell buff of 195 where 40 faith and 13 dex it spell buff is 190 very good seal for faith dex builds

                              • Seems lile there went a lot of madness into the scaling balance... seriously... this thing is kinda trash. No reasonable build ever can invest enough points into 4 stats while still maintaining survivabillity in the pvp meta. Everyone is just better off with using one of the other seals. I know frenzied flame incantations are just meant to annoy and stun people in pvp, not to deal damage with their initial hit. But c'mon bruh.. give us some bang for our bucks.

                                • At 99 all 4 stats it has 400 incant scaling that said does anyone know if this uses the full scaling instead of just faith scaling for weapon buffs and heals? That would make it better than dragon communion seal/Golden order seal (415-418 incant scaling at 99 Faith+Arcane/INT) at extreme levels and niche scenarios.

                                  It is pretty much useless otherwise. Off hand it for mech build I guess.

                                  • Anonymous

                                    Why is this thing not the highest-scaling catalyst in the game? It scales off of 4 separate attributes! Lore-wise: it can only be obtained after coming into direct contact with the emissary of an outer god, which basically turns you into the Lord of Chaos. So why in the name of all that's unholy is this seal so mediocre outside of very specific builds (Dex mains with some Str and enough Fth to meet the incantation requirements)?

                                    • Anonymous

                                      "if you are using it for buffs on a twink build" bro I'm a sorcerer who isn't gonna invest to get 17 faith for golden order just to cast law of regression and bestial vitality. don't call me a twink build.

                                      • Anonymous

                                        Does this still work in NG+ if you use Miquella's needle to remove the three finger's influence? I thought it wouldn't so I didn't waste a somber dragon stone on it. But the wiki NG+ checklist says the mark of frenzied flame will be removed from your character but doesn't mention this seal in either of the lists of what you keep and what you lose.
                                        On one hand it is a story item linked to one of the endings on the other it's something a lot of players will have used runes and somber stones to upgrade it which will be a waste of a limited resource if somber dragon stones are used get +10.

                                        • Anonymous

                                          They either need to change the scaling on madness to faith or they need to add arcane scaling to this seal. As it is you're better off using the Dragon Communion Seal for madness incantations.

                                          • Anonymous

                                            "If you're trying to get this solely to use Flame Cleanse Me, Bestial Vitality, or whatever set buffs you're after on a TWINK build, try using the Golden Order Seal or the Erdtree Seal. Still weightless, and you can cast your buffs just fine, even without meeting the requirements." ERDTREE SEAL HAS 40 FAITH AND GOLDEN ORDER HAS 17 INT&FAI REQUIREMENT

                                            • Anonymous

                                              Is the incant scaling only based on strength? Do dexterity, intelligence, and/or faith also influence the casting scaling? If so, which? Do they all do so?

                                              • Anonymous

                                                pretty decent for pvp madness builds, at 20str, 43dex, 10int and 31fth i get 229 incant scaling. since my stats are relatively spread out i still get some scaling for every point spent, while its also a 0 weight seal so i dont get any extra weight either.

                                                • Anonymous

                                                  Is this a Hybrid seal - only Faith portion works for Heals and Buffs?

                                                  Does it have 1.5x bonus for 2-handing, like Clawmark does?

                                                  • Anonymous

                                                    0 requirement but in the end-game... Who the **** think it's a good idea? A big kiss goodbye to every Incantations in my level 1 run, RIP.

                                                    • Anonymous

                                                      NOTE for those who don't want to change their ending: You can get the Seal AFTER beating the game, but before starting NG+. Make your way to Frenzied Flame Proscription, unlock the site of grace, and then fast travel out of there without opening the door. Afterwards, go ahead and beat the game, decline NG+, then fast travel back, and complete the quest.

                                                      • Anonymous

                                                        Is it worth using over more specialized seals on a Faith/Int build with some STR investment? I mostly use lightning and healing incantations so its either this or gravel seal

                                                        • Anonymous

                                                          I'm using it on my dex-fai build just because i like how it looks. I'm not casting anything that deals damage (like flame, cleanse me, or grant me strenght). I just like how it looks like you have a tinsy-tiny flame of frenzy in your hand. It also goes well with vyke's.

                                                          • Anonymous

                                                            Can someone explain the bit about the madness buildup?

                                                            Causes Madness Buildup:
                                                            Only applies to physical attacks made with the seal, as non-Frenzied Flame incantations cast with this seal will not gain Madness buildup on impact.
                                                            The amount of Madness caused by Frenzied Flame Incantations is not affected by this seal.

                                                            It says both non-Frenzied and frenzied incantations dont get more madness buildup, and that it only applies to physical attacks.
                                                            Physical like, smacking them with the talisman? What specific things does this add madness buildup to?

                                                            • Anonymous

                                                              If you're trying to get this solely to use Flame Cleanse Me, Bestial Vitality, or whatever set buffs you're after on a twink build, try using the Golden Order Seal or the Erdtree seal. Still weightless, and you can cast your buffs just fine, even without meeting the requirements.

                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                The scaling is silly, but this is the only seal in the game with 0 weight and 0 requirements. This makes it great for builds that stop at 12 faith for Bestial Vitality and Flame Cleanse Me, both of which are fantastic utility spells that don't have any scaling component anyway. Honestly just about any build that doesn't focus on incants should consider this.

                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                  I keep this slotted on every single build just to be able to cast Flame Cleanse Me, the best incantation in the game

                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                    It's not among the best seals, but it's really the only option if you want to use incantations and are going to spec primarily into DEX or DEX with some STR (such as with the Bloodhound Fang). Also, Flame of Frenzy and Frenzied Burst, which get an extra 20% buff with this seal, are very solid in PvE, particularly when charged, even if they're probably better known for irritating madness mayhem in PvP. It can be shocking how much damage a charged Flame of Frenzy can do (and I'm talking late game against strong enemies) in addition to frequently staggering for even more damage with a riposte or charged attack opening.

                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                      I love doing the entirety of Hyetta's quest and going all the way down to the Frenzied Flame Proscription to sell this for 100 runes

                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                        kinda sad that with 80 in everything this doesnt even have the best incant scaling. would be nice if it had better stats so that dex/faith builds have a decent seal like str/faith builds do

                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                          Much like Arcane for the Dragon Seal, it appears the Str/Dex/Int Incant Scaling softcaps for this are 45.


                                                                          It also seems there is a very narrow window that makes this a viable seal for a Dex/Fai build, with 45 Dex/45 Fai giving 242 Incant Scaling. Any more Faith, and other seals are more practical; any more or less Dex, and the Incant Scaling suffers.

                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                            No Fth requirement, hands down the best seal to cast Law Of Regression. Kinda funny to see an invader losing stacks of buffs and start running to rebuff like an idiot.

                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                              and little fun bonus - if you're a pure sorcerer struggling against magic fortification or barrier of gold, this has 0 faith requirement making it optimal for being able to cast law of regression without any stat investment

                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                Best seal for a build that just wants to run the non-scaling support stuff like "flame, grant me strength", however dragon seal is far easier to get and 10 arcane is already met on many classes.

                                                                                I'm only counting zero weight seals btw.

                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                  I've got a character I'm running relatively low level for a first clear. 25 fth for buffs and utility spells, 35 Dex. Picking this up basically skyrocketed my scaling.

                                                                                  Getting this thing took 1.5 weight off my build which is a huge deal for fast rolling. I think I went from 155~ spell buff to 195~. On top of it all it upgrades with somber stones instead of smithing which makes life a lot easier.

                                                                                  If you're running a build like mine this thing is an outrageous character buff.

                                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                                    Yall if you want to test stats dont waste Larvar tears; use this link instead!:
                                                                                    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EvWcQFlu9C9_VwHXQKEJGR5x0UMcHoUauVeTEuYtXJc/copy

                                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                                      50/50/50/50 scaling is 334. i wish this seal had onle dex/str/faith scaling without Int. It would be easier, also Golden Order seal already has Int scale.

                                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                                        Maybe this would be good for a quality build with a minimal faith investment? Like, super high STR and DEX but only 15 FTH so you can cast flame grant me strength, or some other low-investment incantations

                                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                                          Did some tests on a low level character with a Frenzied Flame Seal +3. I didn't have a lot of Larval Tears, and only being level 50, I wasn't able to test with a high investment into any stats. My tests weren't precise, just repeccing and seeing how equipping different stat-increasing armor and talismans affected incant scaling. ~~Also since my seal was upgraded to +3, these results are only useful for a general comparison of the scaling between stats. A fully upgraded or unupgraded seal might have different relative scaling.~~

                                                                                          Strength/Dexterity/Intelligence under 15 had negligible scaling, increasing incant scaling by around .25 per stat point
                                                                                          Strength/Dexterity/Intelligence 15-30 increased incant scaling about 1 per stat point
                                                                                          Strength/Dexterity/Intelligence 30-40 increased incant scaling about .4 per stat point (didn't record most of my testing before running out of Larval Tears, might be inaccurate)
                                                                                          Strength/Dexterity/Intelligence 40+ didn't test

                                                                                          Faith under 16 unable to test
                                                                                          Faith 16-30 increased the incant scaling by about 2 per stat point
                                                                                          Faith 30-45 increased incant scaling by about .8 per stat point
                                                                                          Faith 45+ increased incant scaling about .4 per stat point

                                                                                          So there seems to be a 'reverse softcap' for stats below 15, but I couldn't test faith in that range because I started as a Prophet with 16 faith. The best scaling for any individual stat was between 15 and 30 before hitting a softcap, with another softcap at 45 for faith. I would assume there's also a softcap for strength, dexterity, and intelligence at 45 but I wasn't being efficient with my testing early on and ran low on Larval Tears. What I found interesting was that the scaling for faith after 30 was just a little bit worse than the scaling for the other stats between 15 and 30. So prioritize 30 faith first, then go for 30/30/30/30, then 30/30/30/45, then it doesn't matter based on my testing unless there are other softcaps I was unable to reach. The exception to this is if str/dex/int is lower than 11. In that case increasing faith to 45 returns more for the investment rather than trying to overcome the 'reverse softcap' on those stats. But again, my testing was far from thorough and might be inaccurate outside of the exact situation I was in.

                                                                                          TL;DR if using the Frenzied Flame Seal (based on limited testing): Ignore dump stats under 11 > Get faith to 30 > 30/30/30/30 (except dump stats) > 30/30/30/45 (except dump stats) > 30/30/30/45

                                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                                            Probably the biggest issue is that due to not having arcane scaling, it doesn't improve the madness buildup which gives it it's niche, making the dragon seal ironically better for those spells in pvp.

                                                                                            • This really should have way higher scaling when you have 99 in all 4 stats but somehow is considerably worse than dragon communion with 99 on 2 stats. Sad times for PvE players.

                                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                                Strange, I got the item after completing the game, but I used the needle to remove the frenzy. I talked to her under Lyndell, and she would just say the same thing over and over to touch her. I went into the empty fingers room and got summoned as a Hunter, then tried to blast her with the jar cannon from the room since you can attack in there, went back to her and got seal as if I were frenzied like before. I don't know what could have triggered it, maybe just entering the room again and back works, but again, I'm not frenzied anymore.

                                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                                  If you're using frenzied flame incantations you can keep this in your offhand and cast with a different seal that doesn't require four different stats to use effectively.

                                                                                                  Alternatively, if you want a seal that is weightless and has low/no stat requirements this is an option, though it is a very niche need to have

                                                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                                                    If you want to do a lvl 40, weapon level 3 (lvl1 somber) madness character to invade or coop in limgrave/morte this is the only item you can’t get cause they decided Edgar has to drop a freaking +7 weapon with his Grape… Managed to get everything, including Marica’s Soreseal but this is basically locked… what a ridiculous decision by from.

                                                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                                                      Certainly do not use it in a int/faith build if you have an inkling it would be good and allow you to splash some fun spells while progressing. 40/55 int and faith with fire boost in physick, frenzy seal +9 (255 scaling) and at the same time i put golden order to +8 (303 scaling, physick for both ofc). Frenzied burst damage is (frenzy seal+9) 475 and (golden order+8) 485 uncharged, non surprised attack against the stationary gargoyles in deeproot depths (which have no wiki mention???). I should have checked scaling/damage with my faith build equivalent first!

                                                                                                      Makes me wonder why this even gets all those low to mid grade scaling. Flexibility? But then i just found it falls flat in hybrid. No one will have 70-99 in all the scaling stats after reading below lol. I wanna know if lvl 130 hybrid or lvl 130 faith based is better (keeping all other attributes the same)

                                                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                                                        So I've not noticed anyone else mention this but you can actually get this seal after already taking a different ending if you want it and you're ok getting it post game.

                                                                                                        • Probably best sacred seal, not only buffs frenzied flame incantations that are meta on PvP but it's also good on PvE (I recommend Dragon incantations for PvE tho). Versatile as your can use all type of spells while having a scaling not too far from other sacred seals like the golden order seal.

                                                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                                                            Why is no one gonna mention that this is (as far as i know) the ONLY item that can cast both sorceries and incantations?!?!?! Like seriously tf

                                                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                                                              Haven’t seen info on this anywhere online. In older titles upgrading something that had a specific type of damage boost applied innately on it would increase that damage boost with each respective level. Does anybody know if upgrading this increase the amount it boosts frenzied flame spells by?

                                                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                                                For those saying Frenized spells are useless in PvE, you haven’t seen the range of burst. Sorcery has great bow to snipe targets from a far while no incantations can match that distance except burst. As long as you can lock on to them, you hit them. If you can eyeball it, you can hit a non locked on target by a little more. So if you want to pull one mob in the distance and not get the ones before them, this is huge to avoid getting 5+ mobs all at once.

                                                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                                                  This seal is perfect for any mage/int builds who have been struggled with the Barrier of Gold incantation in pvp. It requires no faith investment for you to cast the Law of Regression.

                                                                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                                                                    The commenters below, when evaluating the usefulness of this seal, only talk about its incantation scaling and about how poor it is - and they're right, but it doesn't tell me the damage of frenzy incantations after this seal's buff. So does anyone know if this seal actually beats something like the Erdtree seal - which I understand to be the number one general-purpose seal - for frenzy incantations at any point, and if so, what stat allocation is necessary?

                                                                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                                                                      probably needs buffed, you can cast frenzy incantation with another seal and still get this one's 20% buff if you hold it in your other hand. The scaling is quite low due to it scales with 4 attributes(but even with 4 scaling, dragon communion and golden order are better than this when you reach 99 for each attributes, not to mention a high arc dragon communion can causing madness with a single FB, unless they fix it)

                                                                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                                                                        Frenzy stuff seems to be useless in PvE, sadly. I dont like the pvp because of mages and moonveil, since my IRL rng is suuuper bad, so i tried the frenzy stuff and oh boy does it do nothing against anything

                                                                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                                                                          Does the madness buildup from the melee attack scale with arcane? Just curious if an arcane build could pull this out randomly and slap the sanity out of you xD

                                                                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                                                                            Does it stack buffs if you hold two of them (one in each hand) like the other seals do? Although it's a major investment to make it as strong as the other seals, imagine the boosts to madness spells with two of them...

                                                                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                                                                              While most comments are quite negative about this seal I quite like it. I’ve stopped levelling at 150 for the foreseeable future and from my stats it scales near most other seals I’ve got so I think it is pretty good

                                                                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                                                                For anyone such as myself that cant be bothered to do the research, acquiring this seal will lock you into the frenzied flame ending. There is only 1 way to reverse this after its happened and its pretty extensive. Do your research on the endings if you're looking to get a specific ending and also trying to get ahold of this seal.

                                                                                                                                • I tested this seal's values at +10 upgrading having 80 fai, 80 int, 80 dex, and 45 str; at said values, this seal lands at 363 inc scaling, outperforming the Erdtree Seal (353 inc scaling at +10 upgrading), but still not outperforming the Golden Order Seal, which with the same stat values lands at 390 inc scaling. At these same values, however, when it comes to Frenzied Flame incantations, this seal does marginally outperform the Golden Order Seal. I used the incantation "The Flame of Frenzy," which is high damage (in NG+, 3k+ damage on large hitboxes with the aforementioned values) as benchmark. I hypothesize that at level cap this seal will be the strongest one in the game, but only marginally compared to the Golden Order Seal other than for Frenzied Flame incantations. Obviously, this seal is only beneficial for non-faith-oriented builds that need to use incantations or very high-level builds that inevitably raised all the scaling stats, as int-fai builds will benefit much more from the Golden Order Seal, and faith-oriented builds will benefit much more from the Erdtree Seal.

                                                                                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                                                                                    If madness scales with arcane, why is arcane the one stat missing from the frenzied flame seal? The dragon communion seal consequently builds madness faster than the frenzied flame seal, as the dragon communion seal scales with arcane.

                                                                                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                                                                                      It's really a shame that this seal, the Frenzied Flame Seal, is not the best seal for utilizing Frenzied Flame incantations. I've tried many different madness builds trying to find what works, and what I've found is that the Dragon Communion Seal is actually the best for Frenzied Flame incantations. This is because the Dragon Communion Seal has arcane scaling which enables your arcane stat to boost your madness buildup on others. This seal lacks such scaling, and as such your madness buildup is much lower, not to mention that the Dragon Communion Seal has an S scaling with arcane, whereas this seal only gets up to B at the best very.

                                                                                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                                                                                        1. use dragon seal
                                                                                                                                        2. have this on other hand
                                                                                                                                        3. do more madness buildup from dragon seals arc scaling, and have free frenzy spell buffs. this works on any two seals, but due to the interaction of these i'd say this is the most interesting combo

                                                                                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                                                                                          What isnt brought up about this seal, which gives it a significant advantage over other seals, is that it has no stat requirements and scales with every damage stat other than Arcane. Every other seal requires 10 FTH and only scales with a single other damage stat (ARC, INT or STR), this means a Vagabond can utilize Beast Claw and Catch Flame as a quality/STR or DEX build with some, ok damage output (dont be expecting caster numbers but for the mixup/finisher potential is real). This is also the only seal a pure INT build can use to cast Law of Casuality and Law of Regression without a talisman/FTH boosting gear or leveling FTH, which is important if making an optimized build. This is also the only talisman a DEX/FTH build can use to get benefit from heavy DEX investment (though weapon buffs only apply the FTH scaling part of the Incant). I'm not saying this is the best seal in the game, even at 99STR/99DEX/99INT/99FTH I think it will get outscaled by Golden Order or Dragon Communion Seals, I also think if you are a specific hybrid build, those seals will always be better, but this seal is the most flexible seal in the game and allows for basically any build type to get some use out of it if another seal simply will not work (like wanting an INT scaling seal because you like magma spells but dont have the 17 FTH req for the golden order seal).

                                                                                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                                                                                            I’m assuming that if your crazy and get every stat to 99 this will have the best damage but that’s gonna take awhile

                                                                                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                                                                                              So I've done my testing with this seal.

                                                                                                                                              Originally I tried it on my 60/60 Dex/faith build because of the Dex scaling and I only got about 298 inc scaling. Godslayer seal was much more beneficial for me.

                                                                                                                                              Yesterday I built a 35/35/45/60 Str/Dex/INT/Fth
                                                                                                                                              Build and get 317 Inc scaling. It seems to be worthwhile if you literally focus your stats to split like the scaling on this but otherwise consider useing one of the other seals.

                                                                                                                                              but than again I havnt tested the other seals. I'll update more if I ever do.

                                                                                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                                                                                I’m assuming that if your crazy and get every stat to 99 this will have the best damage but that’s gonna take awhile

                                                                                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                                                                                  So I've done my testing with this seal.

                                                                                                                                                  Originally I tried it on my 60/60 Dex/faith build because of the Dex scaling and I only got about 298 inc scaling. Godslayer seal was much more beneficial for me.

                                                                                                                                                  Yesterday I built a 35/35/45/60 Str/Dex/INT/Fth
                                                                                                                                                  Build and get 317 Inc scaling. It seems to be worthwhile if you literally focus your stats to split like the scaling on this but otherwise consider useing one of the other seals.

                                                                                                                                                  but than again I havnt tested the other seals. I'll update more if I ever do.

                                                                                                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                                                                                                    Weapon overview page for Seals: "Casting scales with Strength".
                                                                                                                                                    Item description: "Scales incantations using strength, dexterity, intelligence, and faith all together."
                                                                                                                                                    Notes and Tips section: "This is one of the few magic catalysts that scale with both Intelligence and Faith"

                                                                                                                                                    Can somebody who actually tested what it scales with clean up that mess of misinformation ? Appreciated !

                                                                                                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                                                                                                      ya'll i'm looking to make a dex/faith frenzy build, so think like 40/40, would this be a good seal for it or should i just use one of the other ones since they reach S faith scaling ?

                                                                                                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                                                                                                        Say I want to focus on frenzy spells, is this worth taking to 80 faith? Or is there a point where dex/str/int out scales it?

                                                                                                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                                                                                                          Say I want to focus on frenzy spells, is this worth taking to 80 faith? Or is there a point where dex/str/int out scales it?

                                                                                                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                                                                                                            This seal is so strange with it's scaling, at +9 50dex 33faith I get 220. But when I swap over to 21 dex 60 faith I get 218. Isn't it suppose to scale with faith more than the other stats

                                                                                                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                                                                                                              I liked this seal. I have 25 faith, 50 strength and 50 dexterity, 15 intelligence. This Sacred Steel with the biggest scaling for me (246). Especially since I use Frenzied Flame spells. There was a little less on the Clawmark Seal.

                                                                                                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                                                                                                What is the point of having a status build-up on a caster weapon that only works if you decide to smack something in the face with it?

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