Frenzied Flame Seal

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attack power elden ring wiki guide 18Attack
Phy 25
Mag 0
Fire 0
Ligt 0
Holy 0
Crit 100
Inc ??
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Phy 25
Mag 15
Fire 15
Ligt 15
Holy 15
Boost 15

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Str E
Dex E
Int E
Fai D
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Str -
Dex -
Int -
Fai -
Sacred Seal Strike
No Skill FP -
Wgt. 0

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Frenzied Flame Seal is a Sacred Seal in Elden Ring. The Frenzied Flame Seal scales primarily with Faith and is a good Weapon for Frenzied Flame incantations.

 

Formless sacred seal bestowed by the maiden of the Three Fingers.
Enhances incantations of the frenzied flame.

This seal is the mark of the Lord of Frenzied Flame. Scales incantations using strength, dexterity, intelligence, and faith all together.

 

Where to Find Frenzied Flame Seal in Elden Ring

The Frenzied Flame Seal weapon can be found at the following location:

 

Elden Ring Frenzied Flame Seal Notes & Tips

 

Moveset & Videos in Elden Ring for Frenzied Flame Seal

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 Frenzied Acolyte Written Guide

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Death Knight Written Guide

 

 

Frenzied Flame Seal Upgrades in Elden Ring

Please see the Upgrades page to understand the weapon bolstering process.

Requires regular reinforcement with Somber Smithing Stones

This upgrade can't be enchanted with Magic or boosted with Consumables. The Incantation Scaling displayed on this table shows Minimum Requirement and Intelligence / Faith 80 as xx-yy.

  Attack Power Stat Scaling Passive Effects Damage Reduction (%)
Frenzied Flame Seal Phy Inc Scaling* Mag Fir Lit Hol Sta Str Dex Int Fai Arc Any Phy Mag Fir Lit Hol Bst Rst
Standard 25 106 - 185 - - - - 20 E E E D -

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25 15 15 15 15 15 10
Standard +1 28 107 - 202 - - - - 22 E E E D -

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25 15 15 15 15 15 10
Standard +2 32 108 - 219 - - - - 24 D D D D -

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25 15 15 15 15 15 10
Standard +3 35 109 - 237 - - - - 26 D D D C -

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25 15 15 15 15 15 10
Standard +4 39 110 - 254 - - - - 28 D D D C -

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25 15 15 15 15 15 10
Standard +5 43 112 - 271 - - - - 30 D D D C -

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25 15 15 15 15 15 10
Standard +6 46 113 - 288 - - - - 32 D D D C -

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25 15 15 15 15 15 10
Standard +7 50 114 - 305 - - - - 34 D D D B -

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25 15 15 15 15 15 10
Standard +8 54 115 - 322 - - - - 36 D D D B -

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25 15 15 15 15 15 10
Standard +9 57 116 - 339 - - - - 38 D D D B -

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25 15 15 15 15 15 10
Standard +10 61 118 - 356 - - - - 40 C C C B -

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    • Anonymous

      I'm using it on my dex-fai build just because i like how it looks. I'm not casting anything that deals damage (like flame, cleanse me, or grant me strenght). I just like how it looks like you have a tinsy-tiny flame of frenzy in your hand. It also goes well with vyke's.

      • Anonymous

        Can someone explain the bit about the madness buildup?

        Causes Madness Buildup:
        Only applies to physical attacks made with the seal, as non-Frenzied Flame incantations cast with this seal will not gain Madness buildup on impact.
        The amount of Madness caused by Frenzied Flame Incantations is not affected by this seal.

        It says both non-Frenzied and frenzied incantations dont get more madness buildup, and that it only applies to physical attacks.
        Physical like, smacking them with the talisman? What specific things does this add madness buildup to?

        • Anonymous

          If you're trying to get this solely to use Flame Cleanse Me, Bestial Vitality, or whatever set buffs you're after on a twink build, try using the Golden Order Seal or the Erdtree seal. Still weightless, and you can cast your buffs just fine, even without meeting the requirements.

          • Anonymous

            The scaling is silly, but this is the only seal in the game with 0 weight and 0 requirements. This makes it great for builds that stop at 12 faith for Bestial Vitality and Flame Cleanse Me, both of which are fantastic utility spells that don't have any scaling component anyway. Honestly just about any build that doesn't focus on incants should consider this.

            • Anonymous

              I keep this slotted on every single build just to be able to cast Flame Cleanse Me, the best incantation in the game

              • Anonymous

                It's not among the best seals, but it's really the only option if you want to use incantations and are going to spec primarily into DEX or DEX with some STR (such as with the Bloodhound Fang). Also, Flame of Frenzy and Frenzied Burst, which get an extra 20% buff with this seal, are very solid in PvE, particularly when charged, even if they're probably better known for irritating madness mayhem in PvP. It can be shocking how much damage a charged Flame of Frenzy can do (and I'm talking late game against strong enemies) in addition to frequently staggering for even more damage with a riposte or charged attack opening.

                • Anonymous

                  I love doing the entirety of Hyetta's quest and going all the way down to the Frenzied Flame Proscription to sell this for 100 runes

                  • Anonymous

                    kinda sad that with 80 in everything this doesnt even have the best incant scaling. would be nice if it had better stats so that dex/faith builds have a decent seal like str/faith builds do

                    • Anonymous

                      Much like Arcane for the Dragon Seal, it appears the Str/Dex/Int Incant Scaling softcaps for this are 45.


                      It also seems there is a very narrow window that makes this a viable seal for a Dex/Fai build, with 45 Dex/45 Fai giving 242 Incant Scaling. Any more Faith, and other seals are more practical; any more or less Dex, and the Incant Scaling suffers.

                      • Anonymous

                        No Fth requirement, hands down the best seal to cast Law Of Regression. Kinda funny to see an invader losing stacks of buffs and start running to rebuff like an idiot.

                        • Anonymous

                          and little fun bonus - if you're a pure sorcerer struggling against magic fortification or barrier of gold, this has 0 faith requirement making it optimal for being able to cast law of regression without any stat investment

                          • Anonymous

                            Best seal for a build that just wants to run the non-scaling support stuff like "flame, grant me strength", however dragon seal is far easier to get and 10 arcane is already met on many classes.

                            I'm only counting zero weight seals btw.

                            • Anonymous

                              I've got a character I'm running relatively low level for a first clear. 25 fth for buffs and utility spells, 35 Dex. Picking this up basically skyrocketed my scaling.

                              Getting this thing took 1.5 weight off my build which is a huge deal for fast rolling. I think I went from 155~ spell buff to 195~. On top of it all it upgrades with somber stones instead of smithing which makes life a lot easier.

                              If you're running a build like mine this thing is an outrageous character buff.

                              • Anonymous

                                Yall if you want to test stats dont waste Larvar tears; use this link instead!:
                                https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EvWcQFlu9C9_VwHXQKEJGR5x0UMcHoUauVeTEuYtXJc/copy

                                • Anonymous

                                  50/50/50/50 scaling is 334. i wish this seal had onle dex/str/faith scaling without Int. It would be easier, also Golden Order seal already has Int scale.

                                  • Anonymous

                                    Maybe this would be good for a quality build with a minimal faith investment? Like, super high STR and DEX but only 15 FTH so you can cast flame grant me strength, or some other low-investment incantations

                                    • Anonymous

                                      Did some tests on a low level character with a Frenzied Flame Seal +3. I didn't have a lot of Larval Tears, and only being level 50, I wasn't able to test with a high investment into any stats. My tests weren't precise, just repeccing and seeing how equipping different stat-increasing armor and talismans affected incant scaling. ~~Also since my seal was upgraded to +3, these results are only useful for a general comparison of the scaling between stats. A fully upgraded or unupgraded seal might have different relative scaling.~~

                                      Strength/Dexterity/Intelligence under 15 had negligible scaling, increasing incant scaling by around .25 per stat point
                                      Strength/Dexterity/Intelligence 15-30 increased incant scaling about 1 per stat point
                                      Strength/Dexterity/Intelligence 30-40 increased incant scaling about .4 per stat point (didn't record most of my testing before running out of Larval Tears, might be inaccurate)
                                      Strength/Dexterity/Intelligence 40+ didn't test

                                      Faith under 16 unable to test
                                      Faith 16-30 increased the incant scaling by about 2 per stat point
                                      Faith 30-45 increased incant scaling by about .8 per stat point
                                      Faith 45+ increased incant scaling about .4 per stat point

                                      So there seems to be a 'reverse softcap' for stats below 15, but I couldn't test faith in that range because I started as a Prophet with 16 faith. The best scaling for any individual stat was between 15 and 30 before hitting a softcap, with another softcap at 45 for faith. I would assume there's also a softcap for strength, dexterity, and intelligence at 45 but I wasn't being efficient with my testing early on and ran low on Larval Tears. What I found interesting was that the scaling for faith after 30 was just a little bit worse than the scaling for the other stats between 15 and 30. So prioritize 30 faith first, then go for 30/30/30/30, then 30/30/30/45, then it doesn't matter based on my testing unless there are other softcaps I was unable to reach. The exception to this is if str/dex/int is lower than 11. In that case increasing faith to 45 returns more for the investment rather than trying to overcome the 'reverse softcap' on those stats. But again, my testing was far from thorough and might be inaccurate outside of the exact situation I was in.

                                      TL;DR if using the Frenzied Flame Seal (based on limited testing): Ignore dump stats under 11 > Get faith to 30 > 30/30/30/30 (except dump stats) > 30/30/30/45 (except dump stats) > 30/30/30/45

                                      • Anonymous

                                        Probably the biggest issue is that due to not having arcane scaling, it doesn't improve the madness buildup which gives it it's niche, making the dragon seal ironically better for those spells in pvp.

                                        • This really should have way higher scaling when you have 99 in all 4 stats but somehow is considerably worse than dragon communion with 99 on 2 stats. Sad times for PvE players.

                                          • Anonymous

                                            Strange, I got the item after completing the game, but I used the needle to remove the frenzy. I talked to her under Lyndell, and she would just say the same thing over and over to touch her. I went into the empty fingers room and got summoned as a Hunter, then tried to blast her with the jar cannon from the room since you can attack in there, went back to her and got seal as if I were frenzied like before. I don't know what could have triggered it, maybe just entering the room again and back works, but again, I'm not frenzied anymore.

                                            • Anonymous

                                              If you're using frenzied flame incantations you can keep this in your offhand and cast with a different seal that doesn't require four different stats to use effectively.

                                              Alternatively, if you want a seal that is weightless and has low/no stat requirements this is an option, though it is a very niche need to have

                                              • Anonymous

                                                If you want to do a lvl 40, weapon level 3 (lvl1 somber) madness character to invade or coop in limgrave/morte this is the only item you can’t get cause they decided Edgar has to drop a freaking +7 weapon with his Grape… Managed to get everything, including Marica’s Soreseal but this is basically locked… what a ridiculous decision by from.

                                                • Anonymous

                                                  Certainly do not use it in a int/faith build if you have an inkling it would be good and allow you to splash some fun spells while progressing. 40/55 int and faith with fire boost in physick, frenzy seal +9 (255 scaling) and at the same time i put golden order to +8 (303 scaling, physick for both ofc). Frenzied burst damage is (frenzy seal+9) 475 and (golden order+8) 485 uncharged, non surprised attack against the stationary gargoyles in deeproot depths (which have no wiki mention???). I should have checked scaling/damage with my faith build equivalent first!

                                                  Makes me wonder why this even gets all those low to mid grade scaling. Flexibility? But then i just found it falls flat in hybrid. No one will have 70-99 in all the scaling stats after reading below lol. I wanna know if lvl 130 hybrid or lvl 130 faith based is better (keeping all other attributes the same)

                                                  • Anonymous

                                                    So I've not noticed anyone else mention this but you can actually get this seal after already taking a different ending if you want it and you're ok getting it post game.

                                                    • Probably best sacred seal, not only buffs frenzied flame incantations that are meta on PvP but it's also good on PvE (I recommend Dragon incantations for PvE tho). Versatile as your can use all type of spells while having a scaling not too far from other sacred seals like the golden order seal.

                                                      • Anonymous

                                                        Why is no one gonna mention that this is (as far as i know) the ONLY item that can cast both sorceries and incantations?!?!?! Like seriously tf

                                                        • Anonymous

                                                          Haven’t seen info on this anywhere online. In older titles upgrading something that had a specific type of damage boost applied innately on it would increase that damage boost with each respective level. Does anybody know if upgrading this increase the amount it boosts frenzied flame spells by?

                                                          • Anonymous

                                                            For those saying Frenized spells are useless in PvE, you haven’t seen the range of burst. Sorcery has great bow to snipe targets from a far while no incantations can match that distance except burst. As long as you can lock on to them, you hit them. If you can eyeball it, you can hit a non locked on target by a little more. So if you want to pull one mob in the distance and not get the ones before them, this is huge to avoid getting 5+ mobs all at once.

                                                            • Anonymous

                                                              This seal is perfect for any mage/int builds who have been struggled with the Barrier of Gold incantation in pvp. It requires no faith investment for you to cast the Law of Regression.

                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                The commenters below, when evaluating the usefulness of this seal, only talk about its incantation scaling and about how poor it is - and they're right, but it doesn't tell me the damage of frenzy incantations after this seal's buff. So does anyone know if this seal actually beats something like the Erdtree seal - which I understand to be the number one general-purpose seal - for frenzy incantations at any point, and if so, what stat allocation is necessary?

                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                  probably needs buffed, you can cast frenzy incantation with another seal and still get this one's 20% buff if you hold it in your other hand. The scaling is quite low due to it scales with 4 attributes(but even with 4 scaling, dragon communion and golden order are better than this when you reach 99 for each attributes, not to mention a high arc dragon communion can causing madness with a single FB, unless they fix it)

                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                    Frenzy stuff seems to be useless in PvE, sadly. I dont like the pvp because of mages and moonveil, since my IRL rng is suuuper bad, so i tried the frenzy stuff and oh boy does it do nothing against anything

                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                      Does the madness buildup from the melee attack scale with arcane? Just curious if an arcane build could pull this out randomly and slap the sanity out of you xD

                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                        Does it stack buffs if you hold two of them (one in each hand) like the other seals do? Although it's a major investment to make it as strong as the other seals, imagine the boosts to madness spells with two of them...

                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                          While most comments are quite negative about this seal I quite like it. I’ve stopped levelling at 150 for the foreseeable future and from my stats it scales near most other seals I’ve got so I think it is pretty good

                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                            For anyone such as myself that cant be bothered to do the research, acquiring this seal will lock you into the frenzied flame ending. There is only 1 way to reverse this after its happened and its pretty extensive. Do your research on the endings if you're looking to get a specific ending and also trying to get ahold of this seal.

                                                                            • I tested this seal's values at +10 upgrading having 80 fai, 80 int, 80 dex, and 45 str; at said values, this seal lands at 363 inc scaling, outperforming the Erdtree Seal (353 inc scaling at +10 upgrading), but still not outperforming the Golden Order Seal, which with the same stat values lands at 390 inc scaling. At these same values, however, when it comes to Frenzied Flame incantations, this seal does marginally outperform the Golden Order Seal. I used the incantation "The Flame of Frenzy," which is high damage (in NG+, 3k+ damage on large hitboxes with the aforementioned values) as benchmark. I hypothesize that at level cap this seal will be the strongest one in the game, but only marginally compared to the Golden Order Seal other than for Frenzied Flame incantations. Obviously, this seal is only beneficial for non-faith-oriented builds that need to use incantations or very high-level builds that inevitably raised all the scaling stats, as int-fai builds will benefit much more from the Golden Order Seal, and faith-oriented builds will benefit much more from the Erdtree Seal.

                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                If madness scales with arcane, why is arcane the one stat missing from the frenzied flame seal? The dragon communion seal consequently builds madness faster than the frenzied flame seal, as the dragon communion seal scales with arcane.

                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                  It's really a shame that this seal, the Frenzied Flame Seal, is not the best seal for utilizing Frenzied Flame incantations. I've tried many different madness builds trying to find what works, and what I've found is that the Dragon Communion Seal is actually the best for Frenzied Flame incantations. This is because the Dragon Communion Seal has arcane scaling which enables your arcane stat to boost your madness buildup on others. This seal lacks such scaling, and as such your madness buildup is much lower, not to mention that the Dragon Communion Seal has an S scaling with arcane, whereas this seal only gets up to B at the best very.

                                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                                    1. use dragon seal
                                                                                    2. have this on other hand
                                                                                    3. do more madness buildup from dragon seals arc scaling, and have free frenzy spell buffs. this works on any two seals, but due to the interaction of these i'd say this is the most interesting combo

                                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                                      What isnt brought up about this seal, which gives it a significant advantage over other seals, is that it has no stat requirements and scales with every damage stat other than Arcane. Every other seal requires 10 FTH and only scales with a single other damage stat (ARC, INT or STR), this means a Vagabond can utilize Beast Claw and Catch Flame as a quality/STR or DEX build with some, ok damage output (dont be expecting caster numbers but for the mixup/finisher potential is real). This is also the only seal a pure INT build can use to cast Law of Casuality and Law of Regression without a talisman/FTH boosting gear or leveling FTH, which is important if making an optimized build. This is also the only talisman a DEX/FTH build can use to get benefit from heavy DEX investment (though weapon buffs only apply the FTH scaling part of the Incant). I'm not saying this is the best seal in the game, even at 99STR/99DEX/99INT/99FTH I think it will get outscaled by Golden Order or Dragon Communion Seals, I also think if you are a specific hybrid build, those seals will always be better, but this seal is the most flexible seal in the game and allows for basically any build type to get some use out of it if another seal simply will not work (like wanting an INT scaling seal because you like magma spells but dont have the 17 FTH req for the golden order seal).

                                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                                        I’m assuming that if your crazy and get every stat to 99 this will have the best damage but that’s gonna take awhile

                                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                                          So I've done my testing with this seal.

                                                                                          Originally I tried it on my 60/60 Dex/faith build because of the Dex scaling and I only got about 298 inc scaling. Godslayer seal was much more beneficial for me.

                                                                                          Yesterday I built a 35/35/45/60 Str/Dex/INT/Fth
                                                                                          Build and get 317 Inc scaling. It seems to be worthwhile if you literally focus your stats to split like the scaling on this but otherwise consider useing one of the other seals.

                                                                                          but than again I havnt tested the other seals. I'll update more if I ever do.

                                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                                            I’m assuming that if your crazy and get every stat to 99 this will have the best damage but that’s gonna take awhile

                                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                                              So I've done my testing with this seal.

                                                                                              Originally I tried it on my 60/60 Dex/faith build because of the Dex scaling and I only got about 298 inc scaling. Godslayer seal was much more beneficial for me.

                                                                                              Yesterday I built a 35/35/45/60 Str/Dex/INT/Fth
                                                                                              Build and get 317 Inc scaling. It seems to be worthwhile if you literally focus your stats to split like the scaling on this but otherwise consider useing one of the other seals.

                                                                                              but than again I havnt tested the other seals. I'll update more if I ever do.

                                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                                Weapon overview page for Seals: "Casting scales with Strength".
                                                                                                Item description: "Scales incantations using strength, dexterity, intelligence, and faith all together."
                                                                                                Notes and Tips section: "This is one of the few magic catalysts that scale with both Intelligence and Faith"

                                                                                                Can somebody who actually tested what it scales with clean up that mess of misinformation ? Appreciated !

                                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                                  ya'll i'm looking to make a dex/faith frenzy build, so think like 40/40, would this be a good seal for it or should i just use one of the other ones since they reach S faith scaling ?

                                                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                                                    Say I want to focus on frenzy spells, is this worth taking to 80 faith? Or is there a point where dex/str/int out scales it?

                                                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                                                      Say I want to focus on frenzy spells, is this worth taking to 80 faith? Or is there a point where dex/str/int out scales it?

                                                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                                                        This seal is so strange with it's scaling, at +9 50dex 33faith I get 220. But when I swap over to 21 dex 60 faith I get 218. Isn't it suppose to scale with faith more than the other stats

                                                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                                                          I liked this seal. I have 25 faith, 50 strength and 50 dexterity, 15 intelligence. This Sacred Steel with the biggest scaling for me (246). Especially since I use Frenzied Flame spells. There was a little less on the Clawmark Seal.

                                                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                                                            What is the point of having a status build-up on a caster weapon that only works if you decide to smack something in the face with it?

                                                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                                                              Just tested this thing out, the str and dex scaling does effect the magic damage of incantations. You can easily test this yourself with radagon's soreseal. So for people wanting make a frenzy only build you can. BTW my stats were str 48, dex 40, and fth at 33 to get a scaling of 272. Not good but usable.

                                                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                                                Note that this can be acquired after finishing the game within the same playthrough. Tested by going to Three fingers after finishing the game, then completing Hyetta's quest.

                                                                                                                This is fantastic for pure sorcerers who want cast Law of Regression and Law of Causality Intcantations without expending any points into Faith

                                                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                                                  *IMPORTANT INFORMATION*

                                                                                                                  I am currently using a build with 80 Dexterity and 12 Strength with the 15 faith minimum for the Electrify Armerment Incantation. Finger Seal +25 has 141 Incant Scaling and buffs my weapons AR from 583 to 689. The Frenzied Flame Seal has an Incantation Scaling of 173 and buffs my weapon AR from 583 to 667. Therefore proving that Strength and Dexterity scaling on a sacred Seal effects the Incantation Scaling number but that Incantation Scaling doesnt effect weapon buffs. All other seals either have higher requirements (Erdtree, Golden Order, Gravel Stone, Godslayer, Dragon Communion) or scale worse with Faith (Giants, Clawmark).

                                                                                                                  TLDR: If you are using the minimum Faith/Intelligence required for a weapon buff and have no damaging spells, then the Finger Seal +25 will always add the most damage to your weapon.

                                                                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                                                                    So Im wondering, if this have a B in Faith and C in other stats, would it better to make quality build with this?

                                                                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                                                                      If you kill her before doing the questline you just get 3 frenzyflame stones that "use FP to continuously heal chaos followers". FP cost 15. Not sure what constitutes a chaos follower. Im assuming that is a specific type of summon, like the undead ones?

                                                                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                                                                        Not sure if this is intended. But after I equipped the frenzied flame seal the following occured.

                                                                                                                        First I started hearing slight whisperings in the back of my skulls. As if someone was constantly behind me. Each time I turned around - nothing. My left eye got better and better in usual vision, but my right eye started seeing beyond the fabric of reality only perceiving things as different hues of light. Beautiful music would start playing when I slaughtered goats for materials. I started to see crystaline shapes in my dreams wearing my face. When I awoke at the grace to continue, I felt as if eyes of entities beyond my comprehension was peering down upon me from the ground. I started to abandon sanity as an obstacle to absolute enlightenment. Wisdom only found in doing arbitrary actions without meaning, pointless nihilism in the act of trying to find purpose in progressing the game.

                                                                                                                        At times my skin appeared prismatic in the mirror. I could remember the future. This seal does not cause madness, madness is caused by your eyes denying the true fabric reality. This seal showed me the way. The road to freedom by breaking the shackles of the material plane. Come brothers, abandon your faith and sanity. Embrace the entity which dreams our reality across all dimensions in its sleep. Madness is defined by the sane, and in the world of insanity - the sane are the ones rejecting the truth of the godhead.

                                                                                                                        I weep for the ones who has not shed their sanity for this seal yet. It is freedom from the constraints of order. As beautiful as a burning wolf bathing in the liquid moon.

                                                                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                                                                          Does this boost the madness buildup from Vykes Warspear melee hits and weapon art? Is it only with incantations

                                                                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                                                                            Can someone confirm if arcane increases the madness build up amount? eg.bleed, frost etc. So far only scarlet rot doesn't scale with arcane

                                                                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                                                                              At +10 with 99 STR/DEX/INT/FTH it has 400 incant scaling
                                                                                                                              This makes it worse than golden order which has 418 at 99 INT/FTH, with the exception of frenzied flame spells.

                                                                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                                                                Just a quick bit of info:

                                                                                                                                If you kill Mogh the Omen before doing Hyetta's questline, activate the door and the frenzied flame,
                                                                                                                                You can go back and do her questline to get the seal. (I couldn't find any info on this so I said F*** it and did it for science.

                                                                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                                                                  i unintentionally killed Hyetta, how i can get this item? i use celestial dew on church of vows but dont work. i finished the quest of the three fingers flame but she ins´t in the cathedral of the forsaken.

                                                                                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                                                                                    With the "Unique" scaling on this seal at +10 your frenzy incantations will do more damage with most of the other seals.

                                                                                                                                    Only use this if you prefer or want the increased frenzy build up. (Haven't tested if the frenzy build up applies to all incantations cast using it)

                                                                                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                                                                                      I wonder if because the scaling on this is quite poor but spread across four different stats this would work best as a low level PVP seal? A character with a faith bias but otherwise quality-ish stat spread might benefit more from this than other seals at +3. Also assuming the boost to frenzy incantations is around 10% this could make for an interesting level 30-50 invasion build focusing on triggering madness. I missed my chance to get this seal unfortunately so I cant do any testing but it would be interesting to see the numbers.

                                                                                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                                                                                        Weird scaling. I'm wondering if a conventional 60-80 Faith build, using S seals like Godslayer, would end up doing more damage overall; even with the frenzy spell synergy boost.

                                                                                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                                                                                          +10 with 60 faith 15 strength 15 Dex and 10 int: 214 incant scaling

                                                                                                                                          +10 with 60 faith 40 strength 40 Dex and 40 int: 321 incant scaling

                                                                                                                                          I recommend dragon communion seal faith/arcane for highest possible incant scaling, it reaches 400+ at +10.

                                                                                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                                                                                            does the str and dex scaling actually affect the incantation scaling or is it just for melee-ing with the seal?

                                                                                                                                            • Just putting this here to dispel some information, as players hadn't had time to figure this out yet:

                                                                                                                                              Getting this seal does not lock you into a specific ending as you can complete Millicent's questline and use Miquella's Needle to break the influence of the frenzied flame. The game even tells you so after you defeat Mohg and do a platforming puzzle twice in an area full of emaciated frenzied flame fanatics. When you're able to get a mob maddened and destroy a tent, in that tent you will find note entitled "Miquella's Needle" saying

                                                                                                                                              "The Empyrean Miquella crafted a needle to resist the influence of outer gods.

                                                                                                                                              Those who have inherited the flame of frenzy, yet wish not to become its lord would do well to seek Miquella's Needle."

                                                                                                                                              • I had a few questions about this, I heard you get it right before you do an ending but it makes you loose some NPCs. Is it possible to get the flame then undo that, but still keep the flame?

                                                                                                                                                Also does it really cause madness buildup and what does that mean? Like is it for you or does it just add madness to every spell you cast with it?

                                                                                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                                                                                  Worth mentioning, there is an item that lets you essentially revoke the taking of the frenzying flame called Miquellas needle, which you can get from the end of Millicents questline. From my understanding, it sounds like this item will let you unlock yourself from the ending associated with taking the frenzying flame. I'm currently trying to get the needle to see if it is possible to take the flame, get the seal, then remove the flame with the needle as I personally don't want this ending first.

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