Prince of Death's Staff | Elden Ring Wiki

This should be equal too the gold order seal. Not SIGNIFIGANTLY worse. And SoNaF as only option for build... yer better going with alb staff, dragon seal, and all arcane to be viable.

Submit

"Your 99 Int / 99 Fth, extraordinary... The mark...of a true Lord..." -Malenia, Blade of Miquella

Submit

The Sorcery Scaling you get from this is heavily backloaded, making it a reward item for specific play styles, like for players that don't care about meta levels or that just want to level as high as possible, especially in PvE.

Submit

hi

Submit

This staff scale should've been like the golden order seal, with caps at 45/45 INT/FTH. Proportionaly at 45/45, it would have a sorcery scaling around 355-360, being a viable option for the regular NG.

Submit

"Brave Tarnished. Thy 99 Int / 99 Fth befits a crown." - Godfrey

Submit

As a Magma/Aberrant/Death combo sorcerer... I love this thing! I got the high faith and intelligence. It's mighty pricey to optimize for it's use, but it makes me feel like a real archmage, to cast spells that aren't just blue, soul, or crystal flavored. Plus, the golden seal for support spells is a good touch as a side investment. ^_^

Submit

So I've always interpreted faith scaling in from soft games as having more faith in an entity that empowers the item, but for this staff, what exactly do you have faith in? The prince of death? Those who live in death?

Submit

I think it’s not controversial to say that a weapon shouldn’t be designed to be viable only in NG+. For the trade off of being a versatile int/faith build, its sorcery scaling is horrible. They could have just made the bonus damage of Death Sorceries much higher to compensate for this instead of a pathetic 10%.

Submit

this staff is fantastic for a int/faith build, paired with the golden order seal they outscale every other casting equipment, unfortunately it only does so if you upgrade it completely and have a crazy amount of levels in both, but if you have the patience it is absolutely worth it.

plus it gives a bonus to death sorceries, witch is also nice.

Submit

Just mathed it out, if you use both sore seals,wear the twin sage crown, use both +5 faith and int heirlooms and start as an astrologer, along with for min maxings sake wearing a commoners garb along with a sip of the int tear and a taste of godricks great rune, oath that vengeance with the grafted sword, this **** can theoretically (albeit for a limited time) be wielded at 80/80 at only lvl 80, based as hell ****.

Submit

A lot of people in the comments are talking about stats as if that’s all that matter, bruh sometimes I just want to make a build around a concept like death, the worst thing about Elden ring is the weird meta mindset of dealing the absolute most damage in the easiest way possible. DS has always been a role playing game for a lot of the fan base sometime people just like making characters as opposed to worrying about the best stats

Submit

Technically best staff in the game but due to crazy requirements to make it so I only use it to test stuff on my level 250 character. Generally unless you are going pure faith int (bad idea because you give up on vigor and mind) it’s not worth the investment

Submit

god dammit, since after ds2 fromsoft just keeps shafting hexes please stop i miss my hex builds ;______;

Submit

At 80 int, 50 faith, the scaling is only 358. So unless you want to get to level 250+, this staff isn't really worth it. By the time you reach the 373 of carian regal, you've invested ~50 pts to faith. By the time you reach Lusat's 413, your faith will be close to 80. Lusat has the FP cost, but if you invest those ~65 pts to mind instead of faith, that cost becomes ridiculous.

The whole point of this staff isn't really for INT build. It's for a faith build that wants to mess with with sorceries a little. Kind of the opposite of golden order seal, which gives decent access to incantations to INT build.

Submit

At 80int, it'll take a LOT of faith to get better than carian regal. My guess is it'll surpass carian regal somewhere around 60fth.

At 80int / 23fth:
+0 168
+1 173
+2 179
+3 184
+4 190
+5 195
+6 201
+7 206
+8 212
+9 217
+10 223
+11 228
+12 234
+13 239
+14 244
+15 250
+16 255
+17 261
+18 266
+19 272
+20 277
+21 283
+22 288
+23 294
+24 299
+25 305

Submit

so... what would be a higher boost, dual wield staff of loss with one at +25 (max int) to cast night comet, or dual wield PoD's staff with one at +25 (max int and faith) to cast ancient death rancor?

Submit

I really hope the DLC will give us Dark Bead and make death sorcery really powerful like it was in DS1 and DS2

Submit

at 99 int and faith it has a sorcery scaling of 448

Submit

Remember how cool and overpower was the hexes of ds 1 and 2? Lmao have Tibia summons now

Submit

At 137 I’ve found 34 int, 24 fth 50 arcane on albinauric staff to be the best pvp set up for death/lava sorceries. You miss out on ignition/BFP but get pure physical damage, bleed weapon and poisonous mist ash of war. And you could, theoretically, rot breath or frenzy on arcane seal the ppl who are circling you when chased by rancors. I just use magma free aims while rancor and poison chip them. So so so much hate mail. Godfrey icon obviously. And I can shoot from inside freezing mist or fias mist. I have every single pvp status in the game.

Submit

This staff looks like it came from the tree in the pic of new DLC

Submit

Honestly only 10% boost to death sorceries is disappointing compared to stuff like the meteorite staff boosting gravity spells by 30%

Submit

I’m so disappointed that this staff requires F A I T H, like D E A T H should have absolutely nothing to do with F A I T H

Submit

Strongest possible staff at the absolute highest levels (80/80+). Dual-wield it with another on NG+ and death sorceries have an absolutely insane bonus that's about 750~, which is insanely high and no other catalyst, staff or seal, comes remotely close to that even when dual wielded. Even without that, the sorcery bonus is 448, solidly on top with Lusat's Staff and the Golden Order Seal coming in behind at 430 and 418 respectively.

Now you could use Lusat's, but in terms of FP economy it's atrocious - 50% more FP for 10% more damage. The further you get into the game, especially with each new NG+ cycle, you're going to what make every FP count, and Lusat's will burn your FP very fast. For something like a comet azure + terra magicus + hidden tear opening it's amazing, but once the physick wears off I'd switch to the prince of death's staff for all else, and ESPECIALLY if you're using any of the death sorceries, because that bonus is absurdly high. Might even be the highest bonus a specific type of magic gets from its associated catalyst.

Submit

80 int/fth +25 just open with a moon spell after that Death Rancor can melt every boss in this game

Submit

Interesting how in ds2 int/fth builds had hexes. They felt like a unified school of magic despite being chime and staff spells. Ds3 had a bit more messy thing going but still kinda solid. Here we get Golden Order Incants and Death sorc, pretty much polar opposites. I feel like the different schools of magic or sub groups or W/e are a bit too messy aesthetically. Beside hybrid caster being kinda crappy, they make no sense from a lore perspective either.

Submit

If you have 99 INT and the Graven Mass talisman, Carian Regal Scepter has a scaling of 388. The Prince of Death's Staff overtakes the scepter at 99INT + 61FTH, and at 99 in both stats (plus the talisman), it has a sorcery scaling of 448, 18 more than Lusat's Staff with the same skills + setup. At max stats and weapon upgrades it slightly out-damages Lusat's Staff in real terms, and without the increased FP cost as well.

Only viable for super-late-game / hyper-levelled builds, but if you put the work in, it's the best staff in the game.

Submit

Does the buff stack holding two?

Submit

This staff is so incredibly bad for meta builds. even the gelmir staff isn't really worth it. Just why? Why does this thing need hefty stat investment to actually do damage. Take a look at the golden order seal. It caps at 45/45 and you can deal serious damage way before that. The hybrid staves are just decoration at this point, almost 100 points in scaling behind GOS. What is the reason behind this? How are frisbees of light capable of outdamaging a fat lump of lava to the face or a whole family of angry ghosts? Please enlighten me.

Submit

One of the problems with int/faith builds is the struggle to get an int/faith scaling stave. PoD is locked behind quite a few bosses and is hidden in Deeproot depths, and the Gelmir stave is a non-guaranteed drop from an enemy that shows up once in the entire game and is a substantial distance from the nearest site of grace.

Submit

Found a bug with this weapon and the spinning weapon AoW. It doesnt do any magic damage like the carian regal scepter. I've got 434 sorcery scaling and this AoW is so weak it cant kill a rat.

Submit

How much is the bonus damage to death sorceries?

Submit

Heretical? Why can't I be smart AND pious at the same time? Lmao

Submit

Pretty sure this has the highest sorcery scaling in the game when you have it at plus 25 and with like 99 int and 99 faith correct if I am wrong

Submit

Why on earth does this thing have to be so backloaded with its scaling? I wouldn't mind if it capped at 300 something at 50/50, makes trying to do int/faith at lower levels really hard to do lol

Submit

staff of choice for overleveled phantoms. If I see one of these when invading I know I'm in for a rough time.

Submit

At 80 INT and 80 FTH a +25 Prince of Death’s Staff has 430 sorcery scaling.

Submit

If you can get 75%of its max potential when int/faith are both40, the hybrid build become viable. Right now the build just lack a competent staff(seal is fine)(weapon is not really a problem since infusion softcap is 50).

Submit

At 99 each this staff is the highest damage staff in the game

Submit

As I try to switch from Carian Regal Scepter to Prince of Death's Staff, this is what I found:

Comparison of Sorcery Scaling between Carian Regal Scepter+10 and Prince of Death's Staff+25 at 80 INT:

Carian Regal Scepter+10 with 80 INT is 373 Sorcery Scaling

Prince of Death's Staff+25 with 80 INT and 57 Faith is 372 Sorcery Scaling

Prince of Death's Staff+25 with 80 INT and 58 Faith is 374 Sorcery Scaling

IMHO, 58 Faith is a lot in order for Prince of Death to out damage Carian Regal. I guess Carian Regal Scepter is just too good. Anyway, it won't stop me going for 80 INT / 80 Faith ... :D

/cheers

Submit

eat your heart out Lusat

Submit

literally nowhere on this page does it say it's in deeproot depths.

Submit

Hybrid builds are fun and cool! Dont listen to any cry baby meta users, do you instead

Submit

The best way to build hybrid (Btw I haven't said it publicly but as I will always beleive FAITH WILL ALWAYS BE FOR MULTCLASSING) with INT/FAITH with 75/45 or 45/,75 if u want to stay near pvp lvl If u chose 75 int just use lusats and regal royal and u get to use all the int weapons and arts also sonf if u go faith u get all theirs instead (ERDTREE SEAL IS DOODOODOODOO) since you will be using sonaf if there are any other weapons u like chose use 45/40 as a baseline and go from there malikeths sword or dark moon Marika's sorseal if u want lusats to hit 413 scaling even drop 5 from FAITH if ur using it or vice versa if ur favorite weapons is some **** like blasphemous. Quick note full faith is pointless unless go faith in if ur a caster except for 1 single reason ur stuck using sonaf if u go split but in return u get the rings of light spells which are amazing and there's slightly better spell scaling full as the elementalist build say expert of all master of none until u hit 150 atleast

Submit

Max level Prince of Death at; 70 Int / 50 Faith is 332 sorcery scaling.
Golden Order is 360. Very decent that i wanted to play a build that can use ALL the spells game has and because of int/faith scaling items i can play without penalty.

Submit

At 35/35 faith/intel, I used the Golden Order talisman to spam triple rings of light to absolutely shred Radahn. It wasn’t even a challenge, the damage output was absolutely insane… at 50/50 faith/intel, I can barely harm any significant enemies with ancient death rancor. Even basic trash mobs take two fully charged shots on average. And that’s with Godfrey Icon, magic scorpion charm, and both graven school talismans. The scaling on the PoD staff is trash and the death sorceries are trash too…

Submit

Do I need to increase both int and faith?

Submit

Should add to the info that this is staff has the highest potential scaling of any staff at even 80 int/75 Faith. The increased scaling at 80/80 isn't that significant , but it's still a better option than Lusats even at equal or slightly lower scaling because it lacks +50% fp cost of Lusats, making blue flasks less frequently needed.

Submit

Prince of Death Staff Sorcery Scaling at 60 int 60 faith - 326.Sacred Seal Equivalent, Golden Order Seal, at 60 int 60 faith - 360. Pure int staff, Carian Regal Staff, at 80 int - 373. Pure faith Sacred Seal, Erdtree Seal, at 80 faith - 353. Why would you ever use this staff? You lose out on so much Vigor and Mind as a hybrid caster, and for what? Casting Death Sorceries? I don't know how knowledgeable most of the ER community is on them right now, but Death Sorceries, in their current state, are TRASH. Ancient Death Rancor is the only one that is semi redeemable, but even then it it does poor damage even compared to a glintstone pebble coming out of a 80 int +10 Carian Regal Scepter or Lusat's Staff.

Submit

Someone dropped this to me after summoning me, I'm unsure why but hey the staff looks cool (even though I'm an incant build lol)

Submit

Genuine question, why does this staff even exist? It’s themed around the death sorceries so it would make sense that you’re supposed to use them with it, but the scaling is so horrendous that you’re much better off just using the regal scepter/Lusat’s with 80 int and the minimum of 30 faith to use all of the death sorcs since the scaling is better in every way and it saves you a good 50 levels. Plus you can just offhand this thing to get the boosts for the death sorceries while still having much better spell boost with the other two staffs. The only purpose this thing even serves is being the highest spell boost staff at high levels once you hit the 80/80 softcaps, but it gets outclassed by every other staff at any other level so there is genuinely no reason to use this useless your at level 250+. The other hybrid staffs suffer from this same issue where the pathetic scaling doesn’t warrant how high the soft caps are

Submit

Probably unpopular opinion, but I wouldn't mind a much lower int/fth stat investment for PoD and a scaling nerf so as long as it's balanced around having similar or better scaling as Carian Regal Scepter. This issue also seems to be present in both Gelmir Staff and Albinauric Staff, where Gelmir has a pretty horrible 45/45 int/fth scaling while Albinauric Staff only reaches 373 sorcery scaling at 80/80 int/arc, which is a huge stat investment if you're only planning on leveling to 150 or less. Overall, hybrid staves are kind of gimped and two of those staves either don't scale enough (Gelmir) or takes a LOT of investment just to be on the same level as Carian Regal Scepter (Albinauric).

Submit

I mean, yeah this staff might be better at 80/80 FTH/INT but that's like, double the stat investment to be marginally better than the next best staves.

Submit

Does anyone know how many faith points are needed for this one to surpass carian regal scepter given 80 int?

Submit

int/faith builds were my favorite in ds2 and ds3, it's unforgivable just how terrible it is in this game. i really doubt it'll happen but i hope they'll make it pvp viable in the dlc

Submit

I don't mind that this is the strongest staff in the game once you reach the 80/80 requirements. What bothers me is that there's no other staves to match it. Look at the Albinauric Staff, even at its 80/80 split it only manages to match the Carian Regal Scepter. Why don't any staves have better scaling at their high investments?

Submit

"Staff embedded with sullied amber, said to be a very part of the Prince of Death" so not only did his soul have to be killed, now we are taking his "staff" too. Elden Ring is very cruel to Godwyn

Submit

i feel like a lot of you are missing the point of some of these weapons: yeah, the prince of death's staff has a massive stat investment to shine. that's kind of the point. to give you something to take advantage of in ng+ and beyond. this is a staff that you can literally only take advantage of and is really needed in ng+. it's a weapon for the next level of play; think endgame.

Submit

Death staff is only 10% boost

Submit

So, certain sorceries and play styles only shine in NG + and a Necromancy build is one of them. It was okay in NG and it slaps in NG+.

Paired with the Golden Order Seal and Death Rite Spear, it melts the game. Ancient Rancor stuns bosses and Ghostflame explosion mollywops bosses with minions.

Moreover, pairing this with Helphen’s Steeple, the Eclipse Shotel, Family Heads, Occult Swordspear, claps Elden cheeks until the Mountaintops.

Submit

DO NOT BE FOOLED.
I have 99 int and 99 faith, making my +25 prince of deaths staff having 448 Sorcery Scaling (SS) while my +10 Lusats staff having 430 SS. HOWEVER, when using scholar’s armament on my whip with an AR of 578, it goes up to only 784 AR with prince of death while it goes up to 901 AR with Lusats staff. Even meteorite staff with a SS of 291 brings my whip up to 797, being more than that of the prince of death. I also tried this with other spells, with only prince of death coming on top for death sorceries because of the additional damage.

Tl;dr scaling might be glitches with prince of death because despite it having a higher SS, it does way less than Lusats in every spell type except for death.

Submit

This thing starts to outshine the carian regal sceptre in scaling in ng+ for a hybrid caster, I have 77 int and 60 faith and it’s scaling is 370 while the carian staff is 360 the only other staff that beats it is lusats but this thing doesn’t have the extra fp cost

Submit

What's the % boost for death sorceries?

Submit

The location directions should read "The Nameless Eternal City" site of grace instead of deeproot depths site of grace.

Otherwise excellent directions!

Submit

430 Sorcery scaling at +25 and 80/80 int/faith

Submit

Doesnt seem to give the buff to death sorceries when wielded in the offhand.

Submit

This staff is better than any other glintstone staff for death sorcery when you have the required 30fth to cast explosive ghost flame. For best results dont level faith past 30 until 80 int is reached, it seems the int scaling is slightly better than the faith scaling

Submit

This and the gelmir staff are absolute trash they can be outperformed in their niche with less points spent, and that is without taking offhanding into account

Submit

Just a heads up for those wondering:

Even with the +30% death sorcery buff in mind, Lusat's Glintstone staff outshines this staff at 80 int/24 Faith (min. faith requirement for ancient death rancor).

You have to put some serious points into Faith for Prince's Staff to outshine Lusat's (even if you're just using it to cast Death Sorceries). The minimum requirement for Prince's Staff is 80 int/30 FAI. Again, if you plan on using ANY sorceries such as Azur's Comet, Lusat's Staff willl outshine Prince's Staff until very, very late into the game. You will have to ignore putting points into other useful stats like VIG, MIND, etc for this purely min/max build as well.

Submit

So I'm trying to make a mid level Int/Faith necromancer build using this and all I can say is that the scaling for this is ****ed and should be buffed at lower levels. At 34 Int and 24 Faith with a +12 staff I get 167 scaling. A meteorite staff at these stats gets 178. Now if you compare that to the Golden Order Seal with the same stats at +5 it receives 203 scaling. Honestly your better off just ignoring the death magic and making a golden order paladin build with the same stats. I understand that this thing may have kickass scaling at 80/8 int/faith but if you are trying to make a normal level character using death sorceries the damage just is not there. This is before even mentioning how lackluster the death sorceries are to begin with with either poor damage, long cast and recovery time or both. Hopefully this gets acknowledged and buffed by Fromsoft so that this thing can have a use outside of meta level builds. Alongside buffs to death magic in general of course.

Submit

DEATH SORCERY PERCENTAGE:
Anyone discover how much it boosts death sorcery by? Most other staves give you a percentage like 15% 30% and 8%...

The exact percentage might vary by patch, but curious here and can't find it anywhere..

Submit

unsure what the deal is, but with similar sorc scalings on staves, scholars armament, the sorcery that adds magic damage to main weapon, has a crazy detriment with this staff, with testing 422 and 439 sorc scalings on lusat and prince of death staves, lusat had 300 damage add, while prince of death staff added about 205, while prince of death had the higher sorcery scaling. As an added test i tested carian regal scepted which was at 362, and it added closer to 270, once again FAR above prince of death staff. Unsure if other spells are affected this way with this staff, might be a wonky thing to do with the pseudo faith scaling this staff has

Submit

I'm at 60 Int and 60 Fai and I'm getting more damage from this than the Carian Regal Scepter and both Azur and Lusat's staffs. All fully upgraded. In other words, having A scaling with both stats is better than S scaling with only Int.

Submit

godzilla had a ****ing stroke while trying to read that. seriously when is which staff better?

here's how I understand it: A)you keep Int and Fth the same, Gelmir is better under 50, death's prince is better above 50 B) your stats are skewed towards one more than the other, death's prince is better with one stat above 50.

which means once one of your stats hits 51, switch to death's prince. is it that simple? why not write that?

Submit

combine with golden order seal + talisman that give you +2 memory slot , I'm ready for the random bs go meme

Submit

It does seem to still give the buff to death sorcerey when casting with another staff. As long as it's equipped in the other hand the damage seems to get boosted, just like the thorns sorcery staff.

Submit

dont even bother with this staff except for keeping it in your offhand to boost death sorceries.

(at +25) With 80 Int, the carian regal scepter outperforms this staff in sorcery scaling untill you get to 58 faith after which the PoDS begins to outperform the carian staff.

it doesnt outperform lusats until 74 faith (considering 80 int as well)

i really wish they would adjust the scaling on this staff for it to be comparable to the golden order seal at earlier faith/int investments

Submit

448 Sorcery Scaling at 99 Int and 99 Fai.

Submit

With a stat spread of 60/60/50/80/80/99/99/20, and all staves at +25 or +10, this staff reigns supreme for raw power. The arcane hybrids suck, i tried them briefly for more bloody thorn sorcs, they arent worth.

Submit

At 72/72 this equals the Carian Regal Scepter at 99 int and at 80/80 equals Lusat's Glintstone Staff at 99 int.

Submit

For a A/A scaling this just does not scale like the Golden Order Seals A/A. Requires way more int/faith to reach 300+ scaling which doesnt really make sense. You can use Academy staff to do more damage with Ancient Death Rancor with a split stat build despite the passive that PoDS provides.

Submit

Does anyone perhaps have a list of Ashes of War that this staff can use? I can't seem to find any info on this

Submit

70/70 for 378 scaling which is easily obtainable for 80 Int on other staves is a crime.

Submit

Faith Int is the most try hard build ever. Golden Order seal gives pretty nice incant scaling but this staff really falls short, plus add in the fact death sorceries arent terribly strong to start with and you kind of feel like could just be doing arcane/faith and spamming Swarm of Flies. I wanted to run Black Blade, Andula's Moonblade (maybe Frozen Lightning Spear), Rykards Rancor/Scourging Black Flame to reset frostbite but its really difficult to combo most of these on a boss vs a pure sorc build. Would be great if at 45/45 this staff would have 300+ scaling...my sorc has a 400+ scaling with the same amount of stats in Int. Staff needs a buff to be more in line with Golden Order/Dragon Communion Seal.

Submit

I'm sick and tired reading a lot of comments in here about how this particular staff is weak compare to other staff. Guys, you need a different perspective to really appreciate this amazing staff. And with that, this staff clearly is for hybrid caster build. Let's face it, you can't outscale other staff and seal especially with pure builds but that's the point of being a hybrid. Versatility, and you have more variety of sorceries and incantations to choose from in a given situation. You can be a range dps with your wide sorceries and incantations, a support by using buff spells like golden vow, blessings boon, terra magicus etc. Yes, it got a weird sorc scaling compare to other staff and this one is absolutely a NG+ staff but that's what amazing about it. It's unique. I read and watched a lot of videos in YT about people having a hard time with some difficult bosses using this staff and i clearly said, they are building around this staff in a wrong way. I've defeated a lot of difficult bosses using this staff with ease because of sorceries and incantations you can choose from. I killed the 2 gargoyles with just using ancient death rancor and using swarm of flies. Killed the invisible black knife assassin with shattering crystal and buffing golden vow, blessings boon and heal for me and my summons. And i'm loving my hybrid caster with this staff. My main stay damage sorceries are great glintstone shard, comet and ancient death rancor. My main stay buff incantations are golden vow, blessing's boon and heal. The other memory slots i got, i changed it accordingly to my situation. My equipments are this staff, golden order seal and sacrificial axe just for the fp kill passive and thats it. I'm enjoying every adventures. I'm currently at SL 127 with 70 int 25 fth and would invest more to faith up to 45 till i hit SL150 for more incantations. And seriously, im just carrying 3 crimson tears just for an emergency heal and the rest of my flask goes to fp flask. So clearly this staff is really meant for NG+ game. It will outscales every other staff in the game with 80/80 int/fth. If that's what you are only looking into. But if you really want to build around this staff, then you better be accept that you will never surpass the pure builds in terms of damage, but you will have a lot of tricks in your sleeve because of your dual main stats.

Submit

I would say that this staff is only really viable from level 215 onward. I am currently level 217 with 80 intelligence and 80 faith with my other stats being decent and this staff has a sorcery scaling of 430 which is the same as a 99 intelligence Lusat's Glintstone Staff minus the 50 percent FP cost increase.

Submit

Current stats:
- 36 VIGOR
- 25 MIND
- 15 ENDURANCE
- 17 STRENGTH
- 25 DEX
- 55 FAITH
- 55 INTEL
- 9 ARCANE

Main properties for this build are as follows for SL.130 - SL140: Eclipse Shotel+10, PoDS+24 and Golden order Seal+9 with the Talismans of Radagon's Soreseal, Erdtree Favor+2, Dragoncrest Ring and Prothesis-Wearer Heirloom. Spells will be Death Lightningg, Golden Vow, Fia's Mist, Ancient Death Rancor and Explosive Ghostflame.

You hit hard enough with your Death Sorceries, I found the difference to be so minimal and not worthy that I chose to be significantly more tankier and have the options of Golden Vow to bring up by defenses to par. I'm using of course Fia's Hood and Chestpiece, the rest will be Fire Prelate gauntlets and Leggings. (33% DMG NEG across the board) it's a fun and very unique build, I recommend you buff Exclipse Shotel for the passive Death Blight buildup and in close quarters, charge your Fia's Mist. You have semi-good AoE options but with huge drawbacks, mainly being: Explosive Ghostflame's recovery and Death Lightning's vulnerability. For my Physick, I'm using Mixed Holy and Mixed Magic increase. Finally, I'm unironically using Wrath Calling Bell and regal Omen Bairn as you do considerable damage and makes a good mixup.

Enjoy!

Submit

I have a question about sorcery scaling, hoping someone here can answer this. Does a higher sorcery scaling number always correspond to higher damage output? Might seem like a silly question but I wonder about that and how the number is calculated. I would expect that the int+faith hybrid staffs should do a lot more damage since you're literally doubling your point investment to get optimal scaling, so question is does the scaling number fully reflect damage output? (I speak under correction but from what I understand the hybrids need a point investment in faith equal to intelligence for optimal scaling.) I need to see damage comparison numbers on a target (say a giant) for carian regal & lusat vs albinauric & prince of death, using a sorcery that isn't passively boosted by any of those, with equal points invested into both intelligence and faith. But damn I'm still far from being able to do that myself when it comes to skill points at say 80 into both stats.

Submit

Absolute garbage......buuuut totally worth it using this for Fia's Mist, tbh big af investment pumping 23 int into my pure faith build in countering bloodhound step

Submit

So this is the NG+ staff then. Higher sorcery scaling than Lusat's when int/fth maxed out, no FP penalty, and all incantations become available. As a pure mage on my first playthrough I'm going to do this on NG+, I was originally planning to do a new pure faith character. Golden order seal and golden vow incantation for starters when I make the switch. Praise the message!

Submit

For anyone wanting to make a "Death Build" using all the Death Spells and some Miracles like the Black Flame ones, 42 Int/30 Fth is the minimum you need.
From someone who Is currently using a "Death Build" with a Grave Scythe, Black Flame incantations and Death Sorceries, I can say that it's a solid build for PvP and PvE. It's not broken by any means, and you do have to gauge when to do what with how many options you have, but you can not only stagger enemies well, but enemy players will have a hard time dealing with you as it's honestly rare to see a build like this. Current stats are 30 STR/13 DEX, 45 INT/ 30FTH, 30 VIG/ 20 END and I'm sitting at level 115.

Submit

For SL150 builds, interestingly this and Gelmir Glintstone Staff have identical scaling at 55int/42fth. Both capping at 280, and both higher than Azur Glintston Staff. This falls far short of Carian Regal Scepter at 80int, which will give 373 scaling, but if you count the 30% for lava/death magic in, it does get close. Problem is, an int/faith hybrid doesn't need a single lava spell (which kinda suck anyway) since Golden Order Seal actually gives proper scaling at 339 at the same stats, compared to 353 from Erdtree Seal at full 80fth. And death spells are just altogether weak, even if Ancient Death Rancor does do amazing stagger.

All in all, I wasted a good deal of time experimenting with a hybrid caster and found out that even though the post-nerf SoNaF is still a good weapon, a hybrid simply isn't viable compared to the pure thing. You're locked with essentially only that weapon, as nothing else in the entire game scales like it does. It directly competes with your spells, many of which are better than the weapon. And as a hybrid you will be always stuck dealing over 30% less dmg than a real sorcerer, and healing for considerably less than a real faith caster.

The fact that the golden order spells all really suck, doesn't help. They have a niche, such as Litany of Proper Death, and Law of Regression, but those are not enough to save it. Meanwhile a pure sorc or faith build will have better weapons with superior damage, better spells with superior damage, more stat points to spend around and guaranteed 40mnd and 50vig. Any way you look at it, SoNaF, which is the only real choice, doesn't hold a candle against Moonveil or Blasphemous Blade, which have the better special AND deliver far superior damage in regular attacks as well.

Submit

I wish people actually posted relevant information, instead of this "ooh if you have 99/99 then it's really nice". The meta cap is SL150, what people NEED to know, is what levels are obtainable within that frame. 99/99 is interesting to absolutely no-one, and besides if you have that much stats to spare, you will have the materials to play around without having to look into it here.

Namely, the point of interest are the golden order builds in int/fth 40/40 - 55/55 range, or variations thereof. The question being, at what stage does either PoDS or Gelmir Glintstone Staff become the superior casting tool for a hybrid caster?

Submit

80 INT got me 705 damage with a glintstone pebble using Lusat +10
80 INT/FAI got me 740 damage with Prince of Death +25
an increase of 5%...it's not much, but it doesn't have the 50% increased FP cost that comes with Lusat. And I don't have to carry around the Carian Regal Scepter anymore for the reduced FP cost. So that's somethin.

Submit

this staff should probably be buffed a little, no need to increase the overall scaling when both int and fai reaches 99, just decrease its softcap(like 70/30, still need 10 more points than 80int crs, but you get the advantage of using incantation).Right now 48 more points to make it surpass crs is just too much.

Submit

Can we apply Bloodhound's Step to this staff?

Submit

so did some tests as a mixed caster sitting at lvl 150, 60 int 60 faith split, with and without terra magicus and boosting talismans.... and on average Prince of Death's Staff +24 did more than Lusat's Staff +10 and doesnt take as much fp to boot. Still easier to achieve higher damage as a pure caster since it'll take less levels to reach 80 int and you'll do more damage with Lusat's staff that way but.... if you want a mixed build between int and faith so you can use incantations then this is still the best staff for you when you get to endgame. (ps if your looking for a seal that scales with int/faith the Golden Order Seal is pretty good)

TLDR: PoDS is better than LS for TRUE mixed casters in the first playthrough at endgame and is the best staff in ng+.... but if you only want to do sorceries and not incantations then why are you using this? go make a pure int build instead

Submit

Spent some respecs to see when this staff is able to overtake the Carian Regal Staff. Here's what I came up with. Hopefully it helps out!

Carian Regal 80 INT = 373 Sorc Scaling
PoD 80/57 INT/FAI = 372 Sorc Scaling
PoD 80/58 INT/FAI = 374 Sorc Scaling

Submit

I spent a few respecs to get some numbers around the scaling for this and when it overtakes the Carian Regal staff.

CRS+10 80 INT = 373
PoD+25 80 INT/57 FAI = 372
PoD+25 80 INT/58 FAI = 374

Submit