Primal Glintstone Blade | Elden Ring Wiki

This does make a difference if you're using high FP sorceries and incantations and using an entire talisman slot is worth the potential damage dealt. It can offset the extra FP consumption of things like Lusat's Staff, which consumes ~50% extra FP, letting you get bigger damage for less FP. Anyway:

Comet = 24 FP (10x at 40 Mind)
Comet w/talisman = 18FP (13x at 40 Mind)
Comet w/Lusat's Staff = 36FP (6x at 40 Mind)
Comet w/talisman + Lusat's Staff = 27FP (8x at 40 Mind)

Less time-wasting with refuelling or dealing with the no-FP animation might even offset the HP reduction. Also, while it's incredibly inefficient and there are many better ways to buff, In the interest of stacking items that increase FP consumption, if you dual-wield Lusat's Staff, the FP cost goes down from 54 to 41 with the talisman. Something like Catch Flame or Glintstone Pebble goes down from 10/11 FP to about 8, at which point you're probably better off using a Cerulean Amber Medallion because it won't be worth the HP drop, especially considering you find this in the Mountaintops and your Vigor will probably be over 20.

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Does the reduced cost round up or down? Catch flame is 10 FP, does this talisman reduce the cost to 8 or 7 FP? Similar question about the HP but I suppose that’s less important seeing as the values get so high

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I tried making this work on a level 18 Prophet frenzy-twink and just dumping vigor. The blessed dew talisman is actually not bad for passive healing when you have 351 HP. Problem is, by the time I actually got this talisman, I had Mind locked in at 22 for eight castings of Flame of Frenzy. I had maxed flasks and with twelve servings of blue juice. The opportunity cost was also significant. I needed the Clarifying Horn Charm and Two Fingers Heirloom for the build, leaving me two slots. Godfrey Icon and Fire Scorp were just better for surviving at this level because I needed the extra damage to one-shot enemies. Final nail in the coffin, the 63 HP lost for this talisman really does make a difference as early as Stormveil Castle, where banished knights will one-shot you on moves you survived before. Sometimes I remember to equip PGB to cast blessing's boon but that's about it for me and my build. At this level it's probably more viable for a glintstone pebble setup, lower damage and more casts, and safer range. Might test that out and report back someday.

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This talisman is missing from the collection of links at the foot of the article.

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38 Mind, 221 FP, 220 healed by Cerulean Flask, 275 effective FP per charge is the sweet spot. Less MND is equal efficiency, but less value; where more MND is less efficiency with equal value.

Somewhat useful on an int build if you're exploring an area and clearing enemies. 10 Night Comets or 17 Spiral Shards per flask. Maybe carry 3-6 Crimson Flasks during exploration.

Very useful on a FAI or INT/FAI build(45/45) where you'll be able to get more efficient healing per flask from spells.

I would recommend swapping to another talisman for bosses and multiplayer as the reduced HP suddenly means death is instant.

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only good use for this is buffing during invasions to save fp and switching back to a real talisman once you're done

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i'm just imagining the crown of dusk telling this thing "you tried" from beyond the grave

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For when you already get oneshot by everything anyway because you're in mountaintops of the giants with 9 vigor and a dream

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Before you trash this talisman into oblivion you guys must remember that scarab heads exist. When stacking this talisman and incantation/glintstone scarab the total fp decrease is 35 % (wrath of gold is worth 40 and it becomes 26) which isn’t little.

I asked someone who knows a lot about the game if doing this is worthy and he told me that on your first play through you will see a good benefit but in ng when you level your mind high enough you shouldn’t bother using these two things together.

Both objects will put some strong burdens in your character but you’ll notice a good difference until lvl 200, so for me it’s clear this talisman has a good use.

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hell yeah i *love* worse cerulian medallion

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I don't get it. What's the difference between this and the Carian Filigreed Crest? If I'm understanding it correctly, they both do the same thing, but this talisman has a downside while the other one doesn't. Am I misinterpreting something?

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Mathematically a very disappointing talsiman.

Go and watch Chrightt's videos on staves and talismans Mathematically, it's doing a lot less than you think it is.

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Back in dark souls this stuff costed us half our HP to get the same amount of extra casts, spells are already easy mode, don't think it twice

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Fun to use, especially on Support sytled faith builds that summon a lot or use spirit ashes. Normally you're not getting near targets with this and Pairing it alongside Ritual Shield Talisman is a very effective way to stay mostly safe even with the lowered HP... (especially since most spell focused builds normally run lower Vigor anyway)

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on one hand, you'll probably need more crimson flasks, but on the other hand you'll probably have more crimson flasks because you need less cerulean flasks.

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Ongbal trying not to use this talisman in his ER videos challenge (impossible)

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I'm never sure if this talisman is good or not. I think it would be best when using a FP hungry spell, and you have a low max FP.

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only really useful on spells that chug mana continuously like dragon breath

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most spells aren't really expensive enough to warrant using this, so unless you're using a min maxed gimmick setup like comet azur, don't bother

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FP is never a problem for me. The only issue is finding an opening to get a quick chug.

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Absolutely worthless talisman. Carian Filigreed Crest decrease skill cost by 25% and without any negative effect. This always rounds down your health decrease (1814x0.85=1541.9 but gives 1541) and the most used spell only gets a 14% decrease, rather than the closer 28% decrease. Using the glintstone pebble skills with carian crest is much more viable than the spell with this as it does like 2.5x the damage and costs exactly the same, only downsids are it has less range and can't be chain cast.

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If i wanted to use lusats staff and crown it is worth using this talisman? If so should i go for 50 vigor and 38 mind? (Just don't get hit)

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Saying that using this item comes down to an un-optimized build and then produce numbers saying that redistributing your points gives you ~36% more FP for the same HP cost; decreasing cost by 25% is equivenent to increasing FP by 33%. So already the numbers are very close.

Add to the fact that there are synergies with abilities that regain flat amounts of FP and this item starts looking really good.

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It actually reduces HP by 15%. My current mage character has 40 Vigor, i.e., 1450 max HP. After equipping PGB HP drops to 1232. 1232/1450 = 0.849655... ~ 0.85 meaning a 0.15 or 15% drop.

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Wonder if they are ever gonna make pure caster builds viable, rather than making every talisman far worse than their skill counterparts. On top of spells doing terrible damage compared to most powerstanced (which don't cost 5k FP to swing and tale 5 days).

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Me with 9 vigor at mountaintops: "Challenge run? this is just optimal"

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Morgott's great rune more than cancels out the HP reduction, and doesn't occupy a talisman slot or require respeccing. If you can keep a Rune Arc going for a while (i.e. not dying), pairing this with Morgott's rune can make for a decent overworld PvE setup.

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Useful if you want to kill certain bosses with Comet Azur since less mana cost = more continuous beam stream.

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*This means problems with FP consumption come down to an un-optimized build or playstyle*

HA! GOOD ONE i have 58 vigor 38 mind and 70 faith my only way to further optimise my mana consumption is this and incantation scarab making my spells cost 40% less and allowing me to dish out healing and buff like if was nothing exept each spell cost normally 60 mana (lvl 138) and faith-knot crystal tear bring me to 80 faith

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I have question do you recollect sold talismans in ng +

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Whoever wrote the weird rant thinks they're really smart but doesn't consider the full picture:
1. The math is misleading because mind increases only the base mana pool but not the amount recovered from flasks. If you use 6 blue flasks, that's 1211 and 1555 FP at 30 and 40 mind respectively which is a 28.3% increase. Most spellcasting builds will already have 38 mind, and at 6 flasks the increase from 38->48 is only 4.3% (much lower because the max is past 220). The effect of the talisman is always 33.3%.
2. HP is generally less valuable on ranged builds, at least in PvE.
Consider the above two points when you're deciding if you should use this.

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There's a problem here in the advice being given.
This talisman is incredibly useful if you hit the softcap for Mind and still want more FP.
It makes Comet Azure viable even after your physic runs out

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The note saying you may as well respec is dumb and should either be amended to correctly communicate to readers or removed entirely.

The talisman can be swapped in and out at any time, giving you versatility in the moment.
It also doesn't cost a larval tear to use.

This is useful for those moments you're either going to die if you get hit once anyway but still like having levelled vigor, so you need to break out the high damage spells to finish a fight quickly

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I agree that mathematically, equipping this talisman is worse than making equivalent stat changes. I still think the talisman is valuable, though, because it gives you versatility in PvE. You shouldn't spec your character around having this talisman equipped at all times, but equipping it gives you a way to temporarily shift your stats out of vigor and into mind at the cost of some stat inefficiency. If you're playing a spellsword you don't want to sacrifice vigor/healing for FP, but if you find a situation where your spells are more useful than your sword, you can swap in this talisman for an adjustment. I think that's pretty swell.

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I'm gonna let you guys in on a little secret. Swap to this talisman and cast a health regen spell. Swap off this talisman. Profit.

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editors should keep their opinions to themselves and just focus on the data of the item. yeah, increasing your FP isn’t comparable or favorable to a cost discount. what a weird rant, to justify dumping all your stats into fp at high level? bro lost the plot, not everyone has your same ‘optimized’ playstyle lol

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As of patch 1.08.1, with 40 vigor I get 1450 health without this talisman. When equipped my HP drops to 1232 so it seems the HP reduction is still 15%,

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Note to commenters: Patch 1.08.1 seems to have reverted the HP reduction back to 15%.

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This needs to be updated, as of patch 1.08 the HP reduction is 7% instead of 15%.

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Radahn's Great Rune cancles the hp Drain.... So Just use it Then The Best Staff in game >>>> THEN dont use as much Fp So a Win Win>> Welcome

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This doesn't stack with the beetle hats or rather let's say it reduces a spell by 8 but the beetle reduces by 4 if u have both equiped the beetle will only reduce it by 3 then

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I think it's pretty cool, even if my health sucks. Die fast, kill faster

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good for co op phantoms to spam heal spells throughout a level

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does this matter when im using lusat at 90 mind?

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I'm only seeing a HP drop of around 1% when equipped. Takes me from 1355 to 1343. I also have a soreseal and scorpion charm equipped. Possible the HP reaction is capped?

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The criticism that this talisman is not worth it seems a bit surface level. Yes obviously it would be better to just have the points moved around, but this talisman gives you the ability to essentially swap the stats in favor of mind while clearing dungeons when you need the FP - and then simply swap back for dangerous single foes or bosses when you need the higher vigor.

If the talisman was ever more efficient than skill point redistribution then suddenly the decision for casters would be to put the extra 10 in vigor and run this talisman whenever possible.

This talisman is good in the same way the torch is good. You want it in a good number of dungeons but almost never during boss fights.

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The mid-wiki rants about how 'inefficient' this talisman is should be removed. They leave a lot of possibilities out of the picture and make some hard assumptions about how someone 'should' play the game.

Like all items in the game, it will work well in some builds/playstyles and not so well in others.

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Okay the big explanation about putting points from vigor to mind isnt actually working since you shouldnt have much bigger FP bar than 220 points since you get 90% your mana from flasks.
if you have 9 mana flasks it would equal 2200 points.
If you fp bar were bigger than 220, like 300, your overall mana pool would be 2280.....
So dont put points from vigor to mind. im gonna get this talisman even tho it eats my health abit.

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if you're embracing being a squishy mage sure, why not, but if you plan to have any health at all dont bother

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Hmm, I think maybe the HP demerit should be nerfed. Maybe like -7.5% HP

-15% is wild.

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Article says this isn't efficient but uses it in one of the fextra builds, yeah im sure any user can edit it but I feel like this gives way too much conflicting information just not a great look.

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the negative aspect of this Talisman needs to be removed

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Tried it on a meme dragon caster
Not a meme
Pretty ridiculous honestly

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This does not cancel Lusat staff +50% FP usage effect

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Vigor scales well up till 60. At level 100+, you should be able to cap vigor and still have plenty of points in mind. But before that, you can use this talisman to make use of the better vigor:HP ratio compared to the poor mind:FP ratio at low mind levels.

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Does this stack with incantation scarab? If none has tested, I'll give it a whirl when I can

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Now I have read alot here that this talisman is not worth it. From my experience this is not true generally. In fact it depends on your build and playstyle. I use to play a frost sorcerer and Co-Op in End Game (Lvl 150). One of the strongest spells you can use is obviously Rannis Moon. Yet the spell costs a lot of mana. If you have 40 Mind you can only cast about 3 Rannis Moons, before you have to take a flask. If you use this talisman however, you can ditch out 5 Rannis Moons. Now of course you can get 48 Mind and get the Cerulean Seed Talisman, but you would still only be able to ditch out 4 Rannis Moons. Not only that, but you also have to drink your potions sooner, which means downtime for casting spells. After having tried alot (even other more offensive talismans) the Primal Glintstone Blade is a Must for this build and playstyle.

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Unless you want to use this alongside the Carian Filigreed Crest, if you only want one or the other just use the Carian crest, because it reduces spell costs by the same 25%, but doesn't reduce health

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If you use this with Lusat's Glintstone Staff, does the 25% reduction in mana consumption apply to the total mana used (after the 33% increase from the staff) or does it simply reduce the 33% increase (from the staff) to 8%?

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When I started using this I moved 8 mind levels into vigor and now have significantly higher of both by using this. Essential for pure faith.

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It’s useful for co-op and pvp when you only get half of your flasks. Combining this with the seed talisman will significantly lower your chances of running out of fp.

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So there's a bunch of people throwing complicated math around as to why this is or isn't worth it, but here's the gist of it: you're not just moving a bunch of vigor into mind, you're making your mind more EFFICIENT.

Think of it like a fuel tank for a car. If you make the fuel tank bigger you can go further on a single tank, but it's more expensive to refill it. If you make the engine more efficient instead you can go just as far as you would be able to go the bigger tank, but you have the added benefit of not needing as much fuel to refil the tank, because the car burns the fuel slower.

Going back to Elden ring, this means any effect that gives you FP back (Flasks, Ancestral Spirit's Horn, Assassins Cerulean Dagger, Sword of Milos, etc) will give you better value for money, because you don't have a bigger bar - you have more efficient spells. It's a pretty steep HP cost (I'm a spellsword and personally I avoid this talisman), but if you're confident in your dodging/blocking abilities or just making a super focussed caster build this is a good pick.

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This talisman is deffo for your primeval sorcerer build. Works best when paired with Lusat's staff

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people tryna do the math on this have not FELT the difference on a caster build while using it. The FP reduction goes WAY further than a few points in mind does, especially with the higher cost spells like everybody's favorite Comet Azur, but even just swinging Adula's Moonblade around feels way better with this on than the extra FP would. I left my Mind stat at 30 despite being a Mage and after trying 40 mind without the Talisman, i went back and dropped my mana again in favor of the talisman. I'm serious.

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Does not stack with The Cerulean Tear Scarab helmet

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Unobtainable for people who aren't scrubs and avoided the spirit calling bell.

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Dont use this.
At 60 vigor and 30 mind you lose 285 hp, which is basically 13 levels, and you effectively gain 40 fp, which is basically 12 levels, so a net -1 and
a wasted talisman slot.
You can make a case that it's worth using only if you have a ton of mind and little vigor(which you shouldn't), but save yourself some hp and use something else, if you really want more fp just use an heirloom or a soreseal and dump the leftover points into mind.

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Pointless talisman, it's basically a trade of points 5-6 Vigor for 5-6 Mind.
There's no point in having this, just respec and move those points around.
Only reason this is not useless is if Vigor was your dump stat... which I guess could work for a glass canon build, else wasted slot.

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Pair this with Baldachin's Blessing from Fia, and The Lazuli Glintstone Crown, and you've got yourself a real man's HP bar. Tell the game you know it can one shot you by breathing on you, and you don't care.

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Pair this with Ancenstral Spirit's Horn and wield the Sacrifical Axe for trash mobs/non-boss encounters. For casters, you can spam some spells stress free. You conserve so much FP.

Primal Glintstone blade will save you on average of 5FP for most spells.
Spirit horn + Axe = 7FP a kill (You also get FP for watching bloodstains as of this date)
Really great at the cost of putting more points into Vigor. Just gotta remember to swap out talismans for bosses.

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Litearlly can't obtain this item because I never obtained the Jellyfish Ash, and now the chick that gives it to me won't at the Roundable Table / Stormhill Shack.

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As a note, for players with high enough Max FP such that the Cerulean flask doesn't fully fill your gauge, the Cerulean Seed Talisman would provide an overall similar benefit without the reduction in your defenses, and is available much sooner than this talisman is. It would also effectively provide this benefit to tools and abilities as well.

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Just a reminder: Carian Filigreed Crest only decreases the cost of Weapon Skills, not spells. Primal Glintstone Blade only affects spells, but not skills. They do not stack, but they both work at the same time.

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this works for sorceries of course, and I am aware that it works for offensive incantations as well.... bbuuutt I feel like it doesn't work for healing incantations???? or maybe I'm just insane?

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The health decrease doesn't line up with the numbers on here. Currently at 1382hp and after equip it put me at 1368.

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If you go for the Vigor soft cap at 40, and I highly recommend any build does, you have 1450 HP. With this equipped, you have 15% less HP, or 1232 HP. Looking at the vigor chart, you’re effectively paying ~4.5 points in vigor and a talisman slot to reduce your spell costs (and effectively increasing your mana pool) by 25%. That is absolutely bonkers.

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Did the research and it stacks with CARIAN FILIGREED CREST. But then again, sword talisman gets your HP 100ish lower. Tuff choice ?

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Very interesting. The game shows the adjusted cost of fp automatically when you equip this talisman. Under the spell description it will adjust itself to the new fp cost, as opposed to you doing the math yourself.

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Ah, classic From Software.
I couldn’t tell where the voice was coming from, but it seems to be near the seal. No people were around, so they had to be behind it, right? I couldn’t find any way to open it, but the jellyfish (which are enemies in this game!) was sitting suspiciously nearby, and I couldn’t interact with it in any way. So I figured hey, maybe I’m supposed to kill it. And I did.
Now I’m permanently barred from getting the item.

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Does the Crimson medallion offset the health loss?

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how do you even summon jellyfish next to her you literally cant summon there

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After some testing, looks like this item gives you around 25% reduction in spell costs and takes about 15% of your max health.
HP: 800 => 680 (15%)
Spell costs:
Star Shower: 36 => 27 (25%)
Comet Azur: 40 => 30 (25%)
Carian Slicer 4 => 3 (25%)

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Did the math on this, appears to be a 25% reduction in spell cost rounded up, and a 15% cost to health. At 31 mind this gets me more spellcasts than the Cerulean Amber Medallion +2's FP increase.

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Only affects spells (sorceries), Incantations are not affwcted by this talisman.

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where is the stargaze ruins?

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stargazer ruins, mountain tops of the giant, summon spirit jellifish ashes to open the seal the treasure chest contain it

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Anyone know where this is?

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anyone know where to find this?

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where does one find this?

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Does anyone know where to find this?

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You can open the seal by summoning the Spirit Jellyfish Ashes in-front of the jellyfish NPC.

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I found out where this is by accident. It's in Stargazer Ruins behind a locked door. Here is a picture: https://imgur.com/gallery/yZlRoWm

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