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AMATERASU

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Since day 1 this is the heavyweight champ of faith builds. Will make any demi god or God kneel.

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started using this on Elden beast in coop and oh boy it's nice to hit it for 1.5k+ without proper seal, charging and with only 60 faith at 18 fp/cast.

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Now imagine a giant black flame same size as giantflame take thee and then make it so it doesn't fall by gravity.... Yeah, pray to be in DLC :)

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Now imagine a giant black flame same size as giantflame take thee and then make it so it doesn't fall by gravity.... Yeah, pray to be in DLC :)

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only faith boosts the damage or int aswell?

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Absolutely amazing in Seamless Co-op playthrough with 4+ people together. The DoT can carry hard in boss fights.

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Ah yes, the ol' reliable of the black flame spells. Decent in the worst situations, superb during the best. You'll never regret slotting this bad boy.

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You can this cheese bridge Agheel if you want to leave the limgrave with 200k free souls.

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So, what percentage based damage does this spell deal? Does it matter whether the spell's charged or uncharged? I Black Flame Tornado does at least 13.5% percentage based damage when fully charged.

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Dreams wreathed in black flame
Premonition , temptation
the Greater Will shuns

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Miranda's bane.

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I don't get why people like this spell so much. I have a pure faith build running and compared to Lightning Spear and Frenzied Burst this thing falls by the wayside. I guess the DOT would be great in a boss battle who has a ton of health but on strong enemies my lvl range its faster and more mana efficient to use other spells.

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Does godfrey icon improve the damage over time?

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Is the DoT on this spell improved with the Old Lords Talisman?

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I keep coming back to this incant on my faith builds.

Yes the projectile arc is slightly awkward and it is (mostly) a single target spell, but:
* Fire damage is generally effective in this game
* It's chargeable
* The percentile damage is great against bosses

This is a great choice when a boss is mobile (Godfrey) or hard to reach with weapons (ancient dragon, astel), just spam uncharged casts and watch the HP drop.

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This spell have range increased with Arrow's Reach Talisman

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I'm one shooting people as high as 1800 hp, yuppie, I love it. There's need to be dozens of attacks that can potentially reach one shooting range (1800hp) 'cause it makes pvp a lot more interesting, and fun. By the way, it's not fun when you need to hit someone an endless (healing potions, healing incantation, etc) amount of times before they are vanquished, especially in invasions. In invasions, you MUST BE ABLE TO ONE SHOOT ANYONE, otherwise you will most likely get 3v1...

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Free aiming this and treating it like a smaller Giant's flame take thee is the way to use it in pvp. The explosion that happens when this is fully charged is bigger than you'd expect to the point where you can reliably hit fully charged shots by aiming at the ground next to the person instead of at the person. Also like other status effects, the explosion can still apply the DoT even if the person rolls the initial damage. Sure that's only like 50-60 damage but that's free damage.

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would've been n i c e if FAITH HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH DEATH. can't even call an INT build DEATH... literally everything is 'bout Faith = /

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The fact that this spell can carry you for the entire game is a bit nuts for how simple it is. It regularly outpaces the damage of other fire spells for quite a while.

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Decent spell but sort of slow and several bosses will dodge it. if you use it, make sure to have an alternate spell to deal with bosses that like to dodge.

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'Deals fire damage on the initial impact, then applies a black flame effect to enemies that deals 2-5% of of their total health over 2 seconds.'

How to get the 5% health sap? Either I'm blind or charging doesn't improve damage over time.

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this along with the other black flame stuff is really good at chipping away at shield users in pvp

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absolute carry on SL1 runs. just go all blue flasks and spam uncharged fireballs at status-immune bosses

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Wish we get more godslayer incantations in the future, like a catch flame counterpart or whirl o flame

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Can someone update this page? There's an actual formula to the burning: "[MaxHP x 0,001] + 1" damage, done 10 times per second for 2 seconds. This same formula also applies to the other Black Flame spells, including Black Flame Blade.

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flame shrouding cracked tear does buff it! wow, so I guess everything fire and incantation related will buff it, that's a lot

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Works fairly well against the Godskin Noble, amusingly enough.

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flames of frenzy deals much more damage, can be obtained earllier and consumes less mana

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I've tested this against burning slugs, which take damage and die in ~20 hits despite being 100% fireproof (tested with regular flame incantations). However I'm pretty sure I've hit the fire giant over 50 times with it in the course of one fight without killing him. Either I get bad at math when I'm fighting or something weird is going on.

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SASUKEE!!!

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Black Flame.
Black Flame.
That means New Game Plus, bicthes.

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DO NOT give this to Corhyn. Give to Turtle Pope. Corhyn moves around and dies.

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Great incantation for low faith build. No large fp consumption and damage is pretty good.

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This thing melts anything it hits. Godskins had the right idea.

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**** I gave the boon Corhyn and now I can't get it, wish I found dog pope earlier

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Amaterasu

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Anyone else has this bug where if you don’t charge it up to the last tick it reverts back to a non charged fireball? I’m on Xbox one S

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2-5% What maximizes the HP drain?

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is this an obviously better choice for a memory slot than flame sling? and is it worth the extra 7 fp to cast 18 for this 11 for flame sling?

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Page says the DoT deals 2-5% max health over 2 seconds... what does this mean? The page for Black Flame Blade says the DoT deals 2% + 20 damage over 2 seconds, is this the same effect?

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So does the percent damage stack if you hit in Quick Succesion or does it just reset the duration?

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If I killed the turtle and am very end game can I still obtain the spell?

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If you debuff something with blade of death and black blade, does the dot do less damage?

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I find it hard to complain about this spell. You can buff it to Hell, you can roll catch, the damage is great, BUT, I miss the DS3 poise beast.

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Yeah it does 4k+ damage to erdtree avatars with the correct setup.

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I was walkin' through the city streets
And a man walks up to me and pulls out his sword
"Target lock, cast Black Flame"
Man, I'm at a slightly lower elevation

I threw it on the GROUND

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so if you reduce an enemy's max hp with say the black knife, does the DoT of black flame spells go down since it's based on a certain percentage of their hp at the time? or is it based on their true max hp regardless of the debuff?

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First apply gold vow from a knife or anything light. ( or the banner halbred if you have the weight) left hand is jelly fish shield( which comes next, the effect wears off instantly once it leaves your hand) activate the buff skill, flocks canvas, ritual sword, godfrey icon, all these stack. Last talisman can be more power w flock canvas, for me, I keep it either armor or hp.

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This spell melts bosses. Best paired with Lightning Spear for weaker enemies and this spell for enemies you can't two shot with spear. This is because Black Flame takes into account of percentage based damage on any enemy's health bar which means you will always do effective damage no matter how high their hp or defenses are. The downside to this spell is that it is slow and the projectile arcs which means it's difficult to use against fast or flying opponents. You can charge it for extra damage but even lodging one in a quick cast takes some time.

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Its probably very helpfull if your doing a no level up run, you can use godrick Rune or two finger heirloom talisman for +5 faith using Prophet 16 faith to end up 21 and use it, wich will alway do 5% of a boss health or high health ennemies, in general most of the blackflame type ritual are useful for it, black flame is just easy to get early.

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It has about the same dmg/fp cost ratio as flame sling but in the end if you do some testing flame sling will come on top, still good to burst faster than flame sling tho.

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After about 300 hours playing this game so far and using most weapons, ashes, spells and skills - this spell, rotten breath and swarm of flies never leave my spell bar. You have been warned, black flame may be addictive.

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Was the best black flame skill before the update and is still the best in Version 1.04. Nice range, hits hard and very low FP cost. SBF hits in a wider angle but it travels very short and it sprays the flame in a weird upward way and the flame will go over the head of enemies even if they are in range.

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Tell me what is better elden ring black flame vs lightning spear?

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Tested on Miriel, did 760 extra damage ontop of the initial 1,005. Probably a good incantation to carry into NG+ and beyond to punish bosses for their higher health pools.

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Much better after the needed buff. Now actually does more damage than lightning spear (lol). I have found use in PVP even because of the superior free aiming. Still mediocre in some cases, but as a pure incant user this has now replaced lightning spear entirely to me. Better in PVE and arguably in PVP since nobody is hit by lightning spear anymore. You have frenzy burst or beastial sling as superior options to spear in those niche cases.

It is also very much worth nothing this DOES do AOE damage, about as well as fully charged lightning spear but not requiring a chargeup. I'd say the range is very, very slightly worse on AOE but not by much.

Alltogether, black flame is now B tier as far as incantations go. Better than LS if you use Godslayer Seal.

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If they will buff casting speed for this even more, we could reliably cosplay Godskins, yeeting fireballs at any sight of healing...

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I still fail to see a reason to use this over flames of frenzy. More damage, less fp required, aoe and causes madness.

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This spell easily shortens the time an enemy will be frozen, allowing easy reapplication of frostbite.

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Lol they buffed it.

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Hahaha, and it gets a buff!

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you can charge it?
it does even more damage when you charge it!?

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Broken in PVE. Basically the go-to spell for destroying bosses. Due to the way it scales with max HP, it pretty much makes any other spell redundant (barring weaknesses or one-shot setups). For example the big fireball spell cast with a fully upgraded giant seal with 60 faith still does less damage than this, in most cases.

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Amaterasu

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Imagine shooting blue little rocks from a stick when you can channel literal god slaying black flames from your hand

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Must point out that charging the spell, also makes it travel further

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Been changed to 18FP cost.

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This incantation is basically the nightmare of so many bosses... If it's an animal or a corpse or made of wood, this thing will destroy that boss. The only bosses that resist this are the ones with a shield (obviously) and the knight type as their armors value against fire is high as well as, obviously, the dragons. I only learned that I could charge it way later in the game and this spell, even as uncharged, has the best Dmg/FP usage I could find in general. (There are stronger sorcery and incantation spells, but their FP usage is far higher too.) The only kinda-downside is the cast time which doesn't come close to most of the sorcery with the same type of spell output as those can be spam-cast and this one has to do the baseball arc throw every times.

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Could somebody check whether the DoT is affected by the Arcane scaling of the Dragon Communion Seal? Please let me know

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Might sound odd but I really wish the Godskin spells did Holy damage. None of these seem that useful on a fire build considering giant spells, and holy could use some more damage spells. Plus its kind of a cult/religion and would work well with black blade.

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Question: Does the Old Lord's Talisman increase the DoT duration?

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Does not, in fact, mean new game +

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Just Spamming this without charging deals good damage on almost all bosses and its quite easy to do while avoiding attacks. So just run and cast and run and cast.

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you can give the prayer book to Miriel (big pope turtle) in the Church of Vows as well

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Further, inspection shows Black Flame group spells don't seem to stack its sapping effect simultaneously. Only one active sapping effect will be active from black flame. However, Black Blade incantation, Maliketh's Black Blade, Black Knife all can stack active sapping effects the faster you apply.

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So I checked the effect data, and the actual number for the max health sap is in fact on par with the black blade incantation, which is 0.1% every 0.1 seconds for 2 seconds total. Identical to black blade's max health sap effects, but not Black Knife. I don't really want to spam this on every black flame abilities, but I checked Black Flame and Black Flame Ritual and they both do the same 2% max health it is likely all black flame sap for 2%.

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You can "free aim" it for more range (plus that's useful in several situations), but it might take some practice.

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THAT MEANS NEW GAME + *****ES

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THE LEGEND NEVER DIES

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THE LEGEND NEVER DIES

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The damage-over-time from Black Flame is static at 5% of max health over about 2 seconds. Tested on the fire slugs outside of Guest Hall in Volcano Manor with 40, 20, and 99 FTH: in each case it did exactly 21 damage (they're immune to normal fire damage but not the DoT). Also not affected by any talismans, incant scaling, or seal type. This makes it a good pick for builds where faith isn't your primary stat.

The normal fire damage increases with incant scaling, can be boosted by Fire Scorpion Talisman, etc.

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Ok, so, we have black flame (2 after ng+), we have the ability to make a flame enchanted Zweihander, and we have a rough equivalent to the Ring of favor. All we need is the functional fashion and legend will rise again!

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Damage of dot is not increased by faith. it is fixed value that only proportional to enemy's max hp

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Tested if Flame grants me strength affects this
Without FGMS: 791 initial damage
With FGMS: 949 initial damage

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That means ng+
B*TCH*S

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Is the dot duration increased by extending the cast or does it only effect the initial impact?

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Does anybody know if this is buffed by Flame Grant me Strength?

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Black Flame spells deal fire damage and apply a DoT after the fact that deals % max HP damage that scales up with your Faith stat.
Bloodflame spells deal fire damage and then apply a "burn" than causes Bleed buildup instead of damage.

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how is black flame and bloodflame different?? what do they actually do?

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Anyone know if the close up, black flame version of Combustion / O' Flame the Black Flame Acolytes use is available to the player? The largest downfall of Black Flame Incants imo is that they aren't super quick and hard to use against certain bosses due to low speed.

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All of the blackflame spells seem to deal percentage based damage. At 42 faith, I hit Fortissax for 1.3k damage with this. Before Foritssax, I hit one of the giant bees for 542. It seems the more hp an enemy has, the more damage it does.

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After some testing on "Banished Knight", It seems that "Black Flame" gains a "backstab bonus" meaning damage increases if you strike the backs of enemies. With 41 Faith and "Godslayer Seal +11", starting combat with a fully charged "Black Flame", did 434 (Initial + [DOT]) to the back of a full hp knight, The second "Black Flame" ball did 350 (Initial + [DOT]), to his front-side, leaving him on 1 hp. 434 + 351 = 785 HP. The incantation also interacts with "Flame, Grant me Strength", an incantation that boosts fire damage among other things. It's unclear weather the [DOT] counts as fire or physical damage, but I assume only the initial impact of "Black Flame" does fire damage, while the [DOT] does physical. With the buff, The first fireball did 517 (initial + [DOT]) to his back (front-side damage is 416), and the second fireball did 395, killing the knight instantly (NO [DOT]).

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Some people are questioning the viability of this spell compared to fire sling. The damage increase to fp cost increase isnt proportional, thats the trade off. In non-endurance boss fights, you wanna get as much damage out as possible in the short time windows you get. So having this way not be more cost efficient, but its more effective! And thats the big difference.

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It does fire damage. It simply applies a DOT as opposed to not doing so.

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this is a faith builds bread and butter against a lot of bosses that don't give you time to charge a spell, especially since you can get the seal that boosts it early and that one also has higher spell buff than the starter

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this is a faith builds bread and butter against a lot of bosses that don't give you time to charge a spell, especially since you can get the seal that boosts it early and that one also has higher spell buff than the starter

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The spell balance in this game kinda blows, this and lightning spear are some of the only incantions that are fast and strong enough to be worth using on bosses

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