Ash of War: Square Off | Elden Ring Wiki

god my knight playthrough REQUIRES this to be put on knights greatsword :(

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I can't stop poise breaking, I just love poise breaking so much.

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I won't forgive From for not allowing this on greatswords. Like seriously, 90% of people using SS just powerstance them and use L1, this AoW is wasted by only being available on one class

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the most op ash of war in the game. this single-handedly makes straight swords one of the best weapon classes

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Why on Earth can't this be put on greatswords? There was literally a moveset for it in DS3. All they had to do was copy-paste the "Stance" weapon art.

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just me or this sometimes doesnt do stance damage at all? like it takes five of these to stagger bell bearing hunters (except for the dragonbarrow one) bug?

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would be good but there are 0 (zero) good straightswords

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This skill eats enemy poise for breakfast! Easy go-to!!

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Why don’t the page include FP cost, it should be consistent on all applicable weapon?

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Outrageously powerful ash, even considering it can only be on straight swords. The heavies and lights reach break points in stance dmg and reliably break the stance of most bosses in just a couple hits. Low FP cost, good range on the heavy, super easy to get. A massively underrated ash.

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Why is the recovery so long, it's a straight sword not a family SUV damnit

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What I wouldn't give to have this on my Claymore again.

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Lets a straight sword hit as hard as a fully charged Colossal Sword R2 on demand, and even gives you a nice ducking lunge to go under attacks.

Most bosses cap out at around 110 stance (like Mohg), and this does 40 with the heavy attack. That means you can trivially stance break the boss with an already fast weapon without being stuck with an unwieldly hammer or sluggish colossal weapon.

it's truly insane just how broken this one skill is, the only thing holding it back is that it's so mundane to hit the other guy really really REALLY hard vs doing a spin or shooting fire that most people don't even realize how much they're missing out.

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I wish we could put this on katanas.

A similar move from the same stance can be done with a katana in real life,it's a shame that katanas of elden ring are just a bunch of "easy mode weapons" instead of historically accurate japanese swords. Yeah it's just a videogame but other weapons like longsword,scimitar and clymore are realistic unlike the uchigatana which is stronger than a literal god.

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does it work on katanas

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John Dark Soul’s ash of choice

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Straight sword chads....we won

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It's OK but a little too single-minded. At least from an invader's point of view it's a little slow and also unnecessary, but having one ready to surprise dookie on the like 3 people in existence still trying to greatshield cheese after the nerfs is probably a good idea.

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Isn’t this like the default AoW for all straight swords besides des the short sword and the non applicable types if so what’s the point of it?

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Looking at the motion values of the AoWs I see that this AoW Square Off R2 has a MV of 800.
Anything that comes close are skills like:
Lion's Claw: 600
Prayerful Strike: 600
Unsheathe (R2): 600.
We know Square Off R2 deals 40 poise damage (PvE).
And then I came across Glintstone Kris which has MV of 1000. Does that seriously deal 50 poise damage?

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An Aow for a more civilized age.

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I really wish you could put these on greatswords.

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Fellow straight sword Chads, I'm proud of our collective downplaying

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Use this ash of war if you're struggling with Margit early game. Getting 2-3 L2+R2 hits will stagger most bosses really quickly.

I had to stop using this ash of war so much since it's so good that most of the fights will just have bosses kneeling on the ground at least 4 times the duration of the fight.

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Even rapiers used to have a stance ability in dark souls...

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why can’t this be used on the claymore?

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versatile, cheap, effective... no bells just all balls. great ash

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Where is my grace of the fall? This should be stated on the trivia or something.

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The worst part about this not being available for Greatswords is it's literally changing 1 line of code to enable it, all the animations for it to work flawlessly are in the game already

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Overtuned asf. Could use a huge nerf. Can stagger most bosses in 2-3 uses and does 1000+ damage :/. Literal ez mode.

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this on flamberge and hodrick ptds come backs from ds3

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why no greatswords? i wanna make my knight's greatsword like the hollowslayer :(

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Kinda stupid that this can't be put on greatswords.

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Was this patched to stop it from being used on Greatswords? I know for an absolute fact that when the game came out, I could do it. I know because I put it on the Lordsworn greatsword to experiment and compare whether I wanted to use the greatsword or longsword. So, I used it some on both weapons. Obviously this means putting the ash on the greatsword was absolutely possible at that time. At least for me.

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It's a shame you can't combo this like in DS3. I loved doing a heavy to light and finish with a heavy 3 hit combo on bosses. Devastating damage.

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I really dont get the logic of why they limited certain ashes to certain weapons. This certainly should be useable on at least greatswords

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Imho should be available for greatswords

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wish this **** is useable with Claymore

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I started a new game as a Bandit, and I bought a Broadsword for my usual early-game killing of the Cleanrot Knight duo to get the Golden Scarab talisman, thinking that knives would not be a sufficient weapon for that fight at low-level. My plan, as usual, was to hit them over and over with two-handed jumping R2s to stagger them for ripostes. However, this weapon skill turned out to be much better for that; the thrust attack was more damage and faster stance breaks than jumping attacks, and was cheap enough that I could do it 9 times before running out of FP, enough to fully kill one of the knights. Not a bad skill.

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Based on motion value (MV) data pulled from the game, the R1 of the skill is 600 and the R2 is 800. What that translates to is that the R1 is 6x the poise damage of a regular straight sword R1 attack (5 poise damage on a regular light attack), while the R2 is 8x.

Translation: The ash of war R1 does 30, and the R2 does 40 poise damage.

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The heavy attack lunge benefits from spear talisman on counter hits!

Heavy broadsword +25 with 70 STR, two handed, I was able to hit 2400+ dmg on albinaurics using shard of Alexander and spear talisman. Absolutely mental

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The R2 can often dodge overhead attacks

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What's the difference between R1 upwards slash and R2 thrust? People are saying it breaks poise with 2 r2 thrusts but is there a point to the R1 then? I would be disappointed if the R2 is better than the R1 in every way, would be a waste of a cool move.

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A versatile, reliable, straightforward AoW; as was the case in DS3. This time, it is only relegated to straight swords, however. The L2-R2 noticeably has less hyperamor than its previous title counterpart, likely incentivizing the need for higher passive poise on your armor setups. I've been hit out the running thrust more often than I was back in DS3.

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Opinions re: Square Off vs. Flame of the Redmanes for breaking stance? Compared to Square Off R2, FotR deals the same poise damage, only costs 2 more FP, and is much easier to land. I think Square Off R2 comes out quicker but does that outweigh the advantages of FotR?

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disappointed i cant use this on a greatsword anymore.

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If I could put this on a the Great Epee, I would. Sooo good

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This and Unsheathe deserve to be usable on other weapon classes, considering some Greatswords got Stance in DS3, and on the other side Flails don't get their unique Spinning Chain as an ash, meaning they can't have an affinity and the default skill, which is the only purpose this ash and unsheathe serve

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you can apply lion's claw on ultra greatswords but can't apply this on greatswords? come on, capcom!

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This and Unsheathe deserve to be usable on other weapon classes, considering some Greatswords got Stance in DS3, and on the other side Flails don't get their unique Spinning Chain as an ash, meaning they can't have an affinity and the default skill, which is the only purpose this ash and unsheathe serve

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you can apply lion's claw on ultra greatswords but can't apply this on greatswords? come on, capcom!

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This skill is a boss sodomiser. On Broadsword it just fulls on poise staggers in 2-3 R2 strikes. What makes it even better is that, with certain bosses, if you time another R2 right after they've been staggered, you can loop the boss into a poise break situation. I was able to loop on fatty in that godawful Godskin Duo fight

Absolutely mental. Highly recommmended for newer players.

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S Tier Skill

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This is quite possibly the best Ash of War for straight swords. If it's not on your straight sword, you should be asking yourself why you aren't using it.

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if this was on piercing swords they would be so op

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Square Off R2 has such bonkers posture damage, it single-handedly carries the entire straight sword class in PvE, HARD. Longsword +0 fully breaks posture of Giant Dogs in Caelid with a single L2-R2, every single time.

I love it.

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So they renamed this and locked Greatswords out of it when they had it in DS3. Fug

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The straight sword’s answer to Unsheathe. The main difference in the light and heavy attacks do about the same poise damage. (Took 3 with Cold Noble’s Slender Sword +25). The light is an easy to land uppercut. The heavy hits a little harder and takes a little more time but it moves you forward a few steps and thrusts slightly upwards. Felt easier and faster to land light attacks out of the L2 stance specifically for breaking poise. Recommended it you need something for stance break but aren’t spec’d to use Flame of the Redmanes and want a break from katanas.

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Shame we can't have it on at least greatswords, some had it in DS3

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People are 100% sleeping on this Ash.

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Man oh man. I slept on this because I never got much use out of the Stance skill in DS3, but this is a beast of a skill in Elden Ring. Huge damage, hyperarmor during the charge, and hits like a truck. Worth considering on pretty much any build that's using a straight sword.

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Deals 40 posture per swing regardless of if it is the R1 or R2. will stagger most bosses in 3 hit, assuming they are landed quick enough to avoid posture meter decay. If the third hit does not stagger, meaning you didn't hit rapid enough, suggest a jump R2 to break the enemy.

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As people have been pointing out, the posture damage is VERY high when hitting with the heavy lunge. Grafted Scion? Land it twice, poise breaks, Land another as they get back up, land another, poise breaks, repeat until dead. Tree Sentinel? Large Giants? Catacomb Guardians? Stone Golems? Pumpkin Head? Yup, works on them all and much more! Literally can carry you through the early game 100%!

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Was trying to find a good skill to work my paladin build that can basically bully enemies, tried a bunch of spears, maces, flail and even a few heavy weapons.

Then I took some reddit advice and gave the Longsword a shot.

HOLY F***** S***!!

With my shield talisman, guard counter talisman and heal on crit talisman, I'm having a freakin ball.

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This skill has very higher posture attack than most people assume. The strong attack movement. sad we can't use it on other weapons except Straightswords

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It makes me so sad you can't at least put this on Curved Swords and Katanas. It would be perfect on the Nakibana to replicate Sephiroth's battle stance, I'm sure it would be great with the extra range too.

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The lunge attack (on Longsword) is so good. The amount of distance it covers is unreal. And just like in DS3, it gives quite a bit of hyperarmor, so you'll usually poise through most light attacks while sending your sword straight to where it needs to go.

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No more stance claymore :(

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one of the best ashes in Elden Ring

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Should've been usable on greatswords like the claymore, but unfortunately, it's not. So disappointed...

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Don't sleep on this skill. it absolutely wrecks enemies and breaks stances almost too easily - I re-rolled my confesser after about 10 hours to a 2 handing straight sword "samurai" and defeated margit on my first try with only 2 hours playtime

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Finally a good explanation. Stance without guardbreak would have been weak.

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