Ash of War: Square Off | Elden Ring Wiki

I really wish you could put these on greatswords.

Submit

Fellow straight sword Chads, I'm proud of our collective downplaying

Submit

Use this ash of war if you're struggling with Margit early game. Getting 2-3 L2+R2 hits will stagger most bosses really quickly.

I had to stop using this ash of war so much since it's so good that most of the fights will just have bosses kneeling on the ground at least 4 times the duration of the fight.

Submit

Even rapiers used to have a stance ability in dark souls...

Submit

why can’t this be used on the claymore?

Submit

versatile, cheap, effective... no bells just all balls. great ash

Submit

Where is my grace of the fall? This should be stated on the trivia or something.

Submit

The worst part about this not being available for Greatswords is it's literally changing 1 line of code to enable it, all the animations for it to work flawlessly are in the game already

Submit

Overtuned asf. Could use a huge nerf. Can stagger most bosses in 2-3 uses and does 1000+ damage :/. Literal ez mode.

Submit

this on flamberge and hodrick ptds come backs from ds3

Submit

why no greatswords? i wanna make my knight's greatsword like the hollowslayer :(

Submit

Kinda stupid that this can't be put on greatswords.

Submit

Was this patched to stop it from being used on Greatswords? I know for an absolute fact that when the game came out, I could do it. I know because I put it on the Lordsworn greatsword to experiment and compare whether I wanted to use the greatsword or longsword. So, I used it some on both weapons. Obviously this means putting the ash on the greatsword was absolutely possible at that time. At least for me.

Submit

It's a shame you can't combo this like in DS3. I loved doing a heavy to light and finish with a heavy 3 hit combo on bosses. Devastating damage.

Submit

I really dont get the logic of why they limited certain ashes to certain weapons. This certainly should be useable on at least greatswords

Submit

Imho should be available for greatswords

Submit

wish this **** is useable with Claymore

Submit

I started a new game as a Bandit, and I bought a Broadsword for my usual early-game killing of the Cleanrot Knight duo to get the Golden Scarab talisman, thinking that knives would not be a sufficient weapon for that fight at low-level. My plan, as usual, was to hit them over and over with two-handed jumping R2s to stagger them for ripostes. However, this weapon skill turned out to be much better for that; the thrust attack was more damage and faster stance breaks than jumping attacks, and was cheap enough that I could do it 9 times before running out of FP, enough to fully kill one of the knights. Not a bad skill.

Submit

Based on motion value (MV) data pulled from the game, the R1 of the skill is 600 and the R2 is 800. What that translates to is that the R1 is 6x the poise damage of a regular straight sword R1 attack (5 poise damage on a regular light attack), while the R2 is 8x.

Translation: The ash of war R1 does 30, and the R2 does 40 poise damage.

Submit

The heavy attack lunge benefits from spear talisman on counter hits!

Heavy broadsword +25 with 70 STR, two handed, I was able to hit 2400+ dmg on albinaurics using shard of Alexander and spear talisman. Absolutely mental

Submit

The R2 can often dodge overhead attacks

Submit

What's the difference between R1 upwards slash and R2 thrust? People are saying it breaks poise with 2 r2 thrusts but is there a point to the R1 then? I would be disappointed if the R2 is better than the R1 in every way, would be a waste of a cool move.

Submit

A versatile, reliable, straightforward AoW; as was the case in DS3. This time, it is only relegated to straight swords, however. The L2-R2 noticeably has less hyperamor than its previous title counterpart, likely incentivizing the need for higher passive poise on your armor setups. I've been hit out the running thrust more often than I was back in DS3.

Submit

Opinions re: Square Off vs. Flame of the Redmanes for breaking stance? Compared to Square Off R2, FotR deals the same poise damage, only costs 2 more FP, and is much easier to land. I think Square Off R2 comes out quicker but does that outweigh the advantages of FotR?

Submit

disappointed i cant use this on a greatsword anymore.

Submit

If I could put this on a the Great Epee, I would. Sooo good

Submit

This and Unsheathe deserve to be usable on other weapon classes, considering some Greatswords got Stance in DS3, and on the other side Flails don't get their unique Spinning Chain as an ash, meaning they can't have an affinity and the default skill, which is the only purpose this ash and unsheathe serve

Submit

you can apply lion's claw on ultra greatswords but can't apply this on greatswords? come on, capcom!

Submit

This and Unsheathe deserve to be usable on other weapon classes, considering some Greatswords got Stance in DS3, and on the other side Flails don't get their unique Spinning Chain as an ash, meaning they can't have an affinity and the default skill, which is the only purpose this ash and unsheathe serve

Submit

you can apply lion's claw on ultra greatswords but can't apply this on greatswords? come on, capcom!

Submit

This skill is a boss sodomiser. On Broadsword it just fulls on poise staggers in 2-3 R2 strikes. What makes it even better is that, with certain bosses, if you time another R2 right after they've been staggered, you can loop the boss into a poise break situation. I was able to loop on fatty in that godawful Godskin Duo fight

Absolutely mental. Highly recommmended for newer players.

Submit

S Tier Skill

Submit

This is quite possibly the best Ash of War for straight swords. If it's not on your straight sword, you should be asking yourself why you aren't using it.

Submit

if this was on piercing swords they would be so op

Submit

Square Off R2 has such bonkers posture damage, it single-handedly carries the entire straight sword class in PvE, HARD. Longsword +0 fully breaks posture of Giant Dogs in Caelid with a single L2-R2, every single time.

I love it.

Submit

So they renamed this and locked Greatswords out of it when they had it in DS3. Fug

Submit

The straight sword’s answer to Unsheathe. The main difference in the light and heavy attacks do about the same poise damage. (Took 3 with Cold Noble’s Slender Sword +25). The light is an easy to land uppercut. The heavy hits a little harder and takes a little more time but it moves you forward a few steps and thrusts slightly upwards. Felt easier and faster to land light attacks out of the L2 stance specifically for breaking poise. Recommended it you need something for stance break but aren’t spec’d to use Flame of the Redmanes and want a break from katanas.

Submit

Shame we can't have it on at least greatswords, some had it in DS3

Submit

People are 100% sleeping on this Ash.

Submit

Man oh man. I slept on this because I never got much use out of the Stance skill in DS3, but this is a beast of a skill in Elden Ring. Huge damage, hyperarmor during the charge, and hits like a truck. Worth considering on pretty much any build that's using a straight sword.

Submit

Deals 40 posture per swing regardless of if it is the R1 or R2. will stagger most bosses in 3 hit, assuming they are landed quick enough to avoid posture meter decay. If the third hit does not stagger, meaning you didn't hit rapid enough, suggest a jump R2 to break the enemy.

Submit

As people have been pointing out, the posture damage is VERY high when hitting with the heavy lunge. Grafted Scion? Land it twice, poise breaks, Land another as they get back up, land another, poise breaks, repeat until dead. Tree Sentinel? Large Giants? Catacomb Guardians? Stone Golems? Pumpkin Head? Yup, works on them all and much more! Literally can carry you through the early game 100%!

Submit

Was trying to find a good skill to work my paladin build that can basically bully enemies, tried a bunch of spears, maces, flail and even a few heavy weapons.

Then I took some reddit advice and gave the Longsword a shot.

HOLY F***** S***!!

With my shield talisman, guard counter talisman and heal on crit talisman, I'm having a freakin ball.

Submit

This skill has very higher posture attack than most people assume. The strong attack movement. sad we can't use it on other weapons except Straightswords

Submit

It makes me so sad you can't at least put this on Curved Swords and Katanas. It would be perfect on the Nakibana to replicate Sephiroth's battle stance, I'm sure it would be great with the extra range too.

Submit

The lunge attack (on Longsword) is so good. The amount of distance it covers is unreal. And just like in DS3, it gives quite a bit of hyperarmor, so you'll usually poise through most light attacks while sending your sword straight to where it needs to go.

Submit

No more stance claymore :(

Submit

one of the best ashes in Elden Ring

Submit

Should've been usable on greatswords like the claymore, but unfortunately, it's not. So disappointed...

Submit

Don't sleep on this skill. it absolutely wrecks enemies and breaks stances almost too easily - I re-rolled my confesser after about 10 hours to a 2 handing straight sword "samurai" and defeated margit on my first try with only 2 hours playtime

Submit

Finally a good explanation. Stance without guardbreak would have been weak.

Submit