Flame of the Redmanes | Elden Ring Wiki

Tried with Iron Cleaver(Heavy affinity) on Invasion, close the gap with Iron Cleaver's fully charged R2, if it hit and make opponent panic roll away the ash will caught them on roll(assuming they don't roll twice), can work somehow as get off me button, since used with Heavy Iron Cleaver that has S scaling on strength, the damage is respectable.

-a bad red man

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lol none of these clowns in the comments has tried this on a high faith build with flame art

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Once everything is perfectly balanced then everything will suck just the same and nothing will be fun anymore.
99% of games I played tldid this.

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I'm gonna try to see if I can make this useful again

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Bring back the big stance damage and slow down the recovery time. Make it so you can't spam it twenty times in as many seconds, and it'll be just fine. I wish they'd have attempted to find a happy medium instead of nerfing it once and calling it a day.

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I didn't even play the game before the stance damage of this thing got nerfed but I still found that it was quite useful as a fast ranged crowd control option.

If they just made the hitbox a little more consistent I would say it'd be in a perfectly good spot, because a lot of the time if I'm locked on to an enemy it just whiffs and doesn't travel nearly as far, I assume that's from it hitting the ground or sth

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This thing is still really good and people complaining about the poise dmg somehow completly ingnore the insane dmg this does

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This carried my RL1 run before it was nerfed to the ground

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This sucks now. It's like flame strike but more fp expensive and without a fire damage weapon buff in exchange for more range. Should have reduced cost or 20-25 stance damage instead of 10 to make it stand out.

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Goddam this thing used to drop bosses to their knees in 2-3 hits. Good times.

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IF you your build is Strength focused, then THIS Ash is great for minion level crowd control.

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Underrated AoW. Doesn't stagger like before but the damage is still respectable and some enemies will do the 'owwy I got burnt' animation which is like a mini stagger that allows a free hit in. Strength build with a fire infused weapon with this AoW is pretty good.

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Anyone else click the video links and get some nerd just slapping regular scarabs in haligtree?

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14 of these in a row wasn't even enough to stance break Godrick for me.

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This used to be good, a little too good. Now after that nerf it's one of the worst skills in the game. RIP

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I really don't understand some of these skills. I see all the vids, etc and this seems to work great and have a reasonable distance. Whenever I use it I have to wait (most of the time) until the things I'm targeting are practically in my face for this to hit them. Makes no sense.

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Good source of pure fire damage on strength builds. Comes out much slower than either of the moonveil beams but it'll do around 80% of the damage to most things.

Dex has beast's roar
Int has moonveil
Fth has the halo scythe
And str has flame of the redmanes.

Suppose it wouldn't be too far fetched that reduvia is the arcane equipment.

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Was definitely a bit too strong pre-patch but is now a bit too weak to be considered. 30 stance damage for 14 FP was a lot. I feel like a reduction down to 20 would have been more appropriate, since the actual HP damage isn't that high unless you build specifically for a FotR build (which is not really how the game is meant to be played) and the windup is a bit sluggish. Besides, if you've ever put yourself through the pain of farming that one Redmane outside of Redmane Castle (the knight on horseback) you know how powerful the skill is supposed to be.

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I just found out about this thing. Stop nerfing things. This is so irritating. I was going to use this but now there's no point.

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Should probably have 15-20 stance damage. It's got a very long range and wide aoe, but it still needs a bit of a buff to be a viable stance damage aow, which is what it was designed for. Now its just a much higher cost flaming strike without the weapon buff but it gets longer range.

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This wrecks the elden beast

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If you put this on a Flame Art weapon, does the skill's fire damage scale with Faith?

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Ember of the Redmanes

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The video links here are all for the Haligtree.

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RIP FS’s built-in cheat for this game.

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RIP FS’s built-in cheat for this game.

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30 Stance damage would have been perfectly fine, putting it on par with other Ashes of War like Unsheathe or Lion's Claw. 10 is just too low, it's stupid.

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Any ash of war that does a certain amount of stance break, like 30 for example, should be on par with other weapon arts. FOTR was designed to do big stance break, it should have stayed that way. It should have just been made to compete with other weapon arts designed for stance breaking.

Lion's Claw: 30. Unsheathe: 30. Square Off: Freaking 40. 30 is the ballpark that FOTR should have been in, not 10.

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It was way too effective thats why I personally did not used it (was very boring)

But its fair to say this nerf went way too far if its only can break a stance of a snow troll by casting it 8 times in a row

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Damage and speed increases would be nice for pve and pvp.

It's bad to mediocre without stagger locking. Some compensation buffs wouldn't break the game.

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Huge, wide cone of damage, hits at mid-range, moves slowly so you can follow up with a melee attack, melts enemies and bosses weak to fire (like Erdtree Avatars and Cleanrot Knights,) and gets pretty excellent damage when investing in strength. Before it was abused; now it's used. There's still plenty of things to abuse in Elden Ring if you're knowledgeable enough, of course. It's just that this one has been put more in line with what the devs intended it to do. (I'm still kinda bummed though.) Try a dex or int-focused Ice Spear build for a spiritual successor.

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It baffles my mind how people can be so whiny about PvP that they would get useful things for single player wiped out. PvP is a small aspect of this game...stop ruining things for people playing the other 99% of the game

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1.08 = No we actually don't want you to enjoy our game: The Patch

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Nerfed to the ground, RIP

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I totally agree that this had way too much poise damage pre-nerf, but now it's more or less useless. The damage isn't that great, so all it really does well now is deal with dogs and finger creepers, which aren't that much of an issue anyway. Such a shame, this was a really cool skill. Overtuned, but undeniably cool.

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This is still an awesome AOW; aesthetically fantastic, decent damage, okay against crowds. Look, yeah, before the nerf the poise damage was amazing, and probably way overtuned. Was the nerf too much? Probably, but eh, still a fun ability for any fire-themed builds.

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There are nuclear test sites less toxic than this discussions page, jesus. This ash wasn't even that good in PVP, why does anybody care how good it was in singleplayer. Just don't use it if you don't like it.

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This still does a lot of damage. It just won't completely trivialize the entire game to the point where you might as well go play Tetris anymore.

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about half of my RL1 run was completely invalidated lol

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man people might have to actually fight bosses now wtf

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look at how they massacred my boy

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Poise damage still at10? Why? 0 is fine. Btw damage can also be 0, nobody gonna use it anyway.

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regarding strength scaling

Using uchigatana with a str/dex build-> if I am leveling up dex, will flame of redmane's still increase because the uchi scales w/dex? or will it only increase w/str?

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guarantee you these are the same people who say int makes the game too easy

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Was quite effective against flying enemies before 1.08, now I would say don't bother unless you can one-shot. It doesn't poise break so it doesn't knock them down. Usually one is all you can get out before bird talons are within kissing distance

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I never used it before the nerf, but the damage is still great. One of my favorites!

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Don't worry guys! In the same patch they buffed the poise damage of Moonveil. What a joke

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Reduced? Poise damage has been eliminated. Looking for another suggestion for light weight poise damage skill. Spectral Lance?

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Something is good->nerf it by 75%->Something is bad and unused->Stop updating the game
good job fromsoftware

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Another thing lobotomized because Miyazaki doesn't like seeing people easily beat his games, so rather than give it a slight nerf, he flat out kills it. RIP to Flame of redmanes, the ds3 sunslight swagsword knows your pain.

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I'm on my 5th playthrough and looks like it's time to finally learn Maliketh's moveset

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My absolute favorite aow and now it's unusable garbage. Way over nerfed.

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I'm on my first playthrough and chose to play Katana and Misericorde. Suddenly I can't stagger and crit bosses anymore. That sucks.

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it carried me from maliketh to elden beast, i saw it flourish, i saw it die

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Miyazaki: NOOOO ITS MAKING THE GAME TOO EASY PEOPLE MIGHT SEE I AM NOT A GOD!! NERFFFF

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Love how the comments went from “this is such a cheese aow” to “you’d be better off with lions claw”

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I feel like they should have nerfed it only to 25 Stance damage. With the Stonebarb Cracked Tear the Stance damage would be 32.5 (can someone confirm if the tear affects FOTR).

Most bosses have around 80-120 Stance health, so with 25 stance damage FOTR could have poise broke most bosses with 5 uses without tear tear, 4 uses with the tear.

I get that 40 Stance damage might have seem a bit high for an ash of war that could come out really quickly, but 10 Stance damage, it's just too low man.

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Flame of the Redmanes' poise damage was nerfed way too hard. It should have just been lowered to 30, not lowered BY 30. Please From Software, give Flame of the Redmanes 20 stagger points back.

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Completely useless now.

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RIP

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what is the point to nerf a pure PVE AOW? balance? wtf

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Did they really have to nerf it that hard? I'd get if they halved of from 40 to 20 poise damage but to 10? Way to nerf it into the ground, not that they needed to nerf it in the first place. Couldn't they have just nerfed its effectiveness in PvP and not ruin it in the PvE?

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Malenia was first try with this AoW in my first playthrough. They nerfed it, but I still first try Malenia on my NG+ with Lion's Claw + Ultra Big Hammer. So everything is gucci my friends.

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So, how is this for damage on a proper strength build?

I like the animation and theme, but always ended up avoiding it due to how funky all that posture breaking was

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beautiful, finally usable

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poise damage reduced more like removed

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Rip

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People complaining this was overpowered clearly forgot how busted doing 20k damage with Night and Flame was. Fun detected: fun removed.

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Giga nerfed in 1.08, deals 12 posture damage now

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Flame of the Redmans is giga nerfed in 1.08, went from dealing 40 poise damage to 12

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I will admit that this was way too strong, but the nerf might have gone too far.

Going from 40 to 10 stance damage will quadruple the hits to stagger, meaning this is likely inferior to Flaming Strike from a damage perspective. It will barely stagger anymore, so most of its damage will come from the WA itself, which Flaming Strike does better via buffing.

For those looking for alternatives to this for a stagger build, the Glintblade Phalanx AoW still does 40 stagger damage, if slower and less spammable, and Square Off deals 40 stagger on its Heavy input. There are still options, just not as simple as rushing Caelid for the AoW.

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nerfed to nothing

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How much stance damage DID it do before it got nerfed in 1.08?

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Wow, From really nerfed this. They massacred my boy in 1.08!

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Rip this now i kill them faster than i break the stance

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They nerfed this thing today. Guess people are going to have to actually play the game now and not cheese every boss lmao.

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nerfed

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Patch 1.08, it deals 10 damage to stance now

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Me and my boy +10 mimic tear destroyed maleketh, and 1st tried gideon, godfey and radagon/ elden beast with a +25 fire uchigatana with fotrm.

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(note: this NEVER scales with faith, only strength).
This ash of war is OP for critical hit builds. It has the highest stance damage per second of any ability. Not only is it fast, it's cheap. At only 14 FP, it's the only FP-costing move that costs less to stance break most enemies than you get from critting with the assassin's cerulean dagger talisman (restores 15 per damagign part of crit animation, so you can do it indefinitely. Everything else costs >15. Glintblade phalanx is 18 (combos well with this tho). Everything else is way slower and more costly.

Its a shame, because this overshadows a lot of potential crit builds with little effort. Stone of gurranq, aspect of the crucible: tail, heavy finisher, and trolls roar are decent alternatives if you don't want to use this meta junk or spam jumping heavies, but it won't be a very clean build.

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Who said elden ring didn't have an easy mode?

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Does the poise damage scale with weapon upgrade? I used this now on Istvan (a humanoid NPC) with a +0 caestus, I hit him four times in quick succession and no stagger.

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I really hope this doesn't get nerfed because it's super fun, really usefull for RL1 runs.

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Play with this before it becomes useless

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this aow saved my blood pressure numerous times... use it before it gets nerfed!!

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If 'Gaming Journalist' was a difficulty

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Strange that this didn't get nerfed at all with 1.07.

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Genuinely felt bad after using this on Maliketh
It was so god damn easy lmao

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Definitely needs a nerf for PvE. unlike other overtuned strats like comet azur/ metorite of astel + infinite fp (which can only be done once before resting) or lion's claw/ giant hunt on gugs or other colossals (which require a dedicated strength build), or bleed builds (also requiring a dedicated build), this thing is universally useful, can be applied to any build, can inflict bloodloss via bloodflame blade, and combined with misrecorde, makes it so that you basically don't even have to engage with any of the core mechanics of the game (i-frame dodges, positioning, guard counters, etc.), since you can just stun lock bosses to death.

Increase the damage scaling with the weapon's AR (25% or so), make the stagger damage be like half or a fourth of what it is currently. It retains use as a decent stagger and crowd control option for mobs on builds that aren't speced into the spell caster stats, or don't use heavy weapons, and gives them elemental damage in addition.

The stance damage on this doesn't make any sense, a small cloud of flame shouldn't be doing more stance damage than artorias-flipping with a hunk of steel the size of a bike.

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Hoo boy is this thing massively overtuned. Breaks Elden Beast's poise in four hits, and less against most other bosses in the game. Allows for 3-5 ripostes you would never have gotten otherwise. On top of that, it does decent straight up damage, comes out fast and costs little FP. There are basically no drawbacks to this.

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This is ass in PVP, which is the only place nerfs should be put in place. Taking away people's ability to smash bosses with intended game mechanics is petty.

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This move looks a lot like Kyo Kusanagi's Orochinagi.

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I don’t understand why some people say this needs a nerf. It isn’t even good in pvp.

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no requirements, any weapon, obtainable immediately. found this on a second playthrough and just stunned at the strength of this thing. pair with misercorde for the closest thing to an easy mode

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"It seems to scale only with the weapon AR."

I dont think so: for me it seems to scale with the strength scaling of the weapon, at least strongly modified by it, because (60 str / 60 fth build) I got more dmg out of it with a heavy affinity, than with a flame affinity. Tried several weapons.

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This really needs to be nerfed it's way too good

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I'm not ashamed at all to use this against fights like the Crucible duo,

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Way 2 strong needs to be nerfed remove poise damage immediately

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Get ready for your nerfs boys and girls

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why does this guard break bosses in 2 hits

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