Black Flame Tornado | Elden Ring Wiki

This is one of my favorite skills, but it should be nerfed. No reason a skill can melt bosses even at level 1, or melt ur hp bar when u get caught in it

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Just a quick heads up, black flame dot is weakened for the dlc, so don't expect to melt anything with it alone.

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Black Flame Tornado + Banished Knight Halberd

Can you name a more iconic duo?

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AKA one of the biggest reasons this game is beatable at RL1 on NG+7, no weapon upgrades. Their health may scale up, but percentage damage go brrrrrrrr.

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I think it's already well-known, but this thing trivializes the elden beast bossfight. This is not a hyperbole.

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No AoW should be able to kill you from full 1900hp to 0hp because you happen to not have enough roll distance to roll to the moon

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I think this and the queen's black flame are the most epic weapon skills in the game. They really put that "end of the road for you" feeling. Black flame just has that sense of finality

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The last part of the ash of war(flame part) does 100+ damage than keen when infused in flame art, tested on a keen/flame godskin peeler +25

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Enraged Divine Beast talisman? it is a tornado afterall

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This on black steel twinblade, the style is immaculate

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The axe talisman works on black flame tornado?

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I beat Malenia with this skill. It was very easy.

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It says it does purely fire dmg but fire damage buffs don't increase the dmg unless is infused fire or flame art. What kind of dmg is it doing when it's standard heavy keen or quality?

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This desperately need a nerf.

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This is the definition of overpowered; in both co-op and player v player. All enemies will be melted away.

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The key to winning invasions in my experience is getting windows to attack all three opponents at once and making the most of those windows. Some useful invasion-winners include Flaming Strike, Giantsflame Take Thee, Greyoll's Roar, and the king of win-the-invasion buttons, Black Flame Tornado. People will just run up on you when they outnumber you, and all it takes is one of those poor decisions to win. Gankers rarely survive the first volley and even when they do they're not smart enough to respect it a second or third time.

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so this works with godskin swaddling cloth?

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This is the strongest attack ingame for 3 people in PvE coop. It does high stance damage so you can lock bosses while spam spinning as 3 people. Upgrading your weapon doesnt really matter too. 90% of the damage is the %max hp.

We killed every boss we used this on in 3-4 spins per player including malenia (2 health bar bosses need more spins of course)

Oh and if you're complaining about how slow it is just cast endure on a dagger and swap back right before using it. If you all get the first spin off, it's pretty much done.

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This skill makes me sleepy. Also if you don't charge it all the way you can roll out of it, and sometimes when you don't charge at all the Blackflame doesn't do damage over time. Very weird.

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So, does Black Flame Tornado do more damage depending on which affinity is used? Like if I were to put it on say a Nightrider Glaive with a Strength scaling, would that provide the skill with less damage output than with the Flame Art Affinity?

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Out of all the weapons this can be applied to, which one has the highest single-hit stance damage? I’m planning a challenge build around using Assassins Cerulean Dagger to recover FP and using this to damage bosses, so I want to know the best weapon that can stancebreak and use this skill.

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I know now why it rips buffs off your weapon and stacks % damage unlike other Blackflame stuff. You see, this skill actually applies a buff to the blade, akin to Blackflame blade, but only for the duration of the skill (not that regular Blackflame blade is much longer). The skill has a tornado hitbox that debuffs and deals damage, but when the "buffed" weapon spins it counts as hits too, upping the % blackflame effect. Pretty neat and effective compared to other blackflame stuff

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I know now why it rips buffs off your weapon and stacks % damage unlike other Blackflame stuff. You see, this skill actually applies a buff to the blade, akin to Blackflame blade, but only for the duration of the skill (not that regular Blackflame blade is much longer). The skill has a tornado hitbox that debuffs and deals damage, but when the "buffed" weapon spins it counts as hits too, upping the % blackflame effect. Pretty neat and effective compared to other blackflame stuff

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I also want a regular flame tornado.
For fashion

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Super effective vs the black knight kindred that is arguably busted. Easy 1.4k damage with 7 faith ..

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Seems to reflect throwing pots

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Did some testing and it doesnt seem to apply the DOT effect unless you hit with the final hit, which can be hard as this skill gives you no extra poise and is pretty slow, especially if you are trying to use the fully charged version.

Very effective against big and slow bosses however.

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This is busted op in pvp now. I use it and they die. 80 faith, flame art pikes, bull goat set with haligtree Knight helmet and the bull goat talisman for mote poise.

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Dealt 5k with this charged on placidusax on a grave scythe with 65 base faith. Absolutely insane! One of the few bosses that give you enough time to execute it and looks sick AF doing it

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Quirk I found.
Multihit procs (Godskin swaddle, winged sword, prosthesis, etc.) work *if* you're out of fp. The no-fp version of the skill also doesn't strip your weapon buff, and still deals ok stagger.
It's a far lesser version of the skill, but doesn't wreck synergies.

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Anyone worried about the wind-up ought to be running Black Flame Ritual

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I have now done A Gloam-eyed queen Cosplay run and had this on the godskin peeler.

Yeah this thing Is Stupid OP , The HP drain late game is devstating Hell this can even stunlock MALENIA and do Half her health bar , S tier Ash of war

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Ah yes, the Black Flame Tomato ._.

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For anyone who may be curious as to how much damage it can do, I was looking at Bushy's No Stat Run video (timestamps: 54:28 and 56:36) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pr6aKOLdSfo. I chose that because he used the Black Flame tornado on Elden Beast and had no Faith/Fire increasing boosts from Talismans, Armor, Physick Tears, etc. The only boost to faith he got was from Godrick's Great Rune, so he only would have had 5 points in Faith at most. He was also using an unupgraded Spear with the cold infusion. Because of these factors, I considered this situation a worst case scenario.

Even with all of these factors in mind, with a fully charged attack with the ash of war, 2,982 points of damage was dealt against the Elden Beast in a first playthrough with a health pool of 22,127. 2982/22127 = 0.13477674786459981, meaning it did around 13.5% of the Elden Beast's health in damage. So, that's pretty good. Imagine what you could do with a high-level Faith build, alongside buffs like Golden Vow, Flame, Grant me Strength, Physick with Flame Shrouding Cracked Tear, and a good weapon like the Nightrider's Glaive fully upgraded with the Flame Art Affinity. I imagine that you could do even more damage.

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This works with the godfrey icon even though it seems like it’s only 11% instead of 15%

Test it yourself on something you can’t one shot with it.

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This is a pretty overrated aow. The charged version takes like 4 seconds to cast and it has no hyperarmor. Only does like 2k damage, which a few aow equal; Giant Hunt, Sword Dance and Stormcaller (which is basically a better version of this.

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Has any one done any damage calcs as to how much of a percentage this weapon art done? I know that since it's black flame it does percentage based damage, but how much are we talking about? 2.5%? 5%? And how much is it when charged vs uncharged?

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Pick Prophet. Put on starting spear. Profit.

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Does BFT grant hyper-armor while using ?

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My beloved, black flame truly best flame

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Melts Melania, Black Knife Alecto, Dragonlord Placidusax, etc. Easily among the very best skills in the game, it's the fastest way I know of to melt Melania's healthbar in under a minute without having some OP build or having mastered buffs and menu swapping. The attack stunlocks her and the ending slam knocks her flying into the air. She will often cancel animation through the ending slam into one of her many one hit kill attacks, thereby ending the fight, but with good enough rng you can chain a few of these together and melt her first phase in seconds. Works on second phase two, but you need a lot of luck getting that kind rng in back to back phases.

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fire scorpion charm, shard of alexander, red feather talisman, fire shrouding tear, flame grant me strength, golden vow
:troll:

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> The fire damage always scales with Faith, regardless of set affinity.
that implies that regardless of affinity it would do the same damage provided the same faith level.
this needs to be tested, i'll try and reply to this once i've done it. as that almost implies you can use full dex but have 80 faith as well, gaining full damage scaling from dex and from faith despite your weapon not having faith scaling.

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absolutley destroys placidusax **** that guy

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I'm surprised how little I hear about this. Especially against larger bosses, this just very well might be the most powerful ash of war in the entire game. Though that's probably because of it being near the very end of the game, but this thing shreds Placidusax and Elden Beast.

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It can be difficult to pull off against faster bosses but if you can it hits like a truck. I just beat Astel in like, 5-6 uses. And my faith is only level 30 (At least, I think it scales with faith).

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Can you duplicate this AOW from the Peeler?

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friendly reminder to not immediately buffer 50 rolls once you get hit by the first swirl, you're just going to get rollcaught by the slam and die

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I love this ash so much. It's damage is already decent even without the blackflame DoT. but if you stack it with flame grant me strength and the flame shrouding cracked tear, it's damage is just stupid at that point.

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"This Skill is Chargeable, but does not get a damage increase by the Godfrey Icon, charging also does not increase FP cost.
This skill deals multiple hits in a row but does not add stacks towards the effects of the Winged Sword Insignia, Rotten Winged Sword Insignia, Millicent's Prosthesis, or Thorny Cracked Tear."

Sucks all the fun out of building around this art... None of this is explained in game, very counter-intuitive, and frankly a very feelsbad way of balancing - respecced into a godslayer build only to find it doesn't work the way one would expect. Idk why they don't just nerf the art if it's too strong for building around, and hiding the non-interaction is never gonna feel good for anyone

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I'm getting Friede PTSD.

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It has a set minimum stamina cost for which you can use it in full, but the charging animation will drain stamina on every individual spin, so it's pretty likely to drain all of your stamina, meaning you won't be able to use it again in quick succession.

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Well, they DID say the black flame could slay gods...
Well, good news ladies, gentlemen, and non-binary finery, you sick of the Elden Beast? Do I have the weapon art for YOU!

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This is the best thing for new game +7 since the percentage based damage can destroy bosses' huge hp bars.

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does anyone know if this is classified as "fire damage"? wanna know if Fire Scorpion Charm works with this.

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One detail that the game doesn't tell you is that each tick of this skill applies the Blackflame DOT. And, it can stack with itself. So if you're fighting a boss and they are left open for a long time.. using this will melt a chunk of their healtbar.
Very strong agaisnt larger and slower bosses wth massive amounts of HP.

Also, whether you charge this skill or not, it always consumes the same amount of FP - so it's more FP efficient to fully charge this skill (although you might not always get the chance to do so).

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Only with this skill I could finish my no heal run against Elden Beast. Well, with it and with a lot of luck, I guess.

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It's actually amazing how utterly broken the damage is after the buff. It's literally an order of magnitude more damage than most other options. Black Flame Ritual is a joke in comparison.

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I just randomly threw this on in pvp and it seems like once you're caught in it you take the full combo. Not sure how it interacts with different poise, but so far once they get caught in it it does nearly 1.5-2k dmg. 75 fth, cross-naginata flame art ash. I'm guessing this skill is bugged because it seems inescapable.

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Im leaving this as a general suggestion to any elden ring dev who may read this.

Ashes of War are super cool, some of them are even super powerful but some scale off stats a weapon dosnt have yet you can still put it on that weapon, so I thought of a compromise: instead of making an ash of war scale off of its own internal stats and typing, just have them scale off of the strongest form of scaling on the weapon it can be applied to and if it would be absurdly overpowered than just dont allow it to be applied to that weapon. This way, non faith builds can still get use out of faith scaling ashes of war and in other cases any type of build user can enjoy more kinds of ashes of war instead of needing to conform to a specific playstyle just to get decent use out of it.

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After the latest update this weapons Ash of war got buffed. It now applies the Blackflame DOT on a target and hits everytime the weapon makes physical contact. Though since the Faith scaling on this weapon is only at C you won't get the best damage out of the Ash of War. Try finding a weapon that can scale at B or A and pump up your Faith to 99 since the Ash of War has a damage multiplier based upon your Faith stat meaning the soft caps do not affect it's scaled damage and at 99 Faith with a B or A scaling weapon the Ash of War will absolutely melt everything including end game bosses and is viable in PvP.

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Seems this scales with faith even if it's not set to flame art. I tested on the stormveil troll with an un-upgraded Godskin Peeler without any infusions or ash of war equipped(just using the default skill on it). In both tests I had 31 dexterity. The first test with 25 faith did 729 damage, and the second with 30 faith did 735 damage.

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By the time this Ash finishes I could have gone out for cigarettes and came back. The stagger potential is also non existent. I can stagger a Revenant with Eleonora's AND jump back but the baton spinning does absolutely nothing and there's no hyper armor that will protect you until you do the final big hit

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genuine question, if im hoping to get higher dps out of this would it be better to spec into dex and have it on keen or to spec into dex and faith and have it on flame art? has anyone tested it? im assuming flame art with higher faith would buff the ash more but im not sure how drastic the change in dmg would be, or if its more worth to just go into dex instead.

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Does black flame tornado damage scale in damage when you upgrade godskin peeler?

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this is so satisfying to land on 3 people or 2

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The talismans that “Increase damage with consecutive hits” don’t work with this sadly, just tested it.

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Currently, just after patch 1.04, the effect of Black Flame over the blade remains for a split second if you roll cancel it. However, this does not actually count as Black Flame nor does it add damage or a DOT.
This is with the Godskin Peeler at least, I don't have the Ash of War so I can't test it on other weapons but I don't know why it would be different.

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Your weapon Now has a hitbox while swinging and is roll cancellable before the final slam

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Despite the wiki stating this skill is "chargeable" the damage isn't boosted by Godfrey icon. Might be a glitch.

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If you're having trouble with the fire giant, always summon dudes dual wielding Eleonora's PB and GS Peeler. Even as a host, do them a favor and always aggro the giant on second phase and they'll lead you to victory. This ash of war is absolutely broken, literally melts fire giant's sponge hp, scoring 8-11k damage even with the crappiest of builds.

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broken af in pvp

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Rivers of blood skill plus mimic tear, no spells except for "giantsflame take thee" for during her 2nd phase when she comes crash to the ground. Just let the Mimic agro her from the start and then go in and keep up the pressure, only letting up to regain stamina and top up HP. Maybe another spell might work better for her second phase crash landing, but giantsflame does good damage to her and if charged will knock her off her feet. Maybe a cheesy way to when, but you do what you gotta' do to beet a boss that cheeses half of her attacks.

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There is a wind up but if you time it right and you catch somebody with this the fight is over.

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Absolute beast against big slow high hp enemies. Hitting a certain end game dragon for 5k each fully charged art. Black flame is weak against low hp opponents though.

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This plus Blackflame Monk Amon are incredibly powerful against Radagon and Elden Beast, I managed to accidentally melt Elden Beast while I was trying to test the beast repellant torch on him, on that subject I had the beast repellant torch equipped and elden beast's grab attack didnt damage me, if anyone else can test that feel free.

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Ok but situational. Actually great at cheesing through NPC invasions. Most of the time They seem to read it as an opening and try to dash right in. Anastasia, bless her heart, does not know what to do. Dungeater was the most inconsistent, he would simply ignore it and hit you anyways.

Otherwise good on mobs and some bosses if you have the right read but sort of high risk high reward.

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Good or?

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You whirl your weapon around repeatedly, creating a whirlwind of black fire that seems to hit for 30-40 damage a hit at minimum stats, and follow up with slamming into the ground for about 350 damage.

Cool for cosplay reasons but most mobs can penetrate the whirlwind and the wind-up for the AOE slam is too long to make it practical in most situations

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does this deal fire damage or some other type of damage?

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Is this improved by the godslayer seal?

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i replaced this ash of war with another one, now how do I equip this one again?

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